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Topic: New Zippo effect
Message: Posted by: Skeleton (Apr 17, 2019 05:30AM)
Nice, I like it (just a little pricey):

https://www.murphysmagic.com/product.aspx?id=64214
Message: Posted by: weepinwil (Apr 17, 2019 07:54AM)
It is a little pricey but that is expected with electronics. I would want to know what the warranty is and how much replacement wicks are.

Too bad it is time and not remote controlled. Would be better for me to do a presentation on and then set the open lighter on the table. Later, when all is forgotten, the lighter lights itself and no one has recently touched it.

Also be a great haunted lighter effect if the lighter was aged and didn't look brand new.

Another concern for me, but maybe not relevant, is that in my area smoking has dropped to the level I am not sure how many people know what a zippo is and might look on it with suspicion. Especially a leather wrapped one.

Still looks like a neat effect and I would buy it if the concerns mentioned were addressed.
Message: Posted by: Sean Xem (Apr 17, 2019 09:04AM)
I agree with Willie; wish it wasn’t time controlled.

And if time controlled, why 5 or 10 seconds? Give us at least 30 secs or a minute to build it up once we’re hands off from the lighter.
Message: Posted by: Sebastian Oudot (Apr 17, 2019 10:34AM)
More infos here:

https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=690969&forum=218
Message: Posted by: weepinwil (Apr 17, 2019 01:44PM)
[quote]On Apr 17, 2019, Sebastian Oudot wrote:
More infos here:

https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=690969&forum=218 [/quote]

Not much more. But thanks for the link.
Message: Posted by: professortango (Apr 18, 2019 12:15PM)
I was intrigued until I heard the time limit. I'd love to introduce this as a belonging of a person in the beginning of a seance and have it light by itself awhile later once that character enters our communication. 10 seconds doesn't give you a lot of time. I also wonder if the lighter can be lit traditionally by a spectator or magician to prove its a regular lighter.
Message: Posted by: weepinwil (Apr 18, 2019 02:03PM)
[quote]On Apr 18, 2019, professortango wrote:
I was intrigued until I heard the time limit. I'd love to introduce this as a belonging of a person in the beginning of a seance and have it light by itself awhile later once that character enters our communication. 10 seconds doesn't give you a lot of time. I also wonder if the lighter can be lit traditionally by a spectator or magician to prove its a regular lighter. [/quote]

I think the answer would be no because it is electronic and not mechanical. I do not know for sure but imagine it must ignite with the button. I would like to hear from someone who has it.
Message: Posted by: DrTodd (Apr 23, 2019 04:24AM)
This looks excellent. It is entirely possible through scripting and delivery to use this in any bizarre presentation. Moving it from one side of the table to another, handing it across to a participant, placing it on the palm of someone partway through a demonstration, etc...There are many strengths to it being 'hands off' in this way, which is to say, there is no discernible control mechanism.
Message: Posted by: Lo Pan (Apr 24, 2019 09:31PM)
[quote]On Apr 23, 2019, DrTodd wrote:
This looks excellent. It is entirely possible through scripting and delivery to use this in any bizarre presentation. Moving it from one side of the table to another, handing it across to a participant, placing it on the palm of someone partway through a demonstration, etc...There are many strengths to it being 'hands off' in this way, which is to say, there is no discernible control mechanism. [/quote]

Yup - I agree, this looks very good, I just wonder how it would stand up to a little Bentley aging.
Message: Posted by: Lo Pan (Apr 24, 2019 09:34PM)
Meant gentle aging - to look similar to a lighter that had been used for a generation or so “my grandfathers lighter”
Message: Posted by: Delimbeau (Apr 26, 2019 01:09AM)
Does any if you own this already? It might be possible to shift the “inner works” into an old Zippo shell? Luc.
Message: Posted by: weepinwil (Apr 26, 2019 07:43AM)
[quote]On Apr 26, 2019, Delimbeau wrote:
Does any if you own this already? It might be possible to shift the “inner works” into an old Zippo shell? Luc. [/quote]

For the most part, those who have ordered it say the quality is poor and the coil falls off and the button falls off. Putting it in a real Zippo case will not fix these issues.

https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=690969&forum=218
Message: Posted by: Delimbeau (Apr 26, 2019 11:39AM)
[quote]the coil falls off and the button falls off. [/quote]

If that happens at your request, that's a magical feat, too. :-)
Message: Posted by: weepinwil (Apr 26, 2019 12:00PM)
[quote]On Apr 26, 2019, Delimbeau wrote:
[quote]the coil falls off and the button falls off. [/quote]

If that happens at your request, that's a magical feat, too. :-) [/quote]

Lol, don't think the posters were requesting that.
Message: Posted by: revenantproductions (Jun 7, 2019 03:34PM)
Hello All,

We ordered 2 for our show at the Queen Mary and the quality was beyond bad. The "High Quality Leather Case" feels like plastic to the touch and the unit is encased in a cheap knock off lighter body. The on/off switch on one unit fell off the first time we tried to turn it on, and the second unit lit only a half dozen times, and inconsistently at that, before failing altogether and never lighting again.

This could have been a great effect, and I would have paid twice as much for it, if it had been built in a genuine Zippo and functioned as advertised.

Save your money friends. Or better yet, use it to buy something epic from Gemini of Lebanon.

Best,
A.S.
Message: Posted by: Daisydog (Jun 7, 2019 05:22PM)
I was tempted, then started reading some reviews . Such a shame as the idea was great. I totally concur, stick to Dan and Vic for the best spooky service.
Message: Posted by: DrIlluminatus (Jun 25, 2019 01:57AM)
After seening the reviews I think I change my mind on this effect.. Seemed like a good idea
Message: Posted by: weepinwil (Jun 25, 2019 07:10AM)
[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, DrIlluminatus wrote:
After seening the reviews I think I change my mind on this effect.. Seemed like a good idea [/quote]

Me as well. I have enough problems with props already.
Message: Posted by: Skeleton (Jun 25, 2019 10:47AM)
[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, revenantproductions wrote:

This could have been a great effect, and I would have paid twice as much for it, if it had been built in a genuine Zippo and functioned as advertised.[/quote]

Based on your experience, would you say that doing so would be complicated and/or very expensive?
Message: Posted by: Lo Pan (Jun 25, 2019 10:11PM)
[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, Skeleton wrote:
[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, revenantproductions wrote:

This could have been a great effect, and I would have paid twice as much for it, if it had been built in a genuine Zippo and functioned as advertised.[/quote]

Based on your experience, would you say that doing so would be complicated and/or very expensive? [/quote]mm

In my experience and opinion I would say yes to both; unless you are very experienced working with electronics and making props, the project would be prohibitively difficult. If you do undertake the challenge please post your progress!
Message: Posted by: revenantproductions (Jun 26, 2019 02:58AM)
Considering that the tech and concept are all there. This could have been phenomenal. Instead, the creators used the cheapest materials available, produced an effect in mass and sold it at a very high price knowing it was crap.
Message: Posted by: weepinwil (Jun 26, 2019 07:04AM)
[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, Skeleton wrote:
[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, revenantproductions wrote:

This could have been a great effect, and I would have paid twice as much for it, if it had been built in a genuine Zippo and functioned as advertised.[/quote]

Based on your experience, would you say that doing so would be complicated and/or very expensive? [/quote]

Difficulty level would be dependent upon your patience and small tool skills. As for expense, unless you plan to mass produce you would probably be better to buy the original, take it apart, use the electronics, replace the switch with something more substantial, and adapt that for a real Zippo case. As an effect, I'd say it would take too much time, effort, and money for me; but, as a challenge I would do it. Sadly, for probably less than $10-15 more the builder of this effect could have solved all of the problems with it, had a quality product and a good reputation going forth into the next project. As it is, I'll never buy anything from them because of shoddy past work.

In their defense I would say their goal was not a quality product for a professional or performing magician, who wold have paid the extra price for quality product, but to make something cheap they could sell for a good profit to the trickster or non professional and non performer, who would not paid the extra.

If you have ever had the bottom fall out of the coffin during the walk to the grave, you understand the effect saving a few dollars using shoddy labor and less expensive parts can have upon your business. I may have the House of Discount Funerals, but we don't cut corners on containers.
Message: Posted by: weepinwil (Jun 26, 2019 08:01AM)
[quote]On Jun 26, 2019, weepinwil wrote:
[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, Skeleton wrote:
[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, revenantproductions wrote:

This could have been a great effect, and I would have paid twice as much for it, if it had been built in a genuine Zippo and functioned as advertised.[/quote]

Based on your experience, would you say that doing so would be complicated and/or very expensive? [/quote]

Difficulty level would be dependent upon your patience and small tool skills. As for expense, unless you plan to mass produce you would probably be better to buy the original, take it apart, use the electronics, replace the switch with something more substantial, and adapt that for a real Zippo case. As an effect, I'd say it would take too much time, effort, and money for me; but, as a challenge I would do it. Sadly, for probably less than $10-15 more the builder of this effect could have solved all of the problems with it, had a quality product and a good reputation going forth into the next project. As it is, I'll never buy anything from them because of shoddy past work.

In their defense I would say their goal was not a quality product for a professional or performing magician, who wold have paid the extra price for quality product, but to make something cheap they could sell for a good profit to the trickster or non professional and non performer, who would not paid the extra.

If you have ever had the bottom fall out of the coffin during the walk to the grave, you understand the effect saving a few dollars using shoddy labor and less expensive parts can have upon your business. I may have the House of Discount Funerals, but we don't cut corners on containers. [/quote]

At least not anymore.