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Topic: And Death, a Note Unsaid
Message: Posted by: Sudo Nimh (Feb 25, 2019 01:55PM)
[i]Life is for the living
Death is for the Dead
So let life be like music..
And Death, a note unsaid.[/i]

I posted this in "Penny" - where I'm usually found. It's been a while since I made a new offering to the bizarre community...so here it is.

This is a deadly strong effect using Tarot cards that comes with two versions. However, for those of you who are familiar with David Parr's [i]"A Game of Life and Death"[/i], this will also allow you to do a much stronger version of that effect with more theater, more interaction, and most importantly - with zero set-ups or gaffs and the climax ends in the participants hands - not on the table.

If you'd like a copy, shoot me a PM with your email addy.

[IMG]http://i65.tinypic.com/5dt8i8.png[/IMG]
Message: Posted by: Seance (Feb 25, 2019 02:08PM)
I tried to PM you, but you've hit the 60 topics limit. Just an FYI...
Message: Posted by: Sudo Nimh (Feb 25, 2019 02:18PM)
Yep - that's going to be an ongoing problem considering I'm sharing 3 different effects here on the Cafť simultaneously. Patience. I will try to get room freed up as soon as I can - it takes a long time to reply to everyone's pm's.
Message: Posted by: Seance (Feb 25, 2019 02:22PM)
A testament to a popular and very giving person. Thanks for the offering!
Message: Posted by: matthu (Feb 25, 2019 02:33PM)
I have also tried to PM you with similar result - but prepared to wait. Thanks for your generous offer!
Message: Posted by: Perkins (Feb 25, 2019 02:58PM)
Love your work, sir. I'll get in line as well.

Best,
Perkins
Message: Posted by: lin (Feb 25, 2019 04:04PM)
OH! Sudo, I'm a huge fan. I'll get in line too. Thank you.
Message: Posted by: professortango (Feb 25, 2019 05:08PM)
Sounds interesting! I'll queue up. :
Message: Posted by: Station10 (Feb 25, 2019 07:44PM)
Everything I've seen from Sudo has been top notch and ingenious. Like others I'm a huge fan of him and his work, not to mention his generosity to the community here.

John
Message: Posted by: Penduluminary (Feb 26, 2019 04:44AM)
Sudo... thank you for the generous offer. I'm intrigued, and looking forward to your reply.
Message: Posted by: Magicol-1 (Feb 26, 2019 05:32AM)
Hi Sudo,
May I please be added to the list.

Paul
Message: Posted by: weepinwil (Feb 26, 2019 08:45AM)
I plan to be in the Que as well..... I disagree that death belongs to the dead; the Dead interrupt the life of the living so much. Just when you had saved up those days off for a fun vacation, someone up and dies and you have to take those days to go to the funeral. Not only that, but you have to get the suit cleaned, wash the car for the parade, and say things like, "Don't he look good!" Just when the holiday gets here they up and die and leave you stuck with a gift you can't return because you bought it on sale. Dead people impose a lot on the living even though they are no longer one of us. But this does look like a great offering, so thanks so much for your generosity.
Message: Posted by: spindoc (Feb 26, 2019 09:40AM)
Please add me to the list.
Message: Posted by: Sean Xem (Feb 26, 2019 10:05AM)
Sudo, thank you for the contribution, and Iíd like to be added to the list.
Message: Posted by: weepinwil (Feb 26, 2019 10:27AM)
Still full box so perhaps you could add me to the list this way. Or offer it as a download from another site and give the link here.
Message: Posted by: Delimbeau (Feb 26, 2019 10:55AM)
[quote]On Feb 25, 2019, Sudo Nimh wrote:
[i]Life is for the living
Death is for the Dead
So let life be like music..
And Death, a note unsaid.[/i]

I posted this in "Penny" - where I'm usually found. It's been a while since I made a new offering to the bizarre community...so here it is.

This is a deadly strong effect using Tarot cards that comes with two versions. However, for those of you who are familiar with David Parr's [i]"A Game of Life and Death"[/i], this will also allow you to do a much stronger version of that effect with more theater, more interaction, and most importantly - with zero set-ups or gaffs and the climax ends in the participants hands - not on the table.

If you'd like a copy, shoot me a PM with your email addy.

[IMG]http://i65.tinypic.com/5dt8i8.png[/IMG] [/quote]

Hi Sudo, it looks great! Do you make the pics yourself? Regards, Luc
Message: Posted by: dorian_faust (Feb 26, 2019 11:39AM)
Salutations Sir! I am interested as well. Any other way we could contact you in the meantime? Like a website or whatnot? This routine seems fascinating.
Message: Posted by: Sudo Nimh (Feb 26, 2019 01:02PM)
Sorry for the wait...I'm getting things out the door as swiftly as I can, but I don't have much "wriggle" room in my PM box. Every time I get some room squared away it fills up within minutes. Bear with me - it will be in your hands shortly.

@ Luc: Regarding the art, "yes/no". It depends on the project - each is different. I use a combination of stock photos from a subscription service, public domain stuff, and photoshop editing.

I do have a website, but I don't really do much with it as I'm not really good with webmaster stuff and I despise the commercialization of the art as well. I *do* have some things I make available for sale (because a guy's gotta eat sometimes) but overall, I prefer to share things freely (and at my discretion) for the spirit of what it is.
Message: Posted by: weepinwil (Feb 26, 2019 05:17PM)
It's a miracle!!! I just got through the 60 barrier. That makes me almost as happy as finding out the last person I buried was really dead. Believe me, it ain't no fun to have to dig them back up after they call home on their cell phone. No fun to refund the burial fees either.
Message: Posted by: gothicmagic (Feb 26, 2019 05:45PM)
I had sent a pm previously, but I'm assuming there is a huge line up to see this wonder :)
Message: Posted by: Sudo Nimh (Feb 26, 2019 08:16PM)
Yes - I do apologize for the wait. I have 3 different effects I'm sharing simultaneously. So between the PM's and emails and general questions and replies I receive from both, it has been exhausting. The fact that some of you have been able to finally get a PM through shows that I am slowly chipping away at it all. But that's the way I like things. I'm one of those people who needs to keep his mind constantly busy so that it doesn't have time to think of other stuff or the melancholy and madness starts setting in again...

I can laugh about it a little, but it's actually true.

[i]ďI became insane, with long intervals of horrible sanity.Ē[/i] - Poe
Message: Posted by: Sudo Nimh (Feb 27, 2019 07:12AM)
**UPDATE:

Ok...copies of this are now going out. However, there has been a last minute change to the pdf. I cut out the second routine - for now. Allow me to explain.

I have performed [i]A Game of Life and Death[/i] literally hundreds of times in both paid performances and in casual situations since first purchasing it back in 2003 or 2004? - I can't remember precisely when it came out. But I bought it as soon as it hit retailers because I have a love for the plot where a participant plays a game for their very life/soul against Death or the Devil. Long story short - been doing this a long time.

Well, over the course of all these years, I identified a few problem areas in the routine - and there ARE areas of concern, to be sure. Give you just one example:

So you lay out the premise and it's all going good. Now it's time for the participant to make their cut...However, this is no mere card trick - they're playing for their life! And as you haven't let them shuffle or examine the deck - nor even showed them the Ace of Spades at all, you will sometimes hear [i]"But can I check the deck first to see if there's only one Ace of Spades in it? How do I know you don't have more than one in there?"[/i]

That's a very [i]real[/i] problem. Those of you who have the effect understand why. I've had this happen on more than a few occasions over the years I've performed it. It's a very logical and rational question for a person to ask given the premise of the effect. There are other things I identified as well; all of which, are detailed in the pdf, or rather "were". I set out to rectify the areas I identified as problematic - and succeeded. The end result has played devastatingly well. In the process of doing so, the entire method was completely stripped away and a new method was introduced that eliminates the issues I identified, and also allows this to be done with any deck that can be shuffled and examined, and requires no "non-impromptu" stuff going on with the cards. Again, those of you who have [i]A Game of Life and Death[/i] will know precisely what I mean by that.

This means that you can also do it at any time in your set. In addition, the participant knows there's only one Ace, and they also know for a fact that it's completely lost in the deck. This method has more interaction, and is just as clean in appearance and fairness, but appears far more impossible. The main difference with mine is that a pair of dice are involved. That tells you how dramatically different they are right there. After all, why wouldn't [i]Death[/i] play a game of "rolling bones", right? ;)

And that's precisely the title of my work on this effect: [i]Rollin' Bones[/i].

I tried to contact David through Facebook last year as I wanted to discuss this with him, but received no reply. Even though the method is entirely different, as is the presentation I use, the main inspiration was David's work and they share the exact same climax. I don't wish to rock the boat with this work, and in this art the proper thing to do is to contact someone if your work is inspired by another's - just as David did when he was inspired by a previous work in creating [i]A Game of Life and Death[/i]. So, I will attempt to do so once again - this time through the Cafť. If there's no reply, then I can say that I have at least tried to do the right thing.

In the meantime, when you read the pdf, ignore the intro where it states that there are two effects taught and forgive the fact that the manuscript seems to end somewhat abruptly after the first effect is covered. The good news however, is that the effect you'll receive is deliciously wicked and I'm sure you'll all have a good deal of terrible fun with it. And yes, it stills involves Willie's best friend, [i]Death[/i]. ;)

Sorry for the long story.
Message: Posted by: weepinwil (Feb 27, 2019 07:53AM)
Sudo, Thanks for your detailed description of the changes, and not messing with Death, no apology is necessary. After all, "Death is never having to say you are sorry!"
Message: Posted by: Sudo Nimh (Feb 27, 2019 07:56AM)
Oh...and it uses Tarot - not playing cards. I almost completely forgot to mention that. However, the method transfers over to playing cards if one so wishes.

[quote]On Feb 27, 2019, weepinwil wrote:
Sudo, Thanks for your detailed description of the changes, and not messing with Death, no apology is necessary. After all, "Death is never having to say you are sorry!" [/quote]

Thanks Willie. Check your email. ;)
Message: Posted by: Seth speaks (Feb 27, 2019 01:32PM)
New rule for all creators: before releasing your effect or routine, no matter how perfect it may seem, hand it over to Sudo along with an appropriate payment, so that he can break it down, build it back up, and craft it into absolute perfection. Can we agree? Sound good? Iím drafting a letter for everyone to sign...

I absolutely LOVE Parrís Game of Life and Death, and do it with my own little (very simple) spin for more realism, but I canít wait to see the Sudoís take!

Seth
Message: Posted by: ManxBull (Feb 27, 2019 03:47PM)
I've spent a little time playing with 'And Death, A Note Unsaid'. It works really well and will pack a wallop, especially with those people who hold Tarot cards in superstitious awe. It all seems genuinely down to chance, but works out every time. Many thanks again!
Message: Posted by: Perkins (Feb 27, 2019 04:12PM)
Ok. So, I dig this. I really dig it.

There's drama and subtitles at play that are iron-clad. I have sticks of butter for fingers and I can nail this.

Thank you, Sudo. Very generous of you. I will be playing with this for certain.

Best,
Perkins
Message: Posted by: Wizard of Oz (Feb 27, 2019 04:24PM)
[quote]On Feb 27, 2019, Perkins wrote:
I have sticks of butter for fingers and I can nail this.
Perkins [/quote]

Just spit my coffee on my keyboard.
Message: Posted by: Wravyn (Feb 27, 2019 05:33PM)
Once again, Sudo has unselfishly shared the brilliance of his imagination. He has taken something and put his twist upon it. His touches and thoughts take an already great trick and turned it into, IMO, interactive mystical theatre (that is just the trick). The layout of the PDF, the instructions, the crediting... To just say thank you for this gift hardly seems enough. I put bizarre magic to the side in 1992, after reading this, I believe I am going to dust off my tarot, light a candle, and roll them bones again.
Message: Posted by: Sudo Nimh (Feb 27, 2019 06:05PM)
[i]Come on boys and wager; roll them laughing bones.."[/i] - from the song [i]Candyman, Grateful Dead[/i]

Nice to see that I've seduced another back over to the dark side Wravyn. The Dark Lord will be most pleased with this faithful servant. Why did you ever leave? Surely you've learned by now that there's no exquisite joy to be found in the light that can compare with that to be found in the darkness. ;)

Glad that people are enjoying this little number. Thanks for the kind thoughts.

[quote]On Feb 27, 2019, Seth speaks wrote:
New rule for all creators: before releasing your effect or routine, no matter how perfect it may seem, hand it over to Sudo along with an appropriate payment, so that he can break it down, build it back up, and craft it into absolute perfection. Can we agree? Sound good? Iím drafting a letter for everyone to sign...
Seth [/quote]

It's funny - you're not the first person to suggest this service idea to me. I appreciate your enthusiasm Seth. BTW - your Penguin review for my [i]Mental Die-Mensional[/i] suddenly appeared like "magic" on their site yesterday - thanks!
Message: Posted by: gothicmagic (Feb 27, 2019 10:21PM)
Sudo,
many thanks
I'll see what I can do about sneaking you a few souls
Message: Posted by: Philemon Vanderbeck (Feb 28, 2019 05:28AM)
Sudo knocks it out of the park (and into the dark) once again!

Of particular genius is his idea of how to present a very popular shuffling technique. As a frequent practitioner of said shuffle, I'm going to start using his suggestion and see how it plays out. I suspect that it will go over very well!

https://i.etsystatic.com/7556081/r/il/f10105/1692972351/il_570xN.1692972351_f503.jpg
Message: Posted by: Rik Gazelle (Feb 28, 2019 05:34AM)
Sudo does it again :-)
Such a delight to read this in the "Skeletons From The Closet" format which is so well suited to this presentation. Thanks you once again for your generosity to the community Sudo, it is much appreciated.
Message: Posted by: David Parr (Feb 28, 2019 08:53AM)
Sudo, Facebook messages can be unreliable. Iíve occasionally discovered a message that was sent years previously and I never saw when it arrived, or Iíve searched for messages that have vanished for no apparent reason. Thanks for reaching out, but I didnít see the Facebook message you sent. Email might be Stone Age technology but itís generally a safer bet
Message: Posted by: Wravyn (Feb 28, 2019 09:15AM)
What are your opinions on a short card (on the sides) which could allow the participant to cut the cards?
Message: Posted by: Sudo Nimh (Feb 28, 2019 11:36AM)
[quote]On Feb 28, 2019, David Parr wrote:
Sudo, Facebook messages can be unreliable. Iíve occasionally discovered a message that was sent years previously and I never saw when it arrived, or Iíve searched for messages that have vanished for no apparent reason. Thanks for reaching out, but I didnít see the Facebook message you sent. Email might be Stone Age technology but itís generally a safer bet [/quote]

Hi David. I assumed that may have been the case. :)

I'm glad you saw this thread. I'll send you a PM. Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Sudo Nimh (Feb 28, 2019 11:50AM)
[quote]On Feb 28, 2019, Wravyn wrote:
What are your opinions on a short card (on the sides) which could allow the participant to cut the cards? [/quote]

For this routine? Not necessary. :)

I abhor the idea of cutting up Tarot cards. The sequence I outlined in the manuscript works is perfect in its simplicity. If you're simply looking to have the participants cut the cards, there are a number of options at your disposal. My recommendation would be try it out using the method I described (which is based upon years of experience with the piece) and then if you don't agree, give me a holler and I'll walk you through some other options.

I strongly feel that having them cut the cards is gilding the lily. The flow of events is so random-seeming that this is where the focus should really be placed. That vertical mixing of the cards is perfect. Do it in front of a mirror so you can see how it appears to an audience. Plus, it allows you to engage the audience while doing so and keeps the presentation moving along nicely.

Trust me, nobody ever thinks the cards aren't well mixed. ;)
Message: Posted by: olivers2 (Feb 28, 2019 12:00PM)
Hi Sudo,

I also want to be added on the list for this effect
How can I order that?
Message: Posted by: Wravyn (Feb 28, 2019 12:06PM)
Thank you Sudo. I only asked since way back, I had been instructed to always have the participant cut. I was merely asking out of learning a different viewpoint. Much appreciated.
Message: Posted by: Sudo Nimh (Feb 28, 2019 12:28PM)
[quote]On Feb 28, 2019, Wravyn wrote:
Thank you Sudo. I only asked since way back, I had been instructed to always have the participant cut. I was merely asking out of learning a different viewpoint. Much appreciated. [/quote]

Yes, that is a common practice - for sure. You can still do it here if you wish, but as this is a mini-theatrical piece and we're not doing any form of real Tarot spreads or any of that sorta stuff, I think it's perfectly fine to leave it out. My feeling is that it interrupts the momentum of the effect a little, that's all. :)

Hope my input is received in the spirit intended. It's meant to be purely objective and nothing more. I'm not the final authority on anything except my own actions.
Message: Posted by: Shaukat (Feb 28, 2019 02:00PM)
I just finished reading the PDF and just as you can expect from Sudo's work it's a wonderful effect. His presentation put a big smile on my face. It made perfect sense and I can't think of a better presentation for this particular effect. If you are into Bizarre magic / mentalism, you will love it. I loved it. Thank you so much Sudo for sharing another creative and amazing effect with me. Much Appreciated buddy.
Message: Posted by: Seance (Feb 28, 2019 02:41PM)
I wanted to add my praise for a fine piece that is enjoyable to the audience. This is a very nice transformation of a dice and card effect to something more elegant. Well done and thank you, Sudo!
Message: Posted by: weepinwil (Feb 28, 2019 03:00PM)
Being a friend and business partner with Death, I must say this pdf brought a smile to my face, proving it is not only the widow who smiles at the funeral, but also the funeral director. Now, if I can wipe this smile from my face before my next client. They always expect the funeral establishment to be grim, you know.
Message: Posted by: Sudo Nimh (Feb 28, 2019 03:03PM)
You're all very welcome. Glad that folks are enjoying it.

The [b]real[/b] treat will be coming when I finish speaking with David. If you loved [i]And Death, A Note Unsaid[/i], wait until you see [i]Rollin' Bones[/i].

I promise you're going to [i]"love it to Death"[/i]. ;)
Message: Posted by: Sudo Nimh (Feb 28, 2019 03:15PM)
[quote]On Feb 28, 2019, weepinwil wrote:... proving it is not only the widow who smiles at the funeral, but also the funeral director. Now, if I can wipe this smile from my face before my next client. They always expect the funeral establishment to be grim, you know. [/quote]

Lol. I so appreciate your humour. It's always consistent and so twistedly funny.
Message: Posted by: RCP (Feb 28, 2019 03:59PM)
Finally got the time to read through this and try it out. You never fail to deliver Sudo. A cleaver routine and fun for all.
Message: Posted by: Wravyn (Feb 28, 2019 05:16PM)
[quote]On Feb 28, 2019, Sudo Nimh wrote:

Hope my input is received in the spirit intended. It's meant to be purely objective and nothing more. I'm not the final authority on anything except my own actions. [/quote]

Your input is appreciated. I do understand your reasoning of why. It does make sense.

If I did not ask the question I asked, I would only have my viewpoint and not had another way of looking at things.

Your works are inspiring and help me look at things from another perspective, and that is refreshing.

Thank you.
Message: Posted by: weepinwil (Feb 28, 2019 07:40PM)
[quote]On Feb 28, 2019, Sudo Nimh wrote:
[quote]On Feb 28, 2019, weepinwil wrote:... proving it is not only the widow who smiles at the funeral, but also the funeral director. Now, if I can wipe this smile from my face before my next client. They always expect the funeral establishment to be grim, you know. [/quote]

Lol. I so appreciate your humour. It's always consistent and so twistedly funny. [/quote]

I'm flattered. Thank you! Just remember to book your funeral with us where all Funerals begin with FUN and we promise not to have sex with the dead.
Message: Posted by: yachanin (Feb 28, 2019 08:15PM)
It's hard to add any new accolades regarding "And Death, A Note Unsaid." Thank you, Sudo, for sharing this and caring to see that those who came before are recognized for their work. "Integrity" comes to mind :-)

Regards, Steve
Message: Posted by: horus1 (Mar 1, 2019 10:05PM)
Thank you for sharing Sudo! Ditto to all the above! Can't wait to see what you have in store for rollin' bones!
Message: Posted by: weepinwil (Mar 2, 2019 08:13AM)
Showed this to a few of the cadavers who were waiting for family visits and they lay there and smiled from ear to ear. I'd say even the dead appreciate it.
Message: Posted by: Silvertongue (Mar 2, 2019 02:14PM)
Can't pm inbox full

declanring@gmail.com

Thanks Sudo
Message: Posted by: David Parr (Mar 2, 2019 02:57PM)
Hey, folks. A polite suggestion for everyone, including me: If youíre planning to release something based on someone elseís work and youíre wondering if he or she will be cool with it, itís a good policy to make every effort to contact that person and send him or her a copy of the thing BEFORE you distribute it. I still havenít seen this item, so I havenít the foggiest idea how much of it is based on A Game of Life & Death. And itís not like Iím a hermit, off the grid and surviving on tree bark. All of my contact info is on my website, one google search away. Thus is good will and the balance of the cosmos maintained.
Message: Posted by: Wravyn (Mar 2, 2019 04:34PM)
Mr Parr, I donít think Sudo included his routine and handling for A Game of Life & Death. He has a post on the second page of this thread that mentions it and why.
Message: Posted by: David Parr (Mar 2, 2019 04:49PM)
[quote]On Mar 2, 2019, Wravyn wrote:
Mr Parr, I donít think Sudo included his routine and handling for A Game of Life & Death. He has a post on the second page of this thread that mentions it and why. [/quote]

Wravyn, I would know this definitively if I had seen the item. Because I havenít, I have no idea how itís related to my work. But the point of my post was not to express this specifically, it was to make a suggestion for future endeavors.
Message: Posted by: Sudo Nimh (Mar 2, 2019 09:54PM)
[quote]On Mar 2, 2019, Wravyn wrote:
Mr Parr, I donít think Sudo included his routine and handling for A Game of Life & Death. He has a post on the second page of this thread that mentions it and why. [/quote]

100% spot-on.

I made it abundantly clear in that post that I would not be sharing [i]Rollin' Bones[/i] with anyone until David had the opportunity to peruse it himself and "why". The only people who have been privy to it's details are a handful in my close circle - but they were informed about it's workings early last year when I first decided that I was going to write it up. This manuscript has two routines that feature [i]Death[/i] as the subject. The one that is not inspired by [i]A Game of Life and Death[/i] is the one that has been shared so far.

I just received your email address David, so you can expect to be reading it shortly.

Technically speaking, this manuscript will include 3 routines...not just two. I've been busy adding a surprise routine that is meant to play as a spooky fun interlude for either of these two routines and has served me well for many years. I don't want to spoil the surprise by saying too much just yet... but you'll all see soon enough. ;)
Message: Posted by: Magicol-1 (Mar 7, 2019 08:08AM)
Would anyone be willing to share the PDF? I haven't been able to make contact with Sudo.

M1
Message: Posted by: Philemon Vanderbeck (Mar 7, 2019 08:13AM)
[quote]On Mar 7, 2019, Magicol-1 wrote:
Would anyone be willing to share the PDF? I haven't been able to make contact with Sudo.
[/quote]

As per the agreement made with Sudo, recipients are not allowed to share the PDF with others.
Message: Posted by: Magicol-1 (Mar 7, 2019 08:20AM)
Understood, thankyou
Message: Posted by: olivers2 (Mar 12, 2019 03:40AM)
Hi Sudo,

how can I get in contact with you?
could you send me a pm how I can get on the list for "and death..."
Message: Posted by: spindoc (Mar 12, 2019 09:13AM)
Hello Sudo, I too would like to get on the list for And Death, A Note Unsaid. Is there a way to do that?
Message: Posted by: Bogbadger (Mar 13, 2019 05:16PM)
Me too please Sudo
Message: Posted by: Sebastian Oudot (Mar 31, 2019 08:18AM)
Hello Sudo,

I'm interested as well.

I tried to PM you, but you've hit the 60 topics limit.
Message: Posted by: AttnPls (Mar 31, 2019 06:28PM)
I would love to check this out. Starting to put together a spooky show for October and am in search of inspiration.
Message: Posted by: Intrepid (May 2, 2019 04:31AM)
Has anyone head back from Sudo?
Message: Posted by: scottishpiper51 (May 2, 2019 05:40AM)
Last I heard back from Sudo, he was having David look over his handling of A Game of Life and Death. He was going to wait for Davidís okay so he could include the handling and distribute. He said not to worry, that he hadnít forgotten about sending it out. But itís been awhile. Sudo, you alright?