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Topic: Need Help Finding Pellikaan False Count
Message: Posted by: supremefiction (Feb 21, 2019 09:00AM)
Hello,

Can anyone point me to the name or source of the modified Elmsley count used here? It involves pulling the bottom packet out and placing it on top.

https://youtu.be/buKxviE_FnQ

I think I have seen it on one of Mr. Pellikaan's videos but for the life of me cannot find it there or elsewhere.

BTW check out the entire Pellikaan YT channel if you have not already. There are some things in here which will blow your mind even if you are generally tuned in to the methods.

Thanks.
Message: Posted by: IncantoMagic (Feb 21, 2019 03:00PM)
Am I missing something? Its just an Elmsley count. He is just moving his right hand more than his left hand, as he peels off the top card.
Message: Posted by: Dollarbill (Feb 21, 2019 04:47PM)
Most likely Lybrary.com 👌
Message: Posted by: Chris (Feb 21, 2019 10:26PM)
I would say this is his "2 as 4 Count" https://www.lybrary.com/2-as-4-count-p-585519.html
Message: Posted by: supremefiction (Feb 22, 2019 08:41AM)
Thanks for the responses. I have the material from the great lybrary.com and can't seem to find it. It is not the 2-4 count, which involves just a straight switch of card and packet. IncantoMagic: It involves pulling the bottom packet out and placing it on top. This is a displacement not found in the basic Elmsley. In part that is how the jacks appear in sequence. I believe he is using eight cards in total here.
Message: Posted by: mlippo (Feb 22, 2019 09:09AM)
Could it be an OPEC (Out of Position Elmsley Count)?

Mark
Message: Posted by: Chris (Feb 22, 2019 10:48AM)
[quote]On Feb 22, 2019, supremefiction wrote:
Thanks for the responses. I have the material from the great lybrary.com and can't seem to find it.[/quote]
All your purchases at Lybrary.com are archived in your digital shelf. Login, go to the digital shelf, and you will be able to download all your past purchases, even if they were made 20 years ago! Talk about commitment to customer service :-)
Message: Posted by: supremefiction (Feb 23, 2019 08:57AM)
Thanks for trying, people.

Yes, lybrary is great.
Message: Posted by: supremefiction (Feb 23, 2019 09:19AM)
I just tried one last time to figure it out and am giving up.

I noticed in the video Mr. Pellikaan appears to be wearing his pyjamas.
Message: Posted by: supremefiction (Feb 26, 2019 06:40AM)
OK, by putting on my pajamas (and using Excel, no joke) I figured out the count. I will post the solution in the Secret Sessions.
Message: Posted by: stickmondoo (Feb 27, 2019 01:26PM)
He is doing the count that Sam Schwartz uses in Back Flip.
Message: Posted by: supremefiction (Mar 7, 2019 04:09PM)
Stickmondoo: you nailed it, friend. Very smart! Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Josho (May 1, 2019 11:20AM)
[quote]On Feb 21, 2019, supremefiction wrote:
Hello,

Can anyone point me to the name or source of the modified Elmsley count used here? It involves pulling the bottom packet out and placing it on top.

https://youtu.be/buKxviE_FnQ

[/quote]

That's a great little packet effect -- I like it much better than his new "Turn" effect. What's the name of it, and is it available anywhere?
Message: Posted by: supremefiction (May 1, 2019 07:21PM)
So far as I know it is not commercially available. Just called what the title is on youtube.
Message: Posted by: KokoB (May 2, 2019 08:14AM)
[quote]On Feb 21, 2019, Dollarbill wrote:
Most likely Lybrary.com 👌 [/quote]

Hello there that's not the Elmsley count.. its the 2 for 4 count.. He is the Master of counts in my opinion.
Message: Posted by: CardGuyMike (May 2, 2019 11:28AM)
Peter is really good with counts -- and with wax -- but he relies heavily on two counts that you don't tend to see a lot. One is the 2 for 4 count, and he makes it look a lot easier than it is. The other is the Taytelbaum count (from Eddy Taytelbaum).
Message: Posted by: KokoB (May 4, 2019 07:14AM)
[quote]On May 2, 2019, CardGuyMike wrote:
Peter is really good with counts -- and with wax -- but he relies heavily on two counts that you don't tend to see a lot. One is the 2 for 4 count, and he makes it look a lot easier than it is. The other is the Taytelbaum count (from Eddy Taytelbaum). [/quote]


Thanks mike never knew what that 2nd count was..
Message: Posted by: John McLaughlin (May 6, 2019 09:45PM)
I just purchased Peterís new effect ďTurnĒ from penguin magic. Great effect if I can get the count down as smoothly as his does it. Explanation video goes over the count just enough to give you a basic idea of the mechanics.
Message: Posted by: Josho (May 7, 2019 07:54AM)
[quote]On May 6, 2019, John McLaughlin wrote:
I just purchased Peterís new effect ďTurnĒ from penguin magic. Great effect if I can get the count down as smoothly as his does it. Explanation video goes over the count just enough to give you a basic idea of the mechanics. [/quote]

In the demo, that first move of the count seems absolutely glaring to me. The rhythm is different, there is a pause, the fingers visibly adjust in an odd way. I wanted to buy it, but I thought, "If that's Peter in the demo, and that's as good as the beginning of the count can look, there's no way I would ever present that to a lay audience." They may not know what exactly was done, but they will sure know [i]something[/i] was done.
Message: Posted by: John McLaughlin (May 7, 2019 11:27AM)
Itís not Peter in the instructions, Iím guessing Peter is not doing the demo either. I have seen videos of Peter doing the count, and it does look good in his hands.
Message: Posted by: John McLaughlin (May 7, 2019 11:35AM)
Demo is in Vanishing Inc. Donít know why I said Penguin. And itís credited to Daryl, which I think is incorrect. I Know itís in Brother John Hammondís Book, and Dan Garrett used in one of his effects.