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Topic: Rope Magic for Beginners
Message: Posted by: mindfreak2.0 (May 15, 2019 11:49AM)
Hey everyone,

I'm looking to expand my repertoire and I feel like rope magic is a fantastic direction to go in. That being said though, I am VERY NEW to rope magic and was hoping to get some advice.

What books and/or videos would you recommend to someone who is beginning in rope magic?
Message: Posted by: jimgerrish (May 15, 2019 01:57PM)
Http://wizkidzinc.com/DVDs/rope01/wizkidsROPE01.htm

https://www.magicnook.com/WIZj16/WIZ16-06BlendoRopesQuaFiki.htm

https://www.magicnook.com/MiniMysteries/MM-08PanamaRope.htm
Message: Posted by: Mr. Woolery (May 15, 2019 04:15PM)
I like Aldo Colombini’s rope videos. I understand that lybrary.com has at least a lot of the Colombini material.

I also like Fiber Optics by Richard Sanders.

That said, a basic cut and restored rope routine is a very powerful thing. It is in a lot of books and videos. Try to come up with a story to motivate the routine, and try to make it a vehicle for your character.

Patrick
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (May 15, 2019 07:56PM)
I have worked with Aldo. His material with rope is XLNT!

Abbott's has the "ENCYCLOPEDIA OF ROPE TRICKS. GREAT BOOK!
Message: Posted by: funsway (May 18, 2019 06:53AM)
"Self Working Rope Tricks" by Fulves can be a good place to start
Message: Posted by: Mary Mowder (May 18, 2019 11:56AM)
Flip
George Sands
Daryl
Aldo Colombini

Dennis Loomis' Knot Routine Plus really got me into Rope Magic. My partner Tom and I were lucky enough to be close friends with Dennis as he prepared to make the project. I had avoided Ropes prior to that because my dyslexia made them hard to follow. Dennis had a clear style and an easy approach to learning each trick. He has a lot of one off tricks that can be added to make a routine but don't require learning a long routine to get started.

-Mary Mowder
Message: Posted by: murf (May 18, 2019 02:58PM)
I'll second Funsway's suggestion of the Fulves book, and add Bill Severn’s Magic with Rope, Ribbon, & String.

Murf
Message: Posted by: Rainboguy (Jun 1, 2019 01:34PM)
Per Dick's advice, Abbott's Encyclopedia of Rope Tricks may be the best investment you will ever make!

In my opinion, it should be in every Magician's library.
Message: Posted by: Lichtagent (Jun 3, 2019 01:05AM)
Dear friends in magic,

in my opinion one of the most underestimated sources for good and fundamental knowledge is Marc Wilson‘s Complete Course in Magic...

I‘m definitely seconding anything said about Colombini, Daryl, Sands and Sanders above, but you‘ll find a load of fun to start with in this fine book.

Greetings from Germany

Chris
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jun 4, 2019 04:15AM)
Yes! The sequential drawings are vert helpful.
Message: Posted by: thomasR (Jun 10, 2019 12:04PM)
Pop Haydn’s Mongolian Pop Knot is a full routine that has both cut and restored, and professors nightmare. For like $20, the video / book download combo is a steal as that one routine is so solid and works literally anywhere.
Message: Posted by: JoeLyons (Jun 19, 2019 11:15AM)
Abbott's Encyclopedia of Rope Tricks is a great one. Also The Award-Winning Rope Magic of Francis Tabary explains his FISM act. He has some videos as well.
Message: Posted by: Gerald Deutsch (Jun 19, 2019 12:19PM)
Rope magic – like all magic – must be entertaining and so a routine is necessary.

In my thread of Perverse Magic on the Genii Forum I suggested such a routine on February 1, 2007 (Page 98 of the book “Gerald Deutsch’s Perverse Magic: The First Sixteen Years”) I suggested a routine based on what Slydini used to do.

The routine is:
1 A cut and restored rope
2 A repeat
3 Professor’s Nightmare

A card effect is done between 2 and 3 with the magician confused – as is the case with much Perverse Magic.
Message: Posted by: John Long (Jun 20, 2019 08:54PM)
[quote]On Jun 19, 2019, JoeLyons wrote:
Abbott's Encyclopedia of Rope Tricks is a great one. [/quote]

A clarification; Abbot's Encyclopedia of Rope came in 3 volumes, and I believe is not currently available, except for vol 1, or used copies of the others.
Howsomever, Stewart James' Encyclopedia of Rope Tricks comprises all of the Abbot volumes, and has a LOT of stuff.

If you want a simpler/cheaper book to start with, as mentioned above, Fulves' Self-Working Rope Magic is a good place to start.

If you want a DVD for getting started, as mentioned above, check out the Magic Nook's rope magic.
If you want a very thorough DVD, Daryl's Expert Rope Magic made Easy

John
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jun 23, 2019 04:25AM)
Anyone know if the current publication of Abbott's Encyclopedia of Rope tricks is all 3 volume in one book. The current book is 450 pages with added content.
The description does not say if it is a compilation or not.

https://www.abbottmagic.com/Encyclopedia-of-Rope-Tricks-bo00700.htm?categoryId=-1

Actually, I don't believe in the beginner question, if you see rope trick that amazed you, and can purchase the effect, then get it and work on it, until you have thoroughly learned it.

I remember when I 1st seen the Cut and Restored Rope effect. I liked it and wanted to know how I could perform it. So I went to the local magic shop, asked where I could learn the Cut and Restored Rope magic trick. The store owner did not have any reference for that simple trick. but he did have and sell the Sterling Short and Long rope trick. So I out out my 50 cents and bought the 2 pages of instructions in a little envelope. After reading and learning that effect, it as the best investment I ever made in purchasing a magic trick.

This is pure gold, and a winner for adults and children shows. Much better to have a complete routine, instead of just a cut and restored rope trick.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jun 23, 2019 11:12AM)
Harold Sterling's "Short and Long" routine is not not basically a cut & restored rope trick! Harold designed it as a comedy "frustration" bit with a boy. When it becomes obvious that the boy can't seem to "even up" the ends of a piece of rope, Harold would restore the "cut" rope.

Harold started with the Edward Victor method of cutting a rope, which is basically flawed. This results in a long piece of rope, and a short piece of rope. The two pieces are "linked". To achieve this, it's necessary to "do something" while the audience is staring at the "spot". Misdirection is required!

Leon Maguire wrote an article in "Hugards Monthly" in the mid '40s, which "fixes" the Victor move. I explained Leon's technique in my book.
Message: Posted by: John Long (Jun 23, 2019 09:27PM)
Bill:

The link you gave is to what I refer to as (Stewart James') "Encyclopedia of Rope Tricks".

Years ago I did a "match merge" of the old Abbot volumes and this new edition.
What I found was that every trick from Abbott's volume 1 (but I don't know now if I had every thing from vol 1, but I think I did.

Since I never owned vol's 2 & 3, I was able to only find a limited number of effects from vol 2 & 3. Yet, of those effects that I was able to locate, they are in the new version.

So there are a lot of unverified "matches".

If I remember correctly, the Magic Nook web site compiled a complete match-merge of the old volumes to the new.

It was always my understanding/impression that the new edition has all of the original three - but I can't verify that.

I hope that is clear

John
Message: Posted by: jimgerrish (Jun 23, 2019 10:16PM)
This is what we had as of 2005: https://www.magicnook.com/forum/abbottsrope01.htm
Message: Posted by: John Long (Jun 24, 2019 12:14PM)
Thanks Jim.

Yet, I thought you guys did the same compilation for volumes 2 & 3. I guess I was wrong.

For clarification,
-the Magic Nook has combined the author, effect name and the page number in the original volume 1. All of these
effects also appear in the new book.

- Stewart James "was uniquely qualified to compile and edit three volumes of The Encyclopedia of Rope Tricks..
All three books.. have been gathered together in this new, revised edition for the first time" [from the back
cover of The Encyclopedia of Rope Tricks]

My list includes the above and 26 effects from volumes 2 & 3 (I don't remember where I got that information from. I don't own those books)

If someone can send me a copy of the TOC for books 2 and 3, I will try to assimilate that into my list, and find a way to make that available to all, such as on https://magicref.net/magicbooks/index.htm, or even the Magic Nook if they are interested.

John
Message: Posted by: jimgerrish (Jun 24, 2019 04:57PM)
We're always interested, especially if someone offers to do the work of compiling the list! In that case, maybe I could complete the addition of volumes 2 & 3 with the Stewart James book (I never got the Abbott published volumes). Life is too short to do everything that needs to be done!
Message: Posted by: John Long (Jun 24, 2019 08:53PM)
Jim:

I'm not sure I am understanding you correctly - when you wrote "I never got the Abbott published volumes", I understand that to mean that you don't have volumes 2 & 3. Yet, that is what is needed. Someone needs to provide a TOC for each of those two volumes (I have very limited portions of the TOC's for volumes 2 & 3).

John
Message: Posted by: jimgerrish (Jun 24, 2019 11:08PM)
My mussteak! I thought you had them and just wanted them referenced to the Stewart James book. I guess we'll just have to keep looking for someone who can at least scan in the table of contents of those two books for us.