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Topic: Shows for the Elders
Message: Posted by: nicetodd (Mar 13, 2019 05:09PM)
I am a long studied (and more recently dusting off the practice) student of the magical arts. As a way of easing into performance, I was thinking that I would do shows at some of the Active Retirement or Nursing homes in my area (for free as a start, maybe always). My question is - what advice do you have for performance for these types of audiences? I was specifically wondering if there were certain kinds of effects that had "technical issues" (e.g. cards can't be seen at certain distance by a significant portion of the audience).

Any advice on building varied effects suitable for this kind of audience (a little production, a bit of pasteboarding, and a side of mentalism) here would be greatly appreciated.
Message: Posted by: charliecheckers (Mar 13, 2019 05:43PM)
Active retirement and nursing home entities need to be approached differently. In my experience, you can perform a family show for active retirement. Donít insult them with an unpolished show. They are excited to see a live performance, but they have seen a great deal in their lifetime and know when someone is underestimating their sensibilities. Nursing homes I have performed at appreciate any opportunity to gather the healthier residents for entertainment. They have shorter attention spans and are more sensitive to loud music or speaking. Vision is also often compromised. A shorter performance is usually desired.

You can start by simply offering to entertain a few residents at a nursing home in a dinning room after lunch or dinner, if you coordinate it with the staff.

How do you see this as a topic for Tricky Business?
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Mar 13, 2019 06:08PM)
I agree, make sure you have a show. There's nothing worse than them feeling like they are getting amateurs or bottom of the barrel performers. They are elderly, not ignorant. Create a show don't just string some tricks together. Avoid those "business" sources that will lead to you believe senior facilities are a great place for beginners with no experience. When an AD books you their reputation and position is in the equation so unless you offer full disclosure upfront, if they are paying you they are expecting a professional.

Remember sight and hearing can be concerns again depending on the type of level of property you are working. 55 & older facilities are quite active and great audiences. Assisted care, nursing, and convalescent living will have more limitations for the performer. You must go to them and understand their limitations. Understand the market before thinking you are ready to perform. Understand the market, your audience, and what they want/expect.

If you are looking for effects and performance advice and assistance, there are better forums for this. If you are inquiring about the business aspects of performing for seniors, getting bookings, pricing, and operations many here can be willing to assist.
Message: Posted by: Magic_son (Mar 14, 2019 12:49AM)
We have performed the majority of our shows for these types of facilities for the last 8 years. I can attest that these types of shows need just as high type of professionalism than any other venue. Booking, Pricing, and most of the time the actual area of performance are also extremely different as well. Reaction to the shows can be difficult to gage as well depending on the ability of your audience, not the enjoyment of your audience. I see most of these performers a lot like the anti-bullying type of performers, where it maybe more of a calling than business. Many times depending on the area and type of facility you must adapt your pricing to their monthly/yearly activity budget.
You are not going to get rich doing these shows, however the content should be the same as for the richest clientele.
Message: Posted by: Keith Raygor (Mar 14, 2019 07:13AM)
[quote]On Mar 13, 2019, charliecheckers wrote:
How do you see this as a topic for Tricky Business? [/quote]

Nice. With one post to their credit, a more welcoming response could have included a suggestion guiding them towards a more appropriate forum.
Message: Posted by: charliecheckers (Mar 14, 2019 09:39AM)
[quote]On Mar 14, 2019, Keith Raygor wrote:
[quote]On Mar 13, 2019, charliecheckers wrote:
How do you see this as a topic for Tricky Business? [/quote]

Nice. With one post to their credit, a more welcoming response could have included a suggestion guiding them towards a more appropriate forum. [/quote]

Keith, my question was not rhetorical, but genuine - in that I was allowing the OP to offer insights on how they see this connected. Just because I donít see a real connection does not mean one does not exist. If it was misplaced, the OP could explain that as well, with no issue. I asked the question after offering my personal experience and specific things one should take into account. You, on the other hand choose to ignore that component of my post and only offer advice off topic that would have been better shared with me in a PM if your intent was to offer genuine assistance.
Message: Posted by: TomBoleware (Mar 14, 2019 01:33PM)
Tricky Business is for :ďDiscussions on working cruise ships, & doing trade shows. Topics may also include routine ideas for motivational magic & other specialized programs. This is also the area to talk about the business side of magic (e.g, contracts, promotions, taxes, etc)Ē

So maybe he read the part: ďTopics may also include routine ideas for motivational magic & other specialized programs.Ē And working with the Elders does require a specialized program. So no harm done by posting here.

Nicetodd, you right that card trucks may not be a good idea. Also I wouldnít recommend anything that requires memorizing numbers or anything like that. Sometimes us old people forget what day it is. :)
Just Keep it Simple and you will do well. Talk to the Activity Director beforehand and they can let you know how active the group will be and they may be able to point out the perfect helper.

Tom
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Mar 14, 2019 01:38PM)
I agree card trucks are never a good idea. Someone could get run over. And they're hard to shuffle.
Message: Posted by: TomBoleware (Mar 14, 2019 01:39PM)
Sorry bout that, Card TRICKS.

Tom
Message: Posted by: nicetodd (Mar 14, 2019 01:57PM)
[quote]On Mar 13, 2019, charliecheckers wrote:
Active retirement and nursing home entities need to be approached differently. In my experience, you can perform a family show for active retirement. Donít insult them with an unpolished show. They are excited to see a live performance, but they have seen a great deal in their lifetime and know when someone is underestimating their sensibilities. Nursing homes I have performed at appreciate any opportunity to gather the healthier residents for entertainment. They have shorter attention spans and are more sensitive to loud music or speaking. Vision is also often compromised. A shorter performance is usually desired.

You can start by simply offering to entertain a few residents at a nursing home in a dinning room after lunch or dinner, if you coordinate it with the staff.

How do you see this as a topic for Tricky Business? [/quote]

Thank you,l the comments on length/loud sounds are especially helpful. I will be honest... between the adverts and the font colors this website is hard to read (about a 9.5/10 on unreadability). I did search for about 15 minutes before I settled here, but can appreciate this section is for more practical business matters.

Would you suggest to lay off the cards completely and focus on larger to see illusions exclusively, or are there certain card effects (perhaps some of the more grand card to impossible location effects as an example) that play well?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 14, 2019 02:23PM)
Visual tricks work best. The type of thing where "this was red now it is blue" work well. Don't do LONG story tricks in general.

It will depend upon the audience but things that require them to see and remember things might not be great.

Also consider that hearing itself may be an issue in some cases. So speak clearly and not quickly.
Message: Posted by: charliecheckers (Mar 15, 2019 02:27PM)
[quote]On Mar 14, 2019, nicetodd wrote:
between the adverts and the font colors this website is hard to read (about a 9.5/10 on unreadability). I did search for about 15 minutes before I settled here, but can appreciate this section is for more practical business matters.[/quote]
The site may take a bit getting used to, but I believe it offers a lot of advantages over some of the newer social media platforms for purposes of discussions. I believe you will find good advice from those who frequent Tricky Business, so you came to the right place.

As Mindpro shared, there are many differing levels and types of adult living facilities, and it may take a bit of exploring to see what plays best. I have used cards for assisted living centers, but not complicated or involved tricks. Invisible card, or such would play well. I would avoid card tricks all together in nursing homes, but that is only my limited experience. Donít expect a great deal of reaction for the magic, but you will get those who really appreciate you being there ( Iím speaking of nursing homes).

Let us know what you decide to do, and how it works out.
Message: Posted by: Senor Fabuloso (Mar 15, 2019 05:51PM)
You don't have to work for free at nursing homes and retirement facilities and I wouldn't, as they have generous entertainment budgets. If you looking to work for nothing, hospitals will often welcome performers in some of there departments. Usually areas where there is down time, after a treatment but before going home.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 15, 2019 11:41PM)
Not many retirement homes in the United States have generous entertainment budgets. Nursing homes even less so. That may be true in Europe but in the United States it is just not factual in the least.
Message: Posted by: Wravyn (Mar 16, 2019 09:09AM)
[quote]On Mar 15, 2019, Dannydoyle wrote:
Not many retirement homes in the United States have generous entertainment budgets... [/quote]
Then again, wouldnít that depend on a persons own definition of generous?
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Mar 16, 2019 01:21PM)
Here are a couple of previous / older threads on this topic. There are many.

https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=595181&forum=17

https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?forum=44&topic=235335

https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=167994

https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=439071&forum=17

- Donald

P.S. Jim Austin has a Facebook Group named "Creating WOW Experiences for Seniors" that is all about doing magic shows for seniors. (If you're on Facebook, you might want to seek out that group and read through all of the posts.) He also sells a DVD set on the topic, that is priced very reasonably. Let me know if you need a link to his online store.

Here's a review of one of his DVD sets: http://www.mylovelyassistant.com/reviews/view/5165
Message: Posted by: nicetodd (Mar 16, 2019 04:46PM)
[quote]On Mar 16, 2019, Donald Dunphy wrote:
Here are a couple of previous / older threads on this topic. There are many.

https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=595181&forum=17

https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?forum=44&topic=235335

https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=167994

https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=439071&forum=17

- Donald

P.S. Jim Austin has a Facebook Group named "Creating WOW Experiences for Seniors" that is all about doing magic shows for seniors. (If you're on Facebook, you might want to seek out that group and read through all of the posts.) He also sells a DVD set on the topic, that is priced very reasonably. Let me know if you need a link to his online store.

Here's a review of one of his DVD sets: http://www.mylovelyassistant.com/reviews/view/5165 [/quote]

Many thanks for digging these up.
Message: Posted by: 55Hudson (Mar 17, 2019 09:42AM)
Most retirement homes have a budget for entertainment; the budget depends on how upscale the facility is.

I think of retirement communities in two categories - active 55 plus and asssited living homes

For the 55 + home, I do my regular show - and it better be good. This is the age where they are going on cruises and enjoying the golden years. Many will have seen good magic shows before. Not a venue to practice an unrefined show.

For asssited living, I basically do a childrenís show, minus the Coloring Book. Visible props, clear magic, lots of color - think color changing hank, egg bag - a white hank turns red and back again, an egg disappears and then reappears - simple concepts that can be enjoyed by those will all their facilities and those with diminished facilities. I also bring sponge balls for seriously vision and mentally impaired. I will often ask the staff for special residents that would enjoy that extra touch You will have to discuss volunteers with the staff - worry about mobility and falls. Only use volunteers that are preapproved by the staff.

My mother has dementia and I have a soft spot for this particular group. The two best things Iíve seen work with them is color changing hank and sponge balls.

Good luck!

Hudson
Message: Posted by: Senor Fabuloso (Mar 19, 2019 01:33AM)
[quote]On Mar 17, 2019, 55Hudson wrote:
Most retirement homes have a budget for entertainment; the budget depends on how upscale the facility is.
Hudson [/quote]

Nice to see someone who KNOWS, post in the thread :)
Message: Posted by: Keith Raygor (Mar 19, 2019 10:17AM)
55Hudson's take is dead-on. In my area, there's more than the average number of assisted living and 55+ communities, because of the large number of snowbirds here. Their entertainment budgets are commensurate with how upscale they are. There's plenty of places with budgets that would fit a beginner to intermediate performer, someone wanting to break into that market. In these communities, its typical to find yourself performing in a 'day room' or communal room that has plenty of space for wheel chairs and tables. These tend to be the assisted living facilities.

And there's plenty of venues for the polished pro that charges more. These communities typically have theater or performance spaces built in.

55Hudson's distinction between the two different types of shows for each market is also close to my experience.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 19, 2019 12:00PM)
Yea true, but then again the OP asked about nursing homes. Which do NOT have a generous budget for entertainment. Two entirely different types of performance.

At the 55+ communities you hardly have to make any adjustments at all.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Mar 19, 2019 12:42PM)
Exactly! Rather than offer advice unrelated to his interests and concerns, the fact remains the senior living facilities he (the OP) is talking about (assisted living, convalescent, nursing homes, etc.) DO NOT have generous entertainment budgets (fact not uninformed opinion) and operate completely different from senior communities with HOAs, actual entertainment budgets, and such.

Sure I've worked may Webb properties making $3,500 a show and The Villages in Florida making $5,000 a show but again that is not at all what close to the types of venues the OP is referencing. It's comparing watermelons and kumquats.

Senior communities are not for someone just trying "to ease back into this." Let provide some actual advice he can use with where is as at right now. There is much more helpful advice as some have offered that is better suited for him at his current level.

Seems those here that are trying to do this are getting resistance from those steering this off topic and his specific interests.
Message: Posted by: Keith Raygor (Mar 19, 2019 03:54PM)
[quote]On Mar 19, 2019, Dannydoyle wrote:
Yea true, but then again the OP asked about nursing homes. Which do NOT have a generous budget for entertainment. Two entirely different types of performance. [/quote]
He asked about both markets. Here's his opening post:
[quote]On Mar 13, 2019, nicetodd wrote:
I was thinking that I would do shows at some of the Active Retirement or Nursing homes[/quote]
He was specific in the markets he was seeking help in - Active Retirement (called 55 plus), and Nursing Homes (now called Assisted Living).

People actually working those markets read his OP, and answered the questions reflecting that. Those answers reflect each of the writers' experience. Your answers are a different matter altogether.
Message: Posted by: Keith Raygor (Mar 19, 2019 04:19PM)
[quote]On Mar 19, 2019, Mindpro wrote:
Sure I've worked may Webb properties making $3,500 a show and The Villages in Florida making $5,000 a show but again that is not at all what close to the types of venues the OP is referencing. It's comparing watermelons and kumquats. [/quote]
The Villages is exactly the type of community he asked about. It is a 55-plus (Active Retirement) community. That is the watermelons. Assisted Living (nursing homes) are the kumquats - both appearing in his opening post and question.

[quote]On Mar 19, 2019, Mindpro wrote:
Senior communities are not for someone just trying "to ease back into this." Let provide some actual advice he can use with where is as at right now. There is much more helpful advice as some have offered that is better suited for him at his current level. [/quote]
As I already said, there's plenty of places, especially in the Assisted Living market, with lower budgets, that are exactly the type of places to ease back into this.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 19, 2019 04:34PM)
Again the active living communities do not really require much if any adjustments to an act. Also they often have professional acts that come in regularly and a guy trying to get back into the business may need to work UP to it rather than looking at it as a place to start out.

I have never understood the logic of using nursing homes to ease into performance. Not many of the skills needed to perform translate from that market. But I guess that is another thread.

So lets take the measuring bs that comes with this always and help the OP. Is that a good idea? He is new so lets talk with him and not argue terms.

There is a large difference in the two markets mentioned in the OP. The nursing home is a place that will have very little if any budget for entertainment. I for one am not sure the skills developed will translate well to other markets.

The 55+ active living community is another story and quite often they have a budget to bring in top line entertainment. I personally do not think many adjustments will be needed as they are quite capable of enjoying what you do. This is a market with lots of competition from working professionals and may not be easy to get into when starting out. They pay well but expect quite a bit. What you find in this environment is guys from the entertainment world who are semi retired and really know how to entertain still!
Message: Posted by: Keith Raygor (Mar 19, 2019 05:53PM)
I agree with your comments about them being two different markets with two different needs. This was addressed early on by not only his question, but by responses from charliecheckers, Senor Fabuloso, you, me and 55Hudson, which pointed the OP more towards Assisted Living first, for a few different reasons. Senor Fabuoso even offered the suggestion of hospitals, which is a very good suggestion for reasons that benefit the hospital, the patients AND the beginning entertainer.

I think the answer to this:
[quote]On Mar 19, 2019, Dannydoyle wrote:
I have never understood the logic of using nursing homes to ease into performance.[/quote]
is addressed by your later sentence:
[quote]On Mar 19, 2019, Dannydoyle wrote:
The nursing home is a place that will have very little if any budget for entertainment.[/quote]

I really don't think there was much disagreement among those offering opinions and suggestions (based on their own experiences) until Mindpro's recent and odd post quoting his fees from years ago, and again questioning the value of others' inputs. If the knowledge and experience of others is continually questioned (especially by anyone constantly touting their own 'books'), then applying that same standard to that person is certainly more than fair. There's a big difference between measuring contests and speaking from verifiable experience.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Mar 20, 2019 12:43AM)
Of course, that's what you would think, would we expect anything else, lol. I have worked with many, many performers inquiring about the senior living markets and they almost always refer to local senior living "homes" or facilities as the OP clearly stated. Especially if interested in "easing" back into it.

Most that are familiar with senior "communities" typically come from more of a PAC background than they would senior living facilities or homes, hence there was no need to talk about such communities as that's not what was being referenced and taken off topic. And again, no they don't typically have anything close to what one would consider "generous budgets." As Donald's links referenced, some only pay $50-$75, while others $250 or $300 is considered very good (again prices provided for a point of reference, there was no measuring contest). Even though some of those links are old the market is generally unchanged as related to pricing.

While you may have interpreted it as two different things, many not knowing the actual terms and technical differences often tend to refer to them as one and the same which I'm pretty sure as was the case here with the OP, who can correct me if I am wrong. I don't believe for a minute he was asking about The Villages or similar "communities," but simply local senior living facilities or homes. I think this is you misunderstanding or taking this out context as you often like to do.

Who is touting any books? Old agendas seem hard to die.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 20, 2019 01:09AM)
OK so I hope the OP is not scared away.

We have two types of facilities. One is a traditional "nursing home" (In America I guess I should clarify.) and the other is a 55+ community.

The 55+ community is a market where you can make money. I know of 4 agents who specifically book these types of shows and have friends who do winter tours through Florida, and Arizona. They would require very little in the way of changing a professional show and many if not most have spaces to perform as well as a fair budget.

The "nursing homes" are for extended care of elder adults and have VERY little budget to work with for entertainment. Is is very nice to do shows for them, but it is not likely the skills learned will help become a professional entertainer. (In my opinion.)
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Mar 20, 2019 09:03AM)
I agree. I think the OP, as many new or first time poster's tend to do here, has posted his 1st post by simply asking what he thought was a good question, where he could have provided some more specifics and information on himself, where he is located, level of experience, the type of performer he is or is interested in, and other such clarifications that could make assisting him more accommodating.

All of this would have helped others here to better assist him, and prevent the tone this thread has taken.

The answers and direction he is seeking greatly depends on the specific type of venue and performance he is interested in. There are many things regarding tricks, performance dynamics, and booking such venues that we can assist him with once better clarified.
Message: Posted by: Keith Raygor (Mar 20, 2019 09:12AM)
[quote]On Mar 20, 2019, Mindpro wrote:
While you may have interpreted it as two different things, many not knowing the actual terms and technical differences often tend to refer to them as one and the same which I'm pretty sure as was the case here with the OP, who can correct me if I am wrong. I don't believe for a minute he was asking about The Villages or similar "communities," but simply local senior living facilities or homes. I think this is you misunderstanding or taking this out context as you often like to do. [/quote]
You're not making sense here, and the OP should know you're not speaking from a position of experience. I'm happy to provide to him my records of hundreds of shows over the last 31 years at 75 to 100 different "Active Retirement" communities and Assisted Living Facilities. In addition to that my Mom was an Activities Director for many years at several of them around The Villages, and my sister has been the same for over 30 years at Assisted Living facilities in the Midwest. Is your experience more relevant to this discussion, when using sentences such as this?: [i]I have worked with many, many performers inquiring about the senior living markets and they almost always refer to local senior living "homes" or facilities as the OP clearly stated.[/i]

In addition to that, a cursory look back will show that only you brought up The Villages. Not me. The Villages IS an Active Retirement community. The word is used repeatedly on their home page, and the phrase is exactly the phrase the OP used. It's important that he not be misled in his search for answers.

[quote]On Mar 20, 2019, Mindpro wrote:
Who is touting any books? Old agendas seem hard to die. [/quote]
This took 60 seconds to find on the search page, all written by you, and only from just the last 4 weeks - the very definition of your word 'agenda', and my word 'touting'.

[i]2-15-19
I cover all of this and so much more and of course how to use and monetize this in my Press and Media For Entertainers book.

2-25-19
I have done thousands of radio show for decades and even wrote the book Press and Media For Entertainers solely for this reason.

2-26-19
As I cover in great detail in the book (which has already generated over $1,000,000+ in free press and media coverage for performers . . .

3-8-19
I have released many books and have assisted other entertainers, speakers, authors, and business professionals in over 300 book releases and launches.

3-18-19
Perhaps my Press and Media For Entertainers books would be of great help to you as well.[/i]

As I've stated many times, my agenda is to provide correct information to fellow magicians. You are not a magician. May I share the link to your latest website in which you offer to teach people how to position themselves as experts and authorities in any field?

Answer THAT question, and we can go a long way towards Magicians Helping Magicians.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 20, 2019 10:05AM)
So that is a no on not having a measuring comedy. Great.
Message: Posted by: Keith Raygor (Mar 20, 2019 12:33PM)
As I said 2 posts back, ďThere's a big difference between measuring contests and speaking from verifiable experience.Ē One leads to Magicians Helping Magicians. I hope Iím not the only one that believes that.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 20, 2019 12:47PM)
Keith do you propose we ONLY post about things with which we have amount of and direct experience that you just proposed? Or is this just for this topic? Because lots of people will have a LOT fewer posts if this new idea is adopted. Not just those you dislike for whatever reason.

I am fine with it and have proposed it many times before. I am just trying to see where you stand on the matter?
Message: Posted by: thomasR (Mar 20, 2019 01:35PM)
There is a middle ground by the way. Iím not gonna try to figure out your definition of terms, but what I call a nursing home is a place where I perform and most or all of the audience are in wheelchairs or have limited mobility and / or limited thinking ability. This is the type of audience where you wonít get much response, and you really arenít going to be able to ask for participation. The show needs to be designed with them in mind. As others have mentioned, no sudden loud noises or surprises, more like bright colorful, simple to follow tricks.

There is senior center homes where residents basically live in their own apartment in a large building. That building usually has a space with a small stage where they get together for bingo, or movie nights etc. This isnít a retirement community with a large budget, but the audience will be able to follow along with various tricks and participate and pick a card and remember it etc. This is a great place for a simple stand up / parlor show. Usually there will be a few kids in the audience (grandkids etc. who were invited) and asking them to help with a trick is a big win.

These types of facilities have a budget for activities. They can usually pay in the $250 range in my experience.

Iíve performed at both of the described facilities, for pay. Itís not something I seek out, but when they contact me Iím happy to perform for them when Iím available.
Message: Posted by: Keith Raygor (Mar 20, 2019 01:40PM)
Danny, to your first question, the answer is no. I think its a ridiculous notion that came only from you, and not worth responding to your other questions and comments about it.

[i]"for whatever reason."[/i]
I've never been cryptic about my reason for questioning some of Mindpro's responses related to his constant impugning of other's contributions and opinions, and his many statements that most professionals would know are not born of experience. (the search page is perfect if you have doubt)

And if you're not welcoming of my own assessing of his questionable advice against the experience of professionals out working in the field, then you and I have different ideas of what the Cafť can be. He is as welcome to post what he likes, while others are welcome to question it. And if one chooses not to back up their repeated claims with evidence of real-world experience in the subject matter of the claim, an astute reader would continue searching for those with that same experience.

And when it's all done, maybe just try thanking Donald Dunphy, 55Hudson and thomasR for their excellent contributions to this topic and let it go at that.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 20, 2019 01:43PM)
Sure you push your hatred and it should be done.

Thank you for being honest about it at least.
Message: Posted by: Keith Raygor (Mar 20, 2019 01:56PM)
[quote]On Mar 20, 2019, Dannydoyle wrote:
push your hatred [/quote]

You're so dramatic.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 20, 2019 01:58PM)
And you're so transparent. Way to not get into measuring.

Don't worry. We will now adopt your standard and apply it to everyone.
Message: Posted by: TomBoleware (Mar 20, 2019 02:31PM)
Nursing Homes are a lot like Preschools, itís not that they donít have the money; itís that they donít see the value in what is being offered. Those who offer more than just magic entertainment can expect to be paid a little more. For example: The Owners and Directors love being viewed as an important part of the community, and they are, and will appreciate any free publicity you can get for them. You can invite the local newspaper to come take pictures and get a good write up in the Sunday paper. This write up should highlight the home too and not just the magician. Be sure to save your write upís to help book other shows.

Our local magic club used to do shows at some of the nursing homes and we encouraged them to invite family and friends to come sit in. Once I even took some kids from my daycare to watch the show and the members there loved it. Around Christmas time every year my wife would take some of the preschoolers to a couple of the nearby homes and sing. The elders loved watching and talking to the kids. So getting kids there to see your show when possible is a plus.

A word of warning oh, much like doing shows for kids, the elder audience is not for everybody, it takes a special person to please em.

Tom
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Mar 20, 2019 02:54PM)
[quote]On Mar 20, 2019, TomBoleware wrote:
Those who offer more than just magic entertainment can expect to be paid a little more. For example: The Owners and Directors love being viewed as an important part of the community, and they are, and will appreciate any free publicity you can get for them. You can invite the local newspaper to come take pictures and get a good write up in the Sunday paper. This write up should highlight the home too and not just the magician. Be sure to save your write upís to help book other shows. [/quote]


I agree. I have this book called Press & Media For Entertainers...
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 20, 2019 03:36PM)
[quote]On Mar 20, 2019, TomBoleware wrote:
Nursing Homes are a lot like Preschools, itís not that they donít have the money; itís that they donít see the value in what is being offered. Those who offer more than just magic entertainment can expect to be paid a little more. For example: The Owners and Directors love being viewed as an important part of the community, and they are, and will appreciate any free publicity you can get for them. You can invite the local newspaper to come take pictures and get a good write up in the Sunday paper. This write up should highlight the home too and not just the magician. Be sure to save your write upís to help book other shows.

Our local magic club used to do shows at some of the nursing homes and we encouraged them to invite family and friends to come sit in. Once I even took some kids from my daycare to watch the show and the members there loved it. Around Christmas time every year my wife would take some of the preschoolers to a couple of the nearby homes and sing. The elders loved watching and talking to the kids. So getting kids there to see your show when possible is a plus.

A word of warning oh, much like doing shows for kids, the elder audience is not for everybody, it takes a special person to please em.

Tom [/quote]

According to Keith's standards you are not allowed to post Tom. He has WAY more experience sorry.
Message: Posted by: TomBoleware (Mar 20, 2019 03:43PM)
Keith is one of the good guys Danny.
He knows I have more experience in magic than mindpro.

Tom
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 20, 2019 04:04PM)
Well lets prove that.
Message: Posted by: TomBoleware (Mar 20, 2019 04:08PM)
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Tom
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 20, 2019 04:22PM)
Yes you have FAR more experience doing daycare shows. Whooo hooo.
Message: Posted by: charliecheckers (Mar 20, 2019 05:27PM)
[quote]On Mar 20, 2019, thomasR wrote:
Iím not gonna try to figure out your definition of terms, but what I call a nursing home is a place where I perform and most or all of the audience are in wheelchairs or have limited mobility and / or limited thinking ability. This is the type of audience where you wonít get much response, and you really arenít going to be able to ask for participation. The show needs to be designed with them in mind. As others have mentioned, no sudden loud noises or surprises, more like bright colorful, simple to follow tricks.

There is senior center homes where residents basically live in their own apartment in a large building. That building usually has a space with a small stage where they get together for bingo, or movie nights etc. This isnít a retirement community with a large budget, but the audience will be able to follow along with various tricks and participate and pick a card and remember it etc. This is a great place for a simple stand up / parlor show. Usually there will be a few kids in the audience (grandkids etc. who were invited) and asking them to help with a trick is a big win.

These types of facilities have a budget for activities. They can usually pay in the $250 range in my experience.

Iíve performed at both of the described facilities, for pay. Itís not something I seek out, but when they contact me Iím happy to perform for them when Iím available. [/quote]

This is my experience as well. Nursing homes have 24 hour nursing care, and are designed for those with higher needs than assisted living, which may help with some lower level living needs. Nursing homes in my area usually house some rehab patients, that may have much higher functioning and only be there for several months.