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Topic: Correcting Mistakes and Fumbles for Coins
Message: Posted by: cloneman (May 10, 2004 12:41PM)
This may have been addressed elsewhere, but I can’t find it, so here goes: what are some favorite covers for when you make a mistake (flash a coin, make them talk, a ] slips off, etc.)

Obviously, part of the solution is keep practicing so it won’t happen again. But let’s face it, sometimes sh*t happens. I know one solution is to try to improve your way out of the trick, and in that sense one answer is “it depends on the trick.” So keeping those two obvious and important answers (“keep practicing” and “improvise”) aside for a minute, are there any fallbacks for coins that you guys use routinely when something goes “Ooops?”
Message: Posted by: Rob Johnston (May 10, 2004 01:01PM)
It, of course, depends which error it is, but if it is small, just ignore it and finish off with something ASTOUNDING and they will most likely forget that the coins talked, or maybe they didn't even notice.

I think we give spectators more credit than they really deserve at times.
Message: Posted by: Mike Wild (May 10, 2004 01:10PM)
I like the method in Bobo's MCM for vanishing a dropped coin. I've used it a few times, and it really does tend to give the appearance that you intended the fumble from the beginning.

Other than that, I try to talk or perform my way through, if that's not happening I've been known to do the following:

Dropped coin - "So that's where it was, I've been looking for that one!"

Flashed coin (totally busted) - "... It's not mine. I'm just holding it for a friend..."

Or, if busted but recoverable, I switch it to back palm real fast while doing something with the other hand, flash the empty hand a second later, give the spectator an irritated glance, say nothing, and continue.

Best,

Mike
Message: Posted by: cloneman (May 10, 2004 01:16PM)
I was performing a "coins through table" routine the other day with a buttercoin and the gaff broke, leaving me with a shattered coin on the table top. I said "I guess I broke the bank" did a false transfer and switched the pieces out for one of the l*pped coins. I followed up with a stronger trick (which worked) but felt I lost their attention a bit. I guess a really strong follow up is a requirement.
Message: Posted by: phread (May 10, 2004 05:48PM)
A broken butter coin...I'm glad I did not buy one of those ;)
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (May 10, 2004 05:51PM)
I don't know that there any good 'one size fits all' covers for problems.

What might help is to try routines until everything goes wrong and you get a feel for the problems and what people like to respond to. This may take a while, but you will get insight and practice.
Message: Posted by: mystre71 (May 10, 2004 07:33PM)
At the Pa convention the other day, David Roth passed along some advice that he said Dai Vernon passed on to him. He said to David (After David had dropped a coin and it rolled across the room) He said "David, Do you know why coins roll so far away when you drop them?...
Because they don't like to be dropped." :)

Thought this might be a good place to DROP this in... :lol:

Best
Joe
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (May 10, 2004 07:50PM)
Joe, are you suggesting you ask the audience to pick up the coin and tell it that you are sorry for dropping it?
Message: Posted by: mystre71 (May 10, 2004 08:22PM)
No, not at all,
Just sharing a story that David shared with us when someone dropped a coin at his lecture.



Joe
Message: Posted by: GaMBiT_101 (May 11, 2004 03:26AM)
I agree with wildstone, about the Bobo cover for a dropped coin, if it's the one that goes under the shoe.
Message: Posted by: Mike Wild (May 11, 2004 05:21AM)
It is the one that goes under the shoe :) If memory serves me there were one or two other methods described in MCM for recovering from a drop or general fumble, but the shoe method is the one I use / was referring to.

Getting the coin back can be a challenge, but if you "accidentally" drop something else just before you walk away, you're all set. It also makes for some funny dialogue pertaining to having an off day, or my horoscope said I'd be having problems today... etc.

Best,

Mike
Message: Posted by: Rob Elliott (May 11, 2004 09:53AM)
One way to recover the coin from under your shoe would be to "produce" the coin (a duplicate) from your pocket, and do a little flurry with it. Finish the flurry with a complete vanish wherein the coin appears to go inside you -- your mouth, ear, etc. The coin travels through your body and appears -- Voila! -- under your foot. At that point, the specs will have long forgotten the dropped coin and you've eliminated the awkward recovery.
Message: Posted by: Larry Davidson (May 11, 2004 11:17AM)
If there's something sticky on the bottom of your shoe, you can simply walk away and retrieve the coin when you're out of everyone's view.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (May 11, 2004 11:39AM)
David Stone suggested something AMAZING which makes a good delayed follow-up to use the cuffed coin.
Message: Posted by: James Harrison (May 11, 2004 12:53PM)
Jon, is this the thing he shows on his 4 F's dvd? I don't want to ruin the effect if I'm wrong.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (May 11, 2004 12:59PM)
Yup, some times you drop them, and some times they fly back up.
Message: Posted by: James Harrison (May 11, 2004 01:02PM)
That made me take a double take when I watched that.


Such a clever idea, David Stone is a smart man.
Message: Posted by: tpdmagic (May 11, 2004 02:12PM)
I feel the best out is practicing the ugly....LOL If we practice dropping the coin, flashing the coin, we can figure out how to cover it up. I have found that practicing messing up makes me more prepared when it does happen in front of a audience. Just something that works for me. that's part of the creative process with our art.IMHO

tpdmagic
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (May 11, 2004 02:20PM)
If it's a non-gaffed coin... makes a wonderful opportunity for them to pick up the coin for you, and examine it. Just ask them if it got dented... they will look. And you can tell them it's real silver... and they will look some more, and give it back to seem more magic. The MOST important thing is usually to stay calm and go with the moment. I posted some lines about gaffs elsewhere. One for a ], could claim you have magical termites that have been eating your coins.
Message: Posted by: mystre71 (May 11, 2004 04:29PM)
I have a quick routine worked out for the dropped coin under shoe. If anyone is interested PM me and I'll share.


Best
Joe
Message: Posted by: Paul Chosse (May 11, 2004 11:00PM)
There is a recovery in Bobo that is excellent - you toss the coin from the retrieving hand to the other hand behind your leg as you pick it up, then apparently vanish it. In fact, this is so good that I have used, it dropping the coin on purpose, as a vanish!

Best, PSC
Message: Posted by: Chris "linkster" Watson (May 13, 2004 03:37AM)
Depending on the situation you could use humor "Doh...Sack the Juggler" or "I learned this trick off Isacc Newton". Under the shoe vanish is good or you could use the MP and say have you seen a coin fall up as well. If no one saw where the coin dropped from I guess you could say that you just knocked one of your "hanging coins" off it's perch and proceed into the hanging coins routine.

If anyone has the ability to make themselves disappear in a puff of smoke in this situation please feel free to PM me the secret...they may not remember my coin magic...however!!!
Message: Posted by: charles schneider (Jul 8, 2004 01:58PM)
I find this topic fascinating. The ingenious methods and explanations magicians use to get out of a coin-dropping pickle are a tribute to the inventiveness of the "trick" brain!

BOBO (on Coin Clasics Vol. 1) drops a coin and says, as if it were perfectly natural, "First coin I dropped all day."

His book, of course, has many classic solutions - as do the posts above. Can anyone think of other lines or ways to turn this unfortunate moment into as fortuitous chance for a spontaneous miracle?

Somewhere I've heard the old chestnut, "If that floor weren't there the coin would STILL be falling."

Reading through Eddie Joseph's excellent COIN AND MONEY MAGIC (Abbots - 1942) I stumbled (pun intended) across "The Heel Vanish," (pg. 20) which might also serve as a way out of the dropped coin dilemma. It also is a way to produce a coin. Seeing as it is a brilliant solution, I am quoting the method from the book - with minor attempt to encode the key word.

"Now, if you were to place a coin on the floor and stand on it and then move foot to show a "disappearance" even a child will suspect that you caused the coin to adhere to your sole by wax or otherwise.

On the other hand, if you were able to place a coin on the floor and stand on it and then be ABLE to raise your sole outward and show that the coin is not sticking to it, then, of course, it would be a fit trick for the most mature person.

.........I thought it would be a good thing to stand on a coin and cause it to vanish. The onlookers will naturally suspect the "how" and then I could use the opportunity in creating a "sucker" atmosphere till someone bit and then turn the table on them.

This vanish was the result. Take your shoes to a cobbler and tell him to cut a s--t through your heel. The right place for the s--t would be a little below the point where the heel meets the sole. The s--t should be of sufficient size to admit a small coin comfortably.

All you have to do is pretend to place the coin under the foot but really push it into the s--t in the heel. Press foot on floor to create impression that you are causing the coin to adhere to your sole. When wanting to reveal the vanish merely move foot aside in a cautious manner so that they may think you are avoiding them from getting a sight of the sole.

Continue this for a while, when you will certainly be told what you are about.

Then you remark, "Oh! I know what you are thinking of." Pick foot staight up so that they will all be able to see "how wrong they were."
Message: Posted by: Larry Barnowsky (Jul 9, 2004 11:45AM)
"Now if I could only control gravity I'd be perfect" I've used this line at times. I think there are similar lines in some of the old coin books. The coin vanish under the foot is also a great way of capitalizing on a mistake.
Message: Posted by: cloneman (Jul 9, 2004 11:52AM)
You could paraphrase from Steven Wright (sp?): "Does that prove that gravity exists... or does the Earth just suck?"