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Topic: Console by Mark Lemon / Ellusionist
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (May 23, 2019 12:16PM)
Just got the below notice from E. Intriguing. And I would preorder it if I knew what the heck it was! Some sort of prediction effect, I guess, involving your camera phone and the gadget you receive?

https://www.ellusionist.com/console-by-mark-lemon.html?mc_cid=83a4ffdedd&mc_eid=8da55be148

The FOMO is real but I just can't take the plunge without knowing a bit more in terms of whats involved.
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (May 23, 2019 12:18PM)
I swear I searched to make sure there were no other threads on this but I guess in the time it took me to post it, someone else started a thread.

Moderators feel free to delete this one as it came second.
Message: Posted by: Ryan Jacobs (May 23, 2019 12:25PM)
[quote]On May 23, 2019, PendletonThe3rd wrote:
I swear I searched to make sure there were no other threads on this but I guess in the time it took me to post it, someone else started a thread.

Moderators feel free to delete this one as it came second. [/quote]

No need. I deleted my thread.
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (May 23, 2019 12:35PM)
Trailer doesnít say anything.. wasted my time on this.
What do you receive? What is it capable of doing?
Message: Posted by: Yepski (May 23, 2019 12:38PM)
I Always laugh at the hate trailers get, I usually watch them and think, ďeh, itís not that bad.Ē But this trailer, WOW! I mean itís next level bad... not sure what, why, or how after that one. But Iím still interested in buying it, what does that say about me?
Message: Posted by: Ryan Jacobs (May 23, 2019 12:38PM)
[quote]On May 23, 2019, ArtIn wrote:
Trailer doesnít say anything.. wasted my time on this.
What do you receive? What is it capable of doing? [/quote]

That's a teaser during the pre-order phase......The main trailer will be released next week.
Message: Posted by: Yepski (May 23, 2019 12:43PM)
Ryan, any line of sight on what this is / isnít?
Message: Posted by: GordonTheHypnotist (May 23, 2019 12:46PM)
This looks like/ sounds (The video is super vague) like The Architect of Predictions or TAP by Gui Del Frate. The only difference is this seemingly has some kind of Bluetooth remote.
Message: Posted by: Yepski (May 23, 2019 01:29PM)
Maybe someone could elaborate in Secret Sessions?
Message: Posted by: Psy (May 23, 2019 01:32PM)
Its sound like TAP but the input method seems to include a Bluetooth controller
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (May 23, 2019 01:36PM)
[quote]On May 23, 2019, Ryan Jacobs wrote:
[quote]On May 23, 2019, PendletonThe3rd wrote:
I swear I searched to make sure there were no other threads on this but I guess in the time it took me to post it, someone else started a thread.

Moderators feel free to delete this one as it came second. [/quote]

No need. I deleted my thread. [/quote]

Thanks Ryan. Sorry about that.
Message: Posted by: 252life (May 23, 2019 01:49PM)
I took the plunge...fingers crossed and waiting to see what turns up. Thanks for starting the thread :)
Message: Posted by: videoman (May 23, 2019 02:09PM)
An electronic gizmo, where's Ustaad?
Message: Posted by: sOnrisemagic (May 23, 2019 02:12PM)
Letís be careful with what is said regarding this product. It really should go in the basement. Please donít be the person that says anything revealing about this
Message: Posted by: Hudson Lee (May 23, 2019 02:13PM)
From the perspective of anyone who owns tap, or the architect app, would a Bluetooth remote make things that much better?
Message: Posted by: pegasus (May 23, 2019 02:52PM)
Bluetooth is unreliable. Isnít that common knowledge?
Message: Posted by: videoman (May 23, 2019 03:02PM)
[quote]On May 23, 2019, pegasus wrote:
Bluetooth is unreliable. Isnít that common knowledge? [/quote]

Well, I read that on the Cafť occasionally but I don't know, maybe in a TV studio or on a large stage, but in general I find it extremely reliable.
I have never had a problem with my T watch and I listen to BT headphones daily and they work perfectly 99.9% of the time, which is good enough for me.

I tend to think it's more often an issue with the device (either transmitter or receiver) and not so much the fault of Bluetooth itself.
Message: Posted by: Hudson Lee (May 23, 2019 03:26PM)
@Pegasus my worries exactly. Iíve heard so many horror stories about Bluetooth Mentalism failing at gigs.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (May 23, 2019 03:31PM)
[quote]On May 23, 2019, videoman wrote:
[quote]On May 23, 2019, pegasus wrote:
Bluetooth is unreliable. Isnít that common knowledge? [/quote]

Well, I read that on the Cafť occasionally but I don't know, maybe in a TV studio or on a large stage, but in general I find it extremely reliable.
I have never had a problem with my T watch and I listen to BT headphones daily and they work perfectly 99.9% of the time, which is good enough for me.

I tend to think it's more often an issue with the device (either transmitter or receiver) and not so much the fault of Bluetooth itself. [/quote]

Well that remains to be seen. Others have had big problems as you well know.
Message: Posted by: Arielhamui (May 23, 2019 03:45PM)
Sounds like TAP with a remote control...
Message: Posted by: andrew124C41 (May 23, 2019 03:51PM)
Do the people at the Ellusionist really think anybody in their right mind would spring even 5 dollars for an effect based upon this absolutely useless trailer? Back in the early 90s, electronics for magic effects were pretty new. I build myself an alarm clock prediction effect after I saw a demo of one. Then there was the prediction with a mailed in VHS tape. I don't know how many of you guys saw that one? This is not for me that is for certain.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (May 23, 2019 04:11PM)
I personally find Bluetooth unreliable on everything . This ranges from hands free phone kits to pebble watches and magic gizmos .
On most things itís not that critical but for me at least on a magic effect I want as near as 100% all day everyday and Bluetooth doesnít give that imo .
A prime example is Rubiked , a great effect but it doesnít always pair and you have to start and synch from scratch again when it should already be able to find the cube .
Dedicated receivers like I have mentioned before are a no brainer to me but probably much more expensive to produce , I would rather pay more than just hope things have paired correctly Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (May 23, 2019 04:35PM)
Why are you all complaining about the trailer? Scroll down and read the description...
Message: Posted by: M Mykita (May 23, 2019 04:42PM)
I came hear to see if anyone had any better insight than that gawd-awful trailer. Not surprisingly, the discussion is about how useless the trailer is. The description below it is just as useless. It's all a great "teaser," I'll give them that. But you don't get my money until I have more than just a tiny inkling of what I'm getting. The one thing we did learn, as Gaz points out, is that it relies on Bluetooth technology, which already makes me nervous.

Hopefully somebody will buy one and love it and sing it's praises. But I don't have the discretionary income to take that risk.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan1000 (May 23, 2019 05:36PM)
I don't understand what advantage there is to posting an utterly useless video. Why bother shooting and editing a truly poor video when a good written description would be more informative and a hell of a lot cheaper? Is it that people don't realize that their video is a joke? Or is it a strategic ploy to get their product noticed? I have trouble believing it's the latter...
Message: Posted by: pablovaldes (May 23, 2019 06:16PM)
You really don't know how to read, it is very clear:

ďThis is electronic. Console allows you to step through history and take a disturbingly accurate photo that can be given to your audience in anypresent day prediction.

Produce a seemingly impossible picture of anything the spectator thinks of... a word, a time or significant number.

Multiple outs are for those who may be wrong. With console youíre right first time, every time.

The future is history.Ē

Obviously a spectator thinks of anything and with Console comes a Bluetooth Delorean that takes you to the past and you can date your Mom!!
Message: Posted by: Hudson Lee (May 23, 2019 07:26PM)
So letís assume for a moment that the Bluetooth works perfectly, and that is essentially TAP but with a remote, would TAP be improved with a Bluetooth remote? Iím not fishing for methodology, but I donít own tap, and Iím wondering if Purchasing a version with a remote would be better.
Message: Posted by: Gui Del Frate (May 23, 2019 08:03PM)
Hi, Hudson!

TAP (The Architect of Predictions) doesn't need a remote, but allowing to perform with an accomplice is something I'm studying to implement (though it's not necessary). In TAP you can predict numbers, words, objects, colors, dates or whatever you want, just with your phone without hiding nothing. The picture is real on your Camera Roll.

Console looks a lot like TAP, but there's very little information about the effect and the presentation on its web page.

I'll wait for it.

All my best,

Gui Del Frate
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (May 23, 2019 08:52PM)
[quote]On May 23, 2019, Gui Del Frate wrote:
Hi, Hudson!

TAP (The Architect of Predictions) doesn't need a remote, but allowing to perform with an accomplice is something I'm studying to implement (though it's not necessary). In TAP you can predict numbers, words, objects, colors, dates or whatever you want, just with your phone without hiding nothing. The picture is real on your Camera Roll.

Console looks a lot like TAP, but there's very little information about the effect and the presentation on its web page.

I'll wait for it.

All my best,

Gui Del Frate [/quote]

TAP is not Android compatible. A lot of the good Apps are one sided. Console is both, so if it turns out to be similar it does have advantages including a lottery routine mentioned earlier in this post.

Best

Steve
Message: Posted by: stanz (May 23, 2019 09:14PM)
Am waiting for TAP with accomplice mode...
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (May 23, 2019 09:19PM)
I read the description after watching the trailer. My first reaction was there is not enough information for me to even think about making a pre-order. Iím definitely not spending 149$ on something I know very little about. And additionally, I didnít think that the video or written explanation, offered something that I donít already have. As difficult as it may be, (🙄) not even BT is enough for me to take the plunge. Iíll wait until I see the next trailer . Or a few reviews. But I am interested in knowing more about it.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (May 23, 2019 10:12PM)
[quote]On May 23, 2019, Arielhamui wrote:
Sounds like TAP with a remote control... [/quote]

I agree.

From what I hear you get a number of potential photos possibilities and whatever you input in terms of a number or time ends up
On your photo roll via Bluetooth.
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (May 23, 2019 10:38PM)
Yes
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (May 23, 2019 10:48PM)
I bit the bullet on this one.
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (May 24, 2019 12:57AM)
I will go for TAP
Message: Posted by: doktorp (May 24, 2019 01:10AM)
I will no longer buy any magic/mentalism devices, that have to be connected to an app on my phone. If the developer no longer updates his app, you can throw away all these nice gimmicks.
Message: Posted by: w!=art (May 24, 2019 02:00AM)
Can anyone who has this thing or ellusionist itself describe what it does. Totaly unclear after the trailer. And tatally unclear after reading the "description" on their site. People that perform need to know what exactly this thing can do. Something like spectator names a number and within two seconds the number apears on your phone that was placed face down on the table and you never touched your phone after placing it down.You ask your spectator to turn around your or their phone two seconds later and what they see is their number they just thought of and said out loud. or spectator names a famous building and it apears on your or their phone instantly. Really sellers just describe exactly what it is and also what kind of things you have to do to make the mircale happen. Just saying that it sells out fast and that there are only a few items availbale and that it's so good is a bit to deceptive. This is to vague:"
Produce a seemingly impossible picture of anything the spectator thinks of... a word, a time or significant number".
Clearity please. Thanks in advance.
Message: Posted by: amirb401 (May 24, 2019 02:09AM)
[quote]On May 23, 2019, GordonTheHypnotist wrote:
This looks like/ sounds (The video is super vague) like The Architect of Predictions or TAP by Gui Del Frate. The only difference is this seemingly has some kind of Bluetooth remote. [/quote]
I could'nt agree more..

It seems that Ellusionist have done it again, with their 'perfect' hype methods, they do it time after time. blast a super vague trailer that wont show anything with a description that wont even explain in full what the effect is.
For a second I thought it lets you have a Physical picture (like a small polaroid printer) with the prediction until I came here.
Will definitally wont buy this, not until they come out with a clear explanation of what the hell is this or someone who bought it and will care to explain.
150$ for a "miracle" isn't much, but with their marketing methods I cant help myself but avoid it almost every mail I get.
Message: Posted by: highmagic (May 24, 2019 03:30AM)
It seems a step above TAP, since you could hand out your phone and operate it with the remote. This is my assumption as obviously I won't buy it based on that trailer.
With some additional work I assume you could also have the prediction printed by combining it with Vianney's BCR: so the phone would be completely out of play. Then the prediction would be "taken" from your favorite CTW
Message: Posted by: Ryan Jacobs (May 24, 2019 07:19AM)