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Topic: Looking for an opener packet trick.
Message: Posted by: Brad Ballew (Feb 13, 2019 08:21AM)
I don't perform professionally but I still like to have a set of tricks planned when I perform for friends and family. Also, I'm not great at sleights and have been gathering my favorite sleight free card tricks that I can add to my arsenal.

My plan is to have 3 killer tricks consisting of an opener, middle, and closer. If people are into it, then I have a list of impromptu tricks that I can add in the middle to extend it.

Right now I have a middle and a closer. My middle is a modified version of "The Lone Stranger" which is a gilbreath trick. It's great, but has too much procedure for a good opener. However, it requires a full deck set up, ( just alternating red and black cards ) so it does need to happen early on. I don't want to do a deck switch since my closer is a two deck trick that uses a gaffed deck that I bring in at the end. I don't have the pocket room for 3 decks.

So I was thinking that maybe a small packet trick for an opener might be a good idea. I own a couple of packet tricks including twisted sisters, and another that involves the spectator predicting which King is face up among a pack of the four Kings. However, I'd like to do some more research.

If possible I'd love to find a really strong packet trick that didn't use additional gaff cards but also wouldn't eat out of my stacked deck too much. I'm ok if I had to rearrange a few cards in the deck before going into Lone Stranger. I'm also not against a gaffed packet trick if it's a really strong effect.

Any book, DVD, ebook suggestions?
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (Feb 13, 2019 10:00AM)
Perhaps [url=http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/2951]Poker Test 2.0 [/url] would fit the bill. The cards are gaffed but can easily be switched out as you transition into your full deck routine. I use a different story when I use it as my opener. Three rapid visual changes quickly establish your magic cred.
Message: Posted by: mlippo (Feb 13, 2019 10:02AM)
I hate to say it, cos I don't want to give it away (joking of course), but my perfect opener is Odd Quad. Go to the late Daryl's website and you'll find a perfomance of it.

It's short, visual, colourful, minor spectator involvement and has an astounding finish!
What more?
I' ve done it so many times and never fails to amaze and above all, makes your audience understand what they are about to see...

Take a look and let me know
Mark
Message: Posted by: Brad Ballew (Feb 13, 2019 11:43AM)
[quote]On Feb 13, 2019, Kaliix wrote:
Perhaps [url=http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/2951]Poker Test 2.0 [/url] would fit the bill. The cards are gaffed but can easily be switched out as you transition into your full deck routine. I use a different story when I use it as my opener. Three rapid visual changes quickly establish your magic cred. [/quote]

I think this one is perfect because it happens to line up perfectly with the patter I use with my variation of Lone Stranger. I have sort of a transmutation angle that goes into the history of card cheats trying to take the idea of metal transmutation (lead into gold) and apply it to cards. So being able to change the cards in the deck to whatever they needed them to be. Poker Test 2.0 can be the micro version and then I can ditch the cards and pull out the full deck to show the macro version of this transmutation skill and how it can be done to cards that are in the spectator's control the whole time.

Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Brad Ballew (Feb 13, 2019 11:46AM)
[quote]On Feb 13, 2019, mlippo wrote:
I hate to say it, cos I don't want to give it away (joking of course), but my perfect opener is Odd Quad. Go to the late Daryl's website and you'll find a perfomance of it.

It's short, visual, colourful, minor spectator involvement and has an astounding finish!
What more?
I' ve done it so many times and never fails to amaze and above all, makes your audience understand what they are about to see...

Take a look and let me know
Mark [/quote]

I love that! I watched a performance video and what a great routine! I see what he's doing but I can also see how it would fly over a layman's head. Very clever. I have a few different types of cards laying around. I'll have to give it a try.

Thanks!
Message: Posted by: warren (Feb 13, 2019 02:13PM)
I think either Eye Exam by Danny Archer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QaklSbfOFk or Paul Gordon's Killer OMG https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0L3CYPrS3Q both make great packet trick openers.
Message: Posted by: stickmondoo (Feb 14, 2019 05:02PM)
Woody has a packet trick in his Book in English that he specifically uses as an opener. It’s a good routine.
Message: Posted by: NicholasD (Feb 14, 2019 06:44PM)
I often open with Jumping Gemini. Always gets a great reaction.
Message: Posted by: Rocky (Feb 15, 2019 11:20PM)
I used to get GREAT reactions to Twisted Sisters. I've since just stuck with B'Wave due to the fact it's 4 less cards to be accountable for and the reaction is just as good if not better!
Message: Posted by: IncantoMagic (Feb 16, 2019 02:44AM)
Not slight free, but very simple, you could start with Twisting the Aces, or NFW.
Message: Posted by: mlippo (Feb 16, 2019 04:06AM)
[quote]On Feb 13, 2019, Brad Ballew wrote:

I love that! I watched a performance video and what a great routine! I see what he's doing but I can also see how it would fly over a layman's head. Very clever. I have a few different types of cards laying around. I'll have to give it a try.

Thanks! [/quote]

Well, actually I went to his site myself and that is not the original video I'd see of him perfoming Odd Quad! He must've changed it at a certain point. Originally it was a live perfomance. Here it is. Enjoy as I did. He was one of the greats, even when performing simple stuff as this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgcCMvdFJUE



Mark
Message: Posted by: baronborrelli (Feb 16, 2019 12:55PM)
May I suggest the classic gamble amble? It is great story and the slight is simple. Yes people know you have more than four cards, but the sheer number you reveal, even the final Joker, seems beyond belief
Message: Posted by: Dollarbill (Feb 16, 2019 07:21PM)
Not a packet trick but how about Doc Easons "Impossible Opener". Peoples jaws drop.
Message: Posted by: Sixten (Feb 17, 2019 04:48PM)
How 'bout this masterpiece? Mr. Kuniyasu Fujiwara: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-GlPQp3_oU
Message: Posted by: fonda57 (Feb 25, 2019 01:21PM)
I 2nd Eye Exam. Lots of magic happening.
Message: Posted by: mlippo (Feb 25, 2019 02:16PM)
[quote]On Feb 17, 2019, Sixten wrote:
How 'bout this masterpiece? Mr. Kuniyasu Fujiwara: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-GlPQp3_oU [/quote]

Sorry, but I didn't like it at all…
Too much dealing, too much turning packets over, too much of everything for such a simple and direct effect.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Wravyn (Feb 25, 2019 04:37PM)
What is your character/persona?
For me, B'Wave is what works for me. I don't do a lot of sleight/eye candy magic. If I did, I would use the trick that was shared of Daryl, perhaps NFW leading into Dr Daily Last, followed by tricks that fit that aspect.
By understanding what type of magician you aspire to be, will help figuring out the opening packet trick.
There have been some great suggestions.
Message: Posted by: mlippo (Feb 26, 2019 06:02AM)
[quote]On Feb 25, 2019, fonda57 wrote:
I 2nd Eye Exam. Lots of magic happening. [/quote]

Good suggestion and great trick, although I gotta admit having it and ending up selling it. I was never able to get the reactions I expected from it and so I went back to the version where, after showing blue backed cards and then red backed cards, you end up with four completely different bright colours on the backs.

Mark
Message: Posted by: ejohn (Feb 26, 2019 06:41AM)
Trost’s TRICK-KARDS is another great twisting effect with multiple changes.
Message: Posted by: ejohn (Feb 26, 2019 11:20AM)
One could combine Mark’s back color changes with the additional face change of TRICK-KARDS.
Message: Posted by: eboetcker (Mar 2, 2019 05:09PM)
[quote]On Feb 13, 2019, Kaliix wrote:
Perhaps [url=http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/2951]Poker Test 2.0 [/url] would fit the bill. The cards are gaffed but can easily be switched out as you transition into your full deck routine. I use a different story when I use it as my opener. Three rapid visual changes quickly establish your magic cred. [/quote]

YEAHHHHHH!

This one.
Message: Posted by: magikmax (Mar 7, 2019 10:07AM)
I don't have a specific packet trick suggestion for you, however your stacked deck comment caught my eye as I've just be browsing through Giobbi's Card College Light. The very first trick in the first routine, "T.N.T.", features the same set up (alternating red & black cards) it's a lovely little self working routine that leaves you set up perfectly for an OOTW effect. Might be worth a look if you fancy changing up the trick for variety while using the same setup.
Message: Posted by: Denis Bastible (Mar 7, 2019 06:49PM)
NFW with show of four Jokers. Killer. I think BWave should be closer as it should be premised as a prediction and not magic.
Message: Posted by: magicwiia (Mar 16, 2019 01:02AM)
[quote]On Feb 25, 2019, mlippo wrote:
[quote]On Feb 17, 2019, Sixten wrote:
How 'bout this masterpiece? Mr. Kuniyasu Fujiwara: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-GlPQp3_oU [/quote]

Sorry, but I didn't like it at all…
Too much dealing, too much turning packets over, too much of everything for such a simple and direct effect.

Mark [/quote]

I agree. Too much so I starting losing interest in the routine as I watched it.
Message: Posted by: baronborrelli (Mar 22, 2019 10:34AM)
I always carry Poker test 2.0 as well, and it is a stunner. You do have to do some minor maintenance, but that is explained. I also use more of my palm in the spreading of the cards, which reduces the need to watch angles.
Message: Posted by: scottvraneshfallin (Apr 9, 2019 03:13PM)
Perhaps a brief Ace production followed by "Twisting the Aces" would be nice.
Message: Posted by: bdungey (Apr 11, 2019 04:19PM)
This might be a little meta for the thread but I'm interested to know regardless - when you're developing a routine, what goes into your consideration for an 'opener' to begin with?
Message: Posted by: baronborrelli (Apr 12, 2019 02:22PM)
My thoughts on openers is that they need to be easy to follow, not a lot of talking and not too long. I would not choose a trick that depends on a little build up. A sucker effect can be decent as well, since the audience may not trust you yet. Also, not untying that requires audience participation/volunteer right away.

For children I always opened with thumbtip silk ending with mouth coil.

for older audience either or amzecups or cut and restored rope.
Message: Posted by: sandromagic (May 1, 2019 02:58PM)
You can try Ambitious classic. its fun.
Message: Posted by: OldZombie (Jun 23, 2019 03:10AM)
I like Rick Lax's handling of Dan Harlen's 'Vortex', quick, visual and lets them instantly know you are a magician.
Message: Posted by: DrIlluminatus (Jun 24, 2019 01:16AM)
Skinner monte