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Topic: New book from Steve Forte
Message: Posted by: ImpromptuBoy (Feb 19, 2019 08:57PM)
Hey all,

Has anyone seen the Sal Piacente Penguin Lecture? Sal mentioned that Steve will be releasing a book and apparently his TRS system will be revealed in there (the system used in Sal's 'rain man' effect). Does anyone have more information on when Steve is planning to release this and approximate price?
Thanks!
Message: Posted by: tommy (Feb 19, 2019 10:26PM)
We have been hearing that he is about to release a new book for years and one day I guess he will.
Message: Posted by: ImpromptuBoy (Feb 19, 2019 11:55PM)
[quote]On Feb 19, 2019, tommy wrote:
We have been hearing that he is about to release a new book for years and one day I guess he will. [/quote]

LOL
Message: Posted by: Bobbycash (Feb 20, 2019 02:50AM)
Last update I heard was that photos were being taken.
Message: Posted by: byronblaq1 (Feb 20, 2019 04:06AM)
I’ve heard it’s about 6 months off. This was about two weeks ago.
Message: Posted by: jjsanvert (Feb 20, 2019 06:45AM)
Steve's book is over 1000 pages and on its way.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Bones (Feb 20, 2019 09:12AM)
Forte's books are excellent regardless of their specific subject matter.

As much as I enjoy reading and re-reading his Casino and Poker books, it's actually his "Read the Dealer" that's had the most impact on changing how I thought about cheating with playing cards.
This obviously goes back to a different Blackjack era, but it was with "Read the Dealer"' that I first felt I was reading actual inside information ... I still pull it out a re-read it regularly enough to be repeatedly impressed with what Forte had put to paper, much of it for the very first time.

Forte has, to date, seemed to have some of his "tricks" brought to light by others, Piacante and Malone among them. Those effects are routinely excellent, so this new book will no doubt be quite impressive regardless of what it contains.
I don't purchase "magic" books any longer, and never did purchase "memory" books, but a new Forte book would have to be an exception to that rule due to the broad depth of knowledge shown over the years by the author.
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Feb 20, 2019 10:38AM)
[quote]On Feb 20, 2019, jjsanvert wrote:
Steve's book is over 1000 pages and on its way. [/quote]

WOW, 1,000 pages. It's not a novel, is it?

Well, whatever it is I'm sure it will be excellent and a worthwhile purchase.
Message: Posted by: ImpromptuBoy (Feb 20, 2019 12:21PM)
Thanks for the info everybody! 1000 pages?! That'll keep me busy for a while!
Message: Posted by: jjsanvert (Feb 20, 2019 04:16PM)
And more than 1400 pictures. I am sure Jason can give much more details.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Feb 21, 2019 12:22PM)
My totally uneducated guess is that the book will have considerably fewer than 1000 pages in its finished form. I don't think the economics of book publishing will allow it.
Message: Posted by: popcalinda (Feb 22, 2019 03:03PM)
It should be two books set project
Message: Posted by: tommy (Feb 22, 2019 05:14PM)
What odds can I get about it not being out by Chrismas or is it illegal to gamble at this here Gambling Spot?
Message: Posted by: popcalinda (Feb 23, 2019 10:33AM)
It should be out in a few months, 4-5
Message: Posted by: JasonEngland (Feb 25, 2019 11:43PM)
I was present for 80% of the photoshoots (there were 5, I think). I have a 1000 page draft on my desktop, with photos in place. Aiming to go to press very soon. Whether that means weeks or months is tough to say, but definitely out before the fall. 2 volumes in a slipcase. No other way to produce anything that big. About 10 guys have read it already. All of them say the same thing: I needed this 30 years ago!

Jason
Message: Posted by: supremefiction (Feb 26, 2019 08:30AM)
Thank you Jason. Will there be a mailing list or some other best method to get advance notice, to be ready to place an order? Like a waiting list.
Message: Posted by: supremefiction (Feb 26, 2019 09:28AM)
The Bible had two volumes also. Coincidence?
Message: Posted by: scottvraneshfallin (Feb 26, 2019 11:48AM)
[quote]On Feb 25, 2019, JasonEngland wrote:
About 10 guys have read it already. All of them say the same thing: I needed this 30 years ago!

Jason [/quote]

I suppose there is a benefit to my getting serious about playing cards so late in life. I'll be able to benefit from this knowledge.
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Feb 26, 2019 01:29PM)
#Jason: Sounds interesting. Can you give us some idea as to what this two volume set covers?
Message: Posted by: Paul H (Feb 26, 2019 02:31PM)
Hi Cag,

There have been glimpses of what this double volume may contain. I first heard about it from Jason Englands download 'At the Card Table'. Richard Hatch via the internet asked him to confirm that the book was real. Jason generously obliged saying it was a tomb specifically written for the magical community. He further stated that he had seen some of the work on 'Expert at the Card Table' and it had blown him away. As mentioned by Impromptu boy Steve Forte's mysterious TRS memory system will also be explained for the first time. Im also guessing that many of Steve's hand mucking moves, deck switches and so forth will be exposed. This is but a fraction of what we can expect and I'm sure those of us who really care about excellence in card handling and technique will be frantically waving credit cards, cheque books and bankers drafts when it becomes available. I know I will.

Best wishes,

Pau H
Message: Posted by: jjsanvert (Feb 26, 2019 05:11PM)
Some 180 pages of comments on Erdnase, some 80 methods to get the 4 aces (Steve’s favorite effect), shuffles, moves - you name it.
I already know it will be the greatest work ever done on the subject, by the greatest expert ever.
Message: Posted by: byronblaq1 (Feb 26, 2019 06:11PM)
Can’t wait.
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Feb 26, 2019 09:34PM)
[quote]On Feb 26, 2019, Paul H wrote:
Hi Cag,

... This is but a fraction of what we can expect and I'm sure those of us who really care about excellence in card handling and technique will be frantically waving credit cards, cheque books and bankers drafts when it becomes available. I know I will.

Pau H [/quote]

Thanks Paul. Do you think it advisable to move significant funds from offshore accounts to be ready to make this purchase?
Message: Posted by: Expertmagician (Feb 26, 2019 09:40PM)
May I ask if it will have much of the same material that was in Steve's Casino and Poker books ?
Will there be a lot of new information, ideas and perspectives ?
Approximately what % repeat ?
Message: Posted by: jjsanvert (Feb 26, 2019 11:42PM)
From what I wrote, you can expect a lot more informations. I mean a lot.
Fully explained with over 1400 photos.
Message: Posted by: Paul H (Feb 27, 2019 12:58AM)
[quote]On Feb 26, 2019, Cagliostro wrote:
[quote]On Feb 26, 2019, Paul H wrote:
Hi Cag,

... This is but a fraction of what we can expect and I'm sure those of us who really care about excellence in card handling and technique will be frantically waving credit cards, cheque books and bankers drafts when it becomes available. I know I will.

Pau H [/quote]

Thanks Paul. Do you think it advisable to move significant funds from offshore accounts to be ready to make this purchase? [/quote]

An excellent precaution to avoid bankrupcy and disappointment🤓
:pirate:
Message: Posted by: JasonEngland (Feb 27, 2019 04:50AM)
[quote]On Feb 26, 2019, Expertmagician wrote:
May I ask if it will have much of the same material that was in Steve's Casino and Poker books ?
Will there be a lot of new information, ideas and perspectives ?
Approximately what % repeat ? [/quote]

There is virtually zero overlap. This book is the 1000 page written version of sessioning with Steve for 10 hours.

Jason
Message: Posted by: Peterson (Feb 27, 2019 10:08AM)
Will it be limited in copies? How many copies at start?
Message: Posted by: popcalinda (Feb 27, 2019 12:20PM)
Can we preorder? :)
Message: Posted by: JasonEngland (Feb 27, 2019 01:10PM)
Undecided on number of copies, but ~ 1500 is what we've been discussing. Plenty to go around. Because of the size, it'll be expensive - in the neighborhood of $300 US plus shipping.

No preordering yet, but we have discussed it and it will probably be an option once the books are at the printer.

Jason
Message: Posted by: Peterson (Feb 27, 2019 02:22PM)
Thank you for the heads-up Jason.
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Feb 27, 2019 04:22PM)
The Gambling Spot has been pretty quiet and then some guy by the name of Steve Forte writes a book, which has not even been published yet, and this BB comes to life.

Who is this guy? His name sounds familiar but I can't quite place him.

But whatever he is doing it has piqued my curiosity. Hope he knows something about card moves.
Message: Posted by: Expertmagician (Feb 27, 2019 07:51PM)
[quote]On Feb 27, 2019, JasonEngland wrote:
[quote]On Feb 26, 2019, Expertmagician wrote:
May I ask if it will have much of the same material that was in Steve's Casino and Poker books ?
Will there be a lot of new information, ideas and perspectives ?
Approximately what % repeat ? [/quote]

There is virtually zero overlap. This book is the 1000 page written version of sessioning with Steve for 10 hours.

Jason [/quote]


Great news ! Thanks !
Message: Posted by: Bobbycash (Feb 28, 2019 01:32AM)
Looking forward to it Jason!
Message: Posted by: ImpromptuBoy (Feb 28, 2019 07:16PM)
Thanks for the info Jason, looking forward to this project!
Message: Posted by: andrew_green (Mar 27, 2019 05:32AM)
Awesome! This is fantastic to hear, I'm looking forward to it :)
Message: Posted by: tommy (Mar 27, 2019 09:15AM)
Is the book a "New book from Steve Forte" or a New book from Jason based on sessioning with Steve for 10 hours?
Message: Posted by: scottvraneshfallin (Mar 27, 2019 10:40AM)
[quote]On Mar 27, 2019, tommy wrote:
Is the book a "New book from Steve Forte" or a New book from Jason based on sessioning with Steve for 10 hours? [/quote]

The consensus seems to be Mr. Forte wrote this book.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Mar 27, 2019 02:09PM)
"This book is the 1000 page written version of sessioning with Steve for 10 hours." -Jason

What does that mean?
Message: Posted by: tommy (Mar 27, 2019 06:33PM)
The consensus seems to be you don't know. :)
Message: Posted by: Bobbycash (Mar 27, 2019 11:17PM)
The book is written by Steve, I think the analogy is that it is what would Steve show you if you sessioned with him for 10 hours
Message: Posted by: tommy (Mar 29, 2019 01:59AM)
I see. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: AntonF (Apr 23, 2019 01:16AM)
Will the book include any DVD or link to the performance of the moves. That will be interesting...
Message: Posted by: ImpromptuBoy (Apr 23, 2019 05:17PM)
[quote]On Apr 23, 2019, AntonF wrote:
Will the book include any DVD or link to the performance of the moves. That will be interesting... [/quote]

That would be awesome! I doubt there would be any footage though. But if there are 1400 photographs like jjsanvert had mentioned, there's your footage right there LOL.

I'm anxiously waiting for an update regarding this project. Jason, As soon as a pre-order option becomes available, I'm in!
Message: Posted by: tommy (Apr 23, 2019 08:06PM)
Yes that it is a nice idea. Some prefer books and others prefer films and both would be good. I think it has been done more or less with Erdnase.
Message: Posted by: hcs (Apr 24, 2019 05:13AM)
[quote]On Apr 23, 2019, ImpromptuBoy wrote:
... I'm anxiously waiting for an update regarding this project. Jason, As soon as a pre-order option becomes available, I'm in![/quote]
Me too!
Message: Posted by: andrew_green (Apr 24, 2019 06:38AM)
Also would love to hear when pre-order may be available, exciting times!
Message: Posted by: AsL (Apr 27, 2019 03:29PM)
Count me in, too!
Message: Posted by: popcalinda (Apr 28, 2019 05:30AM)
Me too!
Message: Posted by: CARDTALK (Apr 29, 2019 04:22PM)
I think everyone is super excited. I haven't picked up a pack of cards for about 6 months now I feel like locking myself away in a room with just this new Forte book for a few months!. Looking forward to buying a copy!
Message: Posted by: ImpromptuBoy (Apr 29, 2019 06:58PM)
I think that's exactly what I'm going to do once I get the book 😁 Minus not picking up a deck for 6 months lol but honestly, I don't think I've ever been so excited about a project like I am with this one. The suspense is killing me!
Message: Posted by: CARDTALK (Apr 30, 2019 10:25AM)
Me too, I think I will be here every day for updates. Maybe Jason will be the first to come back with any updates and more importantly where we can pre-order!
Message: Posted by: ImpromptuBoy (Apr 30, 2019 12:25PM)
[quote]On Apr 30, 2019, CARDTALK wrote:
Me too, I think I will be here every day for updates. Maybe Jason will be the first to come back with any updates and more importantly where we can pre-order! [/quote]

Amen!
Message: Posted by: disgruntledpuffin (Apr 30, 2019 04:09PM)
As a minimalist I'm not usually one for pre-ordering or getting hugely excited about products. This is very different. I've been waiting for this book since before it was even confirmed to exist....just year after year of hoping it would one day be written! :rotf:
Message: Posted by: Jerry (Apr 30, 2019 07:37PM)
Put me down for a pre-order.
Message: Posted by: T.Koldo (May 1, 2019 08:55AM)
Waiting for the pre-order.
Message: Posted by: camron (May 1, 2019 04:08PM)
I just burned my library because I figure this will be the only card book I'll need, so hopefully this book really becomes a reality or I'm screwed!!!
Message: Posted by: CARDTALK (May 1, 2019 05:58PM)
[quote]On May 1, 2019, camron wrote:
I just burned my library because I figure this will be the only card book I'll need, so hopefully this book really becomes a reality or I'm screwed!!! [/quote]

Hahahaha.... that's funny.
Message: Posted by: blackstone99 (May 10, 2019 10:54AM)
Looks wonderful.
Message: Posted by: Scharin (May 31, 2019 07:37AM)
Any update on the Steve Forte book? Is there a website that we should be keeping an eye on or a mailing list we should be joining to ensure we get a copy when it is released?
Message: Posted by: Mr. Bones (May 31, 2019 08:51AM)
[quote]On May 31, 2019, Scharin wrote:
Any update on the Steve Forte book? Is there a website that we should be keeping an eye on or a mailing list we should be joining to ensure we get a copy when it is released? [/quote]

No, no, and no.
Message: Posted by: pf70ds (Jul 26, 2019 07:24PM)
Any update now on the project ?
Message: Posted by: ImpromptuBoy (Jul 26, 2019 10:47PM)
I look this up on Google every single day (that's how obsessed I am about this project LOL), no update yet. I'm sure we will find out about it pretty soon. Hope there's going to be a pre-order...
Message: Posted by: chappy (Jul 27, 2019 11:57PM)
The wait will be worthwhile. This book has everything. :wow:
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Jul 28, 2019 11:27AM)
I'm sure Forte's book will be quite excellent when and if it finally comes out.

However, reading all the posts on this thread about this book's possible debut has gotten me very excited and I don't think I ever had this much fun with my cloths on before. :goof:
Message: Posted by: JasonEngland (Aug 22, 2019 08:58PM)
To update all those interested in the progress of Steve's book.

I've spent the last 2 days and again all day tomorrow at his house cleaning up the final draft with him. We've made some interesting discoveries and had a few laughs all at the same time, but rest assured, these are long writing/editing days. I argue with him over certain sections and I've won some and lost some. He has also gone through this process with over half a dozen other content editors and proofreaders. All of them have done a tremendous job with what is a massive (1000+ pages) book.

We're close. Very close.

Thank you for your patience.

Jason
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Aug 22, 2019 09:16PM)
Thanks for the update Jason. No doubt about the information in those pages.

Best

Steve
Message: Posted by: jasonffx (Aug 23, 2019 09:33AM)
Glad to hear that Jason. I am very excited for Steve’s new book. Hope he can teach something like ruffle cull, 52 move sets and other cool stuff in the book. A video performance and slow motion on the moves would be great as it will help the learning. Can’t wait to preorder. I am not from US but I hope this book is available for international buyers.
Message: Posted by: ssibal (Aug 23, 2019 08:31PM)
Look forward to the pre-order.
Message: Posted by: ImpromptuBoy (Aug 23, 2019 10:17PM)
Looking forward to the finished product Jason, I know it'll be epic!
Message: Posted by: disgruntledpuffin (Aug 23, 2019 11:27PM)
[quote]On Aug 22, 2019, JasonEngland wrote:
To update all those interested in the progress of Steve's book.

I've spent the last 2 days and again all day tomorrow at his house cleaning up the final draft with him. We've made some interesting discoveries and had a few laughs all at the same time, but rest assured, these are long writing/editing days. I argue with him over certain sections and I've won some and lost some. He has also gone through this process with over half a dozen other content editors and proofreaders. All of them have done a tremendous job with what is a massive (1000+ pages) book.

We're close. Very close.

Thank you for your patience.

Jason [/quote]

Jason,

If you could make sure it's this year, I'd appreciate it. I'm getting married next year and I really don't want to have to spend eternity lying to my wife about what the highlight of 2020 was.

Cheers,

Jack
Message: Posted by: holdingoutflat (Aug 24, 2019 05:07PM)
[quote]On Aug 23, 2019, disgruntledpuffin wrote:

Jason,

If you could make sure it's this year, I'd appreciate it. I'm getting married next year and I really don't want to have to spend eternity lying to my wife about what the highlight of 2020 was.

Cheers,

Jack [/quote]

And that's how you get it all figured out. Well done.
Message: Posted by: Bobbycash (Aug 24, 2019 08:42PM)
[quote]On Aug 24, 2019, disgruntledpuffin wrote:
[quote]On Aug 22, 2019, JasonEngland wrote:
To update all those interested in the progress of Steve's book.

I've spent the last 2 days and again all day tomorrow at his house cleaning up the final draft with him. We've made some interesting discoveries and had a few laughs all at the same time, but rest assured, these are long writing/editing days. I argue with him over certain sections and I've won some and lost some. He has also gone through this process with over half a dozen other content editors and proofreaders. All of them have done a tremendous job with what is a massive (1000+ pages) book.

We're close. Very close.

Thank you for your patience.

Jason [/quote]

Jason,

If you could make sure it's this year, I'd appreciate it. I'm getting married next year and I really don't want to have to spend eternity lying to my wife about what the highlight of 2020 was.

Cheers,

Jack [/quote]

Jack,
This might be my favourite post this year!
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Aug 25, 2019 04:05PM)
@JasonEngland:

Hmmm. 1,000 pages. Now that is a BIG book...and maybe a little unwieldy to handle and read?

I was thinking, why not break it down into two or three separate volumes, each volume could probably be specific as to certain subject areas.

Much easier to handle that way and also, with a two or three volume set, each volume could be purchased separately as needed (if each volume was specific to certain subjects).

Just a thought.
Message: Posted by: JasonEngland (Aug 25, 2019 06:17PM)
Cag,

It's going to be 2 volumes.

Jason
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Aug 25, 2019 09:38PM)
Thanks Jason, two volumes sounds good.
Message: Posted by: pf70ds (Aug 27, 2019 06:01AM)
Jason, are all the photos or illustration done ? Is it laid out just going through the final proofread ? Will books be out by years end ?
Message: Posted by: JasonEngland (Aug 27, 2019 02:22PM)
All photos are done and in place. Layout is 99% done and final proofreading is being accomplished now. Year's end is very likely, barring any unforeseen problems.

Jason
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Aug 27, 2019 02:54PM)
Merry Christmas to me!!!!
Message: Posted by: tommy (Aug 27, 2019 07:15PM)
[quote]On Feb 22, 2019, tommy wrote:
What odds can I get about it not being out by Chrismas or is it illegal to gamble at this here Gambling Spot? [/quote]
Message: Posted by: holdingoutflat (Aug 27, 2019 10:30PM)
Oh boy, Christmas is going to be a good one this year
Message: Posted by: lagoss (Aug 27, 2019 11:51PM)
I literally cannot wait...
Message: Posted by: jasonffx (Aug 28, 2019 04:12AM)
Please don't be too expensive
Message: Posted by: Kimura (Aug 28, 2019 07:51AM)
[quote]On Aug 28, 2019, jasonffx wrote:
Please don't be too expensive [/quote]

It'll be worth every penny, I am sure.
Message: Posted by: andrew_green (Aug 28, 2019 08:45AM)
Exciting news! I'm looking forward to pre-ordering if that's an option :)
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Aug 28, 2019 12:09PM)
[quote]On Aug 28, 2019, andrew_green wrote:
Exciting news! I'm looking forward to pre-ordering if that's an option :) [/quote]

Of course you can pre-order. In fact I am handling all the pre-orders.

To be assured of getting a copy, fresh off the presses before the ink even dries, just send Cagliostro a money order for $1,495 and your order will be handled first. You will go to the head of the line and it should be a very long line.

For the real enthusiast, add another $500.00 to your order and we will include an autographed photo of Steve Forte holding a pair of dice in one hand and a deck of cards in the other.

Oh, just joking guys.

:rotf:
Message: Posted by: popcalinda (Aug 29, 2019 06:00PM)
Please start pre-orders a few months before the Christmas :)
Message: Posted by: JasonEngland (Oct 8, 2019 09:54PM)
For those wanting an update:

The book is essentially done, barring a few last-minute edits. I'd say it's 99% laid out, the cover is done, and there are only 2 chapters left to finish copy-editing. All of the full-size, high-resolution photos are in place. To be honest, Steve is mostly waiting on me to finish looking over the last 2 chapters. But...since I'm working through everything with cards in hand, it takes time. Still, it has to be done this way as I occasionally find small things that need to be corrected.

A website has been created but has not got live yet. Not sure if we'll do pre-orders or not, but you're looking at a roughly $300 - 350 price point, depending on where you live.

I can tell you this: I've spent the last 13 years practically living next door to Steve and have shuffled cards with him probably 200 times in that period. There's stuff in this book I've never seen before.

About every 50 pages or so I see something that makes me thing, "Well. I've been doing that wrong for 30 years."

It's pretty amazing to say the least.

I wish Rod, Johnny, and Ricky had lived to see it.

Jason
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Oct 8, 2019 10:49PM)
Thanks for such good report Jason. What a work of art and dedication this must be. What a friend Steve must be. To rub shoulder's with a legend and be a part of such a project is awesome. Thanks for the update and your friendship.

Best

Steve
Message: Posted by: Peterson (Oct 9, 2019 02:34PM)
Thank you for the update!
Message: Posted by: Bobbycash (Oct 9, 2019 10:34PM)
Fantastic news! Looking forward to it.
Message: Posted by: jasonffx (Oct 10, 2019 09:20AM)
It is about time for me to buy this book
Message: Posted by: jasonffx (Oct 10, 2019 09:44AM)
Jason, just a suggestion. Is it possible to film the performances of the moves in the book? It may be easier to follow if there is are performances for the moves taught.
Message: Posted by: CARDTALK (Oct 10, 2019 05:51PM)
Really looking forward to buying a copy or two Jason. I for one really appreciate the updates. It seems like a pre-2020 release is more than likely. I will keep coming back sporadically for any updates.
Message: Posted by: Paul H (Oct 12, 2019 04:39PM)
Hi Jason,
Many thanks for the update. Really appreciated. It really does sound like an extraordinary project and feels a privilege to be able to buy such an important ground breaking book.
Best wishes,

Paul h
Message: Posted by: pf70ds (Oct 13, 2019 11:15AM)
Jason, it would be great if you list a table of contents of the books on the new website for when the books are ready to be ordered ( or maybe before :) .Thanks MiIke
Message: Posted by: The Dowser (Oct 13, 2019 05:57PM)
I have to chuckle at some go the comments in reaction to this new book coming out. I know we can't expect everyone in our "fraternity" to realize or understand how lucky we are to even have the possibility of Steve sharing his knowledge with us in book form.
There is NO ONE producing ANYTHING (whether it be books or video) right now that even comes close to what he can offer us.
It's natural to ask about things before making a hefty purchase or to suggest things like splitting it up into smaller volumes etc. (I guess)... but I just can't help but think that if you need to ask about the table of contents, or ask for supporting videos, than this book may not be for you (as elitist as that may sound... it's really true). The mere existence of this book will affect our little fraternity of sleight of hand enthusiasts the same way a visit from an advanced alien civilization that offered to share their technology would affect the earth. I for one will not be looking this gift horse in the mouth.
Message: Posted by: pf70ds (Oct 13, 2019 07:46PM)
THe table of contents was only meant to review and look forward to . The purchase of the set of books is a given regardless . It is true, it is Steve Forte .
Message: Posted by: Mr. Bones (Oct 14, 2019 11:29AM)
It’s probably par for the course to see this kind of giddy anticipation ... although I could definitely do without the “giddy” posts ... there’s little doubt that the book will bring out all kinds of buyers - from kids suggesting SF record every move on video so they can “understand it better”, to long time members of this forum who will recognize the importance of his choosing to publish some of his closely held work from outside of game protection.

Probably his swan song, it’s a good thing that his work will cement SF’s importance to the broader world of card work beyond game protection ... he certainly deserves to sell as many copies as he can possibly print.
Message: Posted by: The Dowser (Oct 14, 2019 01:34PM)
Typo correction...
could some one with the ability to edit be having a "go" at me?

[quote]On Oct 13, 2019, The Dowser wrote:
I have to chuckle at some of the comments in reaction to this new book coming out. I know we can't expect everyone in our "fraternity" to realize or understand how lucky we are to even have the possibility of Steve sharing his knowledge with us in book form.
There is NO ONE producing ANYTHING (whether it be books or video) right now that even comes close to what he can offer us.
It's natural to ask about things before making a hefty purchase or to suggest things like splitting it up into smaller volumes etc. (I guess)... but I just can't help but think that if you need to ask about the table of contents, or ask for supporting videos, than this book may not be for you (as elitist as that may sound... it's really true). The mere existence of this book will affect our little fraternity of sleight of hand enthusiasts the same way a visit from an advanced alien civilization that offered to share their technology would affect the earth. I for one will not be looking this gift horse in the mouth. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: The Dowser (Oct 14, 2019 01:37PM)
I was told that when Steve's book comes out people are going to forget about Erdnase.
Message: Posted by: Vishal Amlani (Oct 15, 2019 08:02AM)
Is it just me or does anyone else feel the less attention this book gets the better it is for the gambling community? I am no expert when it comes to the actual card handling or knowledge of gambling sleights but from what I've seen and heard of Steve Forte, the less commercial promotion this book gets, the better its value would be. I hope the high price shuns off a lot of the bandwagon...
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Oct 15, 2019 09:23AM)
[quote]On Oct 15, 2019, Vishal Amlani wrote:

Is it just me or does anyone else feel the less attention this book gets the better it is for the gambling community? [/quote]

I have not seen the book and have zero knowledge of its actual contents so I am speculating here. However, I do have a lot of knowledge about actual gambling ploys that have been used and are being used, both in professional poker and other casino card games and my guess would be that Forte's book and its revelations would have little or no effect on the gambling community.

I would speculate that the book is designed for the magician, demonstrator and "gambling expert" genre. Yes, Forte is a very skillful and a knowledgeable manipulator of playing cards, and many of the things he does are very clever and no doubt "new" to most if not all who may buy his book. How practical much of this material would be in today's professional gaming world environment may be moot.

As far as professional hustlers go, 99% of these guys would probably not even be aware of Forte's book nor would they have a great interest in buying it. They do what they do and if they are successful in professional poker and/or casino game hustling, I would guess that Forte's book would have little to offer them. Most of the old and venerable "gambling" type moves are passe in today's professional gambling environment, regardless of how many variations, twists and innovations one comes up with.

However, for the magician, hobbyist, student, demonstrator and the like, I am sure Forte's book will offer a "candy shop" treasure trove of dazzling moves, methods and ideas - enough to delight any "move junkie" for quite some time. However, how practical much of this would be to hustlers might be quite questionable.

But of course, without seeing the book I can't give more than a "speculative" commentary. But generally speaking, gambling type "moves" in today's professional world of gambling are primarily for magicians and the like, not for successful high-end hustlers.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Bones (Oct 16, 2019 12:14PM)
If hard core gambling is your thing, then you'll already own Forte's two big books - [b]Casino Game Protection[/b] and [b]Poker Protection[/b] (maybe even [b]Read the Dealer [/b]if you're a completist).
I'd anticipate this pending release is intended more for the fan of card handing undertaken primarily to entertain oneself, and for the entertainment of others.

Invariably there will be an abundance of contents of the new book that were previously unknown to a wide variety of readers, although this has little to do with hard core gambling, and everything to do with the fact that SF is a master of the craft, and in personal possession of far, far more interesting and entertaining "moves" than [i]any[/i] of his potential readers.
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Oct 16, 2019 10:03PM)
For those who might be interested in getting some info on what hardcore gambling is, here is a nice article explaining same:

https://www.gamblingsites.org/blog/ten-things-hardcore-gamblers-casual-gamblers-dont/

Sorry guy, no moves here. :arg:
Message: Posted by: Peterson (Oct 17, 2019 01:20AM)
Wait, is the rule 7 Practice? Must be a fake article.
Message: Posted by: Vishal Amlani (Oct 17, 2019 05:28AM)
@Cagliostro - Sorry I may not have come across clearly enough. When I referred to the "gambling community", I wasn't entirely referring to professional hustlers. My inclination was more towards the people from this forum who have a much greater affiliation towards gambling sleights and demonstrations.

Or, or, maybe its just my wish to be a part of a relatively exclusive club of people who can potentially get their hands on this book! haha

On a more serious note, and like you rightly mentioned, this is clearly speculation but I would like to believe that a lot of the routines/techniques that will be published in this book are slightly more advanced and caters to an audience for whom the sleights go beyond using it for "magic" purposes (whom I believe are a majority of the people).

It's a bit hard for me to explain but I hope you understand where I'm coming from.
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Oct 17, 2019 01:22PM)
[quote]On Oct 16, 2019, Peterson wrote:
Wait, is the rule 7 Practice? Must be a fake article. [/quote]

Yup. You are absolutely correct. The concept of practicing to improve one's game is not realistic. Practice is onerous and time consuming. Practicing to improve one performance or technique is obviously ridiculous.

Glad you picked up on that and of course as you suggest it makes the entire article bogus.
Message: Posted by: JasonEngland (Oct 17, 2019 05:15PM)
To clarify, this book is 99.9% “fun stuff.”

It’s Steve’s assemblage of 40 years of gambling techniques that others have shared with him or that he’s created himself packaged in such a way to be of interest to mainly a magician audience. The techniques are certainly real and in most cases came from the gambling tables. But the context is directed towards having a good time not cheating scenarios.

Jason

PS: That 0.01% comes from the fact that sometimes it’s necessary to describe a cheating scenario to make a larger point about a move or technique.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Oct 17, 2019 07:57PM)
We have won a bit at side games like Kalooki using fun stuff. In such games, the hardest part is not the move but rather the hustling: finding the right customer and luring him to play and so on. Do you fellows play Gin?