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Topic: Phone Call From Hell???
Message: Posted by: Darmoe (Jul 18, 2002 04:24PM)
I was just out in the garage and saw my niece and nephew playing with an old telephone when an epiphemy struck me (and yes, it hurt!)

Take the premise behind the old Talking Tea Kettle or Skull and apply it to an old Telephone... e.g. it rings, you can have conversations with a raspy spirit voice on the other end that tells you things about others such as a Q&A type sequence... but it's personalized... that is, the voice speaks to each person that wrote a question and answers it... catch is, the phone is not connected to anything... you can take it apart and there is NOTHING to be found... no electronics, no celluar technology, etc.

Just thought I'd run this idea out to see what your thoughts would be. I'm kind of torn as to if it could be a good piece for a Seance or Haunted House situation or not... any thoughts?
Message: Posted by: Peter Marucci (Jul 18, 2002 06:37PM)
Love it!
Especially since it makes sense (as opposed to a talking kettle!).
Imagine the story line that could go with it:
The last tragic phone call about . . . ;
The last person to use the phone was running from . . . ;
The previous owner refused to let someone use it in an emergency when they . . . .
Great stuff.
cheers,
Peter Marucci
showtimecol@aol.com
Message: Posted by: Philemon Vanderbeck (Jul 19, 2002 11:27AM)
For actual performance situations, I would start with the phone already 'taken apart', so that the audience can see there's no way the phone could be gimmicked.

Since it's an "old phone," it would make sense if it was severely damaged and already falling apart. The cover would already be mostly gone, and you could see what little wiring remained.

It would also take an amazing presentation (of course) to take the heat off the phone and the possibility of any electronic gadgetry.

Another option to explore is to perform this as a publicity stunt where you go into someone's office, unplug their phone, and yet it will still ring and they can talk to a ghostly voice on the other end. :-)

:evilgrin:
Message: Posted by: Darmoe (Jul 19, 2002 11:37AM)
:wow: I love that idea Phil... I could just see some of these "I know everything" corporate jocks dropping to the floor when doing something like this... problem is, I'm not certain how to sneak in that little special item that allows this to work and if or not we could get it to trigger the speakers on the phone itself... in theory it could work though... I'll have to play with it... I'm starting to like this more and more!

:cheers:
Message: Posted by: Philemon Vanderbeck (Jul 19, 2002 01:54PM)
Bribe the Administrative Assistant...

:evilgrin:
Message: Posted by: linkinparkfan (Jul 21, 2002 03:39AM)
I think that the trick would be best if the trick ended with the phone being taken apart.

First you set the trick up for the phone to ring, have the phone in the corner of the room, then it rings. After the caller tells each spectator the information they hang up. Then you just stand there in shock. When someone finaly asks what is wrong you pick up the phone and the phone falls open, showing the gutless insides. This would make the inside part a second climax. This would leave the room "deathly quiet" and it would be a perfect ending to a show. It would also give people the chills making it a very strong double-climax effect.

You should really look into getting that idea developed because i think that it would be an great effect. I would buy it in a heartbeat. :) GOOD LUCK ;)
Message: Posted by: Darmoe (Jul 21, 2002 09:38AM)
I may hold you to that Anthony...

The more and more I play with it, the more I like it. Catch is, I'm trying to "Improve" on an older and more proven mode of technology so as to allow "the system" to work just about anywhere, in any home, on any phone, etc. Using the older technology simply isn't practical if this is to be a complete mystery and appear to be genuine phenomena... it could work if you had a set facility like a B&B you worked mystery shows in... in such a case the old method is very much practical and probably more cost effective. But, I'm looking at being able to walk into an Execs office, disconnect his/her phone on the desk and make that sucker ring and lend a response to their questions via a spirited voice on the other end.

Unfortunately I'm swamped with a bunch of other stuff in the development phase of incarnation, that must go out first... but I am making this a high priority.
Message: Posted by: Andy Leviss (Jul 21, 2002 12:06PM)
Well, I think I can tell you how to make a small device that would provide enough power to the phone to make the voices heard, and could theoretically have a dig. chip with the voice recorded on it or something similar (it's actually a technique I learned for hooking up phones together to form a sort of direct line intercom system). The catch of couse being that it'd need to be a box at least big enough to hold a 9 volt battery and the voice chip, and it has to plug into the phone just like the cord from the wall would.

This is also complicated by the fact that a lot of corporate phones use a specialized digital phone network instead of a normal phone setup, so I don't know for sure that it would work as is with one of those phones.

Let me know if this might be of interest and I can do some digging; I would still suggest looking at other solutions that use conduction or something to make it sound like it's coming from the phone instead of actually coming from it, that might be easier to hide and make work, or maybe not.

Oh, btw, to get a normal phone to ring needs a rather significant AC current, typically done in theatre by a small box that plugs into the wall and has a number of transformers inside to get the right voltage; there is one device that will run off three 9 volt batteries to do it, but it's a healthy size (I mean, it does have to fit three 9 volts and a bunch of converters and transformers :o)

--A
Message: Posted by: Darmoe (Jul 21, 2002 01:16PM)
How ironic... you posting on a thread I started, concerning phone calls from hell...
:rolleyes:

Some interesting thinking Andy but not in the right direction... we'll have to get the Brain Pool up and running on this... now where did I put Timotheus? :confused:
Message: Posted by: Yaniv Deautsch (Jul 21, 2002 01:18PM)
It's an old idea.
Dunninger did a similar thing,talking with Houdini no less.


Yaniv Deautsch
Message: Posted by: Margarette (Jul 21, 2002 02:12PM)
I've got a friend that does something similar in his seances (entertainment purposes only), and is quite successful with it!

Margarette
Message: Posted by: Darmoe (Jul 22, 2002 09:51AM)
[quote]
On 2002-07-21 14:18, Yaniv Deautsch wrote:
It's an old idea.
Dunninger did a similler thing,talking with Houdini no less.


Yaniv Deautsch

[/quote]

Yaniv

Do you know where I might find more insight on this routine? It's right along the course I was heading with this thing... I already do a bit where Houdini uses American Express to communicate from beyond the grave (similar to Dream Vision with a neat handling twist... thanks to Kevin James and Sylvester the Jester :bg: )

In that someone's done something similar don't surprise me... that's just how our craft is. I saw an ad in a major publication boasting about a new technology that will allow a Tea Kettle to speak... I found it ironic in that I'd been using Kirkham's Kettle (from the late 50s) for about 3 years at that point.

Reinventing the wheel sometimes, is a good thing... allows for improvements. Too, as Henning proved, reaching into the remote past and reviving long forgotten bits, can place you ahead of the game as being "more unique" than all the rest.

I've been playing with the phone... know we can make it talk and ring (not as clean as I'd like, but hey... this is the proto-type) now I''m working on making it dial a random number (old rotary)without touching it...

Thanks for the discussion guys!
Message: Posted by: Yaniv Deautsch (Jul 22, 2002 03:25PM)
Well, you could read a bit about it in Al Mann's Phantom Voices-Miracles By Telephone.
I also use a similler idea in a Think of a Card routine inspired by Dunninger,Brown and Lovel.

Yaniv Deautsch
Message: Posted by: Andy Leviss (Jul 23, 2002 01:18AM)
[quote]
On 2002-07-22 10:51, Darmoe wrote:
It's right along the course I was heading with this thing... I already do a bit where Houdini uses American Express to communicate from beyond the grave (similar to Dream Vision with a neat handling twist... thanks to Kevin James and Sylvester the Jester :bg: )[/quote]

Um, do you mean Federal Express? I mean, sometimes I wish I could make my AmEx bill disappear, but...

Okay, I'm just kidding. I don't have an AmEx card, but still...

--A (who only busts on Craig because he knows he can get away with it :o)
Message: Posted by: christopher carter (Jul 23, 2002 09:30AM)
Craig,

The technologies you command are frighteningly beyond my comprehension. But I think your phone idea is wonderful. If you build it, they (or at least I) will come to purchase it.

--Christopher Carter
Message: Posted by: Darmoe (Jul 23, 2002 10:42AM)
[quote]
On 2002-07-23 02:18, Andy Leviss wrote:
[quote]
On 2002-07-22 10:51, Darmoe wrote:
It's right along the course I was heading with this thing... I already do a bit where Houdini uses American Express to communicate from beyond the grave (similar to Dream Vision with a neat handling twist... thanks to Kevin James and Sylvester the Jester :bg: )[/quote]

Um, do you mean Federal Express? I mean, sometimes I wish I could make my AmEx bill disappear, but...

Okay, I'm just kidding. I don't have an AmEx card, but still...

--A (who only busts on Craig because he knows he can get away with it :o)
[/quote]

You think you can get away with it :rolleyes: and too, you know how my mind blanks out and gets things twisted around... that's an unfair advantage! :cry:

{That's what I get letting him edit my books... :P }
Message: Posted by: tboehnlein (Jul 23, 2002 01:25PM)
Craig be very careful if you are considering unplugging an office phone in many cases by disconnecting the phone it would require a resetting of the individuals settings on their phone which may not go over to well,
but I do love the premise.

Best of luck to you
Message: Posted by: Darmoe (Jul 23, 2002 03:44PM)
Good point Tom... didn't think of that.
Message: Posted by: dpe666 (Jul 24, 2002 12:10AM)
I don't know. I like the idea maybe for a "straight" mental routine. However, in a Bizarre routine, I think that a talking phone may seem a little hokey. The voice would have to be VERY, VERY scratchy and almost a whisper, and there would have to be a TON of static in order to make it really scarry. Listen to the opening of King Diamond's THEM album to get the voices. I could send you a couple of recordings of "real" ghosts (these are COOL and SPOOKY!)just to give you an idea of what I am hearing. I also would not talk to a magic icon like Houdini, etc. Make up a character. But make him/her a character who would have had access to a phone. This is just MHO, though. :devilish:
Message: Posted by: Darmoe (Jul 24, 2002 10:39AM)
[quote]
On 2002-07-24 01:10, dpe666 wrote:
I don't know. I like the idea maybe for a "straight" mental routine. However, in a Bizarre routine, I think that a talking phone may seem a little hokey. The voice would have to be VERY, VERY scratchy and almost a whisper, and there would have to be a TON of static in order to make it really scarry. Listen to the opening of King Diamond's THEM album to get the voices. I could send you a couple of recordings of "real" ghosts (these are COOL and SPOOKY!)just to give you an idea of what I am hearing. I also would not talk to a magic icon like Houdini, etc. Make up a character. But make him/her a character who would have had access to a phone. This is just MHO, though. :devilish:
[/quote]

The first time Kirkham demonstrated the Tea Kettle version of this effect I threw the dang thing across the room... a raspy voice came out of the empty pot... I swear I could feel and smell its breath.

Those not familiar with this kind of auditory effect will certainly be surprised as to how powerful it can be. I used a Tea Kettle in my Seance shows for years and it left people feeling very creeped out. Staging such a bit with an antique phone in flea markets, B&Bs, etc. will undoubtedly bring about some killer (not to be taken literally, but think about B-rated movies as you ponder this effect)end reactions by folks.
Message: Posted by: Brash (Jul 25, 2002 11:52AM)
Brilliant idea Craig!

I think the office phone bit is possible but it would require a lot of tech, and a little bit of sleight. I'll e-mail you about it.

The old phone has some great applications as well. I like the idea of the phone visibly dialing a number itself. Perhaps one randomly created by the audience...

Brian
Message: Posted by: Andy Leviss (Jul 25, 2002 09:04PM)
[quote]
On 2002-07-25 12:52, Brash wrote:
The old phone has some great applications as well. I like the idea of the phone visibly dialing a number itself. Perhaps one randomly created by the audience...[/quote]

But then you lose the concept that it's haunted and dialing a particular number that's somehow related to the ghost it's reaching; not to mention that you're turning a powerful piece into a "cute trick". It goes from, "Wow, that was soooooo creepy how the phone dialed that ghost on its own and the ghost told us..." to "Hmm...how'd he get the phone to dial the number we picked...he couldn't have made us pick that number, so he..."

Just my two cents,
Andy
Message: Posted by: christopher carter (Jul 26, 2002 09:20AM)
Andy,

what if the ghost dialed the number of a person being thought about by one of the audience members. The person would see that number being dialed and know it was his/her friend's number. Then the ghost would rasp something like "Mary isn't here now, she's in Hell..." or maybe something less corny. Still, the spectator would just about die.

--Christopher Carter
Message: Posted by: Brash (Jul 26, 2002 10:14AM)
I was thinking since the number for the afterlife is probably unlisted, the audience's own intuition could be engaged in thinking of the number.

Maybe not a random number, but it would be interesting if the number dialed can be connected to the spectators in some way.
Message: Posted by: Darmoe (Jul 26, 2002 11:15AM)
I've been giving the idea behind the number used a great deal of thought (and like some of what I'm hearing here.) Nonetheless I've discovered a very wide and diverse series of possible scenarios just with the phone number... Chris' idea of seeing the phone dial an "unspoken" number that someone in the audience recognizes is just one such thought... because of a pre-show method I use from time to time (keep quiet Andy, you're the only one here that knows what I'm talking about :bg: ) this would be exceptionally easy to pull off and the impact it would have on people could prove devestating.

I'm presently in the process of finding the "right stuff" for making this effect possible, practical and cost effective to the serious performer... ON THAT NOTE I will make mention of something I posted about last month... my Ouija Board system.

Though the electronic version works well, one of my associates has created an amazingly clever variation to the original thinking that's simply a work of art (and "NO" I don't mean the thing advertised in Magic.) I don't have all the details just yet but Michael believes it will retail for somewhere between $400.00 and $600.00 (Maybe less ???) It is so clean it's disgusting... you have total control in what it spells out, etc. The unit has a small wire-framed pyramid that sits over the board itself. You can suspend borrowed items from guests, a pencil, rock or just about anything else from the apex and it will swing to the appropriate letters so as to spell out answers to your questions.

Michael believes he can cover anyone's order on this, should you want one by Halloween, if you order prior to Sept 10th. You can PM or Email me or go directly to Michelangelo in Salt Lake (his links can be found @ On-Line Visions).

Anywho... thought I'd give you all an heads up on that one since the Telephone wont be ready before next year, at the earliest :lol:
Message: Posted by: dpe666 (Jul 26, 2002 10:41PM)
I was told that there is a Bizarrist in SLC who has a book coming out from L&L Publishing. Is this Michael? :devilish:
Message: Posted by: Darmoe (Jul 27, 2002 07:16AM)
I don't think so... Michael (Michelangelo) is better known as a Family oriented performer (though he does hang out with some really peculiar people like Shane & Kep from Visions... me, when I'm in Salt Lake, etc.)

He's one of the up and coming minds of major stage magic in my opinion. An exceptionally talented artist and craftsman who has some interesting ways of looking at and re-working magic technology. His Shadow Box is down right awesome... one of the best veriations I've seen in 35 years!
Message: Posted by: msho104882 (Jul 27, 2002 08:40AM)
Hell has a freephone number

0800 666 666............ :bg:

Sorry, could not resist. Ok, Ok, pick a corner and I'll stand in it.
Message: Posted by: Darmoe (Jul 27, 2002 09:06AM)
O.k. here's the dirt...

The Pyramid Ouija system I mentioned above, will be available on a first come, first serve basis. If you can get in your deposit (50%) by Sept. 10th Michelangelo is promising early October delivery. Due to the materials involved, the cost is a bit higher than we thought it would be, but we are going to bite the bullet on things and let patrons of our favorite boards get both, a year's lead time in doing the bit, and a $200.00 discount over normal retail, which would be $850.00 (You pay only $650.00 + shipping form Salt Lake)

THE PHONE CALL FROM HELL... we've played with it a great deal and believe we will have a "perfected" version ready for the market by the spring of next year. Still not certain what the retail will be but, because of the technology we're putting into it (not your normal wireless two-way thingy) it will probably come in at around $5,000.00. I've been given a thumbs up on taking deposits on orders for those interested. Email/PM me if you are seriously interested so you have one of the first released (and that could, based on the progress we've seen thus far, before Halloween of this year.)

Just thought I'd let you all know where things stand and offer a hardy thanks for your interest/excitement around the phone idea... we weren't certain it was a good thing.

:cheers:
Message: Posted by: primoshock (Aug 1, 2002 04:23PM)
Just thinking about the whole dialing thing. Imagine an old phone sitting there on a table with other "antiques" that were taken from a supposed haunted house.

As the magician patters, the phone starts dialing a number - then a ring is heard in the audience - its someones cell phone - you ask them to answer it . . . they do and an evil laugh is heard. They hang up.

You ask them to dial the number that just called - the old phone begins to ring . . . then it drops on the floor and "busts" into peices and evil laughs are heard. :evil:

The magician walks over to the phone and looks at it weird . . . "Spooky . . . this phone was never plugged in" :confused:

Not sure if this is practical, but I bet the wheels are now turning in all your heads!

-Primoshock
Message: Posted by: Paul (Aug 7, 2002 02:16PM)
Sounds great, when Peter said;
The last person to use the phone was running from . . . ;
it reminded me of "Night of The Demon" however spooky phone calls also remind me of the phone call in "The Mothman Prophesies", a highlight in an otherwise mediocre movie.

I feel sure there was also a trashy horror movie where someone dialed hell, maybe something called "666 Evil". Never saw it but vaguely recall it.

Paul :angry: