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Topic: JayScott Berry Cloaking device for $100 Bill switch
Message: Posted by: drmolarmagic (Dec 19, 2018 09:37AM)
Hi everyone, I just started practicing with the "cloaking device" from JSB, works very well and bill switch is almost a flash reveal
anyone have any experience or opinions on this device.
Bruce
Message: Posted by: drmolarmagic (Dec 19, 2018 10:01AM)
Disregard this post I found all the goods and bads in older posts........
BUT with that said if anyone would like to comment on the bill switch effect specifically with this gimmick I'd like to read stuff.....
Bruce
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (Dec 19, 2018 11:02AM)
Hadn't really thought about using this for a bill switch, could you link to the prior posts on this subject?
Message: Posted by: drmolarmagic (Dec 20, 2018 02:05PM)
I did search for Jay Scott Berry Cloaking device. and a bunch of discussions came up. He does a bill switch with the gimmick called "the lightning switch" its on the video that came with the gimmick, its very nice and clean, I've started working on it to replace my TT.
I'll look for the links but you'll probably find it faster with the search.
Bruce
Message: Posted by: Mary Mowder (Dec 20, 2018 08:22PM)
Is it similar to his Eclipse gimmick?

- Mary Mowder
Message: Posted by: John Long (Dec 22, 2018 09:56PM)
Or is it similar to a Sanada?
Message: Posted by: drmolarmagic (Dec 24, 2018 08:50AM)
It a modified Sanada gimmick.
Message: Posted by: John Long (Dec 24, 2018 08:55PM)
Thanks. Is it better overall, or for only certain uses?
Message: Posted by: drmolarmagic (Dec 31, 2018 09:08AM)
I'd say its better for certain uses.
Its obviously very deceptive for all the effects Jay teaches with it,
but I'd say its very good for soft items like sponge balls, ribbon silks and the paper money.
I've found it not so good with coins and other solid stuff,
its the right tool for the right job concept for me
Bruce
Message: Posted by: John Long (Jan 3, 2019 08:53PM)
Thanks
Message: Posted by: Signet (Jan 8, 2019 05:36PM)
Have you used it for the silk streamer production that he does on his Penguin lecture? I got a streamer after seeing this, but I have yet to try it.
Message: Posted by: ringmaster (Feb 11, 2019 11:42PM)
[quote]On Dec 19, 2018, drmolarmagic wrote:
Hi everyone, I just started practicing with the "cloaking device" from JSB, works very well and bill switch is almost a flash reveal
anyone have any experience or opinions on this device.
Bruce [/quote] try googling this.
Message: Posted by: Jim Stan Magic Man (Feb 25, 2019 10:01PM)
I prefer the cloaking device over the TT. For me it is smoother and at no time is the bill out of sight.
Just my opinion.
Message: Posted by: drmolarmagic (Feb 27, 2019 07:37AM)
I agree, I've spent lots of time using and video taping both and I like the cloaking device better for this effect than the TT
Bruce
Message: Posted by: John Long (Feb 27, 2019 08:10PM)
If you have Great Scott! It's Magic; look at his Bill in Lemon - Scott shows how to use a Sanada gimmick to switch bills
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Jul 5, 2019 02:31AM)
I make a close up Sanada gimmick. I send it shipped in the continental USA for 10 dollars. It is the only CLOSE UP Sanada gimmick.
I use it for sponge work and it creates fear in people often or utter amazement.

I am aware of the typical Sanada. It comes from one source. But the color and texture are kind of obvious . Even on a dvd, I can detect it.
But mine is, with a little movement and not overdoing it, invisible.

Mine does not have extras on it. It is just a Sanada. But I am a pro and use it in all my shows and in close up. I never have had people even have a clue. That would never happen with the regular Sanada. You could do the bill switch with this gimmick too. I am not trying to sell somuch as let you know the weakness in this effect. It is the gimmick. Which is why I improved it.
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (Jul 5, 2019 02:49PM)
This thread lead me to Jay Scott Berry's Penguin lecture. He goes over everything Sanada in that lecture. If one were to use a Sanada gimmick without trimming it, as is, it is very unlikely to be seen. Then again, that depends on how one handles the Sanada gimmick. I would suggest anyone who really wants to unlock the power of the Sanada gimmick buy JSB's lecture. JSB goes over in great detail how to trim and tape a Sanada gimmick, how to create his FS2 gimmick from two Sanada gimmicks, but more importantly, how to handle and use a Sanada gimmick so that it is UNDETECTABLE! JSB has worked the Sanada for all it's worth and his handlings of it are gold. He also teaches his bill switch, which is marvelous. Oh and everything TT as well, his topit, so many routines and bits with every gimmick, etc...

[quote]On Jul 5, 2019, countrymaven wrote:
I make a close up Sanada gimmick. I send it shipped in the continental USA for 10 dollars. It is the only CLOSE UP Sanada gimmick.
I use it for sponge work and it creates fear in people often or utter amazement.

I am aware of the typical Sanada. It comes from one source. But the color and texture are kind of obvious . Even on a dvd, I can detect it.
But mine is, with a little movement and not overdoing it, invisible.

Mine does not have extras on it. It is just a Sanada. But I am a pro and use it in all my shows and in close up. I never have had people even have a clue. That would never happen with the regular Sanada. You could do the bill switch with this gimmick too. I am not trying to sell somuch as let you know the weakness in this effect. It is the gimmick. Which is why I improved it. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Jul 5, 2019 10:27PM)
Yes I had that. I still found the Sanada impractical. I make it from thumb tip type plastic. the standard sanada is messed up. it can't be use in real close up. you have to even be careful on stage. I have had magicians jaws drop when they saw what they had not seen inches from them, my sanada.
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (Jul 6, 2019 06:51AM)
I'm sure your modifications are good and I'd be interested in seeing them. That being said, if a spectator sees a Sanada gimmick a magician is performing with, then the magician is using it improperly. JSB goes over Sanada handling in great detail in his lecture. Handled properly, the Sanada is undetectable. A Sanada that is trimmed and taped like JSB explains is basically undetectable when handled correctly.

[quote]On Jul 5, 2019, countrymaven wrote:
Yes I had that. I still found the Sanada impractical. I make it from thumb tip type plastic. the standard sanada is messed up. it can't be use in real close up. you have to even be careful on stage. I have had magicians jaws drop when they saw what they had not seen inches from them, my sanada. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Jul 6, 2019 09:42PM)
I know that is true on stage. But I do a lot of close up. I have lots of assistants on stage, so my stage is close up. So sometimes necessity is the mother of invention. I got tired of being caught. I am a pro. But I had to do something to make it invisible. But yes if you do stage and have nobody up there you can get away with a regular one.
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (Jul 12, 2019 07:43AM)
First, anyone who tries to perform with a "raw" Sanada gimmick - meaning one that has not been altered from it's out of the package form, is doing it wrong. After watching JSB, it is clear that a Sanada at a minimum needs to be trimmed and fitted. JSB tapes his to reinforce them and make them almost invisible. Other than shade matching skin, it really can't get much more "invisible".

I cannot imagine anyone getting caught, close-up or otherwise, with a taped, trimmed, fitted Sanada gimmick, particularly if they've seen JSB techniques and handling for the Sanada. When handled properly, the Sanada should never be seen. It's either in Vortex, FP, or covered by the prop.
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Jul 15, 2019 11:16PM)
Nothing brings more comments and strong opinion on the MC than something much better than what is on the market, and what they have never seen.
I do not comment on things I have not seen. I leave that to others. hehe.
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Jul 25, 2019 06:08PM)
Quote: "I cannot imagine anyone getting caught, close-up or otherwise, with a taped, trimmed, fitted Sanada gimmick, particularly if they've seen JSB techniques and handling for the Sanada. When handled properly, the Sanada should never be seen. It's either in Vortex, FP, or covered by the prop."

I am just sharing my experience. I am not trying to disagree. The tape is medical tape. It never matches your skin, as the Sanada plastic does not as well. So it is impossible to use this in close up "openly" without getting caught. I love JSB and he is a genius. But I found that my close up Sanada made from TTip plastic, can be shown openly. yes there are cute ways of hiding a Sanada. But you probably will find that an average spectator will wonder and ask why you don't show your hand freely. I do it and never get caught with my Sanada. But if you do it with the one on the JSB videos (showing it openly and briefly) you will get caught very often. I am just saying there is a reason why people use good thumb tips. the material has improved in a huge way since 40 years ago. you can use some of them openly in close up too. I have applied this thinking to the Sanada and it just kills people . they have no explanation, close up or stage.
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (Jul 28, 2019 07:38AM)
This has been an interesting discussion. I seek the truth. My truth is that I can't picture a routine and use for a Sanada gimmick where it is necessary and required for the spectator to look at the gimmick directly while the magician is wearing it. Really that's it. I might be entirely wrong. We would have to get specific here into the exact use of said gimmick and the effect it used in, the handling, routining and what not to really determine if the need exists to camouflage a Sanada in the manner you describe. While that is easily accomplished in person, here is another story.

It's been fun discussing though... :)
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Aug 3, 2019 10:22AM)
Dear Kaliix, I just did a show yesterday. I do a very simple sponge ball routine with my Sanada. I put one in their hand they open their hand and they have one. I put it back. I show them the other one clearly in my hand no sleeves. People can see this in a crowd of 100. I make it disappear instantly and show my hand cleanly. People need to see my hand, that it is gone. If not this will not work. that is why I had to come up with this. The one thing they comment on in my show is this. I wish it was something else. Some great magic. But this. It is like a miracle because they see a big red sponge ball and then it is gone. they can see both hands completely . nothing hidden.

That is why I developed the close up Sanada. due to getting reamed at the post office, I sell two for 15 shipped. I am not trying to promote this. But if you found something and got lucky and improved it, where people thought they had really seen a miracle, you want to share it. It is a pain to make. I like you and agree I thought exactly like you upon seeing Jay S. Berry's Penguin lecture. He is an absolute genius. But I can do miracles he can never do with his sanada. I developed the Close Up Sanada. I use it close up and it just blows minds. But to do my effects I could never do it with a normal Sanada the only other one on the market. as for visibility, it is garbage compared to mine. I threw mine away after developing this. The sanada, if it is made right, as I do, is of the best miracle devices in the world. Ok Kalix, pm me with your address. I will send you one. I respect you for your being a thorough magic scholar, researcher and gentleman.
Message: Posted by: John Long (Aug 3, 2019 10:14PM)
Countrymaven and Kaliix:

I am interested in what each of you are saying and would like to know who to believe/trust (yet since the matter involves various aspects, the answer may not be just one of you).

Soooooo, if I be so bold as to suggest that you two meet/talk privately/share video clips.., and then report back your conclusions (which may still involve differing opinions). Please note, I am not suggesting this to squelch the discussion, but rather to (possibly) reach a conclusion that all in the Café could benefit from.

So again, I AM interested in this matter; I have a Sanada, but never used it.

John
Message: Posted by: Ihop (Nov 15, 2019 05:20PM)
JSB lectured at one of my SAM meetings and I was wowed.
I bought 2 of his revised Sanada gimmicks and his $100 18 " silk. One was "Power of Two" and I forgot the name of the other gimmick.
I’ve been doing the sponge ball routine and vanishing a $100 bill and showing my hands empty and then producing the silk.
WOW!