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Topic: Winners dice - first impressions
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 21, 2018 04:36PM)
By first impressions, I mean I've sat and tinkered with this effect late this afternoon for an hour or two...

its a very plain, ordinary 14mm die. White with black spots in regular arrangement and order. The corners are rounded. These are very common here in England.

You get a little box, download link, a little bag with the die inside, and 2 other things. These things are attractive *ahem*

What you need...
something to roll it onto with the gimmick added to it in a sensible manner. They suggest a mat. You cannot do this on any table.

Can you roll it without a cup/shot glass/similar object?
Right now, I'm saying you can. I've been rolling it this afternoon and when you work out the force of the roll needed for it to look natural, I'm saying (with the caveat above) - that it looks ok to me. It looks even better if you add in one or two other non-gimmicked die too (but that depends on your own routine).

So the compromises
They are as follows. Whatever the die is being rolled onto, has to be gimmicked up with one of the things supplied. Alternatives are around, you could wear a certain gimmick and shake the die in a shot glass. You could buy any one of the dice trays out there and adapt it. Lots of options.I had a quick look on amazon and saw these crazy things for gaming. https://www.amazon.co.uk/SmartDealsPro-Random-Color-Professional-Roller/dp/B00SFINBI2/ref=sr_1_45?s=kids&ie=UTF8&qid=1545429765&sr=1-45&keywords=dice+shaker

Regardless, as per the demo, THEY can shake the die in a cup/glass/whatever and its fine. My actions are for them to drop the die into a stubby shot glass, put the hand on top, shakey-shakey-shakey, then turn over the glass as its placed down on the mat, trapping the die inside. This gives a little cover and also feels very fair.

What the download doesn't tell you is to watch for the bigger gimmick that comes with this, and to test out polarity as that'll affect what you f&rce. The set up for that is around 5 seconds. They say 3 in the vid, 5 in reality if you factor in finding the gimmick and then doing what is needed. If you don't test the polarity, you run the risk of it resetting to a different f*rce number. Usually the opposite number. I suggest glueing or taping the right polarity side up gimmick to a business card to keep in your pocket so you are always ready and set.

What I've done
i've gone and bought a mixed bag of dice of the same size, some cork coasters and cork adhesive patches so I can make a gimmick...i've spent about 8 pounds in total for 12 dice and the rest of the things.

i'm liking it so far, will keep it and use it 8/10
Message: Posted by: chuds (Dec 21, 2018 05:02PM)
Thanks for a great honest review, it certainly sounds like it is usable.

Cheers
Message: Posted by: aligator (Dec 21, 2018 05:05PM)
Thanks for the review but it hasn't swayed me. I don't think this is the type of gimmick I would use. I prefer something more cerebral like Mental Die-mensional and I don't know any of the people concerned with either effect. Good comprehensice review though that should help many in making decisions.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 21, 2018 07:30PM)
Very good review and that too coming from a person who physically owns the item and has played with it.

[b]All those who are interested in this prop may please ignore my initial thoughts at the Café's Latest-n-Greatest section. Thank you and sorry for wasting your time reading my thoughts on the prop[/b].

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: TheDirectionalist (Dec 21, 2018 07:36PM)
[quote]On Dec 21, 2018, IAIN wrote:
By first impressions, I mean I've sat and tinkered with this effect late this afternoon for an hour or two...

its a very plain, ordinary 14mm die. White with black spots in regular arrangement and order. The corners are rounded. These are very common here in England.

You get a little box, download link, a little bag with the die inside, and 2 other things. These things are attractive *ahem*

What you need...
something to roll it onto with the gimmick added to it in a sensible manner. They suggest a mat. You cannot do this on any table.

Can you roll it without a cup/shot glass/similar object?
Right now, I'm saying you can. I've been rolling it this afternoon and when you work out the force of the roll needed for it to look natural, I'm saying (with the caveat above) - that it looks ok to me. It looks even better if you add in one or two other non-gimmicked die too (but that depends on your own routine).

So the compromises
They are as follows. Whatever the die is being rolled onto, has to be gimmicked up with one of the things supplied. Alternatives are around, you could wear a certain gimmick and shake the die in a shot glass. You could buy any one of the dice trays out there and adapt it. Lots of options.I had a quick look on amazon and saw these crazy things for gaming. https://www.amazon.co.uk/SmartDealsPro-Random-Color-Professional-Roller/dp/B00SFINBI2/ref=sr_1_45?s=kids&ie=UTF8&qid=1545429765&sr=1-45&keywords=dice+shaker

Regardless, as per the demo, THEY can shake the die in a cup/glass/whatever and its fine. My actions are for them to drop the die into a stubby shot glass, put the hand on top, shakey-shakey-shakey, then turn over the glass as its placed down on the mat, trapping the die inside. This gives a little cover and also feels very fair.

What the download doesn't tell you is to watch for the bigger gimmick that comes with this, and to test out polarity as that'll affect what you f&rce. The set up for that is around 5 seconds. They say 3 in the vid, 5 in reality if you factor in finding the gimmick and then doing what is needed. If you don't test the polarity, you run the risk of it resetting to a different f*rce number. Usually the opposite number. I suggest glueing or taping the right polarity side up gimmick to a business card to keep in your pocket so you are always ready and set.

What I've done
i've gone and bought a mixed bag of dice of the same size, some cork coasters and cork adhesive patches so I can make a gimmick...i've spent about 8 pounds in total for 12 dice and the rest of the things.

i'm liking it so far, will keep it and use it 8/10 [/quote]
As far as reliability for the actual outcome.. Does it seem reasonably at 100%?
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 21, 2018 08:11PM)
Wow a full quote...

I feel like those who have not had 100% accuracy, have missed the polarity issue... For me it's been 100%
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Dec 21, 2018 08:53PM)
You can use a card box for one of the gimmicks and the m****t in the mat. Works great.

Best

Steve
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Dec 23, 2018 02:22AM)
On Dec 19, 2018, IAIN wrote:
It's not magnetic. I'm sure soon enough one of Ustaad's friends will have one for him to play around with...

:sun:
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 23, 2018 03:31AM)
Yeah I got it wrong... But at least I bought it and put my money where my mouth is...

We can talk about how often you get it wrong if you like, Pike..
Message: Posted by: Psyfl (Dec 28, 2018 06:04PM)
Thanks very much for the review. This would fit very well with a few routines I do. I've used dice in a few routines before and have always used them in a receptacle anyway because it makes things easier.
Message: Posted by: aligator (Dec 29, 2018 03:45PM)
So they can't roll off the table on to the floor....
Message: Posted by: loserdlj (Feb 21, 2019 10:33PM)
Thanks for the review