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Topic: New book from Steve Forte
Message: Posted by: ImpromptuBoy (Feb 19, 2019 08:57PM)
Hey all,

Has anyone seen the Sal Piacente Penguin Lecture? Sal mentioned that Steve will be releasing a book and apparently his TRS system will be revealed in there (the system used in Sal's 'rain man' effect). Does anyone have more information on when Steve is planning to release this and approximate price?
Thanks!
Message: Posted by: tommy (Feb 19, 2019 10:26PM)
We have been hearing that he is about to release a new book for years and one day I guess he will.
Message: Posted by: ImpromptuBoy (Feb 19, 2019 11:55PM)
[quote]On Feb 19, 2019, tommy wrote:
We have been hearing that he is about to release a new book for years and one day I guess he will. [/quote]

LOL
Message: Posted by: Bobbycash (Feb 20, 2019 02:50AM)
Last update I heard was that photos were being taken.
Message: Posted by: byronblaq1 (Feb 20, 2019 04:06AM)
I’ve heard it’s about 6 months off. This was about two weeks ago.
Message: Posted by: jjsanvert (Feb 20, 2019 06:45AM)
Steve's book is over 1000 pages and on its way.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Bones (Feb 20, 2019 09:12AM)
Forte's books are excellent regardless of their specific subject matter.

As much as I enjoy reading and re-reading his Casino and Poker books, it's actually his "Read the Dealer" that's had the most impact on changing how I thought about cheating with playing cards.
This obviously goes back to a different Blackjack era, but it was with "Read the Dealer"' that I first felt I was reading actual inside information ... I still pull it out a re-read it regularly enough to be repeatedly impressed with what Forte had put to paper, much of it for the very first time.

Forte has, to date, seemed to have some of his "tricks" brought to light by others, Piacante and Malone among them. Those effects are routinely excellent, so this new book will no doubt be quite impressive regardless of what it contains.
I don't purchase "magic" books any longer, and never did purchase "memory" books, but a new Forte book would have to be an exception to that rule due to the broad depth of knowledge shown over the years by the author.
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Feb 20, 2019 10:38AM)
[quote]On Feb 20, 2019, jjsanvert wrote:
Steve's book is over 1000 pages and on its way. [/quote]

WOW, 1,000 pages. It's not a novel, is it?

Well, whatever it is I'm sure it will be excellent and a worthwhile purchase.
Message: Posted by: ImpromptuBoy (Feb 20, 2019 12:21PM)
Thanks for the info everybody! 1000 pages?! That'll keep me busy for a while!
Message: Posted by: jjsanvert (Feb 20, 2019 04:16PM)
And more than 1400 pictures. I am sure Jason can give much more details.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Feb 21, 2019 12:22PM)
My totally uneducated guess is that the book will have considerably fewer than 1000 pages in its finished form. I don't think the economics of book publishing will allow it.
Message: Posted by: popcalinda (Feb 22, 2019 03:03PM)
It should be two books set project
Message: Posted by: tommy (Feb 22, 2019 05:14PM)
What odds can I get about it not being out by Chrismas or is it illegal to gamble at this here Gambling Spot?
Message: Posted by: popcalinda (Feb 23, 2019 10:33AM)
It should be out in a few months, 4-5
Message: Posted by: JasonEngland (Feb 25, 2019 11:43PM)
I was present for 80% of the photoshoots (there were 5, I think). I have a 1000 page draft on my desktop, with photos in place. Aiming to go to press very soon. Whether that means weeks or months is tough to say, but definitely out before the fall. 2 volumes in a slipcase. No other way to produce anything that big. About 10 guys have read it already. All of them say the same thing: I needed this 30 years ago!

Jason
Message: Posted by: supremefiction (Feb 26, 2019 08:30AM)
Thank you Jason. Will there be a mailing list or some other best method to get advance notice, to be ready to place an order? Like a waiting list.
Message: Posted by: supremefiction (Feb 26, 2019 09:28AM)
The Bible had two volumes also. Coincidence?
Message: Posted by: scottvraneshfallin (Feb 26, 2019 11:48AM)
[quote]On Feb 25, 2019, JasonEngland wrote:
About 10 guys have read it already. All of them say the same thing: I needed this 30 years ago!

Jason [/quote]

I suppose there is a benefit to my getting serious about playing cards so late in life. I'll be able to benefit from this knowledge.
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Feb 26, 2019 01:29PM)
#Jason: Sounds interesting. Can you give us some idea as to what this two volume set covers?
Message: Posted by: Paul H (Feb 26, 2019 02:31PM)
Hi Cag,

There have been glimpses of what this double volume may contain. I first heard about it from Jason Englands download 'At the Card Table'. Richard Hatch via the internet asked him to confirm that the book was real. Jason generously obliged saying it was a tomb specifically written for the magical community. He further stated that he had seen some of the work on 'Expert at the Card Table' and it had blown him away. As mentioned by Impromptu boy Steve Forte's mysterious TRS memory system will also be explained for the first time. Im also guessing that many of Steve's hand mucking moves, deck switches and so forth will be exposed. This is but a fraction of what we can expect and I'm sure those of us who really care about excellence in card handling and technique will be frantically waving credit cards, cheque books and bankers drafts when it becomes available. I know I will.

Best wishes,

Pau H
Message: Posted by: jjsanvert (Feb 26, 2019 05:11PM)
Some 180 pages of comments on Erdnase, some 80 methods to get the 4 aces (Steve’s favorite effect), shuffles, moves - you name it.
I already know it will be the greatest work ever done on the subject, by the greatest expert ever.
Message: Posted by: byronblaq1 (Feb 26, 2019 06:11PM)
Can’t wait.
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Feb 26, 2019 09:34PM)
[quote]On Feb 26, 2019, Paul H wrote:
Hi Cag,

... This is but a fraction of what we can expect and I'm sure those of us who really care about excellence in card handling and technique will be frantically waving credit cards, cheque books and bankers drafts when it becomes available. I know I will.

Pau H [/quote]

Thanks Paul. Do you think it advisable to move significant funds from offshore accounts to be ready to make this purchase?
Message: Posted by: Expertmagician (Feb 26, 2019 09:40PM)
May I ask if it will have much of the same material that was in Steve's Casino and Poker books ?
Will there be a lot of new information, ideas and perspectives ?
Approximately what % repeat ?
Message: Posted by: jjsanvert (Feb 26, 2019 11:42PM)
From what I wrote, you can expect a lot more informations. I mean a lot.
Fully explained with over 1400 photos.
Message: Posted by: Paul H (Feb 27, 2019 12:58AM)
[quote]On Feb 26, 2019, Cagliostro wrote:
[quote]On Feb 26, 2019, Paul H wrote:
Hi Cag,

... This is but a fraction of what we can expect and I'm sure those of us who really care about excellence in card handling and technique will be frantically waving credit cards, cheque books and bankers drafts when it becomes available. I know I will.

Pau H [/quote]

Thanks Paul. Do you think it advisable to move significant funds from offshore accounts to be ready to make this purchase? [/quote]

An excellent precaution to avoid bankrupcy and disappointment🤓
:pirate:
Message: Posted by: JasonEngland (Feb 27, 2019 04:50AM)
[quote]On Feb 26, 2019, Expertmagician wrote:
May I ask if it will have much of the same material that was in Steve's Casino and Poker books ?
Will there be a lot of new information, ideas and perspectives ?
Approximately what % repeat ? [/quote]

There is virtually zero overlap. This book is the 1000 page written version of sessioning with Steve for 10 hours.

Jason
Message: Posted by: Peterson (Feb 27, 2019 10:08AM)
Will it be limited in copies? How many copies at start?
Message: Posted by: popcalinda (Feb 27, 2019 12:20PM)
Can we preorder? :)
Message: Posted by: JasonEngland (Feb 27, 2019 01:10PM)
Undecided on number of copies, but ~ 1500 is what we've been discussing. Plenty to go around. Because of the size, it'll be expensive - in the neighborhood of $300 US plus shipping.

No preordering yet, but we have discussed it and it will probably be an option once the books are at the printer.

Jason
Message: Posted by: Peterson (Feb 27, 2019 02:22PM)
Thank you for the heads-up Jason.
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Feb 27, 2019 04:22PM)
The Gambling Spot has been pretty quiet and then some guy by the name of Steve Forte writes a book, which has not even been published yet, and this BB comes to life.

Who is this guy? His name sounds familiar but I can't quite place him.

But whatever he is doing it has piqued my curiosity. Hope he knows something about card moves.
Message: Posted by: Expertmagician (Feb 27, 2019 07:51PM)
[quote]On Feb 27, 2019, JasonEngland wrote:
[quote]On Feb 26, 2019, Expertmagician wrote:
May I ask if it will have much of the same material that was in Steve's Casino and Poker books ?
Will there be a lot of new information, ideas and perspectives ?
Approximately what % repeat ? [/quote]

There is virtually zero overlap. This book is the 1000 page written version of sessioning with Steve for 10 hours.

Jason [/quote]


Great news ! Thanks !
Message: Posted by: Bobbycash (Feb 28, 2019 01:32AM)
Looking forward to it Jason!
Message: Posted by: ImpromptuBoy (Feb 28, 2019 07:16PM)
Thanks for the info Jason, looking forward to this project!
Message: Posted by: andrew_green (Mar 27, 2019 05:32AM)
Awesome! This is fantastic to hear, I'm looking forward to it :)
Message: Posted by: tommy (Mar 27, 2019 09:15AM)
Is the book a "New book from Steve Forte" or a New book from Jason based on sessioning with Steve for 10 hours?
Message: Posted by: scottvraneshfallin (Mar 27, 2019 10:40AM)
[quote]On Mar 27, 2019, tommy wrote:
Is the book a "New book from Steve Forte" or a New book from Jason based on sessioning with Steve for 10 hours? [/quote]

The consensus seems to be Mr. Forte wrote this book.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Mar 27, 2019 02:09PM)
"This book is the 1000 page written version of sessioning with Steve for 10 hours." -Jason

What does that mean?
Message: Posted by: tommy (Mar 27, 2019 06:33PM)
The consensus seems to be you don't know. :)
Message: Posted by: Bobbycash (Mar 27, 2019 11:17PM)
The book is written by Steve, I think the analogy is that it is what would Steve show you if you sessioned with him for 10 hours
Message: Posted by: tommy (Mar 29, 2019 01:59AM)
I see. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: AntonF (Apr 23, 2019 01:16AM)
Will the book include any DVD or link to the performance of the moves. That will be interesting...
Message: Posted by: ImpromptuBoy (Apr 23, 2019 05:17PM)
[quote]On Apr 23, 2019, AntonF wrote:
Will the book include any DVD or link to the performance of the moves. That will be interesting... [/quote]

That would be awesome! I doubt there would be any footage though. But if there are 1400 photographs like jjsanvert had mentioned, there's your footage right there LOL.

I'm anxiously waiting for an update regarding this project. Jason, As soon as a pre-order option becomes available, I'm in!
Message: Posted by: tommy (Apr 23, 2019 08:06PM)
Yes that it is a nice idea. Some prefer books and others prefer films and both would be good. I think it has been done more or less with Erdnase.
Message: Posted by: hcs (Apr 24, 2019 05:13AM)
[quote]On Apr 23, 2019, ImpromptuBoy wrote:
... I'm anxiously waiting for an update regarding this project. Jason, As soon as a pre-order option becomes available, I'm in![/quote]
Me too!
Message: Posted by: andrew_green (Apr 24, 2019 06:38AM)
Also would love to hear when pre-order may be available, exciting times!
Message: Posted by: AsL (Apr 27, 2019 03:29PM)
Count me in, too!
Message: Posted by: popcalinda (Apr 28, 2019 05:30AM)
Me too!
Message: Posted by: CARDTALK (Apr 29, 2019 04:22PM)
I think everyone is super excited. I haven't picked up a pack of cards for about 6 months now I feel like locking myself away in a room with just this new Forte book for a few months!. Looking forward to buying a copy!
Message: Posted by: ImpromptuBoy (Apr 29, 2019 06:58PM)
I think that's exactly what I'm going to do once I get the book 😁 Minus not picking up a deck for 6 months lol but honestly, I don't think I've ever been so excited about a project like I am with this one. The suspense is killing me!
Message: Posted by: CARDTALK (Apr 30, 2019 10:25AM)
Me too, I think I will be here every day for updates. Maybe Jason will be the first to come back with any updates and more importantly where we can pre-order!
Message: Posted by: ImpromptuBoy (Apr 30, 2019 12:25PM)
[quote]On Apr 30, 2019, CARDTALK wrote:
Me too, I think I will be here every day for updates. Maybe Jason will be the first to come back with any updates and more importantly where we can pre-order! [/quote]

Amen!
Message: Posted by: disgruntledpuffin (Apr 30, 2019 04:09PM)
As a minimalist I'm not usually one for pre-ordering or getting hugely excited about products. This is very different. I've been waiting for this book since before it was even confirmed to exist....just year after year of hoping it would one day be written! :rotf:
Message: Posted by: Jerry (Apr 30, 2019 07:37PM)
Put me down for a pre-order.
Message: Posted by: T.Koldo (May 1, 2019 08:55AM)
Waiting for the pre-order.
Message: Posted by: camron (May 1, 2019 04:08PM)
I just burned my library because I figure this will be the only card book I'll need, so hopefully this book really becomes a reality or I'm screwed!!!
Message: Posted by: CARDTALK (May 1, 2019 05:58PM)
[quote]On May 1, 2019, camron wrote:
I just burned my library because I figure this will be the only card book I'll need, so hopefully this book really becomes a reality or I'm screwed!!! [/quote]

Hahahaha.... that's funny.
Message: Posted by: blackstone99 (May 10, 2019 10:54AM)
Looks wonderful.
Message: Posted by: Scharin (May 31, 2019 07:37AM)
Any update on the Steve Forte book? Is there a website that we should be keeping an eye on or a mailing list we should be joining to ensure we get a copy when it is released?
Message: Posted by: Mr. Bones (May 31, 2019 08:51AM)
[quote]On May 31, 2019, Scharin wrote:
Any update on the Steve Forte book? Is there a website that we should be keeping an eye on or a mailing list we should be joining to ensure we get a copy when it is released? [/quote]

No, no, and no.
Message: Posted by: pf70ds (Jul 26, 2019 07:24PM)
Any update now on the project ?
Message: Posted by: ImpromptuBoy (Jul 26, 2019 10:47PM)
I look this up on Google every single day (that's how obsessed I am about this project LOL), no update yet. I'm sure we will find out about it pretty soon. Hope there's going to be a pre-order...
Message: Posted by: chappy (Jul 27, 2019 11:57PM)
The wait will be worthwhile. This book has everything. :wow:
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Jul 28, 2019 11:27AM)
I'm sure Forte's book will be quite excellent when and if it finally comes out.

However, reading all the posts on this thread about this book's possible debut has gotten me very excited and I don't think I ever had this much fun with my cloths on before. :goof:
Message: Posted by: JasonEngland (Aug 22, 2019 08:58PM)
To update all those interested in the progress of Steve's book.

I've spent the last 2 days and again all day tomorrow at his house cleaning up the final draft with him. We've made some interesting discoveries and had a few laughs all at the same time, but rest assured, these are long writing/editing days. I argue with him over certain sections and I've won some and lost some. He has also gone through this process with over half a dozen other content editors and proofreaders. All of them have done a tremendous job with what is a massive (1000+ pages) book.

We're close. Very close.

Thank you for your patience.

Jason
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Aug 22, 2019 09:16PM)
Thanks for the update Jason. No doubt about the information in those pages.

Best

Steve
Message: Posted by: jasonffx (Aug 23, 2019 09:33AM)
Glad to hear that Jason. I am very excited for Steve’s new book. Hope he can teach something like ruffle cull, 52 move sets and other cool stuff in the book. A video performance and slow motion on the moves would be great as it will help the learning. Can’t wait to preorder. I am not from US but I hope this book is available for international buyers.
Message: Posted by: ssibal (Aug 23, 2019 08:31PM)
Look forward to the pre-order.
Message: Posted by: ImpromptuBoy (Aug 23, 2019 10:17PM)
Looking forward to the finished product Jason, I know it'll be epic!
Message: Posted by: disgruntledpuffin (Aug 23, 2019 11:27PM)
[quote]On Aug 22, 2019, JasonEngland wrote:
To update all those interested in the progress of Steve's book.

I've spent the last 2 days and again all day tomorrow at his house cleaning up the final draft with him. We've made some interesting discoveries and had a few laughs all at the same time, but rest assured, these are long writing/editing days. I argue with him over certain sections and I've won some and lost some. He has also gone through this process with over half a dozen other content editors and proofreaders. All of them have done a tremendous job with what is a massive (1000+ pages) book.

We're close. Very close.

Thank you for your patience.

Jason [/quote]

Jason,

If you could make sure it's this year, I'd appreciate it. I'm getting married next year and I really don't want to have to spend eternity lying to my wife about what the highlight of 2020 was.

Cheers,

Jack
Message: Posted by: holdingoutflat (Aug 24, 2019 05:07PM)
[quote]On Aug 23, 2019, disgruntledpuffin wrote:

Jason,

If you could make sure it's this year, I'd appreciate it. I'm getting married next year and I really don't want to have to spend eternity lying to my wife about what the highlight of 2020 was.

Cheers,

Jack [/quote]

And that's how you get it all figured out. Well done.
Message: Posted by: Bobbycash (Aug 24, 2019 08:42PM)
[quote]On Aug 24, 2019, disgruntledpuffin wrote:
[quote]On Aug 22, 2019, JasonEngland wrote:
To update all those interested in the progress of Steve's book.

I've spent the last 2 days and again all day tomorrow at his house cleaning up the final draft with him. We've made some interesting discoveries and had a few laughs all at the same time, but rest assured, these are long writing/editing days. I argue with him over certain sections and I've won some and lost some. He has also gone through this process with over half a dozen other content editors and proofreaders. All of them have done a tremendous job with what is a massive (1000+ pages) book.

We're close. Very close.

Thank you for your patience.

Jason [/quote]

Jason,

If you could make sure it's this year, I'd appreciate it. I'm getting married next year and I really don't want to have to spend eternity lying to my wife about what the highlight of 2020 was.

Cheers,

Jack [/quote]

Jack,
This might be my favourite post this year!
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Aug 25, 2019 04:05PM)
@JasonEngland:

Hmmm. 1,000 pages. Now that is a BIG book...and maybe a little unwieldy to handle and read?

I was thinking, why not break it down into two or three separate volumes, each volume could probably be specific as to certain subject areas.

Much easier to handle that way and also, with a two or three volume set, each volume could be purchased separately as needed (if each volume was specific to certain subjects).

Just a thought.
Message: Posted by: JasonEngland (Aug 25, 2019 06:17PM)
Cag,

It's going to be 2 volumes.

Jason
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Aug 25, 2019 09:38PM)
Thanks Jason, two volumes sounds good.
Message: Posted by: pf70ds (Aug 27, 2019 06:01AM)
Jason, are all the photos or illustration done ? Is it laid out just going through the final proofread ? Will books be out by years end ?
Message: Posted by: JasonEngland (Aug 27, 2019 02:22PM)
All photos are done and in place. Layout is 99% done and final proofreading is being accomplished now. Year's end is very likely, barring any unforeseen problems.

Jason
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Aug 27, 2019 02:54PM)
Merry Christmas to me!!!!
Message: Posted by: tommy (Aug 27, 2019 07:15PM)
[quote]On Feb 22, 2019, tommy wrote:
What odds can I get about it not being out by Chrismas or is it illegal to gamble at this here Gambling Spot? [/quote]
Message: Posted by: holdingoutflat (Aug 27, 2019 10:30PM)
Oh boy, Christmas is going to be a good one this year
Message: Posted by: lagoss (Aug 27, 2019 11:51PM)
I literally cannot wait...
Message: Posted by: jasonffx (Aug 28, 2019 04:12AM)
Please don't be too expensive
Message: Posted by: Kimura (Aug 28, 2019 07:51AM)
[quote]On Aug 28, 2019, jasonffx wrote:
Please don't be too expensive [/quote]

It'll be worth every penny, I am sure.
Message: Posted by: andrew_green (Aug 28, 2019 08:45AM)
Exciting news! I'm looking forward to pre-ordering if that's an option :)
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Aug 28, 2019 12:09PM)
[quote]On Aug 28, 2019, andrew_green wrote:
Exciting news! I'm looking forward to pre-ordering if that's an option :) [/quote]

Of course you can pre-order. In fact I am handling all the pre-orders.

To be assured of getting a copy, fresh off the presses before the ink even dries, just send Cagliostro a money order for $1,495 and your order will be handled first. You will go to the head of the line and it should be a very long line.

For the real enthusiast, add another $500.00 to your order and we will include an autographed photo of Steve Forte holding a pair of dice in one hand and a deck of cards in the other.

Oh, just joking guys.

:rotf:
Message: Posted by: popcalinda (Aug 29, 2019 06:00PM)
Please start pre-orders a few months before the Christmas :)
Message: Posted by: JasonEngland (Oct 8, 2019 09:54PM)
For those wanting an update:

The book is essentially done, barring a few last-minute edits. I'd say it's 99% laid out, the cover is done, and there are only 2 chapters left to finish copy-editing. All of the full-size, high-resolution photos are in place. To be honest, Steve is mostly waiting on me to finish looking over the last 2 chapters. But...since I'm working through everything with cards in hand, it takes time. Still, it has to be done this way as I occasionally find small things that need to be corrected.

A website has been created but has not got live yet. Not sure if we'll do pre-orders or not, but you're looking at a roughly $300 - 350 price point, depending on where you live.

I can tell you this: I've spent the last 13 years practically living next door to Steve and have shuffled cards with him probably 200 times in that period. There's stuff in this book I've never seen before.

About every 50 pages or so I see something that makes me thing, "Well. I've been doing that wrong for 30 years."

It's pretty amazing to say the least.

I wish Rod, Johnny, and Ricky had lived to see it.

Jason
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Oct 8, 2019 10:49PM)
Thanks for such good report Jason. What a work of art and dedication this must be. What a friend Steve must be. To rub shoulder's with a legend and be a part of such a project is awesome. Thanks for the update and your friendship.

Best

Steve
Message: Posted by: Peterson (Oct 9, 2019 02:34PM)
Thank you for the update!
Message: Posted by: Bobbycash (Oct 9, 2019 10:34PM)
Fantastic news! Looking forward to it.
Message: Posted by: jasonffx (Oct 10, 2019 09:20AM)
It is about time for me to buy this book
Message: Posted by: jasonffx (Oct 10, 2019 09:44AM)
Jason, just a suggestion. Is it possible to film the performances of the moves in the book? It may be easier to follow if there is are performances for the moves taught.
Message: Posted by: CARDTALK (Oct 10, 2019 05:51PM)
Really looking forward to buying a copy or two Jason. I for one really appreciate the updates. It seems like a pre-2020 release is more than likely. I will keep coming back sporadically for any updates.
Message: Posted by: Paul H (Oct 12, 2019 04:39PM)
Hi Jason,
Many thanks for the update. Really appreciated. It really does sound like an extraordinary project and feels a privilege to be able to buy such an important ground breaking book.
Best wishes,

Paul h
Message: Posted by: pf70ds (Oct 13, 2019 11:15AM)
Jason, it would be great if you list a table of contents of the books on the new website for when the books are ready to be ordered ( or maybe before :) .Thanks MiIke
Message: Posted by: The Dowser (Oct 13, 2019 05:57PM)
I have to chuckle at some go the comments in reaction to this new book coming out. I know we can't expect everyone in our "fraternity" to realize or understand how lucky we are to even have the possibility of Steve sharing his knowledge with us in book form.
There is NO ONE producing ANYTHING (whether it be books or video) right now that even comes close to what he can offer us.
It's natural to ask about things before making a hefty purchase or to suggest things like splitting it up into smaller volumes etc. (I guess)... but I just can't help but think that if you need to ask about the table of contents, or ask for supporting videos, than this book may not be for you (as elitist as that may sound... it's really true). The mere existence of this book will affect our little fraternity of sleight of hand enthusiasts the same way a visit from an advanced alien civilization that offered to share their technology would affect the earth. I for one will not be looking this gift horse in the mouth.
Message: Posted by: pf70ds (Oct 13, 2019 07:46PM)
THe table of contents was only meant to review and look forward to . The purchase of the set of books is a given regardless . It is true, it is Steve Forte .
Message: Posted by: Mr. Bones (Oct 14, 2019 11:29AM)
It’s probably par for the course to see this kind of giddy anticipation ... although I could definitely do without the “giddy” posts ... there’s little doubt that the book will bring out all kinds of buyers - from kids suggesting SF record every move on video so they can “understand it better”, to long time members of this forum who will recognize the importance of his choosing to publish some of his closely held work from outside of game protection.

Probably his swan song, it’s a good thing that his work will cement SF’s importance to the broader world of card work beyond game protection ... he certainly deserves to sell as many copies as he can possibly print.
Message: Posted by: The Dowser (Oct 14, 2019 01:34PM)
Typo correction...
could some one with the ability to edit be having a "go" at me?

[quote]On Oct 13, 2019, The Dowser wrote:
I have to chuckle at some of the comments in reaction to this new book coming out. I know we can't expect everyone in our "fraternity" to realize or understand how lucky we are to even have the possibility of Steve sharing his knowledge with us in book form.
There is NO ONE producing ANYTHING (whether it be books or video) right now that even comes close to what he can offer us.
It's natural to ask about things before making a hefty purchase or to suggest things like splitting it up into smaller volumes etc. (I guess)... but I just can't help but think that if you need to ask about the table of contents, or ask for supporting videos, than this book may not be for you (as elitist as that may sound... it's really true). The mere existence of this book will affect our little fraternity of sleight of hand enthusiasts the same way a visit from an advanced alien civilization that offered to share their technology would affect the earth. I for one will not be looking this gift horse in the mouth. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: The Dowser (Oct 14, 2019 01:37PM)
I was told that when Steve's book comes out people are going to forget about Erdnase.
Message: Posted by: Vishal Amlani (Oct 15, 2019 08:02AM)
Is it just me or does anyone else feel the less attention this book gets the better it is for the gambling community? I am no expert when it comes to the actual card handling or knowledge of gambling sleights but from what I've seen and heard of Steve Forte, the less commercial promotion this book gets, the better its value would be. I hope the high price shuns off a lot of the bandwagon...
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Oct 15, 2019 09:23AM)
[quote]On Oct 15, 2019, Vishal Amlani wrote:

Is it just me or does anyone else feel the less attention this book gets the better it is for the gambling community? [/quote]

I have not seen the book and have zero knowledge of its actual contents so I am speculating here. However, I do have a lot of knowledge about actual gambling ploys that have been used and are being used, both in professional poker and other casino card games and my guess would be that Forte's book and its revelations would have little or no effect on the gambling community.

I would speculate that the book is designed for the magician, demonstrator and "gambling expert" genre. Yes, Forte is a very skillful and a knowledgeable manipulator of playing cards, and many of the things he does are very clever and no doubt "new" to most if not all who may buy his book. How practical much of this material would be in today's professional gaming world environment may be moot.

As far as professional hustlers go, 99% of these guys would probably not even be aware of Forte's book nor would they have a great interest in buying it. They do what they do and if they are successful in professional poker and/or casino game hustling, I would guess that Forte's book would have little to offer them. Most of the old and venerable "gambling" type moves are passe in today's professional gambling environment, regardless of how many variations, twists and innovations one comes up with.

However, for the magician, hobbyist, student, demonstrator and the like, I am sure Forte's book will offer a "candy shop" treasure trove of dazzling moves, methods and ideas - enough to delight any "move junkie" for quite some time. However, how practical much of this would be to hustlers might be quite questionable.

But of course, without seeing the book I can't give more than a "speculative" commentary. But generally speaking, gambling type "moves" in today's professional world of gambling are primarily for magicians and the like, not for successful high-end hustlers.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Bones (Oct 16, 2019 12:14PM)
If hard core gambling is your thing, then you'll already own Forte's two big books - [b]Casino Game Protection[/b] and [b]Poker Protection[/b] (maybe even [b]Read the Dealer [/b]if you're a completist).
I'd anticipate this pending release is intended more for the fan of card handing undertaken primarily to entertain oneself, and for the entertainment of others.

Invariably there will be an abundance of contents of the new book that were previously unknown to a wide variety of readers, although this has little to do with hard core gambling, and everything to do with the fact that SF is a master of the craft, and in personal possession of far, far more interesting and entertaining "moves" than [i]any[/i] of his potential readers.
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Oct 16, 2019 10:03PM)
For those who might be interested in getting some info on what hardcore gambling is, here is a nice article explaining same:

https://www.gamblingsites.org/blog/ten-things-hardcore-gamblers-casual-gamblers-dont/

Sorry guy, no moves here. :arg:
Message: Posted by: Peterson (Oct 17, 2019 01:20AM)
Wait, is the rule 7 Practice? Must be a fake article.
Message: Posted by: Vishal Amlani (Oct 17, 2019 05:28AM)
@Cagliostro - Sorry I may not have come across clearly enough. When I referred to the "gambling community", I wasn't entirely referring to professional hustlers. My inclination was more towards the people from this forum who have a much greater affiliation towards gambling sleights and demonstrations.

Or, or, maybe its just my wish to be a part of a relatively exclusive club of people who can potentially get their hands on this book! haha

On a more serious note, and like you rightly mentioned, this is clearly speculation but I would like to believe that a lot of the routines/techniques that will be published in this book are slightly more advanced and caters to an audience for whom the sleights go beyond using it for "magic" purposes (whom I believe are a majority of the people).

It's a bit hard for me to explain but I hope you understand where I'm coming from.
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Oct 17, 2019 01:22PM)
[quote]On Oct 16, 2019, Peterson wrote:
Wait, is the rule 7 Practice? Must be a fake article. [/quote]

Yup. You are absolutely correct. The concept of practicing to improve one's game is not realistic. Practice is onerous and time consuming. Practicing to improve one performance or technique is obviously ridiculous.

Glad you picked up on that and of course as you suggest it makes the entire article bogus.
Message: Posted by: JasonEngland (Oct 17, 2019 05:15PM)
To clarify, this book is 99.9% “fun stuff.”

It’s Steve’s assemblage of 40 years of gambling techniques that others have shared with him or that he’s created himself packaged in such a way to be of interest to mainly a magician audience. The techniques are certainly real and in most cases came from the gambling tables. But the context is directed towards having a good time not cheating scenarios.

Jason

PS: That 0.01% comes from the fact that sometimes it’s necessary to describe a cheating scenario to make a larger point about a move or technique.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Oct 17, 2019 07:57PM)
We have won a bit at side games like Kalooki using fun stuff. In such games, the hardest part is not the move but rather the hustling: finding the right customer and luring him to play and so on. Do you fellows play Gin?
Message: Posted by: Mr. Bones (Oct 31, 2019 05:44PM)
When does the restricted 48 hour pre-sale available only to Gambling Spot regulars begin Jason? :coffee:
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Oct 31, 2019 07:14PM)
[quote]On Oct 31, 2019, Mr. Bones wrote:
When does the restricted 48 hour pre-sale available only to Gambling Spot regulars begin Jason? :coffee: [/quote]

...and does it include a 50% discount? ;)
Message: Posted by: SteGician (Nov 1, 2019 05:09AM)
After about 2 years of tryng to registrate myself I'm finally here.. I follow this thread without possibilty to respond it..
Finally today I can say that I was waiting for Steve and Jason material for time.
I feel so lucky to live in a moment where they work togheter for a single Project.
Thank you very much both of you. I'm gonna instabuy this book when it' comes.
Sorry for my bad english.
Stefano
Message: Posted by: pf70ds (Nov 3, 2019 10:13AM)
Jason, a few questions . Do you have update on progress of the books? When will the web site be up? Will preorders be taken at that time ? Lastly do you think books will be sent out by years end. Thanks
Message: Posted by: Expertmagician (Nov 7, 2019 08:16PM)
[quote]On Oct 31, 2019, Cagliostro wrote:
[quote]On Oct 31, 2019, Mr. Bones wrote:
When does the restricted 48 hour pre-sale available only to Gambling Spot regulars begin Jason? :coffee: [/quote]

...and does it include a 50% discount? ;) [/quote]

For you he will double the price and then give you a 50% discount :-)
Message: Posted by: tommy (Nov 7, 2019 08:31PM)
When this new book comes out, how old will it be?
Message: Posted by: supremefiction (Nov 8, 2019 08:39AM)
Jason,

http://riderjw.tripod.com/imponderablequestions.htm

Thank you.
Message: Posted by: ImpromptuBoy (Nov 8, 2019 06:44PM)
[quote]On Nov 7, 2019, Expertmagician wrote:
[quote]On Oct 31, 2019, Cagliostro wrote:
[quote]On Oct 31, 2019, Mr. Bones wrote:
When does the restricted 48 hour pre-sale available only to Gambling Spot regulars begin Jason? :coffee: [/quote]

...and does it include a 50% discount? ;) [/quote]

For you he will double the price and then give you a 50% discount :-) [/quote]


LOL that's a smart businessman
Message: Posted by: reese (Nov 9, 2019 09:22PM)
Even at a 1500 copy print edition, I believe this will sell out very quickly. Within a month. Bets?
Message: Posted by: 5ggg (Nov 11, 2019 09:38AM)
...is there talk of it going for that price....?
Message: Posted by: disgruntledpuffin (Nov 11, 2019 11:38AM)
[quote]On Nov 11, 2019, 5ggg wrote:
...is there talk of it going for that price....? [/quote]

1500 being the probable print run, not the price. Jason has said it's likely to be around $300.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Bones (Nov 13, 2019 09:42AM)
To say this book is highly anticipated would be somewhat of an understatement, and predicting sales of any given book on magic has proven to be all but impossible ... even for the wise pundits among us.

For those who might want a copy of Forte's new book, it would only seem prudent to order immediately upon release ... or no doubt tears will be shed, and posts will be plentiful on assorted magic forums begging for a second edition (something Forte definitely hasn't had a habit of doing based on his previous releases).

But then again, who knows - this could be a new [b]Greater Magic[/b], and in print for the next two hundred years.
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Nov 13, 2019 10:47AM)
[quote]On Nov 13, 2019, Mr. Bones wrote:

To say this book is highly anticipated would be somewhat of an understatement, and predicting sales of any given book on magic has proven to be all but impossible ... even for the wise pundits among us. [/quote]

That's an interesting observation. Yes, there is a lot of excitement on [i]this BB[/i] about Forte's book. However, the people on this forum appear to be but a small segment of the magic community as a whole, which is a considerably larger group than the demo/gambling/hobbyist segment.

Not to detract from Forte's new book in any way, my question is this. Does the giddiness shown on this forum indicative of the interest that will be generated by the magic community as a whole, or is it just representative of a small, somewhat specialized segment of same?
Message: Posted by: Mr. Bones (Nov 13, 2019 03:43PM)
Cag, I see mention of his book on the Theory 11 forums, and elsewhere on the magic and gambling internet sites, including here on the Café.
I think most folks on the Magic Café come to the Gambling Spot to read (even if they don't post, which most don't) anything and everything about Forte ... mainly because they know Jason posts here, and they know that Jason is associated with the book.

I think with the typical press run of magic books somewhere between 1000 and 1500, and with many of those "other" magic books (if they're popular) selling out quite quickly ... Forte should have no problem selling his first (perhaps only) run out quite quickly.

I think a positive review in Genii and elsewhere on magic forums would likely result in a quick disappearance of the book for sale ... with perhaps the only real caveat (and it's not to be overlooked) being the potential $300.00 selling price, which will be far higher (with exchange) in other countries, and higher too in the U.S. with additional postage for such a large book adding another $30.00 or $40.00 to the overall price.

I guess we'll see though, likely sooner than later.
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Nov 14, 2019 11:10AM)
Bones, you make a good point and are probably right on your observations.

Forte is almost legendary in magic circles, areas which extend well beyond gambling protection and exposes. Also, in his later years he appears to have drifted towards the performance of gambling themed magic effects and card tricks and probably gets considerable enjoyment from doing so.

Inasmuch as his new book may very well be more on a magic/gambling theme and the performance of associated effects along those lines, the market probably is considerably wider than I initially anticipated. Couple that with anticipated favorable reviews in magic publications, that will probably give a considerable boost to sales.

Since I don't demonstrate or perform and have little interest in doing so, I will probably buy the book to have a copy on my shelf and for the enjoyment of reading it.

Also, I am not above learning a thing or two along the way...

Yup...still not too old to learn and hope springs eternal.
Message: Posted by: 5ggg (Nov 14, 2019 11:55AM)
On FB, and reddit, this book is brought up on occasion. I don't think it will have an issue at all selling. I would think many of the bigger card guys are at least familiar with his name
Message: Posted by: Scodischarge (Nov 14, 2019 01:07PM)
[quote]On Nov 13, 2019, Mr. Bones wrote:
Cag, I see mention of his book on the Theory 11 forums, and elsewhere on the magic and gambling internet sites, including here on the Café.
I think most folks on the Magic Café come to the Gambling Spot to read (even if they don't post, which most don't) anything and everything about Forte ... mainly because they know Jason posts here, and they know that Jason is associated with the book.[/quote]
That post you saw on Theory11 was probably mine, and I only knew of this because I frequently read the posts here. As you might have seen, the post didn't get any overwhelming reactions; except for some gambling sleight enthusiasts there were just one or two people who seemed interested in it.
I honestly don't think Steve Forte is as well-known among other magicians who don't share our, shall we say, special interests. Of course, if this book will be "the next Erdnase" that may change, but though I certainly wouldn't wait too long to buy it, I don't think any of us will have trouble getting a copy.
Message: Posted by: reese (Nov 15, 2019 12:30AM)
I think Steve Forte is very well known among serious card handlers throughout the world.
Message: Posted by: lagoss (Nov 15, 2019 03:48AM)
If I miss out I don't know what I'll do...
Message: Posted by: happy003 (Nov 15, 2019 09:16AM)
[quote]On Nov 15, 2019, lagoss wrote:
If I miss out I don't know what I'll do... [/quote]
Me too!
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Nov 15, 2019 09:29AM)
[quote]On Nov 14, 2019, reese wrote:
I think Steve Forte is very well known among serious card handlers throughout the world. [/quote]

I think that is a more accurate observation than my statement of being well know in "magic circles." Since I don't hang or associate with magicians or "serious card handlers" as such, I am out of my depth as to who knows whom regarding Forte and how widely known he is.

Now being well known among professional gamblers who use various forms of chicanery...well that may be a different story.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Bones (Nov 15, 2019 12:35PM)
I've not met anybody (in North America) in the past decade who handles cards seriously for entertainment or their own personal interest who [i]doesn't[/i] know who Steve Forte is.

If you know "serious" card guys who indeed don't know who he is, the word "serious" in the referring sentence may require reconsideration.
Message: Posted by: disgruntledpuffin (Nov 15, 2019 02:00PM)
[quote]On Nov 15, 2019, happy003 wrote:
[quote]On Nov 15, 2019, lagoss wrote:
If I miss out I don't know what I'll do... [/quote]
Me too! [/quote]

Don't worry. The way the book market is these days, for any title to sell out 1500 copies immediately upon release would be basically unheard of. 1500 is PLENTY for everyone.
Message: Posted by: popcalinda (Nov 15, 2019 02:02PM)
Any updates? :)
Message: Posted by: Scodischarge (Nov 17, 2019 11:13AM)
[quote]On Nov 15, 2019, Mr. Bones wrote:
I've not met anybody (in North America) in the past decade who handles cards seriously for entertainment or their own personal interest who [i]doesn't[/i] know who Steve Forte is.

If you know "serious" card guys who indeed don't know who he is, the word "serious" in the referring sentence may require reconsideration. [/quote]
Reese, Cag and Bones, you're probably right. In Europe it's probably quite different than in North America, which is why I wrote that rather rushed comment.
I actually meant it to be an answer to the fear that it would sell out before we got the chance to buy it. What I should have said is that the majority of card handlers are hobby-magicians with relatively little interest in card cheating, advantage play etc., who may have heard of Steve Forte but never had that much interest in him or his work, and thus probably won't buy this book, at least not before we have had the chance.

I apologize for any confusion my comment may have caused! :)
Message: Posted by: JasonEngland (Nov 17, 2019 05:21PM)
The book has essentially been completely edited. Steve has sent sample pages to the printer so that he can get printed sample paper examples back from them. That allows him to choose which type and weight of paper he wants.

Definitely in the endgame.

Jason
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Nov 17, 2019 08:19PM)
[quote]On Nov 17, 2019, JasonEngland wrote:
The book has essentially been completely edited. Steve has sent sample pages to the printer so that he can get printed sample paper examples back from them. That allows him to choose which type and weight of paper he wants.

Definitely in the endgame.

Jason [/quote]

Thanks for the update my friend.

Steve
Message: Posted by: CARDTALK (Nov 23, 2019 11:16AM)
[quote]On Nov 17, 2019, JasonEngland wrote:
The book has essentially been completely edited. Steve has sent sample pages to the printer so that he can get printed sample paper examples back from them. That allows him to choose which type and weight of paper he wants.

Definitely in the endgame.

Jason [/quote]

Appreciate the updates, safe to say this will happen before Christmas then?...
Message: Posted by: Mr. Bones (Nov 23, 2019 10:44PM)
I would posit that it's not in the "cards" to be under anybody's tree [i]this[/i] Christmas.
Message: Posted by: JasonEngland (Nov 23, 2019 11:12PM)
Book will be at the printers by then I would imagine, but probably not back FROM the printers by Christmas. First part of 2020.

Jason
Message: Posted by: iamslow (Nov 24, 2019 06:14AM)
[quote]On Nov 23, 2019, JasonEngland wrote:
Book will be at the printers by then I would imagine, but probably not back FROM the printers by Christmas. First part of 2020.

Jason [/quote]

Is there any chance we could get autographed copies like he did with the casino game protection books??
Message: Posted by: coachawsm (Nov 25, 2019 10:23AM)
[quote]On Nov 23, 2019, JasonEngland wrote:
Book will be at the printers by then I would imagine, but probably not back FROM the printers by Christmas. First part of 2020.

Jason [/quote]

Perfect timing for Blackpool 2020 :D
Message: Posted by: reese (Dec 13, 2019 10:58PM)
Cheetos! The views for this thread are near 30 K. I want to see a preorder and pay my way now.
Message: Posted by: SteGician (Dec 16, 2019 04:30AM)
[quote]On Dec 13, 2019, reese wrote:
Cheetos! The views for this thread are near 30 K. I want to see a preorder and pay my way now. [/quote]
That views are probably mine! I check this topic almost 20 times a day ahhaahahah
Message: Posted by: reese (Dec 16, 2019 11:21PM)
You are one smart cookie. Now shut up.
Message: Posted by: Ron Conley (Dec 18, 2019 05:52PM)
The book went to the printer today. The release date will be January 2020 (most likely later in the month). A website will be up soon.
Message: Posted by: camron (Dec 18, 2019 06:13PM)
[quote]On Dec 18, 2019, Ron Conley wrote:
The book went to the printer today. The release date will be January 2020 (most likely later in the month). A website will be up soon. [/quote]


Thanks for the update Ron....




Justin
Message: Posted by: byronblaq1 (Dec 18, 2019 08:35PM)
Great news! Can’t wait to get my hands on a copy.


BB
Message: Posted by: ImpromptuBoy (Dec 18, 2019 10:41PM)
[quote]On Dec 18, 2019, Ron Conley wrote:
The book went to the printer today. The release date will be January 2020 (most likely later in the month). A website will be up soon. [/quote]

HALLELUJAH!!
Message: Posted by: reese (Dec 19, 2019 12:11AM)
Who is "Snape"? just curious. he likes everything. Just wondering about "Snape"
Message: Posted by: skillzilla (Dec 20, 2019 12:19PM)
Now would be a good time to download this free book from Vanishing Inc
https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/magic-downloads/ebooks/magic-in-mind/

And then, read the essay, "Next Book Syndrome" by Darwin Ortiz.
Message: Posted by: disgruntledpuffin (Dec 20, 2019 01:53PM)
[quote]On Dec 20, 2019, skillzilla wrote:
Now would be a good time to download this free book from Vanishing Inc
https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/magic-downloads/ebooks/magic-in-mind/

And then, read the essay, "Next Book Syndrome" by Darwin Ortiz. [/quote]

We could, or we could just carry on with our well justified excitement about finally having a chance to study a masterwork from the top practicioner of this branch of sleight of hand.
Message: Posted by: byronblaq1 (Dec 20, 2019 03:12PM)
[quote]On Dec 20, 2019, disgruntledpuffin wrote:
We could, or we could just carry on with our well justified excitement about finally having a chance to study a masterwork from the top practitioner of this branch of sleight of hand. [/quote]

This.

BB
Message: Posted by: Kimura (Dec 21, 2019 03:14AM)
I would agree with skillzilla's post in almost every other thread on this forum.
Magic in Mind is the best thing Vanishing Inc have put out (they can go away now, they've peaked). It's required reading - especially in a world where many of the sources cost large amounts on the second hand market. Being a well-read beginning magician is very difficult these days, without spending huge amounts of money or pirating - we as a community would do well to remember that.

The Darwin Ortiz essay applies for 90%+ of the books released in the last ten years. Next book syndrome is part of the reason why we have so much overpriced magic books of disappointing quality (to my recollection, I've only bothered with one magic book published this year, and it was uniquely disappointing) being released. We magicians have insatiable appetites and middling tastes.

However, I think the Forte book will be a notable exception. This is a life's work book. Forte is not the kind of person to release something new every 6 months or 3 years. And I say this as someone who is desperately trying to move away from the "circle jerk" of magic Mr Ortiz refers to.
Message: Posted by: ASW (Dec 21, 2019 06:02AM)
I’ll be buying this book and I think it’s safe to say Darwin will too.
Message: Posted by: CARDTALK (Dec 21, 2019 10:55AM)
I think you have to realize that even though Forte is essentially releasing a book that is "magic based" there is still a big difference between mainstream published books and what Forte will be releasing.
Message: Posted by: skillzilla (Dec 21, 2019 11:24PM)
Quoting Mr. Ortiz

[quote]It's true that there are people in the magic business who are masters of using the Internet to whip magicians into hysterical anticipation over whatever they're planning to market next.
Their posts usually start with, "I've just had the good fortune to see an advance copy of John Doe's _____." (Translation: "My company will soon be marketing John Doe's _____.")

Nevertheless, I don't believe that most of the blame for the periodic outbreaks of next-book hysteria among magicians falls on the shoulders of authors, publishers, or dealers. At the merest whisper of some new book in the works, magicians will take to the Internet to whip each other into a frenzy. It's the magicians themselves who produce ridiculously unrealistic expectations in their own minds for each new book on the horizon.

I don't think that hype is the right word for what is going on here. A producer promoting his product with exaggerated claims is hype. A group of people stroking each other into an orgiastic frenzy isn't hype; it's a circle jerk.

Magicians will talk about checking their mailbox each day in breathless anticipation of receiving the NEXT great magic book. I can sympathize. I recall doing the same thing as a child waiting for the arrival of the decoder ring I’d sent away for by using breakfast cereal box tops. In fact, magicians awaiting the next magic book or video set most closely resemble children awaiting the arrival of Santa Claus (except that they don't show quite as much maturity).

Indeed, I think that the anticipation itself and the fantasizing they can indulge in while waiting for the NEXT book is precisely what many magicians have become addicted to. The daydreaming of possibilities, the breathless expectation, the speculating with other magicians who are just as ignorant as they are about what the book may contain and when it will appear is the real high.
The proof is that when there is no new book on the horizon, they begin experiencing withdrawal. They'll start their own rumors and desperately ask each other if they know of any books in the works. It's all a sad search for another high (as well as a search for an excuse not to read the books they already own.) There always needs to be something in the pipeline to fuel the pipe dreams. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Paul H (Dec 22, 2019 01:17AM)
Interesting quote Skillzilla, and I’m of the opinion that the upcoming Forte volumes supported as they are by illustrious contributors like Jason England, Ron Conley, Andrew Wimhurst etc is the exception that proves the rule.

Paul H
Message: Posted by: Kimura (Dec 22, 2019 02:37AM)
Skillzilla will get the same responses they got after their first post, because quoting an essay you've already cited doesn't add anything or strengthen your argument.

The counterpoint to Ortiz here is that when the anticipation is justified, his argument is defeated. In my opinion, I think the anticipation is justified here. People are excited in this thread (maybe not to the extent of an orgiastic frenzy, but maybe we're just tired), and that can only be a good thing. I think it's important to let people enjoy things, if they're justified in enjoying them.
Message: Posted by: CARDTALK (Dec 22, 2019 09:47AM)
If Skillzilla thought it would be a good idea to draw attention to Darwin Ortiz's quote then he really doesn't know who Steve Forte is. Darwin Ortiz is making a valid point about the vast amount of cleverly marketed rubbish that now circulates through social media to grab your attention but Darwin Ortiz would be the first to say that this up and coming book of Steve Forte is not just another magic book.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Bones (Dec 22, 2019 10:19AM)
[quote]On Dec 20, 2019, skillzilla wrote:
Now would be a good time to download this free book from Vanishing Inc
https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/magic-downloads/ebooks/magic-in-mind/

And then, read the essay, "Next Book Syndrome" by Darwin Ortiz. [/quote]

You haven't successfully made any sort of argument, you've just cut'n'pasted links or text from a highly respected author that most definitely didn't have Forte's book in mind when he wrote the piece.
Ortiz isn't talking about a once every decade book release (SF's publishing output) from an undisputed fellow master of the craft, he was talking about the hundreds of questionable releases each year offering little to justify the $100.00 - $200.00 price tag, and the associated crooked mindset of those magicians who so truly believe that the "next" book (or the "next" book after that) they buy will make all the difference, will push them over the top, make them so much better, or take them in a entirely new and far more successful direction.

Buyers of SF's new book know full well what they're getting, and as ASW noted, the author of the piece you linked to will most probably himself be on SF's customer list.

If you have an argument to make ... then make it. But linking to, or cut'n'pasting Ortiz's article repeatedly fails to support any sort of credible argument simply because it doesn't apply to the release SF's upcoming book.
What you see in this thread is the anticipation that builds when one of the very few true masters of the craft release something completely new (Forte hasn't released [b][i]any[/i][/b] magic books to date)

I'm not a magician, and I don't do magic tricks for people. I'm buying this book because, based on all of the aurhors previous releases, I know there is an excellent chance that every second page will teach me something completely new about what can be achieved with a deck of cards.
That in and of itself is priceless to me, and (as for others posting to this thread) is the reason for the anticipation and excitement for the release of SF's new book.
Message: Posted by: Yehuda (Dec 22, 2019 02:25PM)
Until now this thread has been a good place to check in and get updates from Jason and others that are in the know regarding the book. It's probably the first and only thread to go so long without any "bad blood" in it. Why don't we try to just keep it as that, please. (I think the "New Book Syndrome" is actually a very good essay and I think ANOTHER thread on the Café would be a great place to discuss it.)

For all those that are excited about the book, like myself, be excited. Don't listen to others that try to detract from your excitement and you don't need to make posts here to find other people to validate your excitement.

Yehuda
Message: Posted by: CARDTALK (Dec 22, 2019 04:34PM)
Your right Yehuda!
Message: Posted by: ImpromptuBoy (Dec 22, 2019 07:56PM)
I'll second that. Let's keep the spirit alive for Steve's book! I might even purchase two copies, that's how much I appreciate Steve's work 🙂
Message: Posted by: luvisi (Dec 25, 2019 03:37PM)
Here is a link to a copy of The Next Book Syndrome that you can read directly: https://web.archive.org/web/20080912084435/http://www.exomagic.com/forum/lounge/4426-darwin-ortiz-next-book-syndrome.html

From a paragraph near the end:
[quote]To sum up, accept the fact that no book can change your life or even make you a better magician. Only you can do that through hard work. The best book can only provide some tools and some direction.[/quote]

I accept the fact that no book can change my life or make me a better magician. Only I can do that through hard work. The best that this book can do for me is to provide some tools and direction. I have read Steve Forte's books Casino Game Protection and Poker Protection from cover to cover and I loved them.

NOW is it okay for me to be excited about this new book coming out, to buy it, and to read it?

Andru
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Dec 25, 2019 04:56PM)
[quote]On Dec 25, 2019, luvisi wrote:
Here is a link to a copy of The Next Book Syndrome that you can read directly: https://web.archive.org/web/20080912084435/http://www.exomagic.com/forum/lounge/4426-darwin-ortiz-next-book-syndrome.html

From a paragraph near the end:
[quote]To sum up, accept the fact that no book can change your life or even make you a better magician. Only you can do that through hard work. The best book can only provide some tools and some direction.[/quote]

NOW is it okay for me to be excited about this new book coming out, to buy it, and to read it?

Andru [/quote]

Yes
Message: Posted by: Keyser (Dec 26, 2019 08:08AM)
Quoting the next book syndrome here is invalid on so many levels. I picked up on a tip on jogging cards in a live lecture and the tip was credited to Steve Forte ( This jog subtlety is priceless and really elevated my card magic ) . I can't even imagine the amount of precious infos that'll be published in this upcoming book.
Quoting The next book syndrome in this case is only valid if a person didn't pay enough time and practice to assimilate the knowledge in EATCT or any annotated version of the same book.
Message: Posted by: popcalinda (Dec 26, 2019 01:44PM)
We are waiting for webpage :)
Message: Posted by: Jerry (Jan 9, 2020 08:38AM)
"Next Book Syndrome" would not be a problem if David Ben was the author.

He still has not release THREE books announced.
Message: Posted by: CARDTALK (Jan 9, 2020 10:31AM)
Was he not supposed to be writing a book on Dad Stevens? It is supposed to be connected with The Experts at the Card Table book....
Message: Posted by: JasonEngland (Jan 9, 2020 11:38PM)
The website is complete (essentially) but not "live" yet. A few more days. Waiting on a better idea of exactly when the books should be back from the printer.

Jason
Message: Posted by: ImpromptuBoy (Jan 11, 2020 01:57AM)
Thanks for the update Jason!
Message: Posted by: Dicetricks (Jan 11, 2020 09:54PM)
I sure hope there is some dice stuff in the book.
Message: Posted by: JasonEngland (Jan 11, 2020 09:58PM)
There is nothing about dice in the book.

Jason
Message: Posted by: ImpromptuBoy (Jan 12, 2020 12:00AM)
So Jason, out of curiosity, if you don’t have background in card counting, how much work will TRS take? That’s the first item I want to tackle in the book!
Message: Posted by: JasonEngland (Jan 12, 2020 04:22AM)
Apart from being inspired by a multi-level count employed by a famous blackjack author (and friend of Steve's), it has little to do with actual card counting.

Jason
Message: Posted by: chappy (Jan 12, 2020 05:05AM)
When it's published I am sure a few new applications will spring forth though in card routines, card memory demonstrations etc.
Message: Posted by: skillzilla (Jan 12, 2020 09:45AM)
Jason, when will the 10 dollar kindle version of the book be released?
Message: Posted by: ImpromptuBoy (Jan 12, 2020 11:59AM)
[quote]On Jan 12, 2020, skillzilla wrote:
Jason, when will the 10 dollar kindle version of the book be released? [/quote]

LOL
Message: Posted by: reese (Jan 12, 2020 11:11PM)
I've never been so excited about a book release since Bob Farmer announced his massive bar-bet book, coming out in the next decade or so. (Of course, he said that quite a few years ago)
Message: Posted by: ASW (Jan 13, 2020 05:49AM)
[quote]On Jan 12, 2020, reese wrote:
I've never been so excited about a book release since Bob Farmer announced his massive bar-bet book, coming out in the next decade or so. (Of course, he said that quite a few years ago) [/quote]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kZci3eOafK0
Message: Posted by: reese (Jan 19, 2020 12:49AM)
Hey man, if it ever comes out... for me it will be just as exciting. In different ways sure. Still thrilling.
But that's me. Not you. I love that we're different. It adds to the world... doesn't it?
Message: Posted by: Eoin OHare (Jan 19, 2020 01:55AM)
I wish people would stop posting in this thread.
With every post notification I keep thinking the Forte book is out!

Apologies for this post if you are doing the same.
Message: Posted by: Scharin (Jan 25, 2020 08:26AM)
Meir Yedid just posted an announcement of the release of the Steve Forte book. Available now for pre-order at www.gamblingsleightofhand.com. Ship date is Feb 10. You know I ordered mine!
Message: Posted by: Scharin (Jan 25, 2020 08:30AM)
The table of contents looks amazing!

TABLE OF CONTENTS

Dedication - Ray Goulet
Foreword - Bill Malone
Preface
Acknowledgments

Chapter 1 - Gambling Sleight of Hand - The Hobby

Gambling Sleight of Hand as a Hobby . . . 2
Studying Gambling Sleight of Hand . . . 11
Technical Considerations . . . 21
Cheaters and Magicians . . . 31
Practice . . . 36
Last Thoughts . . . 47

Chapter 2 - False Shuffles

False Table Riffle Shuffles . . . 57
Legitimate Table Cuts and Strips . . . 69
False Table Cuts and Strips . . . 71
Carrying Slugs . . . 86
Positioning Cuts and Strips . . . 93
Riffling Down, Riffling Up . . . 102
False Shuffling Procedures . . . 112
The Push-through . . . 117
The Pull-out . . . 145
Zarrow Shuffle . . . 162
False Overhand Shuffles . . . 185
Off-the-table False Riffles, Strips, and Cuts . . . 200
Wash/Scramble . . . 223

Chapter 3 - Stacking and Culling

Overhand Shuffle Stacks . . . 230
Riffle Stacking . . . 242
Faro Stacking . . . 256
Culling . . . 272

Chapter 4 - Beating the Cut

Shifts . . . 280
Hops . . . 306
Drops . . . 320
False Cuts for Cutters . . . 323
Briefs . . . 329

Chapter 5 - False Deals

Strike Seconds . . . 352
Pushoff Seconds . . . 388
One-handed Seconds . . . 406
New Theory Second Deals . . . 417
The Bottom Deal . . . 437
Stud Bottoms . . . 451
One-handed Bottoms . . . 459
Bottom Deal Ploys . . . 462
New Theory Bottoms . . . 463
Thirds, Greek Bottoms, and Centers . . . 470

Chapter 6 - Peeks and Paper

Peeks . . . 478
Paper . . . 487

Chapter 7 - Mucks, Holding Out, Coolers, and More

Mucks . . . 506
Holding Out . . . 529
Coolers . . . 542
Palming . . . 566
A Few More Moves . . . 593

Chapter 8 - The Erdnase Factor

Observations . . . 612
Card Table Artifice . . . 617
Erdnase Systems of Blind Shuffles . . . 633
To Indicate the Location for the Cut . . . 644
Bottom Dealing . . . 646
Second Dealing . . . 652
Ordinary Methods of Stocking, Locating and Securing . . . 655
Stock Shuffle . . . 658
Erdnase System of Stock Shuffling . . . 660
Erdnase System of Cull Shuffling . . . 664
Erdnase System of Palming . . . 666
To Maintain the Bottom Palm While Dealing . . . 670
To Hold Location of Cut While Dealing . . . 672
Shifts . . . 673
To Ascertain Top Cards (Riffling) and Reserve Them at the Bottom . . . 677
Mode of Holding the Hand . . . 679
Skinning the Hand . . . 679
The Player Without an Ally . . . 681
Three Card Monte . . . 688
The Revelations . . . 689
The Thought Process . . . 689
Plagiarism . . . 690
Sub-par Gambling Moves . . . 701
Omissions . . . 707
Oddities . . . 712
Did Erdnase Violate His Own Principles? . . . 718
Magic . . . 720
Annotators . . . 725
Opposing Views . . . 729
Conclusions . . . 736

Chapter 9 - Pseudo Gambling Stunts

Cutting the Aces . . . 746
The Stunts . . . 771
False Shuffle & Cut Demonstrations . . . 843
Stacking and Culling Demonstrations . . . 889
False Dealing Demonstrations . . . 926
Other Dealing Demonstrations . . . 953
Gambling Routines . . . 958
Odds and Ends . . . 979
Flourishes . . . 996
Fakes . . . 1012
Impressions . . . 1029
Total Recall Scanning . . . 1037

Chapter 10 - Closing Thoughts

Personal Decisions . . . 1045
Perspective . . . 1046
Conversations . . . 1046
Beginners . . . 1049
Experienced Cardmen . . . 1050
Recap . . . 1050
Volume 3? . . . 1053
Errors . . . 1053
Good Luck . . . 1053

Appendix . . . 1055

Index
References . . . 1061
Names . . . 1064
Moves, Stunts, Principles . . . 1067
Chapter Photo Pages . . . 1085
Message: Posted by: SteGician (Jan 25, 2020 09:06AM)
Omg I pre ordered! still can't believe! I'm cryng
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Jan 25, 2020 11:00AM)
Order in as well. This will become the Gambling Bible of all time.

Steve
Message: Posted by: Bill Malone (Jan 25, 2020 05:51PM)
This book will forever change the way we think about sleight of hand with cards. The Pseudo chapter is loaded with things that will fool magicians and laymen. You will learn even the basic moves we perform everyday can be brought to another level of deception. You purchase will be repaid many times! Buy this book, it has completely changed the ways I handle playing cards. Steve Forte is the best card handler I have ever met. Learn step by step from the very best!
Message: Posted by: CARDTALK (Jan 25, 2020 06:19PM)
Wow, that is an amazingly humble thing to say Bill and I know you mean every word of it!
Message: Posted by: Jerry (Jan 25, 2020 07:57PM)
Cardtalk, I don't know, this Bill dude has only posted 13 times.
Do you think he really knows what he is talking about?
Message: Posted by: Expertmagician (Jan 25, 2020 08:04PM)
I just purchased 2 copies.... one to read and take notes in. The other to save.

I was lucky enough to meet Steve once, several years back for many hours at him home in Vegas...I still cherish the memory of seeing him work up close and in person.
Not only is he technically great.... but, he is a very nice guy as a person !

I look forward to receiving this "to be" classic soon :-)
Message: Posted by: psschwei (Jan 25, 2020 08:05PM)
There's a "TV Center Deal" listed as one of the False Dealing demonstrations... is that the "Hidden Secrets of Magic" one?
Message: Posted by: CARDTALK (Jan 25, 2020 11:03PM)
[quote]On Jan 25, 2020, Jerry wrote:
Cardtalk, I don't know, this Bill dude has only posted 13 times.
Do you think he really knows what he is talking about? [/quote]

I think he might have an idea! I am quite sure he knows his way around a deck of cards lol....
Message: Posted by: JTM (Jan 27, 2020 12:52AM)
Will this be the only store selling the book? For shipping to europe the store charges $63.
In addition to this the customs charges 19% taxes of the total which make a total of $433 to get the book, which is a little bit over the top.
Message: Posted by: The Dowser (Jan 27, 2020 04:41AM)
I would pay it.....
It's the book that is over the top
Message: Posted by: splice (Jan 27, 2020 06:33AM)
[quote]On Jan 27, 2020, JTM wrote:
Will this be the only store selling the book? For shipping to europe the store charges $63.
In addition to this the customs charges 19% taxes of the total which make a total of $433 to get the book, which is a little bit over the top. [/quote]

Over 50% of the print run has sold out in 2 days. It's up to you to consider whether this long-awaited work from a master of gambling sleights who compiled over a thousand moves, stunts and thoughts in two 500-page volumes for us all to appreciate is worth $370 but not $433. It'll take anyone a decade to work through it all properly so think of it as pennies a day. If it's not reprinted or sold somewhere else, I'm not sure you'll be counting your saved $63 gladly or be happy that you made the right choice by skipping this œuvre in favour of a couple dozen bucks.
Message: Posted by: Bill Malone (Jan 27, 2020 11:28PM)
Forte Years of Research is now over 700 sold. Less than 300 copies left. This must be a record!!! It will be in my hands soon...
Message: Posted by: ImpromptuBoy (Jan 28, 2020 01:06AM)
I’m surprised it’s not completely sold out by now. Probably in a couple of days.
This is not the book of the year, or the decade, or even the century. It’ll probably be the greatest of all time!
Message: Posted by: Kimura (Jan 28, 2020 02:16AM)
I'm a little bit jealous of the US guys who get to read before us Europe guys.

Pinky promise you won't read it until we all get copies?
Message: Posted by: Mr. Bones (Jan 28, 2020 09:40AM)
The natural enthusiasm that surrounds anything Forte pens aside for a moment (which BTW isn't historically high in number) - I think anybody who is interested in this book but is just generally hesitating due to price or uncertainty will regret that hesitation within a day or two.

For those who might be waiting for a re-print with either the same price, or possibly a lower price ... disappointment may be all that's in store for you. Expensive magic books are historically a [b]very[/b] low volume item, and the requirements for a re-print [i]may[/i] not ever be met (on the other hand they might be, but personally I don't want to take that chance and spend years looking for a used copy of the book at $600.00+).

Certainly for those who procrastinated on purchasing Forte's big Gambling book, disappointment will likely be eternal.
Message: Posted by: House of Balloons (Jan 28, 2020 04:15PM)
Just in case your excitement has died down. Here's Meir Yedid interviewing Steve about his new book.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8euChuT3uo
Message: Posted by: CARDTALK (Jan 28, 2020 04:31PM)
Absolutely wonderful, Thank you for the link!.... Great to hear all this info from the great man himself! ....Soooooo EXCITED!
Message: Posted by: ImpromptuBoy (Jan 28, 2020 05:15PM)
House of Balloons,

Thanks for sharing the link!