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Topic: Looking For Color Vision Variations
Message: Posted by: warren (Feb 2, 2019 11:47AM)
I'm interested in finding a nice version of Color Vision I'm sure there are a number of different things that could go inside the box from Rubiks cubes to die and would also imagine that you can get some that use a nice classy wooden box rather than a cheap plastic one.

I would like to hear what variations are there that are worth me searching for ?
Message: Posted by: Tom Cutts (Feb 2, 2019 07:09PM)
It's not about the prop. Unless you are just doing a magic trick, I guess.
Message: Posted by: George Hunter (Feb 2, 2019 07:23PM)
From my modest experience, you'd want a version that permits two advantages:

1. You'd want to be able to move the top behind your back with one hand, easily.

2. The colors need to contrast enough and be bright enough that you can discern which color is on top in your peripheral vision, not having to look AT it at all.

The one that Mikame used to make is great on the first and good on the second. Viking's version may meet those criteria, but they are currently not in stock. You night ask George when he expects to stock them again.

George
Message: Posted by: jimgerrish (Feb 2, 2019 09:39PM)
Color Vision without the box and instantly repeatable: drop the cube into a cup (like a die cup for shaking). Spectator shakes up the cube. You name the color on top, the spectator removes top to show you are correct. Covers top, he shakes again, again you know the color, and perhaps one more time before it gets boring.

Color Vision with 10 color cards and an envelope. Spectator shuffles cards and puts them in an opaque envelope. You instantly know the order of all 10 colors as he removes them from the envelope one by one. You could do it with playing cards, but then it would not be Color Vision; just another card trick.
Message: Posted by: Philemon Vanderbeck (Feb 3, 2019 08:55AM)
One of my personal favorites is "Color Vision Deluxe," which ends with a prediction of the chosen color that appears as a sticker inside the lid.
Message: Posted by: warren (Feb 3, 2019 01:12PM)
[quote]On Feb 2, 2019, Tom Cutts wrote:
It's not about the prop. Unless you are just doing a magic trick, I guess. [/quote]

Your post has confused me when you say "its not about the prop" personally I like to use nice products when working and to use the basic plastic version of color vision to me just screams magic prop hence me liking the idea of something wooden etc as it looks nice and doesn't look like a cheap trick from a child's magic set.

[quote]On Feb 2, 2019, jimgerrish wrote:
Color Vision without the box and instantly repeatable: drop the cube into a cup (like a die cup for shaking). Spectator shakes up the cube. You name the color on top, the spectator removes top to show you are correct. Covers top, he shakes again, again you know the color, and perhaps one more time before it gets boring.

Color Vision with 10 color cards and an envelope. Spectator shuffles cards and puts them in an opaque envelope. You instantly know the order of all 10 colors as he removes them from the envelope one by one. You could do it with playing cards, but then it would not be Color Vision; just another card trick. [/quote]

Interesting especially the first one you mentioned but you haven't pointed me in the direction to find out how to do either of the methods and obviously I'm not interested in using electronics etc.

George Hunter all valid and interesting points and Philemon Vanderbeck tahnks for your suggestion.
Message: Posted by: Tom Cutts (Feb 3, 2019 05:51PM)
[quote]On Feb 3, 2019, warren wrote:
[quote]On Feb 2, 2019, Tom Cutts wrote:
It's not about the prop. Unless you are just doing a magic trick, I guess. [/quote]

Your post has confused me when you say "its not about the prop" personally I like to use nice products when working and to use the basic plastic version of color vision to me just screams magic prop hence me liking the idea of something wooden etc as it looks nice and doesn't look like a cheap trick from a child's magic set.
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What in the world does a fancy wooden box with a block inside with something on it (colors, symbols, whatever) look like to a layperson? Probably some awkward, fancy, magic box. So that vs saying, “I got this from my nephew’s toys and thought it would make for an interesting experiment...” which seems more “common everyday”?
Message: Posted by: jimgerrish (Feb 3, 2019 06:04PM)
You have inspired me to write a new e-Book for The Magic Nook that I will name "Color Visionary" which will list all the variations I know or can invent for performing this old 1930 trick (or variations thereof) from New York mentalist-dealer Martin Sunshine. It will appear soon in The Wizards' Journal #38.
Message: Posted by: John C (Feb 3, 2019 07:09PM)
[quote]On Feb 3, 2019, Tom Cutts wrote:
[quote]On Feb 3, 2019, warren wrote:
[quote]On Feb 2, 2019, Tom Cutts wrote:
It's not about the prop. Unless you are just doing a magic trick, I guess. [/quote]

Your post has confused me when you say "its not about the prop" personally I like to use nice products when working and to use the basic plastic version of color vision to me just screams magic prop hence me liking the idea of something wooden etc as it looks nice and doesn't look like a cheap trick from a child's magic set.
[/quote]
What in the world does a fancy wooden box with a block inside with something on it (colors, symbols, whatever) look like to a layperson? Probably some awkward, fancy, magic box. So that vs saying, “I got this from my nephew’s toys and thought it would make for an interesting experiment...” which seems more “common everyday”? [/quote]


Tru Dat.
Message: Posted by: warren (Feb 4, 2019 01:59AM)
[quote]On Feb 3, 2019, Tom Cutts wrote:
[quote]On Feb 3, 2019, warren wrote:
[quote]On Feb 2, 2019, Tom Cutts wrote:
It's not about the prop. Unless you are just doing a magic trick, I guess. [/quote]

Your post has confused me when you say "its not about the prop" personally I like to use nice products when working and to use the basic plastic version of color vision to me just screams magic prop hence me liking the idea of something wooden etc as it looks nice and doesn't look like a cheap trick from a child's magic set.
[/quote]
What in the world does a fancy wooden box with a block inside with something on it (colors, symbols, whatever) look like to a layperson? Probably some awkward, fancy, magic box. So that vs saying, “I got this from my nephew’s toys and thought it would make for an interesting experiment...” which seems more “common everyday”? [/quote]

It would be just as simple for me to use patter as to why I have a wooden box ie "look what I picked up in this old antique shop " either way I asked a simple question and some how you have managed to turn it it to a silly debate so lets just agree to disagree and get back to the topic.... Thank you
Message: Posted by: Philemon Vanderbeck (Feb 4, 2019 07:14AM)
Sadly, this is very typical (not just here, but in any forum).

You ask a question, and instead of getting answers, you get EVERYTHING but the answers you are seeking.
Message: Posted by: warren (Feb 4, 2019 07:32AM)
[quote]On Feb 4, 2019, Philemon Vanderbeck wrote:
Sadly, this is very typical (not just here, but in any forum).

You ask a question, and instead of getting answers, you get EVERYTHING but the answers you are seeking. [/quote]

Agreed but every now and then there are some genuine people out there such as yourself that do make it worth while asking questions anyway hopefully things can get back on track now.
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Feb 4, 2019 09:12AM)
Would recommend checking out Ed Marlo's "Arcade Dreams" book... he has some great handling tips for this effect.

Owen Magic made a very cool version as well:

http://www.owenmagic.com/Close_Up/close_up.html

John
Message: Posted by: jimgerrish (Feb 4, 2019 09:58AM)
By divining the number of a polyhedron die (up to 12) and matching the number to a color, you can perform "Color Vision by Numbers". Lots more fun in the "Color Visionary" field! Use the box or lose the box, it's all the same; I know what you're thinking!
Message: Posted by: rgnprof (Feb 4, 2019 05:40PM)
Check out Marc Charisse's cubes at Gemini Artifacts...I have his Alchemist Cube and would like to purchase the Poe one...I think they make for a great story telling effect. For an idea, I reference you to Jim Kleefeld's booklet Ghost Storytelling and the routine Aunt Cora's Block. His exact routine is specific to Marc's A Peculiar Block, but the story can be adapted to really fit any of the blocks that Gemini sells.

ryan
Message: Posted by: warren (Feb 7, 2019 04:45PM)
Thanks for the suggestions.
Message: Posted by: jimgerrish (Feb 7, 2019 06:16PM)
I found a dodecahedron puzzle based on the Rubik's cube, that can combine elements from my Cubey-Doobey routine ( https://www.magicnook.com/WizJ37/37-07CubeyDoobey.htm ) to solve the puzzle, with Color Visionary's second sight methods. The six extra colors are easy to spray paint on, but I have re-arranged them all so I can look at one side and know the opposite side's color, which comes in handy and helps my aging memory.
Message: Posted by: jimgerrish (Feb 17, 2019 05:51PM)
[quote]On Feb 3, 2019, warren wrote:

[quote]On Feb 2, 2019, jimgerrish wrote:
Color Vision without the box and instantly repeatable: drop the cube into a cup (like a die cup for shaking). Spectator shakes up the cube. You name the color on top, the spectator removes top to show you are correct. Covers top, he shakes again, again you know the color, and perhaps one more time before it gets boring.

Color Vision with 10 color cards and an envelope. Spectator shuffles cards and puts them in an opaque envelope. You instantly know the order of all 10 colors as he removes them from the envelope one by one. You could do it with playing cards, but then it would not be Color Vision; just another card trick. [/quote]

Interesting especially the first one you mentioned but you haven't pointed me in the direction to find out how to do either of the methods and obviously I'm not interested in using electronics etc.
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No electronics are used, and the methods used for my above mentioned tricks and more are now all on-line in The Wizards' Journal #38 - "Color Visionary" at The Magic Nook. Now I'm going back to bed for a long winter's nap. Wake me if you need anything else.