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Topic: Long Live Physical CDs (Compact Discs)
Message: Posted by: Cartoonist (Apr 9, 2019 02:29PM)
I love having physical CDs for both music and software.

There is something reassuring about having a tangible tool (music or software CDs) that is lacking with intangibles (streaming/Internet based software - perpetual licenses).

Is there anyone else bothered by not having the ability to physically own CDs?

Living in Japan for several decades, I've found the Japanese to be extremely practical. The majority of music sold in Japan is on CDs. About 85% of all music sold in Japan moves around compact discs.

Although I don't own a cell phone, I do have several iPods with many .mp3s on them.

I love Adobe but loathe the subscription based model until death. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Chrome books eliminated CD slots by design so that Google could track every single thing we do online.

Intuitively, I believe (and I may be incorrect) that many people find an intrinsic value in having something physical to hold when purchasing something.

PS - Kudos to Arthur Stead. I have two of Arthur Stead’s CDs and they are simply amazing.
Even more powerful IMHO is the PDF available telling folks why commercial music is not a very good idea at all for performances - an in-depth, and quite frankly, an eye-opening assessment which I found upon deep reflection to be 100% accurate.
Message: Posted by: slowkneenuh (Apr 9, 2019 02:51PM)
CDs are great if you don't mind taking them with you wherever you like to play your music and have access to a CD/DVD player (increasingly harder to find in the states). Also your choice of music is limited to your physical collection.

Streaming music offers flexibility on devices, locations and music variety.

You're right on about Arthur's products. Great stuff that's entertaining, practical, and reasonably priced.
Message: Posted by: Cartoonist (Apr 10, 2019 01:01AM)
Thank you John,

Yes, I burn my CDs onto .mp3s and carry them on one of my iPods.
I do have some songs on .mp3s that are not from CDs, i.e., iTunes.

I've been "burnt" more than once on these songs with computer crashes and had to rebuy what I had previously bought as I foolishly hadn't backed up the library.
I get frustrated sometimes with the DRM (digital rights management) as I only want to copy some songs for my own use but have run into problems in the past.

I like having to own the original source material.

I'm like this with books as well. Although I have a Kindle, I like having the physical copies of books too.
As for software, I despise having to "rent my tools" and I'd just like to buy them outright but Adobe doesn't allow that.

I'm just curious why anyone would prefer only to have a digital copy when they could have a digital copy as well as the original source CDs like Arthurs?
Arthur is one of the world's foremost experts on producing music and the fact that he sells physical CDs and not digital ones reassures me that CDs do in fact have a place in the future.
Message: Posted by: gallagher (Apr 10, 2019 08:09AM)
Would anyone care to see pictures of my 8-track collection?

Iron Butterfly's Greatest Hits,...'In a Gadda da Vida' is cut,....twice(!).
🎶..don't you know I'll be. 🎶
Click. Click. Bonk. Burrrrr.

🎶...true-uuuh!🎶

Still,....
I love having 'something' in my hands!
gallagher
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Apr 10, 2019 10:58AM)
[quote]On Apr 9, 2019, Cartoonist wrote:
I love having physical CDs for both music and software.

There is something reassuring about having a tangible tool (music or software CDs) that is lacking with intangibles (streaming/Internet based software - perpetual licenses). ...[/quote]

They are nice, colorful, shiny, pretty good coasters and you can make stuff with them. Have you tried to read a CD? The old vinyl music formats were better for cover artwork - and making a comeback these days. And you can read them without computer software or even a computer!
Message: Posted by: lynnef (Apr 10, 2019 12:19PM)
Funny thing about vinyl... they are having a little bit of a comeback in the US. There is a quality to the music (including scratches, unfortunately) called "presence" that you don't get even with CD's. The downside, of course, is their bulk and difficult mobility. I don't miss the old moving days when I had to haul all those boxes of records. My uncle even had a record player in his car's glove compartment that would not skip when the car hit a bump! Nowadays, with bluetooth and cell phone playlists, there's lots more room for other junk. lol Lynn
Message: Posted by: Animated Puppets (Apr 10, 2019 12:25PM)
I believe I downloaded Arthur's music from his site and not a hard copy. I buy all my music from ITunes and can download them again if my hard drive fails, but I also back them up on an external.

Scratch a physical CD and you are pretty well out of luck. I don't buy DVD's anymore (when I can avoid it).

I do have a nice collection of Laserdiscs movies, but no longer have a device to play them. Eventually I will have them framed and hang them on the wall.
Message: Posted by: Animated Puppets (Apr 10, 2019 12:28PM)
[quote]On Apr 10, 2019, gallagher wrote:
Would anyone care to see pictures of my 8-track collection?

Iron Butterfly's Greatest Hits,...'In a Gadda da Vida' is cut,....twice(!).
🎶..don't you know I'll be. 🎶
Click. Click. Bonk. Burrrrr.

🎶...true-uuuh!🎶

Still,....
I love having 'something' in my hands!
gallagher [/quote]


8-tracks were great due to the ease of repair. :)
Message: Posted by: tommy (Apr 10, 2019 01:25PM)
I have a lot of old CDs that my new system will not play.
Message: Posted by: Cartoonist (Apr 10, 2019 02:06PM)
Gallagher, are you serious Sir? You still have 8-tracks? I think if you could figure out how to post of picture of them on here, people would love to see them. I suspect many have to no idea what they look like.

Thanks Mike, I didn't know Arthur had downloads, I have the physical CDs.

tommy, I would have hoped modern CD players were backwards compatible. I hope the CD standard worldwide was/is the same, unlike NTSC and PAL for North America and Europe for the old video.

Your uncle sounds like quite the character lynnef with a record player in the glove compartment - wow. I have many PDFs on my CDs though.

I have never tried to read a CD (binary) even though I'm not bad with numbers Jonathan.

My family's CD player is old, so old, it actually has an MD (mini disc) player as well as a cassette player and still performs as well today as it did when we got it.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 10, 2019 07:36PM)
Move forward. Eventually you will not be able to buy these things so getting so attached makes almost no sense. Lots of people had huge VHS or Beta collections that are nothing but door stops now.

To me it is more about what is on the medium and not the medium itself.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Apr 10, 2019 07:58PM)
The CDs I am referring to have things like books on, as opposed to music. I know a computer expert who can most likely get them to work for me but it is not easy if one is virtually computer illiterate like I am.
Message: Posted by: John Martin (Apr 11, 2019 11:55AM)
Literate or illiterate, eventually the CD will degrade and be unreadable.....computer expert or not. Having some kind of a digital backup would be a good idea.

John
Message: Posted by: tommy (Apr 11, 2019 12:42PM)
I thought a CD was some kind of a digital backup.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 11, 2019 01:11PM)
It is. Just not the best kind.
Message: Posted by: WitchDocChris (Apr 11, 2019 03:53PM)
Personally, I got tired of having to store and organize CDs. Not to mention the annoyance of trying to navigate them. All my music is digital now - either ripped from CDs I purchase and stored on my laptop, phone, and an external hard drive - or just purchased from places I know I can go back to and download again if necessary.

I also don't buy DVDs very often any more. I'd just rather have a digital copy.

It should note that CDs are not a terribly reliable storage medium. They can and do fail regularly.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 11, 2019 04:21PM)
They have a definite shelf life.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Apr 11, 2019 04:32PM)
I use the abobe cloud etcetera for photos and graphics, which use a lot of memory. I don’t really know what stores it but it is simple to use and also one gets access to a lot of other stuff. My daughter uses it more for her business, fashion, whereas I just play with it more or less.
Message: Posted by: Nem (Apr 12, 2019 04:04PM)
[quote]On Apr 11, 2019, Dannydoyle wrote:
They have a definite shelf life. [/quote]
Agreed, they do degrade over time. Backup your materials another or even multiple ways.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Apr 12, 2019 05:35PM)
[quote]On Apr 10, 2019, Cartoonist wrote:
...I have never tried to read a CD (binary) even though I'm not bad with numbers Jonathan....[/quote]
They are encoded. Sometimes with region specific codes (America, Europe, Japan ...)
Funny thing - once you want stereo you need to encode your music somehow - even if only to synchronize the two sources. Not so portable and... these days a microSD card (2TB!) and your cell phone can hold much more music than folks used to have in their LP collections.

Then we get to the fun of playlists, mixtapes, bonus beats and mashups. :D
Message: Posted by: landmark (Apr 12, 2019 11:01PM)
All media, no matter what the format has to be played on some device. That playback device and the format of the encoding will both be obsolete with time. By design and supposed efficiency.

That 2TB card is going to make a nice earring stud when the iPhone XX comes out. "It's 10:00PM, 2030. Do you know where your data is?"

Anyway, for the sake of argument, I'm not sure that having music available 24/7 is a great thing. We used to make music together in living rooms, on porches, in workplaces, places of worship, holidays, where music was about a relationship with other people. Or it was a special occasion when groups of people got together to hear musicians live.

Fortunately for printed matter, paper has a pretty good track record and doesn't appear to be on its way out. But the other day I was in a library in Manhattan, and it had two spacious floors. And there was a wonderful large space with rows of computers, and a few walls of current DVDs, and beautiful photos of birds and mountains on the walls, and an automatic check out machine, and photo displays of authors who had birthdays that month. There was a children's area where they could sit at tables and do homework and take poetry lessons. But as I left I said to the lonely man at the front desk, "It's a lovely comfortable library. Just one question...where the heck are the books?"

Now, get off my lawn.
Message: Posted by: gallagher (Apr 13, 2019 05:02AM)
Landmark,
at the risk of being crude,..
here's a little something to water your grass with. 🙂

On the back door(!...!), of a Berlin Public Library....
https://ibb.co/q7PS238

...just saw it yesterday(!).
Shalom.
gallagher
Message: Posted by: tommy (Apr 13, 2019 07:33AM)
The old Egyptian temples were not places where they stored their knowledge but rather the temples were the knowledge. One has to be initiated in order to read them, so it was pretty safe and lasted a long time.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 13, 2019 08:16AM)
Landmark there are still places in the works that gather to sing and play music. Heck it is the rare family near Branson that doesn't do exactly as you describe. My wife's family is from Spain and it happens weekly.

Do not despair! It happens a lot.
Message: Posted by: lynnef (May 14, 2019 06:00PM)
[quote]On Apr 13, 2019, Dannydoyle wrote:
Landmark there are still places in the works that gather to sing and play music. Heck it is the rare family near Branson that doesn't do exactly as you describe. My wife's family is from Spain and it happens weekly.

Do not despair! It happens a lot. [/quote]

Indeed (thanx Danny), and they're not just open mics either!!! Here in the SF/Bay Area, we have "pickin' and fiddlin' potlucks every month...good food, no bad vibes, people really sharing music and food with one another. Also some of the local musicians host parties at their own houses on occasion. If there are any local music shops in your area, check their bulletin boards. btw you are NOT required to perform. I often just listen! Lynn
Message: Posted by: tommy (May 14, 2019 07:51PM)
The pubs in Ireland are full of wonderful singers. My wife is Irish and she and all Irish girls seem to be able and willing singers. We English are less willing, more reserved I guess.
Message: Posted by: wulfiesmith (Jul 13, 2019 04:46PM)
A point well made ...
I too, feel exactly the same about possessing DVD's.

Its a tactile thing ...
Message: Posted by: Mr Salk (Jul 15, 2019 04:15PM)
The major point and advantage of physical media is completeness. Having MP3's of your favorite hits is great, it's like you're a DJ, but it doesn't even whiff the artists-vision.
To play a complete album/tape/CD as the artist intended is a completely different immersive experience than playing 12 random hit.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jul 15, 2019 06:38PM)
Do they even write music with that intent any more?
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Jul 24, 2019 05:19PM)
I’m old fashioned. To me, nothing beats an actual PHYSICAL CD or DVD that I can hold in my grubby little paws and say ‘It’s MINE. I own this, as opposed to some link floating around out there in cyber space that may or MAY NOT be around tomorrow.

I’ve been burned too many times with streaming. And when I get burned, I be steaming!!
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jul 24, 2019 05:32PM)
Not THAT old fashioned. An LP is old fashioned.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Jul 24, 2019 06:32PM)
I know. But they all tell me CD’s and DVD’s, my preference, are dinosaurs. So I guess that makes me old fashioned.

I’ll never change.
Message: Posted by: balducci (Jul 24, 2019 08:33PM)
The Ongoing History of New Music is a radio program produced in Canada. The program first aired in 1993 on CFNY-FM in Toronto. The Ongoing History chronicles the history of alternative rock, from its roots in punk and new wave to the modern day. An episode of the show may profile an important musician or band (Sex Pistols, The Smiths, R.E.M., Foo Fighters, The Cure, Nirvana, U2, Nine Inch Nails, The Velvet Underground, etc.), a significant musical trend such as grunge or Madchester, or a theme such as payola, gay musicians or significant cult figures.It was produced directly by CFNY until 2008, when Cross left the station to become the head of Corus' new media division.

In 2005, Cross also began production of a daily podcast available freely from their website.

Relevance? The Ongoing History of New Music did a great podcast on the history of the CD a while back.

You should be able to find it on various podcast sources (including Spotify, and also the Apple podcasts app). At the link below, look for the podcast from 2019-05-15:

https://www.podbean.com/podcast-detail/z35x7-4cb7e/Ongoing-History-of-New-Music-Podcast
Message: Posted by: wulfiesmith (Aug 6, 2019 11:22AM)
And what about vinyl?
a trend still "alive and well" with today's releases
Message: Posted by: landmark (Aug 6, 2019 12:57PM)
[quote]You should be able to find it on various podcast sources (including Spotify, and also the Apple podcasts app). At the link below, look for the podcast from 2019-05-15:

https://www.podbean.com/podcast-detail/z......-Podcast
[/quote]

direct link:
https://www.podbean.com/site/EpisodeDownload/DIR625F398FR3P3
Message: Posted by: S2000magician (Aug 6, 2019 01:11PM)
[quote]On Aug 6, 2019, wulfiesmith wrote:
And what about vinyl?[/quote]
For Father's Day I got vinyls of [i]Whipped Cream and Other Delights[/i] and (eventually) [i]Going Places[/i]: [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herb_Alpert]TJB[/url].

Very cool!
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Aug 6, 2019 03:53PM)
Herb Alpert, right?
Message: Posted by: S2000magician (Aug 6, 2019 04:10PM)
[quote]On Aug 6, 2019, daffydoug wrote:
Herb Alpert, right?[/quote]
Yup.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Aug 6, 2019 04:46PM)
Used to have them all on vinyl when I was a boy!

That cover on “Whip Cream” for me at that time was the stuff that dreams are made of. It wasn’t so much the whip cream that made me dream, but the “other delights” that got my young mind to thinkin’.

I wonder if she is still around?
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Aug 6, 2019 05:01PM)
This topic piqued my curiosity, so I looked it up. Wow! The story behind the album cover and the girl will blow you away! Here it is: https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/features/7370623/herb-alpert-whipped-cream-other-delights-story-behind-album-cover-50-years-later