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Topic: Who to credit as the creator of the "bottle Production?"
Message: Posted by: obrienmagic (Mar 11, 2019 04:06PM)
How far back can I go to credit the basic bottle production from a handkerchief? Who is the idea credited too and where can it be found? Earliest work to date is preferred. I would like to properly credit as I am performing a basic bottle production in my lecture. Have already reached out to David stone and gotten permission to mention his splash bottle work, however I am searching for the original concept creator as well. please and thank you.
Message: Posted by: Wravyn (Mar 11, 2019 04:23PM)
A couple of persons you may want to reach out to may be Dick Oslund; he is a wealth of knowledge and perhaps Bill Hegel (I don't think I spelled his name right and I apologize in advance), he too is a wealth of knowledge.
They may not know but can probably point you in a good direction.
Message: Posted by: magico (Mar 11, 2019 04:48PM)
This may help.

Message: Posted by: obrienmagic (Mar 11, 2019 05:55PM)
[quote]On Mar 11, 2019, magico wrote:
This may help.

https://www.conjuringarchive.com/list/category/162?highlight=23874,61011,9216 [/quote]

This is what I needed. Thanks so much!!!!!
Message: Posted by: Mike Powers (Mar 11, 2019 06:14PM)
The first time I ever saw a bottle production from a handkerchief was Bob Read at 4F many years ago. It fried everyone. He explained it and said that he'd fool everyone again with it. He did!

Message: Posted by: Tom Cutts (Mar 12, 2019 01:25AM)
That reminds me, Mike. At a late night lecture during a convention, Ammar did his bottle production and was about to start teaching it when a voice from the crowd spoke out, "Why don't you let the originator teach it?" That person was, of course, Bob Read and in fact he was lecturing next as the midnight lecture! The room, including Michael burst into laughter, and then Michael gracefully aknowledged his mistake.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Mar 12, 2019 05:28AM)
U.F. Grant comes to mind with a 7 UP bottle production he use to sell.

Bev Taylor had a bottle production gimmick that attached to a table top. After a silks from a tube production. The silks were displayed and a bottle was produced.

Also you might contact James Rainho, and see when he invented his Champlain bottle production from Silk Fountain. I have his book on Bottle and drinking Glass productions.

Al Cohen of Al's Magic Shop, made and sold a bottle production from Newspaper. I believe it was sold earlier by Tannens magic, when Louis Tannen actually owned and run the store.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Mar 13, 2019 07:31AM)
Thinking this over, your question is to open, it needs to be not just a bottle production, but a large wine/champagne type bottles. That most likely would be Bob Read, as the productions I listed above were all 6.5 and 7 ounce bottles. Smaller bottles.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Mar 22, 2019 07:17PM)
Contact Bob Sanders. He'll tell you that waiters would produce your bottle of wine at your table from a few napkins, several hundred years ago!
It's a practical easy method.
Message: Posted by: Bill Mullins (Mar 29, 2019 12:00PM)
[quote]On Mar 11, 2019, obrienmagic wrote:
[quote]On Mar 11, 2019, magico wrote:
This may help.

https://www.conjuringarchive.com/list/category/162?highlight=23874,61011,9216 [/quote]

This is what I needed. Thanks so much!!!!! [/quote]

Actually, this is what you need:

Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Apr 11, 2019 04:41PM)
As far as the Bob Read DVD "The Impromptu Miracles of Bob Read" The lost footage. It was a U.F. Grant bottle production that inspired another magician to produce a bottle in a different manner. Then Bob Read started working on his large bottle production in 1954 up until 1958 when he started performing it, up until his death.

Bob Read method did not use the Splash gimmick, that was offered more recently in the last 10 years or so.