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Just got the below notice from E. Intriguing. And I would preorder it if I knew what the heck it was! Some sort of prediction effect, I guess, involving your camera phone and the gadget you receive? https://www.ellusionist.com/console-by-mark-lemon.html?mc_cid=83a4ffdedd&mc_eid=8da55be148 The FOMO is real but I just can't take the plunge without knowing a bit more in terms of whats involved. |
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I swear I searched to make sure there were no other threads on this but I guess in the time it took me to post it, someone else started a thread. Moderators feel free to delete this one as it came second. |
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[quote]On May 23, 2019, PendletonThe3rd wrote: I swear I searched to make sure there were no other threads on this but I guess in the time it took me to post it, someone else started a thread. Moderators feel free to delete this one as it came second. [/quote] No need. I deleted my thread. |
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Trailer doesn’t say anything.. wasted my time on this. What do you receive? What is it capable of doing? |
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| I Always laugh at the hate trailers get, I usually watch them and think, “eh, it’s not that bad.” But this trailer, WOW! I mean it’s next level bad... not sure what, why, or how after that one. But I’m still interested in buying it, what does that say about me? |
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[quote]On May 23, 2019, ArtIn wrote: Trailer doesn’t say anything.. wasted my time on this. What do you receive? What is it capable of doing? [/quote] That's a teaser during the pre-order phase......The main trailer will be released next week. |
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| Ryan, any line of sight on what this is / isn’t? |
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| This looks like/ sounds (The video is super vague) like The Architect of Predictions or TAP by Gui Del Frate. The only difference is this seemingly has some kind of Bluetooth remote. |
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| Maybe someone could elaborate in Secret Sessions? |
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| Its sound like TAP but the input method seems to include a Bluetooth controller |
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[quote]On May 23, 2019, Ryan Jacobs wrote: [quote]On May 23, 2019, PendletonThe3rd wrote: I swear I searched to make sure there were no other threads on this but I guess in the time it took me to post it, someone else started a thread. Moderators feel free to delete this one as it came second. [/quote] No need. I deleted my thread. [/quote] Thanks Ryan. Sorry about that. |
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| I took the plunge...fingers crossed and waiting to see what turns up. Thanks for starting the thread :) |
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| An electronic gizmo, where's Ustaad? |
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| Let’s be careful with what is said regarding this product. It really should go in the basement. Please don’t be the person that says anything revealing about this |
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| From the perspective of anyone who owns tap, or the architect app, would a Bluetooth remote make things that much better? |
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| Bluetooth is unreliable. Isn’t that common knowledge? |
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[quote]On May 23, 2019, pegasus wrote: Bluetooth is unreliable. Isn’t that common knowledge? [/quote] Well, I read that on the Café occasionally but I don't know, maybe in a TV studio or on a large stage, but in general I find it extremely reliable. I have never had a problem with my T watch and I listen to BT headphones daily and they work perfectly 99.9% of the time, which is good enough for me. I tend to think it's more often an issue with the device (either transmitter or receiver) and not so much the fault of Bluetooth itself. |
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| @Pegasus my worries exactly. I’ve heard so many horror stories about Bluetooth Mentalism failing at gigs. |
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[quote]On May 23, 2019, videoman wrote: [quote]On May 23, 2019, pegasus wrote: Bluetooth is unreliable. Isn’t that common knowledge? [/quote] Well, I read that on the Café occasionally but I don't know, maybe in a TV studio or on a large stage, but in general I find it extremely reliable. I have never had a problem with my T watch and I listen to BT headphones daily and they work perfectly 99.9% of the time, which is good enough for me. I tend to think it's more often an issue with the device (either transmitter or receiver) and not so much the fault of Bluetooth itself. [/quote] Well that remains to be seen. Others have had big problems as you well know. |
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| Sounds like TAP with a remote control... |
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| Do the people at the Ellusionist really think anybody in their right mind would spring even 5 dollars for an effect based upon this absolutely useless trailer? Back in the early 90s, electronics for magic effects were pretty new. I build myself an alarm clock prediction effect after I saw a demo of one. Then there was the prediction with a mailed in VHS tape. I don't know how many of you guys saw that one? This is not for me that is for certain. |
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I personally find Bluetooth unreliable on everything . This ranges from hands free phone kits to pebble watches and magic gizmos . On most things it’s not that critical but for me at least on a magic effect I want as near as 100% all day everyday and Bluetooth doesn’t give that imo . A prime example is Rubiked , a great effect but it doesn’t always pair and you have to start and synch from scratch again when it should already be able to find the cube . Dedicated receivers like I have mentioned before are a no brainer to me but probably much more expensive to produce , I would rather pay more than just hope things have paired correctly Gaz 🙂 |
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| Why are you all complaining about the trailer? Scroll down and read the description... |
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I came hear to see if anyone had any better insight than that gawd-awful trailer. Not surprisingly, the discussion is about how useless the trailer is. The description below it is just as useless. It's all a great "teaser," I'll give them that. But you don't get my money until I have more than just a tiny inkling of what I'm getting. The one thing we did learn, as Gaz points out, is that it relies on Bluetooth technology, which already makes me nervous. Hopefully somebody will buy one and love it and sing it's praises. But I don't have the discretionary income to take that risk. |
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| I don't understand what advantage there is to posting an utterly useless video. Why bother shooting and editing a truly poor video when a good written description would be more informative and a hell of a lot cheaper? Is it that people don't realize that their video is a joke? Or is it a strategic ploy to get their product noticed? I have trouble believing it's the latter... |
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You really don't know how to read, it is very clear: “This is electronic. Console allows you to step through history and take a disturbingly accurate photo that can be given to your audience in anypresent day prediction. Produce a seemingly impossible picture of anything the spectator thinks of... a word, a time or significant number. Multiple outs are for those who may be wrong. With console you’re right first time, every time. The future is history.” Obviously a spectator thinks of anything and with Console comes a Bluetooth Delorean that takes you to the past and you can date your Mom!! |
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| So let’s assume for a moment that the Bluetooth works perfectly, and that is essentially TAP but with a remote, would TAP be improved with a Bluetooth remote? I’m not fishing for methodology, but I don’t own tap, and I’m wondering if Purchasing a version with a remote would be better. |
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Hi, Hudson! TAP (The Architect of Predictions) doesn't need a remote, but allowing to perform with an accomplice is something I'm studying to implement (though it's not necessary). In TAP you can predict numbers, words, objects, colors, dates or whatever you want, just with your phone without hiding nothing. The picture is real on your Camera Roll. Console looks a lot like TAP, but there's very little information about the effect and the presentation on its web page. I'll wait for it. All my best, Gui Del Frate |
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[quote]On May 23, 2019, Gui Del Frate wrote: Hi, Hudson! TAP (The Architect of Predictions) doesn't need a remote, but allowing to perform with an accomplice is something I'm studying to implement (though it's not necessary). In TAP you can predict numbers, words, objects, colors, dates or whatever you want, just with your phone without hiding nothing. The picture is real on your Camera Roll. Console looks a lot like TAP, but there's very little information about the effect and the presentation on its web page. I'll wait for it. All my best, Gui Del Frate [/quote] TAP is not Android compatible. A lot of the good Apps are one sided. Console is both, so if it turns out to be similar it does have advantages including a lottery routine mentioned earlier in this post. Best Steve |
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| Am waiting for TAP with accomplice mode... |
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| I read the description after watching the trailer. My first reaction was there is not enough information for me to even think about making a pre-order. I’m definitely not spending 149$ on something I know very little about. And additionally, I didn’t think that the video or written explanation, offered something that I don’t already have. As difficult as it may be, (🙄) not even BT is enough for me to take the plunge. I’ll wait until I see the next trailer . Or a few reviews. But I am interested in knowing more about it. |
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[quote]On May 23, 2019, Arielhamui wrote: Sounds like TAP with a remote control... [/quote] I agree. From what I hear you get a number of potential photos possibilities and whatever you input in terms of a number or time ends up On your photo roll via Bluetooth. |
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| Yes |
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| I bit the bullet on this one. |
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| I will go for TAP |
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| I will no longer buy any magic/mentalism devices, that have to be connected to an app on my phone. If the developer no longer updates his app, you can throw away all these nice gimmicks. |
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Can anyone who has this thing or ellusionist itself describe what it does. Totaly unclear after the trailer. And tatally unclear after reading the "description" on their site. People that perform need to know what exactly this thing can do. Something like spectator names a number and within two seconds the number apears on your phone that was placed face down on the table and you never touched your phone after placing it down.You ask your spectator to turn around your or their phone two seconds later and what they see is their number they just thought of and said out loud. or spectator names a famous building and it apears on your or their phone instantly. Really sellers just describe exactly what it is and also what kind of things you have to do to make the mircale happen. Just saying that it sells out fast and that there are only a few items availbale and that it's so good is a bit to deceptive. This is to vague:" Produce a seemingly impossible picture of anything the spectator thinks of... a word, a time or significant number". Clearity please. Thanks in advance. |
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[quote]On May 23, 2019, GordonTheHypnotist wrote: This looks like/ sounds (The video is super vague) like The Architect of Predictions or TAP by Gui Del Frate. The only difference is this seemingly has some kind of Bluetooth remote. [/quote] I could'nt agree more.. It seems that Ellusionist have done it again, with their 'perfect' hype methods, they do it time after time. blast a super vague trailer that wont show anything with a description that wont even explain in full what the effect is. For a second I thought it lets you have a Physical picture (like a small polaroid printer) with the prediction until I came here. Will definitally wont buy this, not until they come out with a clear explanation of what the hell is this or someone who bought it and will care to explain. 150$ for a "miracle" isn't much, but with their marketing methods I cant help myself but avoid it almost every mail I get. |
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It seems a step above TAP, since you could hand out your phone and operate it with the remote. This is my assumption as obviously I won't buy it based on that trailer. With some additional work I assume you could also have the prediction printed by combining it with Vianney's BCR: so the phone would be completely out of play. Then the prediction would be "taken" from your favorite CTW |
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[quote]On May 23, 2019, andrew124C41 wrote: Do the people at the Ellusionist really think anybody in their right mind would spring even 5 dollars for an effect based upon this absolutely useless trailer? [/quote] Over 100 iPhone users (sold out now) and many Android users already have at $149. This is a teaser. Only meant to wet the appetite of people during the pre-order phase. As a lover of magic, I and the team personally miss the old days. Where you had to go off the description in magic catalogs alone, or the hearsay from a brick 'n' mortar Magic Shop owner. We miss that excitement. So we've decided to slowly drip out assets for this release in particular. Many were sold on it right now. If you weren't, feel free to wait for the full trailer and the product page launching next week.. although if you use an iPhone, you're already too late. Thanks Andrew. |
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[quote]On May 23, 2019, Yepski wrote: Ryan, any line of sight on what this is / isn’t? [/quote] Hey Yepski! Sure. Essentially it's an electronic device for mentalism. The effect is to produce a photo of a word, time, initials, significant numbers, a lucky lottery ticket etc etc. The Team would have my balls if I gave too much away, as they want to build excitement as we slowly release assets over the next week, but as iPhone devices have already sold out in around 12 hours, I don't think it's too damaging to say what I've said. Many magic companies or artists distort the truth (or lie) and bring up an arbitrary number of years for the development of their trick. eg."We've been working on this for 3 years" We signed the contract with Mark and started work on this two years ago. Jen in our warehouse has shipped each unit back and forth the UK (from our warehouse in Cali) twice to update the firmware as we've been developing this effect. It was at great expense, but it led to a much better product as the months went on. We're all internally proud of how this wasn't rushed to the market and we sacrificed a Xmas release to ensure both the app and the device were as good as they can be when adding new features. Console is the real deal and something we have a full-time app guy on Staff to support. This means constant development and new features as the magic market discovers the possibilities of Console. |
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[quote]On May 24, 2019, Ryan Jacobs wrote: [quote]On May 23, 2019, Yepski wrote: Ryan, any line of sight on what this is / isn’t? [/quote] Hey Yepski! Sure. Essentially it's an electronic device for mentalism. The effect is to produce a photo of a word, time, initials, significant numbers, a lucky lottery ticket etc etc. The Team would have my balls if I gave too much away, as they want to build excitement as we slowly release assets over the next week, but as iPhone devices have already sold out in around 12 hours, I don't think it's too damaging to say what I've said. Many magic companies or artists distort the truth (or lie) and bring up an arbitrary number of years for the development of their trick. eg."We've been working on this for 3 years" We signed the contract with Mark and started work on this two years ago. Jen in our warehouse has shipped each unit back and forth the UK (from our warehouse in Cali) twice to update the firmware as we've been developing this effect. It was at great expense, but it led to a much better product as the months went on. We're all internally proud of how this wasn't rushed to the market and we sacrificed a Xmas release to ensure both the app and the device were as good as they can be when adding new features. Console is the real deal and something we have a full-time app guy on Staff to support. This means constant development and new features as the magic market discovers the possibilities of Console. [/quote] Not wanting to pry too much, but: 1. is the picture a solid printed picture or one on your photos photo album? 2. Also they say a spectator has a free choice of any word, is that a free choice from a list or just pulled from their own imagination? |
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| Ryan, thx for the update and dang the sellout happened very quickly. I have an iPhone, so... |
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I recently had some bad experience with Ellusionist, package getting lost, unclear communication, months of needing to write to them over and over again asking what is wrong. Finally I cancelled the order, they payed me back, but of course not shipping costs, etc. Because of that I will not buy from them anymore, at least not anything that has to be shipped to Europe. I like some of their products, so it's a pity, but the trust is gone. Which is pretty important when buying something which is already often partly unclear to begin with. |
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| My understaffing is the photo appears on your photo roll on your phone or you could use an optional mini printer in ones pocket. |
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[quote]On May 24, 2019, saysold1 wrote: My understaffing is the photo appears on your photo roll on your phone or you could use an optional mini printer in ones pocket. [/quote] Spot on. You guys are good!!! Saves to your camera roll or can be printed using an optional polaroid pocket printer.... and loaded into your CTW or just revealed from a pocket/envelope. - G |
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[quote]On May 23, 2019, pegasus wrote: Bluetooth is unreliable. Isn’t that common knowledge? [/quote] Very much so. At the gym when people using their phones and have their own wireless BT headphones on, my AirPods sometimes will crap out. So BT is most certainly not reliable enough for performances IMO. Don't know if this is still true if using the BT 5 standard. I'm not even sure if most magic products using BT even uses the v4 standard. LoL. Even though it's probably reliable 80% or so of the time, that's a very large margin of failure and we know that things tend to fail at the most inopportune times. |
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[quote]On May 24, 2019, kissdadookie wrote: [quote]On May 23, 2019, pegasus wrote: Bluetooth is unreliable. Isn’t that common knowledge? [/quote] Very much so. At the gym when people using their phones and have their own wireless BT headphones on, my AirPods sometimes will crap out. So BT is most certainly not reliable enough for performances IMO. Don't know if this is still true if using the BT 5 standard. I'm not even sure if most magic products using BT even uses the v4 standard. LoL. Even though it's probably reliable 80% or so of the time, that's a very large margin of failure and we know that things tend to fail at the most inopportune times. [/quote] Indeed.. therefore what is required within this gimmick is a reliable confirmation signal that ensures that, not only has the signal been sent, but also received and completed. |
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[quote]On May 24, 2019, pegasus wrote: Indeed.. therefore what is required within this gimmick is a reliable confirmation signal that ensures that, not only has the signal been sent, but also received and completed. [/quote] There's feedback to confirm each input. So you know it's been successfully entered. |
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| If the printer portion can be streamlined, then I am certainly interested in following their restock. Will there be a price mark up for future releases? |
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[quote]On May 24, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote: [quote]On May 24, 2019, pegasus wrote: Indeed.. therefore what is required within this gimmick is a reliable confirmation signal that ensures that, not only has the signal been sent, but also received and completed. [/quote] There's feedback to confirm each input. So you know it's been successfully entered. [/quote] I figured that even if not, you guys could probably do firmware updates to add such a feature :) |
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| What happens if you don’t get confirmation part way through ? The reason I ask is I have other Bluetooth magic devices that also confirm in stages but unfortunately the effect is in progress at that point and can leave you in a bit of bother if you don’t get a buzz etc at the mid point , Gaz 🙂 |
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[quote]On May 24, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote: What happens if you don’t get confirmation part way through ? The reason I ask is I have other Bluetooth magic devices that also confirm in stages but unfortunately the effect is in progress at that point and can leave you in a bit of bother if you don’t get a buzz etc at the mid point , Gaz 🙂 [/quote] You are also supplied with an invisible deck as an alternative out. |
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[quote]On May 24, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote: [quote]On May 24, 2019, pegasus wrote: Indeed.. therefore what is required within this gimmick is a reliable confirmation signal that ensures that, not only has the signal been sent, but also received and completed. [/quote] There's feedback to confirm each input. So you know it's been successfully entered. [/quote] This is the same as the T watch. As Pegasus states, confirming the input is only half the battle, confirming that the input has been properly received and the action completed is even more important IMO. This is one really great aspect of Joao Miranda's new watch. |
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Huh. Has João ever actually confirmed in writing here at the Café exactly *which* communications system he’s using for the watch? Promystic as one example utilizes a 2 way non Bluetooth for certain products. Round trip communication is a different animal I’m told. |
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| Round trip communication is paramount for the working pro. Ask Oz Pearlman. |
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One product I own requires Wi-fi for a one time only connection , after this you can be on a desert island with no Wi-fi or 4g but it still connects to your phone without fail . I have absolutely no idea how it works but it does every time , I admit I haven’t tested the desert island scenario as yet but tried a remote beach in Goa and it worked great lol Gaz 🙂 |
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| T looks like they are currently sold out of IOS version. Only android version left. |
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| Given they said they've got a full time app developer on it, they won't be sold out for long. The profits from thirty grand worth of sales won't go far, especially if there's hardware to make. |
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| I think it’s the electronic hardware that is sold out for iOS. I don’t think it’s the app. According to description they made 250 pieces of hardware that’s shipping st the end of the month |
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[quote]On May 24, 2019, pegasus wrote: Round trip communication is paramount for the working pro. Ask Oz Pearlman. [/quote] I haven't heard that story. Would love to read/hear/see it. Can you help? |
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| After reading some other information here, I’m starting to like the idea more and more. If this can do what Photo prediction and TAP can, I may save myself from purchasing TAP and wait for this to come out. Unless PP’s update happens before. Honestly, I’ve had some pretty harsh criticism for Gui in the past, ( which I apologized for ) but his products are worth every penny and will deliver a powerful punch to your audience. So I guess I’m stuck right in the middle of Console and TAP. I hate the wait game as much as the next person. But strategy is a part of the sales game. And this seems to be working as planned from what I’m reading. |
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[quote]This is a teaser. Only meant to wet the appetite of people during the pre-order phase. As a lover of magic, I and the team personally miss the old days. Where you had to go off the description in magic catalogs alone, or the hearsay from a brick 'n' mortar Magic Shop owner. We miss that excitement. [/quote] May I kindly point out that your statement completely contradicts the raison-d'etre of this section of the forum? This section thrives because we were sick of buying stuff off descriptions in magic catalogs, only to be dissappointed mostly when it would arrive and the description would technically be correct but the trick would turn out to be very meh. I DIDN'T't get excited by a bombastic, pseudo-dramatic vid with no actual content that ends with a guy on his back in a parking lot. (People who get excited by guys on their back in parking lots have other forums btw). PS For an example of the kind of advertisement people here DO like: take a look at Jason Knowles' latest vid for Flat Pack. That gets people excited. No guys in parking lots. Just good magic. |
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[quote]On May 25, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: [quote]This is a teaser. Only meant to wet the appetite of people during the pre-order phase. As a lover of magic, I and the team personally miss the old days. Where you had to go off the description in magic catalogs alone, or the hearsay from a brick 'n' mortar Magic Shop owner. We miss that excitement. [/quote] May I kindly point out that your statement completely contradicts the raison-d'etre of this section of the forum? This section thrives because we were sick of buying stuff off descriptions in magic catalogs, only to be dissappointed mostly when it would arrive and the description would technically be correct but the trick would turn out to be very meh. I DIDN'T't get excited by a bombastic, pseudo-dramatic vid with no actual content that ends with a guy on his back in a parking lot. (People who get excited by guys on their back in parking lots have other forums btw). PS For an example of the kind of advertisement people here DO like: take a look at Jason Knowles' latest vid for Flat Pack. That gets people excited. No guys in parking lots. Just good magic. [/quote] I have too completely agree with this. Jason’s method for advertising his product is imo, the best way to do it. He shows you exactly what you’re getting while also providing multiple views of what you’re getting. By far one of the best authentic advertised effects I’ve seen. While I’ve spent hundreds of dollars on effects that disappointed me. ( the M-5 veal years back 🤦♂️ )I can imagine how disappointed I’d be if I spent 150 $ on something I’ll never use. Sometimes it takes the words of others to point out certain things we might not see ourselves. |
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| The unmasked magician, for the win |
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| Crap trailer, limited supply, vague details, pre-order = Alarm Bells Ringing. |
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[quote]On May 25, 2019, funnyclown wrote: I think it’s the electronic hardware that is sold out for iOS. I don’t think it’s the app. According to description they made 250 pieces of hardware that’s shipping st the end of the month [/quote] Oh yeah, my point is that they won't be sold out for long. They clearly intend to sell many more than 250 of them, otherwise they wouldn't be in a position to justify a full time app developer for a week. Also, I'd be stunned if the hardware is different between iOS and Android. |
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[quote]On May 26, 2019, pegasus wrote: Crap trailer, limited supply, vague details, pre-order = Alarm Bells Ringing. [/quote] Hold your horses. You forgot "expensive" and "pretentious blurb". |
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[quote]On May 26, 2019, Morganjj wrote: [quote]On May 25, 2019, funnyclown wrote: I think it’s the electronic hardware that is sold out for iOS. I don’t think it’s the app. According to description they made 250 pieces of hardware that’s shipping st the end of the month [/quote] Oh yeah, my point is that they won't be sold out for long. They clearly intend to sell many more than 250 of them, otherwise they wouldn't be in a position to justify a full time app developer for a week. Also, I'd be stunned if the hardware is different between iOS and Android. [/quote] We will be stocking more. 300 were made initially. 50 to the creator for lectures / friends and 250 to us. 249 if you count the one we gave to Will (our app developer) .... Will has been on staff for about 3 years, so his job isn't directly tied to the success or longevity of this product though. For iPhone users, we'll be sticking up a pre-pre order once the initial units ship on Wednesday. We're already working with the manufacturers on more hardware. But the app IS open for anyone to download for $50 (Console buyers get it FREE) The reason for the pre-order (we've had the stock for weeks) was app store approval (which we have) ... it took an extra bit to get through Apple as we're officially working with Polaroid to use parts of their code for optional printing. The person that approved the test flight version left their job in the time it took to get the final units manufactured ..... As you can imagine with a company their size it was many levels of red tape to cut through before we got to the (new) right person. Looping these people in takes time in a corporate environment, but that's all perfect now. That is probably TOO much information and many of you won't care, but I think for the sake of transparency it gives a lot more confidence in the product - knowing that we're not smoke-screening people with a pre-order because the product is underwhelming, but it was to help us build hype. The app will go live in the app & play store on Tuesday with plenty of time for Console buyers to download it when they get their device (arriving from Thursday onwards depending on where you live in the world - we ship from California). All in all this is exciting for us and it's showed us (before we invested in thousands of units) that although the phone market is more android, the magic app buying market is overwhelmingly iPhone. - G |
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[quote]On May 24, 2019, Ryan Jacobs wrote: [quote]On May 23, 2019, andrew124C41 wrote: Do the people at the Ellusionist really think anybody in their right mind would spring even 5 dollars for an effect based upon this absolutely useless trailer? [/quote] Over 100 iPhone users (sold out now) and many Android users already have at $149. This is a teaser. Only meant to wet the appetite of people during the pre-order phase. As a lover of magic, I and the team personally miss the old days. Where you had to go off the description in magic catalogs alone, or the hearsay from a brick 'n' mortar Magic Shop owner. We miss that excitement. So we've decided to slowly drip out assets for this release in particular. Many were sold on it right now. If you weren't, feel free to wait for the full trailer and the product page launching next week.. although if you use an iPhone, you're already too late. Thanks Andrew. [/quote] Also a lot of garbage where sold in these days that way. There is nothing wrong with showing a full performance. You are the head of marketing right..... |
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[quote]On May 26, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote: [quote]On May 26, 2019, Morganjj wrote: [quote]On May 25, 2019, funnyclown wrote: I think it’s the electronic hardware that is sold out for iOS. I don’t think it’s the app. According to description they made 250 pieces of hardware that’s shipping st the end of the month [/quote] Oh yeah, my point is that they won't be sold out for long. They clearly intend to sell many more than 250 of them, otherwise they wouldn't be in a position to justify a full time app developer for a week. Also, I'd be stunned if the hardware is different between iOS and Android. [/quote] We will be stocking more. 300 were made initially. 50 to the creator for lectures / friends and 250 to us. 249 if you count the one we gave to Will (our app developer) .... Will has been on staff for about 3 years, so his job isn't directly tied to the success or longevity of this product though. For iPhone users, we'll be sticking up a pre-pre order once the initial units ship on Wednesday. We're already working with the manufacturers on more hardware. But the app IS open for anyone to download for $50 (Console buyers get it FREE) The reason for the pre-order (we've had the stock for weeks) was app store approval (which we have) ... it took an extra bit to get through Apple as we're officially working with Polaroid to use parts of their code for optional printing. The person that approved the test flight version left their job in the time it took to get the final units manufactured ..... As you can imagine with a company their size it was many levels of red tape to cut through before we got to the (new) right person. Looping these people in takes time in a corporate environment, but that's all perfect now. That is probably TOO much information and many of you won't care, but I think for the sake of transparency it gives a lot more confidence in the product - knowing that we're not smoke-screening people with a pre-order because the product is underwhelming, but it was to help us build hype. The app will go live in the app & play store on Tuesday with plenty of time for Console buyers to download it when they get their device (arriving from Thursday onwards depending on where you live in the world - we ship from California). All in all this is exciting for us and it's showed us (before we invested in thousands of units) that although the phone market is more android, the magic app buying market is overwhelmingly iPhone. - G [/quote] So what's the advantage of purchasing the whole $149 products compared to the $50 dollar app? I'd the physical electronic device necessary for performance? Limitations of we only purchase the $50 app ?? Sleepy |
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"All in all this is exciting for us and it's showed us (before we invested in thousands of units) that although the phone market is more android, the magic app buying market is overwhelmingly iPhone." This is equally true in the non-magic world as well. You can generate a lot of revenue on Android, but only with free to play mechanics. While there are many many more Android phones out there than iPhones, there's a lot less will to buy apps up front. |
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| Messaged Ellusionist, Geraint, and Adam Wilber a few questions about the product. None of them bothered to get back to me. As a purchaser, this leaves a bad taste in my mouth. |
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[quote]On May 27, 2019, Blindside785 wrote: Messaged Ellusionist, Geraint, and Adam Wilber a few questions about the product. None of them bothered to get back to me. As a purchaser, this leaves a bad taste in my mouth. [/quote] Where did you message us on a bank holiday weekend/memorial day weekend, Blindside785? Was it via the support@ellusionist.com email? |
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[quote]On May 27, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote: [quote]On May 27, 2019, Blindside785 wrote: Messaged Ellusionist, Geraint, and Adam Wilber a few questions about the product. None of them bothered to get back to me. As a purchaser, this leaves a bad taste in my mouth. [/quote] Where did you message us on a bank holiday weekend/memorial day weekend, Blindside785? Was it via the support@ellusionist.com email? [/quote] Scratch that. I've found it in my magic Café inbox. Received SUNDAY 9:44am. Just over 24 hours ago. To say "none of them bothered to get back to me" when sending a message on a Sunday when everyone is off work is more than a bit mis-leading for our other potential customers. |
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| All answered, through Instagram which Adam and Ellusionist seem active through. But all is answered now and I’m more than thrilled to receive it . |
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| I’m going to do something absolutely crazy and wait to form my opinion until I receive it. |
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| You must be out of your mind! Where's the sense in that?! |
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| I don't want to cause panic or put pressure on you, but please realize: if everybody would only write stuff when they have a valuable opinion at least 99% of the content of this forum would disappear... :lol: |
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| Lmao |
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[quote]On May 27, 2019, 252life wrote: I’m going to do something absolutely crazy and wait to form my opinion until I receive it. [/quote] What a novel idea. |
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[quote]On May 24, 2019, highmagic wrote: It seems a step above TAP, since you could hand out your phone and operate it with the remote. This is my assumption as obviously I won't buy it based on that trailer. With some additional work I assume you could also have the prediction printed by combining it with Vianney's BCR: so the phone would be completely out of play. Then the prediction would be "taken" from your favorite CTW [/quote] I’m not sure this is necessarily a step above TAP as with TAP you can hand out your phone and have the participant do the dirty work for you, which is exactly what I do in one of my routines. Mark |
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A bluetooth product that allows you to change the photo on the MAGICIAN'S smartphone?! For $149 ?! I may be missing something, but, I'm not impressed. You gotta love Ellusionist's brilliant marketing. G Ro |
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[quote]On May 28, 2019, Greg Rostami wrote: You gotta love Ellusionist's brilliant marketing. G Ro [/quote] Most of this thread consists of us not loving the marketing. |
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[quote]On May 28, 2019, Greg Rostami wrote: A bluetooth product that allows you to change the photo on the MAGICIAN'S smartphone?! For $149 ?! I may be missing something, but, I'm not impressed. You gotta love Ellusionist's brilliant marketing. G Ro [/quote] Yeah, you missed something. They haven’t offered a complete set of instructions for an additional $70.00 yet... |
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Also, I doubt Ellusionist trolls your threads. Maybe they augment their lack luster marketing by showing a little class. |
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| Do you get a mini printer with this as well? |
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| Didn’t take Rostami long to pipe up |
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[quote]On May 28, 2019, cardbiker wrote: Didn’t take Rostami long to pipe up [/quote] It’s become predictable |
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[quote]On May 28, 2019, 252life wrote: Also, I doubt Ellusionist trolls your threads. [/quote] We don't bother talking about products we know nothing about :P |
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| Well, I believe the tutorial will be available for me to view tomorrow so I can give my initial thoughts then. I have and use WikiTest and Inject so hopefully this will be as solid of a release as the others. |
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[quote]On May 28, 2019, 252life wrote: Also, I doubt Ellusionist trolls your threads. Maybe they augment their lack luster marketing by showing a little class. [/quote] 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Profile of Greg Rostami A bluetooth product that allows you to change the photo on the MAGICIAN'S smartphone?! For $149 ?! I may be missing something, but, I'm not impressed. You gotta love Ellusionist's brilliant marketing. G Ro This is just my personal opinion But Greg, I’m not entirely sure you’re qualified to ridicule anyone in magic these days . But I’ve been wrong before. |
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| I agree with Greg that a bluetooth app to change a picture on YOUR phone is not impressive, but we need to consider the "printing" part (which takes the phone out of play). It will really depends on the input methods. Waiting for real reviews |
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Hey Everyone, Updates updates updates + MORE IPHONE STOCK We're launching Console today. It's in the app/play store now available for people to download. Search ‘Console by Mark Lemon’ … -------------------- BUYERS READ HERE -------------------- Devices are shipping out TODAY. On your Console box will be a sticker for you to email support for your code. (This gets you the app FREE) If you want your code early, email support@ellusionist.com with your console receipt and wait until you get it BEFORE downloading the Console app (and paying for it) - this means it'll be ready for when your device arrives. You will have 24 hours from the moment your code is sent to you and the moment it expires. This is to stop the potential of people's codes being marked as claimed when they're not, or people requesting more than one working code. I can’t stress this enough. Only one code will be given per customer. Any app tweaks, suggestions or presentation ideas can be shared in the Console Ideas Facebook Group. Request an invite here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/2321487544773847/ Or ask me on Facebook if I know you and I'll invite you. (NOTE: People I'm not friends with have their messages go into a box called OTHER and I may not see it.) As with incredible releases like Quiver, Cipher, Level One & Deadlock - we’ve seen some of the best presentational ideas and handling tips coming from users in these groups. It’ll become a valuable resource for you and a developmental melting pot for us as a company. This isn’t a one and done release. It’s one we want to continually develop/add features to. Explanations will be in your Ellusionist account TODAY by 5pm GMT / Midday EST / 9am PST … probably before, but definitely by then. By the time you’re watching the instructions, your order would have already shipped. (Warehouse opens at 6am PST and all pre-orders have been boxed up already this week). --------------------------------- POTENTIAL BUYERS READ HERE --------------------------------- With 53 units left from our Android stash, we're now moving them to available iPhone units TODAY. THESE WILL SHIP IMMEDIATELY if bought. The console device will work on both iPhone and Android, what caused the split of stock was the free app codes we generated (as we've priced the app at $50 on the app/play store) This means you'll be able to buy the Console device for $99 for iPhone, but you WILL need to buy the app separately. It'll work out the same price as everyone else paid, but it's just spreading the cost over 2 purchases. One from us and one from buying 'Console by Mark Lemon' in the app store. Let me repeat. 1. Buy the console device for iPhone from us for $99 2. Buy the app separately from the app store. Android customers won't be affected. They'll get the app code from us as usual when purchasing it for $149 (as the first device buyers will too). ------------------------------ ONCE THE STOCK IS GONE —————————————— We’re already in the process of a re-order of units that will arrive shortly with us. Probably within 45 days. After the initial units from Pre-order phase have gone (only 50 units as of writing this) it’ll display a message on the page about a Pre-pre order that you can get your name down for. This means you’ll be buying and securing your name for a Console device as soon as they come to us. Any questions, feel free to ask here. This second batch will be priced at $99, but you’ll need to buy the app separately. ———————————————————————————————————— WHAT IF I BUY THE APP AND HAVE TO WAIT 45 DAYS FOR MY DEVICE? ———————————————————————————————————— One effect. The Lottery Prediction can be performed without the device using a CIpher-esque fake calculator input. This in my view (of course I’d say that, but it is) is worth the price of the app alone at $50. For those waiting for their device in the pre-pre order phase (or those who just want to perform this one effect) …. You’ll be able just by the $50 app and start performing. PRE-PRE ORDERERS !!!! - Instructions for this will be added to your Ellusionist account once your pre-order Is made. APP ONLY BUYERS !!!!! - Instructions will be published on unique MagicStream.com links attainable via support@ellusionist.com - Get the app and email us your receipt for instructions. - On the next build / update, we’ll be adding the ‘get started guide’ to the app so that instructions for app only buyers will appear immediately in the app. This should happen within 30 days from now. So if you’re eager, just buy and email us with your App Store receipt and we’ll hook you up. If you can wait, the next build will have this feature. I think that’s everything, but feel free to ask questions HERE and we’ll keep you all updated. We’re super proud of this one and can’t wait to see what you all do with it once it arrives. - G |
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Can I use my £4 bluetooth remote with the app? This - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2mXsZ4u1A8 I use this with Inject with no problems. Are there any demos before spending £50 for an app? Can you elaborate what the Lottery effect actually is? |
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What's the actual purpose of the device? Why do I need the device rather than just have the app? Sleepy |
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[quote]On May 29, 2019, SleepyMagic wrote: What's the actual purpose of the device? Why do I need the device rather than just have the app? Sleepy [/quote] You can only do one trick with the app. All the other routines are unlocked with the Console device. - G |
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| Ahh you see? Unlocked. So, no, you cannot perform it with your 4 Pound remote. |
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| The remote allows for a T9 sort of operation. I’m not certain how other remotes would translate, probably not well. Still going through instructions, but I really like what I see. |
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| Swerved right by my questions 😂 |
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Is the 60 day return policy for just the device ($99) , or the total price including the app($149)? thanks |
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| If this is what John archer pulled off on britains g t I want one 😜 |
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| Trailer will be live in the next hour to show you all what this is / does.... :) |
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[quote]On May 29, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote: Trailer will be live in the next hour to show you all what this is / does.... :) [/quote] Look forward in watching it |
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| I may by the app just for the lottery effect if I can see a demo. |
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| Does the app work with other BT remotes as well? |
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In the App Store it states, Ultra Mind Reading Device Console allows out to step through the folds of time and take a disturbingly accurate photo that can be given to your audience in any present day prediction. Produce a seemingly impossible picture of anything a spectator thinks of: A word, a time, a significant number. Multiple outs are for those that may be wrong. With Console you’re right the first time, every time. This app works best when paired with the Ellusionist.com Console device by Mark Lemon. Looks like things are starting to become a little more clear to me on what this actually does. And from what I’m seeing, it’s got my attention for sure. If this does what I’m picturing it can, then I’m sold on this. Just gotta wait until a couple full reviews or a the trailer we’ve all been waiting for. |
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[quote]On May 29, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote: In the App Store it states, Ultra Mind Reading Device Console allows out to step through the folds of time and take a disturbingly accurate photo that can be given to your audience in any present day prediction. Produce a seemingly impossible picture of anything a spectator thinks of: A word, a time, a significant number. Multiple outs are for those that may be wrong. With Console you’re right the first time, every time. This app works best when paired with the Ellusionist.com Console device by Mark Lemon. Looks like things are starting to become a little more clear to me on what this actually does. And from what I’m seeing, it’s got my attention for sure. If this does what I’m picturing it can, then I’m sold on this. Just gotta wait until a couple full reviews or a the trailer we’ve all been waiting for. [/quote] Trailer is LIVE: https://www.ellusionist.com/console-by-mark-lemon.html Was it what you expected? |
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| Watched the tutorial. Looks promising. Some clever effects built in. Will require practice to master the remote but doesn’t sound too difficult. Some great functionality built in including the ability to back date the photo in your gallery |
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| Looks good... it mentions in the trailer about some bits that you can do with the participants own phone, what can be done? |
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[quote]On May 29, 2019, Johnsypoppins wrote: Looks good... it mentions in the trailer about some bits that you can do with the participants own phone, what can be done? [/quote] You can search google covertly, make predictions in their notes or predict any city or town in the world using their maps. Without ever having your phone in play. |
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Do you need assistants for any city/ any word etc. Or do you input everything through the "device" ?? Thanks |
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| I'm tempted to buy this but I will wait to see what Greg Rostami's XTRACT has to offer. |
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[quote]On May 29, 2019, SleepyMagic wrote: Do you need assistants for any city/ any word etc. Or do you input everything through the "device" ?? Thanks [/quote] Everything is input through the device. No assistants needed... but they can be used if you want to. |
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Thank you! On my to buy list definitely! Sleepy |
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[quote]On May 29, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote: You can search google covertly, make predictions in their notes or predict any city or town in the world using their maps. Without ever having your phone in play. [/quote] Cheers mate! |
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[quote]On May 29, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote: Trailer will be live in the next hour to show you all what this is / does.... :) [/quote] Well, no. The trailer shows ONLY reactions to reveals, but a full performance still isn't available. How awkward/difficult/obvious is the data entry process that occurs during the performance? Moreover, the product page on Ellusionist warns that it will sell out during the pre-sale that's going on, so we better buy now and not take the risk of waiting to learn more. Seriously? Is that the new argument for hooking us into pre-sales? |
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| Will Console work with any Bluetooth printer? Or does it have to be a Polaroid? |
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Are the words the spectator thinks of from a list of words/cards and therefore a restricted selection of words. Or can the spectator literally think of any word in a the world? |
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| Any word |
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| Any word. Any number. Any date. Tutorial shows live performances of all effects. Each one takes 2-4 min. You obviously need to enter the info and wait for pic to print if you want to have a printed pic. |
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[quote]On May 29, 2019, Hudson Lee wrote: Will Console work with any Bluetooth printer? Or does it have to be a Polaroid? [/quote] Polaroid Zip printer specifically. In the app is a link to a specific one. I don’t have the app yet. |
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[quote]On May 29, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote: [quote]On May 29, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote: In the App Store it states, Ultra Mind Reading Device Console allows out to step through the folds of time and take a disturbingly accurate photo that can be given to your audience in any present day prediction. Produce a seemingly impossible picture of anything a spectator thinks of: A word, a time, a significant number. Multiple outs are for those that may be wrong. With Console you’re right the first time, every time. This app works best when paired with the Ellusionist.com Console device by Mark Lemon. Looks like things are starting to become a little more clear to me on what this actually does. And from what I’m seeing, it’s got my attention for sure. If this does what I’m picturing it can, then I’m sold on this. Just gotta wait until a couple full reviews or a the trailer we’ve all been waiting for. [/quote] Trailer is LIVE: https://www.ellusionist.com/console-by-mark-lemon.html Was it what you expected? [/quote] Alright!!!! This surpassed my expectations. The reactions had me dying in laughter. It got that “certain” smile from me. ( real magic lovers will know this smile ) There’s only one last question from me. The reactions Mark got, were thoses routines he performed using an assistant or did “he” do the dirty work for the reactions he got? |
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[quote]On May 29, 2019, Silverstar wrote: I'm tempted to buy this but I will wait to see what Greg Rostami's XTRACT has to offer. [/quote] Where can I find more info about this? |
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| So it has to be Polaroid zip? I’ve got a Polaroid mint that I’d rather use if I was able to not buy a whole new system. |
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| The Polaroid Mint is smaller than the Zip, hence it should be more suitable for close-up settings... |
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[quote]On May 30, 2019, highmagic wrote: The Polaroid Mint is smaller than the Zip, hence it should be more suitable for close-up settings... [/quote] So either one works with the app? |
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[quote]On May 30, 2019, highmagic wrote: The Polaroid Mint is smaller than the Zip, hence it should be more suitable for close-up settings... [/quote] We've never tested the mint, but if you have one & console and it works, let us know and we'll update the product page. :) |
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| What’s a Polaroid mint ????? |
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| Https://www.polaroid.com/products/polaroid-mint-instant-digital-pocket-printer |
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Does the Polaroid pocket printer go to sleep after a while and therefore you will need to firmly press the power button to turn it on again? I don't have that problem with the HP Sprocket as you can disable the auto power off function. |
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[quote]On May 30, 2019, TazBo wrote: Does the Polaroid pocket printer go to sleep after a while and therefore you will need to firmly press the power button to turn it on again? I don't have that problem with the HP Sprocket as you can disable the auto power off function. [/quote] No simple answer to that as it depends on a setting. Mark covers it in the video. |
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[quote]On May 30, 2019, WitchDocChris wrote: [quote]On May 30, 2019, TazBo wrote: Does the Polaroid pocket printer go to sleep after a while and therefore you will need to firmly press the power button to turn it on again? I don't have that problem with the HP Sprocket as you can disable the auto power off function. [/quote] No simple answer to that as it depends on a setting. Mark covers it in the video. [/quote] So you are not denying that the Polaroid printer goes to sleep and there is no way of totally stopping it doing this. I bought one a while ago and sent it back as I don't want to be turning it on mid performance. HP Sprocket is far better. Hopefully you will support the HP Sprocket printer. |
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Sounds good but since the cost is hefty, I will wait for honest, real-world reviews. Michael |
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| How can that amount of information be inputted quickly and discreetly |
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[quote]On May 30, 2019, cardbiker wrote: How can that amount of information be inputted quickly and discreetly [/quote] It does a lot.... BUT you don't put it ALL in one trick. If you watch the trailer some tricks are just a word, lottery numbers, or a city... some are a cuisine, time and reservation initials. The potential is there for it to do everything stated, but not all at once. |
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| He says this will only work with the Zip printer because of how difficult it is to get all the necessary coding from other manufacturers. Re the sleep feature, you can’t adjust the iOS version but if you have access to an android phone, you can pair the printer with the android and go into the settings to set it to never sleep. Once you do that, you can go back to using your iphone and the adjustment you made using the android phone will apparently remain active on the printer. |
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| That's what I meant by it's setting dependent. |
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| I am very confused as to whether these have been released, or only available for pre-sale. I received an e-mail last evening that stated shipping now, and within 10 minutes of receiving that email, it stated they were sold out. If these are only available for pre-sale, has anybody seen the actual product? I cannot find any reviews. Anyone?? |
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We've only just started shipping them. The only people who have the full product are the developers, really. I'm sure reviews will be coming in soon, about a week or less I'd guess for initial opinions. The app is available and I'm sure people will play with that as well. You can do the lottery routine without the Console device and it's pretty solid. |
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[quote]On May 30, 2019, WitchDocChris wrote: We've only just started shipping them. The only people who have the full product are the developers, really. I'm sure reviews will be coming in soon, about a week or less I'd guess for initial opinions. The app is available and I'm sure people will play with that as well. You can do the lottery routine without the Console device and it's pretty solid. [/quote] What do you use as justification for the calculator to be used within the context of the lottery routine? |
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That's down to the performer isn't it? But like a TOXIC force, you can have them enter numbers in the context of generating a random number (which can be forced). |
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[quote]On May 30, 2019, magicguyri wrote: I am very confused as to whether these have been released, or only available for pre-sale. I received an e-mail last evening that stated shipping now, and within 10 minutes of receiving that email, it stated they were sold out. If these are only available for pre-sale, has anybody seen the actual product? I cannot find any reviews. Anyone?? [/quote] It was for pre-sale with a limited number of units. We sold out of iPhone stock within hours. Then we moved some remaining Android stock into iPhone and emailed everyone. Sold out of everything very quickly and units started shipping yesterday. Those in California (where our warehouse is located) will be getting theirs before everyone else based on shipping distance, but you should see some people by this weekend starting to give you their reviews after getting the device. - G |
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[quote]On May 30, 2019, emyers99 wrote: He says this will only work with the Zip printer because of how difficult it is to get all the necessary coding from other manufacturers. Re the sleep feature, you can’t adjust the iOS version but if you have access to an android phone, you can pair the printer with the android and go into the settings to set it to never sleep. Once you do that, you can go back to using your iphone and the adjustment you made using the android phone will apparently remain active on the printer. [/quote] You have been really helpful. Thank you. |
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[quote]On May 30, 2019, emyers99 wrote: He says this will only work with the Zip printer because of how difficult it is to get all the necessary coding from other manufacturers. Re the sleep feature, you can’t adjust the iOS version but if you have access to an android phone, you can pair the printer with the android and go into the settings to set it to never sleep. Once you do that, you can go back to using your iphone and the adjustment you made using the android phone will apparently remain active on the printer. [/quote] I have the zip and there is now a setting in the iOS app that allows an always on option. I double checked before posting this :-) |
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| Any idea when restock will happen? |
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[quote]On May 30, 2019, Hudson Lee wrote: Any idea when restock will happen? [/quote] We're currently re-ordering with the manufacturer ... they'll have the ETA by tomorrow and AS SOON as we have it, we'll update the page for pre-order with the known timeframe. My guess is 45 days, but they've already done the tooling once, so it might be WAY quicker. Regardless. Click the little button on the product page to sign up and be notified when it's back in stock. Or keep a keen eye on here and I'll let you know :) - G |
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Ok, so I have some bad news regarding the Console app. I have an Iphone 8 and the app has been slow, buggy, and plain freezing on me. I have initiated a conversation with the Ellusionist support team and have been met with the answer that they will have to contact the developer regarding this. I have checked all my settings and permissions and everything checks out, but the app is not doing what it is supposed to do. What's worrying me is that the app has an outdated, buggy feel to it. I own all the Marc Kerstein and Greg Rostami apps, and have never faced any such issues. I am already considering applying for a refund. The device is around 99$ plus shipping, the app is around 55$ and the printer is going to cost another 80-90$. The paper for the printer is going to cost extra. I just want potential buyers to know this, so they don't regret their purchase. The advertising does mention that the app and the printer are sold separately, but it does not mention how much exactly it's going to cost you. |
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Why would you consider asking for a refund before letting them help? Apps on initial release sometimes do have bugs sometimes, I’m sure they’ll be able to fix it pretty easily. I think everyone here knows that the app has to be purchased and if they want to print, they’ll have to purchase a printer separately. Hopefully they’ll fix your issue very soon and hopefully have a great product in hand. Only time will tell 👍🏻 |
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And then you see why Penguin's Magic Monthly From October 2016 has passed under the radar for most of you... Adding printing by bluetooth to a sprocket HP printer was there, but our "Apps" were already doing enough job to bother with that. I wonder if the input method can be as fast as Now! and easy, given that it has secure confirmation now. |
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[quote]On May 30, 2019, MarianoG wrote: And then you see why Penguin's Magic Monthly From October 2016 has passed under the radar for most of you... Adding printing by bluetooth to a sprocket HP printer was there, but our "Apps" were already doing enough job to bother with that. I wonder if the input method can be as fast as Now! and easy, given that it has secure confirmation now. [/quote] Not sure if I understand what you are saying, Is there an app that makes printing to a HP Sprocket automatic? |
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[quote]On May 30, 2019, MarianoG wrote: And then you see why Penguin's Magic Monthly From October 2016 has passed under the radar for most of you... Adding printing by bluetooth to a sprocket HP printer was there, but our "Apps" were already doing enough job to bother with that. I wonder if the input method can be as fast as Now! and easy, given that it has secure confirmation now. [/quote] Very true. And also a very good question. |
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| So is it back in stock? |
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[quote]On May 30, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote: [quote]On May 30, 2019, Hudson Lee wrote: Any idea when restock will happen? [/quote] We're currently re-ordering with the manufacturer ... they'll have the ETA by tomorrow and AS SOON as we have it, we'll update the page for pre-order with the known timeframe. My guess is 45 days, but they've already done the tooling once, so it might be WAY quicker. Regardless. Click the little button on the product page to sign up and be notified when it's back in stock. Or keep a keen eye on here and I'll let you know :) - G [/quote] |
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On my iPhone, the app is freezing, when I hit return to save the picture to the camera roll! I‘ve contacted the Ellusionist support. Anybody else with this problem??? |
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Someone else posted about an issue with an iPhone 8. Hope not, I really like what I’ve seen on the video and that’s my model as well. |
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| It’s amazing how much of the method is allowed to be discussed in an open forum. |
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[quote]On May 31, 2019, doktorp wrote: On my iPhone, the app is freezing, when I hit return to save the picture to the camera roll! I‘ve contacted the Ellusionist support. Anybody else with this problem??? [/quote] Ensure you’re running the latest iOS and turn phone off-on once you’ve installed any app. |
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I‘ve tried everything. It does not work. Hope, there will be an update soon! :angry: |
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| I have the latest iOS and am still facing the problem of the app just freezing on me (on hitting return to save the photo). I tried rebooting the phone, reinstalling the app, etc. Still waiting for the support team to get back to me with a solution. |
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| Seems like E has being getting excited about all the coin they will make from this and haven't really worked everything through.. Well done E!! |
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Hey all, Will here, Ellusionist's app developer. There have been a few reports of the Console app for iOS hanging/crashing when trying to save to the camera roll. Despite our extensive internal testing (and trust me when I say this thing has been under test for a LONG time) we didn't pick this one up. There aren't any excuses, we should have. It's my fault and I apologise. Now on to the good news: I've been working throughout the night on nailing down this bug and have managed to reproduce, diagnose and fix the problem. Thank you to everyone that submitted the report, in particular the person that sent us the screen recording - that helped immeasurably. For any technical folk that may be interested, the issue was a thread race condition and subsequent deadlock that didn't always occur - as any programmer that has worked with multithreaded applications will tell you, these types bugs are a complete (and common) pain. When you first try to save a picture to the camera roll, Console creates an Album (called Console) within the Photos app. You may notice that you now have this empty album so if you do, feel free to delete it before the new update arrives. (If you are reading this in the future, and saving to camera roll works as it should, don't delete that album. It's where all of the images get allocated so that the "Clear from Camera Roll" functionality works as intended) A new build of the iOS app is currently on its way to the App Store and will be up soon. Apple's review process is considerably faster than it used to be so whilst we can't say exactly how long it'll be, it won't be too long. This bug did not affect the ability of the app to print a physical picture to the Polaroid Zip printer. Thanks Will |
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| The dreaded thread race condition and subsequent deadlock issue. I know exactly where you’re coming from. :rotf: |
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Pre-order is now LIVE: https://www.ellusionist.com/console-by-mark-lemon.html 500 more units arriving in time to start shipping on July 10th. If you missed the first batch, this is your shot. - G |
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| Would love to see a performance of this. Any posted anywhere? |
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[quote]On May 31, 2019, scott0819 wrote: Would love to see a performance of this. Any posted anywhere? [/quote] Shhhhhhh. Keep this between us Scott: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2fP43CHa-o&feature=youtu.be |
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[quote]On May 31, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote: [quote]On May 31, 2019, scott0819 wrote: Would love to see a performance of this. Any posted anywhere? [/quote] Shhhhhhh. Keep this between us Scott: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2fP43CHa-o&feature=youtu.be [/quote] Awesome. Thank you, Geraint. |
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| Thanks for the honest and full response Will, much appreciated. |
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Liking the pool after seeing the full performance! Sleepy |
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| After one purchases Console, is the full instructional video available or do we have to wait until July 10th? only reason I'm asking is that is the message I'm getting after watching the instructional video. But I'm assuming it's 100% user error on my part lol. I went into my account and then My Downloads. |
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| There should be a full instructional video. You may have clicked on the trailer (?) |
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| That's what I thought too, but I'm in "My Downloads" section under my acct. I'm still assuming user error lol. what's weird is that it's saying July 10th. |
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| Ok, I called them and they said they won’t release the video until it has shipped. Kinda weird considering that we know it’s a BT device. I’d prefer not to wait but I guess I will! |
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Does seem a tad odd, but I guess it does make some sense. I should be receiving my unit tomorrow, but the videos have been accessible for a few days now. I really like what I’m seeing so far. |
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| I've only seen the full demo and it looks good. I'm just wondering what the smallest bt printer there is that will work with it. I hope someone is able to experiment and report back! |
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He covers all that in the video. Apparently only one (?) printer will work with it so far. I’m probably not going to use one. Seems strong as is. |
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| What skill level would you put this at? |
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I think it might be a lot for a beginner. It’ll take some mindful practice imo. I’d say it falls into the same skill set as using a boon if that makes sense. So....intermediate? |
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[quote]On May 31, 2019, 252life wrote: I think it might be a lot for a beginner. It’ll take some mindful practice imo. I’d say it falls into the same skill set as using a boon if that makes sense. So....intermediate? [/quote] I'd agree with intermediate. |
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I would like to clarify the “any word”. Any word means any word that is four letters or less And “any number” mean any number under four numbers. |
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| Was going to order but this thread scares me |
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I’m not going to review it yet because app needs to be updated. But overall I’m extremely happy with the effects you can perform and the secret gimmick. Well worth it. But review cannot be done until bugs have been fixed. There are five wonderful effects that can easily be reset instantly. Spider-Man (up to any four numbers or letters) Bedside Table (up to any four numbers or letters AND any time) POSTit Selfie (up to any four numbers or letters) Lottery Selfie (FIVE - two digit numbers (01-69) AND Poweball number any two digit number (01-26) PLUS uses your iPhone calculator for an extra surprise Restaurant Reservation (any type of food AND the two letter initials of your dream date AND any time) These are excellent tricks everyone one of them. PLUS if you buy the recommended printer any one of these can be printed and retrieved in your favorite manner. If you print your predictions you never need to take your phone out of your pocket. This is my favorite trick of 2019 so far. Well worth the money. Just needs an update so it doesn’t crash all the time. |
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Spider-Man performed by Mark Lemon https://youtu.be/_2fP43CHa-o |
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| After reading all the comments from those who purchased console. I am made of questions. If this doesn’t come with the printer itself, what is the secret device actually for? |
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| The secret device allows you to perform all the tricks without the need for a hidden assistant. Every trick can be performed secretly by the magician with the secret gimmick. All tricks can be performed without secret gimmick and with only the app and the recommended printer but then you must use a hidden assistant. |
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Wonder, when the update of the app will be available... ??? Till then, the app is pretty useless. So sad for such a good idea and such a clever device. |
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Do any of you think the device is worth it purely for the effects on the participants phone? Have TAP and love it, and so am more interested in what the device can do other than on your own phone. |
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| What is TAP? |
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[quote]On Jun 1, 2019, doktorp wrote: Wonder, when the update of the app will be available... ??? Till then, the app is pretty useless. So sad for such a good idea and such a clever device. [/quote] You should know by now that magicians pay to become unofficial beta testers. Embarrassing for E that’s for sure. |
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| If I could see a performance of the lottery effect it may make me purchase. |
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Are you fumbling around in your pocket on some sort of remote to input the information? How easy is it to do the input bit ? |
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[quote]On Jun 1, 2019, cardbiker wrote: Are you fumbling around in your pocket on some sort of remote to input the information? How easy is it to do the input bit ? [/quote] Can’t imagine it’d be easy. |
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[quote]On Jun 1, 2019, cardbiker wrote: Are you fumbling around in your pocket on some sort of remote to input the information? How easy is it to do the input bit ? [/quote] Once you spend a little time practicing with the gimmick, it is extremely easy to use. The gimmick is so small it’s used outside of your pocket completely invisible to the spectators. The main thing you’ll need to practice is doing the dirty work while your comfortably saying your patter. There is some minor memory thought used but it’s as easy as your ABC’s. |
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[quote]On Jun 1, 2019, reignofsound wrote: If I could see a performance of the lottery effect it may make me purchase. [/quote] Me too. I like to KISS. |
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| Noticed that there’s been some edits to the posts. Wonder if there were any influences for those edits ( 🤔 E. ) I didn't think I violated any of the Café rules when I asked my question. I’m wondering if it had anything to do with my TAP comments. Which would be disappointing. Because I’m not attempting to advertise that effect. But I am interested in finding out more on the effects using the spectators phone along with the secret device. So to be more clear, I’m a potential customer for Console and I’m on the fence bewteen Console and another app. Hope that’s better. |
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(All your comments came across as appropriate to me Lonnie) So, I have the instructional videos, and the “console”. Now I’m waiting for the code to get the app. The console thingy is very cool, and so long as it all works as expected, I’ll be pleased. Just wondering if I’ll have to wait until Monday for the E team to send out the code. That 24 hour code window has me a tad uneasy lol. Fingers crossed 🤞 |
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[quote]On Jun 1, 2019, 252life wrote: (All your comments came across as appropriate to me Lonnie) So, I have the instructional videos, and the “console”. Now I’m waiting for the code to get the app. The console thingy is very cool, and so long as it all works as expected, I’ll be pleased. Just wondering if I’ll have to wait until Monday for the E team to send out the code. That 24 hour code window has me a tad uneasy lol. Fingers crossed 🤞 [/quote] Thanks. I think I’ll wait it out and see what you think after you get your code. I can wait that long. Lol and I can understand the concern with the 24 hour code process. Because from my understanding, you only get one code. |
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App Update is out and it works fine now. Thank you, Will! |
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| I tested the update also. The app now works perfectly. |
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| Anyone comment on the lottery effect? |
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[quote]On Jun 1, 2019, Johnsypoppins wrote: Do any of you think the device is worth it purely for the effects on the participants phone? Have TAP and love it, and so am more interested in what the device can do other than on your own phone. [/quote] Console only works on magician’s phone. But that’s not a bad thing. It’s not that kind of a trick that needs to work on spectators phone. Console only works on a phone that has console app on it. I know some apps like inject 2.0 can effect the spectators phone but that requires you to be connected to the internet and the magician must secretly control the spectators phone to a certain controllable doppelgänger website. One big advantage of Console is none of the tricks it can do requires internet access. Every Console trick only uses Bluetooth. So if you were performing in an area that had no internet reception you can still do every trick that Console offers. I think that’s a big PLUS for Console. |
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[quote]On Jun 2, 2019, funnyclown wrote: [quote]On Jun 1, 2019, Johnsypoppins wrote: Do any of you think the device is worth it purely for the effects on the participants phone? Have TAP and love it, and so am more interested in what the device can do other than on your own phone. [/quote] Console only works on magician’s phone. But that’s not a bad thing. It’s not that kind of a trick that needs to work on spectators phone. Console only works on a phone that has console app on it. I know some apps like inject 2.0 can effect the spectators phone but that requires you to be connected to the internet and the magician must secretly control the spectators phone to a certain controllable doppelgänger website. One big advantage of Console is none of the tricks it can do requires internet access. Every Console trick only uses Bluetooth. So if you were performing in an area that had no internet reception you can still do every trick that Console offers. I think that’s a big PLUS for Console. [/quote] I'd like to disagree respectfully and say that some effects can be done with the spectators phone. It works like this You take their phone to enter in a prediction in their maps/notepad/web browser. Actually you're secretly pairing console to their phone via bluetooth. Boom. Then their phone gets placed face down as you get them to think of a word/animal/city/celebrity - whatever. (they think you've just typed your prediction before this) You're a bloody sneaky little magician and you use console to input what they just said ... they have no idea you're doing this. Then you press enter on the device and the maps app puts in a pin in the town/city they named, or their phone is turned over to reveal what you predicted in their notepad / google(or safari) browser. Obviously we believe the console app tricks are more powerful than these mentioned, but it's all personal preference. Hope that helps, - G |
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| That is true. You can pair your console secret gimmick device to control the spectators phone. I was referring to the console app only being able to control the magicians phone. But it’s true those thing can be done discreetly and magically with the clever Console device. |
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[quote]On Jun 2, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote I'd like to disagree respectfully and say that some effects can be done with the spectators phone. It works like this You take their phone to enter in a prediction in their maps/notepad/web browser. Actually you're secretly pairing console to their phone via bluetooth. Boom. Then their phone gets placed face down as you get them to think of a word/animal/city/celebrity - whatever. (they think you've just typed your prediction before this) You're a bloody sneaky little magician and you use console to input what they just said ... they have no idea you're doing this. Then you press enter on the device and the maps app puts in a pin in the town/city they named, or their phone is turned over to reveal what you predicted in their notepad / google(or safari) browser. Obviously we believe the console app tricks are more powerful than these mentioned, but it's all personal preference. Hope that helps, - G [/quote] Cheers mate, that’s more the kind of info I was wanting to hear, very tempting. I have no interest in the effects for your own phone as TAP can do all that plus lots more (the console app still sounds brilliant, just no need for it personally)... but being able to easily predict something in google/maps/notes remotely sounds fantastic (I know other apps can do similar, but the controller really ups it for me). So when using it the way I want to, are you free of the 4 letter/number constraint? Cheers. |
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Yes, when using the console device in notes, maps, google there are no limitations to numbers and letters. It really is an amazing gadget. All the while it’s completely invisible to the spectators and easy to use with practice. I personally think when you fully experience the console app with the optional printer you may change your mind in your lack of interest in only an app that only effects the magicians phone. The amazing part is if you use it with the printer the phone never needs to enter play. It’s just a pure miracle. |
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| Is there any confirmation to ensure the correct letters / numbers have been inputted? |
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| I still haven’t heard back about the app code. |
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| When using it without a hidden assistant and only being used by the magician, you do receive a vibration from your phone confirming each input. I wouldn’t recommend it for a long letter but a short message or any size word or short series of numbers and the appropriate amount of practice I think you can be confident. If at anytime you are in doubt you can using the device delete the last letter or even start over without any effort. I suppose if you were using the optional printer for your revelation and you are not planning to have phone enter play, you could have your phone hidden from view from your audience and set your phone under your table and visually confirm your input then send it to printer. But I’ve been practicing with it and I’m currently at about 80-90% accurate and I’ve only been practicing for a few hours here and there over the past few days. I believe with practice you can be 100% accurate without the visual aid of your phone. |
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Now after using the new update I will confidently say “The Console app along with the very cleverly engineered and programmed hidden device can absolutely be considered the “TT” standard must have item for mentalists in the digital age” It’s that good! Mic drop ... |
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This does look incredibly good...o don't have the funds for it at the moment though ☹️ However, if anyone is feeling kind, drop me $150 on https://www.paypal.me/bilalabidi Thanks (It's worth a try) Lol Sleepy |
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[quote]On Jun 2, 2019, 252life wrote: I still haven’t heard back about the app code. [/quote] Sorry 252Life. We've released a new update with some bug fixes, so needed to generate more codes. Shouldn't be much longer, but when you do get it, at least they'll be no bugs (that we know of) :) - G |
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[quote]On Jun 2, 2019, funnyclown wrote: Now after using the new update I will confidently say “The Console app along with the very cleverly engineered and programmed hidden device can absolutely be considered the “TT” standard must have item for mentalists in the digital age” It’s that good! Mic drop ... [/quote] Feel free to leave a review on the product page for us. BOOM! Glad you're loving it mate. - G |
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[quote]On Jun 2, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote: [quote]On Jun 2, 2019, 252life wrote: I still haven’t heard back about the app code. [/quote] Sorry 252Life. We've released a new update with some bug fixes, so needed to generate more codes. Shouldn't be much longer, but when you do get it, at least they'll be no bugs (that we know of) :) - G [/quote] Thanks for that, and no problem at all. Was just worried about missing the window. Very happy to start off with the updated version. I really like the feel/etc of the unit. Has that satisfying sneaky swami feel to it already :) |
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| Watched the trailer of the chosen word. Oh my, that was one heck of a long, boring, badly scripted story about that grandma. I lost the will to live a couple of times there. ("Yeah but one girl had tears in her eyes!" Please listen, my friend. If you have any social experience you know girls that age that had a drink can be moved by any crap story. Ask Hugh Grant.) |
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[quote]On Jun 2, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: Watched the trailer of the chosen word. Oh my, that was one heck of a long, boring, badly scripted story about that grandma. I lost the will to live a couple of times there. ("Yeah but one girl had tears in her eyes!" Please listen, my friend. If you have any social experience you know girls that age that had a drink can be moved by any crap story. Ask Hugh Grant.) [/quote] The only reason she had tears in her eyes was because she couldn’t think of a 4 letter word. Or bored to tears. |
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| No one is going to accuse Mark of being an energetic performer. So all the performances have a sleeper quality to them. That said, the ideas behind the effects are solid. |
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| Exactly. You can take ANY EFFECT and make it boring. Seems like a lot of unnecessary negativity,, not sure why. This may turn out to be the best of 2019 or it could be the worst of the worst. I’d say people need to wait for multiple reviews before taking the Negative Nancy position. |
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One of the great mysteries of magic is we can see these effects at a convention demonstrated and yet they turn around and put out a trailer that is nothing short of junk. IMO, this is why we have so many negatives before we ever get to any possible positives. Just saying. Best Steve |
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[quote]On Jun 2, 2019, lunatik wrote: Exactly. You can take ANY EFFECT and make it boring. Seems like a lot of unnecessary negativity,, not sure why. This may turn out to be the best of 2019 or it could be the worst of the worst. I’d say people need to wait for multiple reviews before taking the Negative Nancy position. [/quote] Great effect imo. Just a long drawn out process with the photo printing which requires some kind of drawn out storyline. |
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[quote]On Jun 2, 2019, 252life wrote: [quote]On Jun 2, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote: [quote]On Jun 2, 2019, 252life wrote: I still haven’t heard back about the app code. [/quote] Sorry 252Life. We've released a new update with some bug fixes, so needed to generate more codes. Shouldn't be much longer, but when you do get it, at least they'll be no bugs (that we know of) :) - G [/quote] Thanks for that, and no problem at all. Was just worried about missing the window. Very happy to start off with the updated version. I really like the feel/etc of the unit. Has that satisfying sneaky swami feel to it already :) [/quote] You’re killing me here. Lol. I’m trying to wait it out to see if this is for me. But with your opinion, ( which I appreciate and respect ) it’s making it extremely difficult for me to do what I was planning. The swami feel comment has almost settled it for me. I think I have an idea of how this works. And if it’s like that then I’m sold . |
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Thanks, and feel free to PM me if need be. I can’t say much more though until I actually get the app of course. But, I am having fun already just practicing on the unit. There’s something inherently satisfying about it. The unit is small, well thought out, and fits where it should. Folks might want to note that it doesn’t come with the micro USB charging equipment. So if you order this make sure to keep that in mind to avoid unnecessary set backs. I’m sure I’ll be posting more rambling comments after I get the app in place :) |
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[quote]On Jun 2, 2019, pegasus wrote: [quote]On Jun 2, 2019, lunatik wrote: Exactly. You can take ANY EFFECT and make it boring. Seems like a lot of unnecessary negativity,, not sure why. This may turn out to be the best of 2019 or it could be the worst of the worst. I’d say people need to wait for multiple reviews before taking the Negative Nancy position. [/quote] Great effect imo. Just a long drawn out process with the photo printing which requires some kind of drawn out storyline. [/quote] That does have me wonder what the shortest amount of time is to input, print and reveal the picture is. I’m sure it’ll depend on the user and how proficient they are but I’m just curious. |
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[quote]On Jun 2, 2019, lunatik wrote: Exactly. You can take ANY EFFECT and make it boring. Seems like a lot of unnecessary negativity,, not sure why. This may turn out to be the best of 2019 or it could be the worst of the worst. I’d say people need to wait for multiple reviews before taking the Negative Nancy position. [/quote] I completely agree, lunatik. So just to make it clear: as far as unnecessary... it's me stating my opinion on a forum. Necessary? No. But am I only going to speak up when I like something (which I often do and then I will make that very clear as well)? No. I'm also not judging the effect, I hope you notice, so that's why I don't have to wait for multiple reviews. I just think they do us and the effect a bit of disservice by putting that vid out . I'm not saying the guy is a bad performer either, I don't know him. I'm only saying: he's telling a long, boring, badly scripted story in this performance. Almost as long and boring as this explanation. |
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| As far as the effect goes: it reminds me of C***S. Which is 10 times more expensive, so I can see why people like this. I think the reveal is very important, though. To give you an example I thought John Archer's reveal on BGT wasn't that great, it took too long and taking out the wallet looked a bit dodgy (I loved his jokes though, and enjoyed his performance greatly overall). With this kind of effect a reveal using a clear box is far more impressive, I think. Like Dan White used when showing Pitbull the C***S lottery effect. (You can find that in a thread on C***S downstairs). |
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| John took the wallet out because he had to use it as an out . The ticket in the bowl was smudged and unreadable , he had another in his pocket ( in case of this ) hence the drawn out ending Gaz 🙂 |
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[quote]On Jun 2, 2019, lunatik wrote: That does have me wonder what the shortest amount of time is to input, print and reveal the picture is. I’m sure it’ll depend on the user and how proficient they are but I’m just curious. [/quote] We've tried to answer your question like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNqeDulWuzY It's a full 2minute 42second performance with titles on screen to show significant stages of console. When the information is input and when the photo starts/finishes printing. It's not an exact because we didn't have a camera on his pocket printer, but we can kinda guess from what he's saying in his performance where he knows the photo to be. Take a look and let us know if it helps. - G |
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That is awesome G! Love that there are titles showing the different stages and imo, from the time that he starts to input the info to retrieving the photo, it's pretty quick! Just normal everyday patter will cover that time. on a side note, do you know why they won't let purchasers review the instructions until Console ships? It'd be nice to be able to go over everything before it arrives, but not a deal breaker :) |
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| I would imagine it’s because some purchasers may share the link to others and then not take the plunge themselves after reading them ? Gaz 🙂 |
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No one doing the Lottery effect? Would love to see what it looks like. I am using Michael Murray's TAP project for now. |
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[quote]On Jun 3, 2019, lunatik wrote: That is awesome G! Love that there are titles showing the different stages and imo, from the time that he starts to input the info to retrieving the photo, it's pretty quick! Just normal everyday patter will cover that time. on a side note, do you know why they won't let purchasers review the instructions until Console ships? It'd be nice to be able to go over everything before it arrives, but not a deal breaker :) [/quote] I know this sounds bad and like we're punishing everyone, but a small percentage of the community would just buy it, get access, learn it all for free or pirate it and cancel their pre-order before it ships. Reserving devices from under those who genuinely want it. Selling magic for 10 years, I've learned that 90% of people JUST care about the secret. They put all their value in it. So if they don't like a secret, or they know it, they're far far less likely to buy. They don't see the potential of the overall effect for an audience. I know it's probably hard for you to put yourself in that headspace, as you're not that kind of person, but you'd be surprised how many people commit mail-fraud and say their packages were empty to claim the goods for free, or pre-order to learn the secret and cancel 3 hours later once they've viewed the download. It just doesn't make good business sense for us to make it easy for those people. - G |
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[quote]On Jun 3, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote: [quote]On Jun 3, 2019, lunatik wrote: That is awesome G! Love that there are titles showing the different stages and imo, from the time that he starts to input the info to retrieving the photo, it's pretty quick! Just normal everyday patter will cover that time. on a side note, do you know why they won't let purchasers review the instructions until Console ships? It'd be nice to be able to go over everything before it arrives, but not a deal breaker :) [/quote] I know this sounds bad and like we're punishing everyone, but a small percentage of the community would just buy it, get access, learn it all for free or pirate it and cancel their pre-order before it ships. Reserving devices from under those who genuinely want it. Selling magic for 10 years, I've learned that 90% of people JUST care about the secret. They put all their value in it. So if they don't like a secret, or they know it, they're far far less likely to buy. They don't see the potential of the overall effect for an audience. I know it's probably hard for you to put yourself in that headspace, as you're not that kind of person, but you'd be surprised how many people commit mail-fraud and say their packages were empty to claim the goods for free, or pre-order to learn the secret and cancel 3 hours later once they've viewed the download. It just doesn't make good business sense for us to make it easy for those people. - G [/quote] There was a time when magic was a sacred art. Best Steve |
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| No worries whatsoever! I am really looking forward to receiving it :) |
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| How sure fire is it that you’re inputting correctly is there much chance that when you bring out the photo it’s total b——-ks lol |
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Yes I agree with all the above , that’s why I prefer a DVD . Yes they can still be copied but it takes people a bit more effort and thieves are often lazy individuals . DVDs are better if you want to sell an effect on as well and also better to just rewatch the chapter you want . Downloads are a pain and keeping swiping that b....y line to go back 1 minute only for it to go back 5 mins etc , and the amount of times I have to email a creator again as the link has disappeared altogether Gaz 🙂 |
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[quote]On Jun 3, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote: John took the wallet out because he had to use it as an out ... hence the drawn out ending Gaz 🙂 [/quote] WOW! Really?! That must have been stressful :lol: Thanks for sharing that "war story", Gaz! I look at that performance with new eyes now. (And I'm glad to hear John didn't mean to draw it out like that) |
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[quote]On Jun 3, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote: Selling magic for 10 years, I've learned that 90% of people JUST care about the secret. They put all their value in it. So if they don't like a secret, or they know it, they're far far less likely to buy. They don't see the potential of the overall effect for an audience. I know it's probably hard for you to put yourself in that headspace, as you're not that kind of person, but you'd be surprised how many people commit mail-fraud and say their packages were empty to claim the goods for free, or pre-order to learn the secret and cancel 3 hours later once they've viewed the download. [quote] R you kiddin?! That makes me sad, I honestly didn't know... Thanks for sharing that. Now I'm also looking at magic business with new eyes... |
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| I do wish they just sold it with the printer. LoL. Just for convenience sake. Love this thing though, very reasonable wait time from the start to end of the print (I don't have it, basing it off the uncut performance video linked above). |
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| Great vid showing the process, btw. |
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[quote]On Jun 3, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: [quote]On Jun 3, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote: John took the wallet out because he had to use it as an out ... hence the drawn out ending Gaz 🙂 [/quote] WOW! Really?! That must have been stressful :lol: Thanks for sharing that "war story", Gaz! I look at that performance with new eyes now. (And I'm glad to hear John didn't mean to draw it out like that) [/quote] Pleasure John did a really great job Gaz 🙂 |
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| He absolutely did, he had great tempo in his jokes and his patter. That's why I was completely puzzled by how long it took him to get to the reveal :lol: |
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Hey all, There have been some updates to both the iOS and Android versions of the Console app which will be processed through app review and live soon. A few of the things that have been addressed: Saving to Gallery on Android has been improved significantly. Previously there was a strange problem whereby trying to save to the gallery either caused it not to show up at all or show up with the wrong date. A bit of a workaround was advised by our customer support (Using Google Photos and ensuring it wasn't running in the background before opening). That's now been fixed and the workaround is no longer required. Clear from Camera Roll has now been fixed on iOS, although is still presenting some sporadic issues on Android. We'll continue to look in to the Android issues, although at this point as it's an issue only on certain devices, we're beginning to think that varying file permissions/api implementation discrepancies across manufacturers may be the culprit. The lottery prediction effect has had numerous improvements made to it. There were some issues when using the gimmick which have now been fixed. There were also some issues and improvements to be made when using the "other" method (if you know, you know), which have now been done and rolled out. If you find any bugs, please continue to let us know in as much detail as you can. Include steps to reproduce them and if possible, a screen recording showing what you're getting and we'll look into them. That said though, please don't post them here, send them to our support folks and that way they'll definitely make their way to me. Thanks Will |
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Grabbed the app as been wanting a lottery effect that looks legit. Really like this. |
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| Will: Clear from camera roll does not work on iOS. |
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| Getting closer and closer to buying this. I’m an iOS user so there’s some worries about having them bugs. 25life has been helpful inadvertently advertising the effect to me. This looks super good. Printing the prediction isn’t even what I’m interested in. It’s all the luxuries of using the spectators phone without internet. I hope that last part is accurate. Lol. |
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| The staff at E promised one foot massage per unit sold ;) |
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| I also have little interest in printing the pic. (I actually thought people were joking about that initially) |
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[quote]On Jun 3, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote: Getting closer and closer to buying this. I’m an iOS user so there’s some worries about having them bugs. 25life has been helpful inadvertently advertising the effect to me. This looks super good. Printing the prediction isn’t even what I’m interested in. It’s all the luxuries of using the spectators phone without internet. I hope that last part is accurate. Lol. [/quote] If you’re only interested in using console as a Bluetooth way to control spectators phone without the need of the internet then you only need to buy the console gimmick for $99. You don’t need the $50 app. The app is used to perform the five preprogrammed effects that I mentioned in my previous post. And since you’ll be only using the console gimmick you’ll have no need to worry about bugs since you won’t be using the software. I also believe you don’t need to worry about iOS or Android since the hardware works well on both. |
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[quote]On Jun 3, 2019, funnyclown wrote: [quote]On Jun 3, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote: Getting closer and closer to buying this. I’m an iOS user so there’s some worries about having them bugs. 25life has been helpful inadvertently advertising the effect to me. This looks super good. Printing the prediction isn’t even what I’m interested in. It’s all the luxuries of using the spectators phone without internet. I hope that last part is accurate. Lol. [/quote] If you’re only interested in using console as a Bluetooth way to control spectators phone without the need of the internet then you only need to buy the console gimmick for $99. You don’t need the $50 app. The app is used to perform the five preprogrammed effects that I mentioned in my previous post. And since you’ll be only using the console gimmick you’ll have no need to worry about bugs since you won’t be using the software. I also believe you don’t need to worry about iOS or Android since the hardware works well on both. [/quote For some reason I’m having a difficult time processing the differences between the app and the device. ( the saving 50$ Part is pretty straight forward ) The device itself allows you to perform the effects of any location/any number/any word/any name ....etc without the app is what I’m getting. Am I incorrect there? Also, if that is the case, without exposure, is it possible for you to elaborate a little more on the purpose of the app? |
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[quote]On Jun 3, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote: For some reason I’m having a difficult time processing the differences between the app and the device. ( the saving 50$ Part is pretty straight forward ) The device itself allows you to perform the effects of any location/any number/any word/any name ....etc without the app is what I’m getting. Am I incorrect there? Also, if that is the case, without exposure, is it possible for you to elaborate a little more on the purpose of the app? [/quote] The APP allows you to have a picture appear in your camera roll/gallery which includes the number/word the participant says, whereas the device is for inputting that data remotely... the device can also be used to do a few things on the participants phone (map/notes/google). The APP allows for 5 different styles of picture, each which will be edited so that it contains the inputted information such as the lottery numbers on the ticket, or a word/number spelt out on a fridge with fridge magnets... once complete, you can go to your camera roll and show that you had predicted it with a picture (or do the print function and never have the phone in sight, but instead bring out an actual printed picture prediction... of course you will need to purchase the printer for this feature). Without the APP you won’t be able to do the actual picture prediction as that is the function of the app. The device is purely for remotely inputting data, and can be used without the app to make predictions on the participants phone (but not including pictures... it will be something written in notes/place on map/google search). Hope that helps 👍 |
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[quote]On Jun 3, 2019, doktorp wrote: Will: Clear from camera roll does not work on iOS. [/quote] The update that's currently waiting for review fixes this problem. |
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[quote]On Jun 3, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote: [quote]On Jun 3, 2019, funnyclown wrote: [quote]On Jun 3, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote: Getting closer and closer to buying this. I’m an iOS user so there’s some worries about having them bugs. 25life has been helpful inadvertently advertising the effect to me. This looks super good. Printing the prediction isn’t even what I’m interested in. It’s all the luxuries of using the spectators phone without internet. I hope that last part is accurate. Lol. [/quote] If you’re only interested in using console as a Bluetooth way to control spectators phone without the need of the internet then you only need to buy the console gimmick for $99. You don’t need the $50 app. The app is used to perform the five preprogrammed effects that I mentioned in my previous post. And since you’ll be only using the console gimmick you’ll have no need to worry about bugs since you won’t be using the software. I also believe you don’t need to worry about iOS or Android since the hardware works well on both. [/quote For some reason I’m having a difficult time processing the differences between the app and the device. ( the saving 50$ Part is pretty straight forward ) The device itself allows you to perform the effects of any location/any number/any word/any name ....etc without the app is what I’m getting. Am I incorrect there? Also, if that is the case, without exposure, is it possible for you to elaborate a little more on the purpose of the app? [/quote] After some additional thought on this I’m now thinking you may need the app also. It is true that the main purpose of app is to provide you five different ways to present your prediction. The also serves an important purpose that you may need when using the console device to control spectators phone. The console app allows you to adjust your console device to vibrate or not vibrate after each input. This is extremely important. This helps the magician in making sure the inputs have been accurately accepted. So without the app you will not be able to “check your work” visually with the help of hidden assistant or with vibration done secretly by magician. The factory settings when you receive your console device is vibration is off. |
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| Good to know funnyclown, cheers. |
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| So the app provides the interface for the Bluetooth device’s settings?? |
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[quote]On Jun 4, 2019, pegasus wrote: So the app provides the interface for the Bluetooth device’s settings?? [/quote] Yes, along with the five other effects. The app settings allow you to do the following global settings: Save to photo camera roll Send to printer Vibrate on or off for each input Image preview for hidden assistant or if you hide your phone under table for a visual confirmation of input Backdate images Set the time for images Clear the camera roll Connect to Printer Print log And a link to where you can buy the correct printer on Amazon. |
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Just done the lottery trick in the office and that is one of the best reactions I have ever had. Definitely worth the £49 |
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[quote]On Jun 4, 2019, reignofsound wrote: Just done the lottery trick in the office and that is one of the best reactions I have ever had. Definitely worth the £49 [/quote] Can you leave that as a review on our product page please? So chuffed for you on that slam-banging reaction. - G |
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[quote]On Jun 4, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote: [quote]On Jun 4, 2019, reignofsound wrote: Just done the lottery trick in the office and that is one of the best reactions I have ever had. Definitely worth the £49 [/quote] Can you leave that as a review on our product page please? So chuffed for you on that slam-banging reaction. - G [/quote] Will leave on the App Store as got from there. Cheers |
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| I ran the Post It prediction last night and it hit hard. I’m a big fan of this release already. |
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[quote]On Jun 4, 2019, reignofsound wrote: Just done the lottery trick in the office and that is one of the best reactions I have ever had. Definitely worth the £49 [/quote] So there’s no suspicion in relation to the input method of using the calculator? |
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| That's very possible |
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As with all these type of effects imo this . Magicians seem to almost want to fool themselves with the belief they are fooling their audience with app type magic because they are technological clever principles . However the reality is a layman knows far more about technology these days because of Apps , Siri and Alexa etc etc . Stick with normal magic classic principles that may well require practice ( a good thing ) but you will continue to fool the far majority forever imho Gaz 🙂 |
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| I'm looking forward to using the Console device to tie in everything else, leaving my phone out of the picture (no pun intended lol) |
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| So to clarify - you can purchase the app, and be able to use that and input in the app, with the photo ending up in your camera roll, or printed out? Or is this only possible with the lottery effect? |
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| Are you limited to just the 5 effects using the app? Or can you create your own picture predictions similar to PP? ( my question is referring to having both the console+app ) |
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[quote]On Jun 4, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote: As with all these type of effects imo this . Magicians seem to almost want to fool themselves with the belief they are fooling their audience with app type magic because they are technological clever principles . However the reality is a layman knows far more about technology these days because of Apps , Siri and Alexa etc etc . Stick with normal magic classic principles that may well require practice ( a good thing ) but you will continue to fool the far majority forever imho Gaz 🙂 [/quote] :bawl: ... so disappointed... I was waiting for an app that would have me perform Lance Burton's dove act... |
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Hello I just purchased the whole thing on ellusionist. App + Remote. I tried to watch the video but it’s telling me to check back on July 10th?? Also how can I install the app since I already paid to Ellusionist? If I go on App Store, it asks me to pay again. Anyone been in this situation ? |
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| They will release the instructions to you when the actual console ships. |
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| The sticker on your box will tell you how to redeem the code for your app. Don’t buy it beforehand. |
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[quote]On Jun 4, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote: Are you limited to just the 5 effects using the app? Or can you create your own picture predictions similar to PP? ( my question is referring to having both the console+app ) [/quote] For the picture predictions there are only five effects you can do. You cannot create your own photo predictions at this time BUT, a clever magician can do hundreds of different mentalism effects by using the secret console device to control the spectators phone without the need for an internet connection (Bluetooth only). If you really thought about it you can come up with some great ideas. Here is just what GeraintClarke posted on June 2, 2019 “You take their phone to enter in a prediction in their maps/notepad/web browser. Actually you're secretly pairing console to their phone via bluetooth. Boom. Then their phone gets placed face down as you get them to think of a word/animal/city/celebrity - whatever. (they think you've just typed your prediction before this) You're a bloody sneaky little magician and you use console to input what they just said ... they have no idea you're doing this. Then you press enter on the device and the maps app puts in a pin in the town/city they named, or their phone is turned over to reveal what you predicted in their notepad / google(or safari) browser. Obviously we believe the console app tricks are more powerful than these mentioned, but it's all personal preference. “ |
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Thank you both for your reply. I just realized it will ship on July 10th. From what I read above, it’s possible to use Console with the app only? Is that correct? |
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[quote]On Jun 4, 2019, pegasus wrote: [quote]On Jun 4, 2019, reignofsound wrote: Just done the lottery trick in the office and that is one of the best reactions I have ever had. Definitely worth the £49 [/quote] So there’s no suspicion in relation to the input method of using the calculator? [/quote] No, but I wouldn't just do the reveal after doing toxic with the calculator. |
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Here’s a question (I don’t think) has been asked? I understand that when revealing a word or number you are limited to 4 characters when opening the phone as a way of inputting the information. If you are wanting to use console to input the information onto a photo prediction, are you still limited to 4 characters or numbers? If not how many characters are you limited to? Thanks |
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| I’m gonna purchase console. After all the questions answered, I’m left with more questions that only a purchase will be able to answer. Now I wish I would have ordered during the 1st batch.😩 I’ll have to wait until the 10th of July to get the device shipped. |
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| Lmao Lonnie. Watching you make this decision was worth the price of admission alone lol |
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[quote]On Jun 5, 2019, 252life wrote: Lmao Lonnie. Watching you make this decision was worth the price of admission alone lol [/quote] Hahahahaha It’s been a journey for sure. Ellusionist owes you some credit my friend. |
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Have heard some people say they are struggling to get one.....i believe Mark Lemon is selling console directly from his website. www.addsomelemon.com and by the way...this is great, input is very easy to do and outcome/reactions are fantastic Thanks |
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[quote]On Jun 6, 2019, chriswebbmagic wrote: Have heard some people say they are struggling to get one.....i believe Mark Lemon is selling console directly from his website. www.addsomelemon.com and by the way...this is great, input is very easy to do and outcome/reactions are fantastic Thanks [/quote] Yes Ellusionist mentioned in a previous post that the initial production run was 300 Console units. 50 of them went to Mark Lemon to sell at conventions, lectures or online. But once those 50 are sold he won’t have any. So if you want the device right away you should buy it soon from Mark Lemon |
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| With it being a big hit beleave me there will be more. |
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[quote]On Jun 5, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote: [quote]On Jun 5, 2019, 252life wrote: Lmao Lonnie. Watching you make this decision was worth the price of admission alone lol [/quote] Hahahahaha It’s been a journey for sure. Ellusionist owes you some credit my friend. [/quote] 252life, thank you. Lonnie, it's been an emotional rollercoaster. I hope this month is the quickest of your life so it can be closer to Console time for you. :) Part of the reward is the anticipation ... you my friend have over a month of it. :) |
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App Update update: The update for Android is live in the play store. The update for iOS is still with apple waiting for App Review. We expect it to go through in the next couple of days. That was a lot of "updates" in such a short post. |
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| I bought this, like everything else practice will be imperative to speedily input information. |
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| I bought this. On android in the lottery routine the app freezes and shuts upon inputing the second number. Anyone else have this issue? |
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| Purchased and satisfied. Now comes the waiting game. I have played around with the iOS app version for a short time and I’m liking what it offers. If I could make one recommendation for future updates. There’s an area that requires you take a P****re. Some people’s nails have calcium spots. And that “could” be a give away if the spectator is a little too observant. So if that could be an option for an update if the future, this would be perfect imo. |
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| Dee Christopher could have a problem here lol |
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| Can the lottery picture be printed without the console device? |
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Hi guys, I’ve just ordered and looking forward to it! Can someone let me know which printer needs to be ordered or is recommended as I don’t have access to the video until consulships on the 10th of July……… Cheers all |
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[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, Juno-How wrote: Hi guys, I’ve just ordered and looking forward to it! Can someone let me know which printer needs to be ordered or is recommended as I don’t have access to the video until consulships on the 10th of July……… Cheers all [/quote] https://www.argos.co.uk/product/4517180 |
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[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, reignofsound wrote: Can the lottery picture be printed without the console device? [/quote] Yes, you can print without the console device. But without the device you’ll need use either the calculator or hidden assistant to secretly input the number. |
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[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, funnyclown wrote: [quote]On Jun 7, 2019, reignofsound wrote: Can the lottery picture be printed without the console device? [/quote] Yes, you can print without the console device. But without the device you’ll need use either the calculator or hidden assistant to secretly input the number. [/quote] I have the app. Just wanted to know before I purchase the printer. Thanks |
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| Are there people that have received the actual Console yet? :) |
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| Yes, several. But not all of them are going to be members here. |
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| Well, we need to change that! |
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| Magic Café requires a paid email. That prevents a lot of people from signing up. Unless that's changed? |
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| The Magic Café is not currently open for new members anyway right now Gaz 🙂 |
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| I don't have paid email, I didn't know there was such a thing! |
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[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, lunatik wrote: I don't have paid email, I didn't know there was such a thing! [/quote] Do you get your email account through a paid service provider such as a cable company? |
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| Mine is hotmail. |
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| No sir, mine is yahoo |
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| Back when you guys registered free emails worked, however now you need a paid service provider for some off reason |
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| I wonder why as most have yahoo, gmail etc. |
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Most people have a paid broadband provider which gives you X amount of email addresses . Any of these are fine with The Magic Café when they are open for membership . It gives more clarity of the members and stops people setting up fake accounts and trolling good Café members and trying to get them unnecessarily banned ( which was their sole intention of joining ) . I think it’s a good thing they don’t accept any old free email as nearly everyone has broadband which means in around-about way a paid email they can use , Gaz 🙂 |
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Hmmmm, that makes sense I guess, especially when dealing with fake accts and trolls, they can keep setting them up and there's no stopping them unless the mac id on the modem is blacklisted. The only thing they could do then is swap out their modem for another with their company. Interesting though! I signed up about 15 yrs ago, so I got lucky! |
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| Same here exactly joined in 2004 and have suffered massively from fake users and been banned myself because of these users and thankfully they have now been found out . Modem and ip addresses are irrelevant as thankfully the moderators will work and wean these people out regardless , which is a blessing Gaz 🙂 |
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[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, lunatik wrote: Well, we need to change that! [/quote] We have a facebook group where users can share presentational ideas, performance videos and report any bugs. Are you a member there? |
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| No sir :/ |
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[quote]On Jun 6, 2019, chriswebbmagic wrote: Have heard some people say they are struggling to get one.....i believe Mark Lemon is selling console directly from his website. www.addsomelemon.com and by the way...this is great, input is very easy to do and outcome/reactions are fantastic Thanks [/quote] Can someone point me to the Google or iPhone store The correct app for this as when I search for console it shows up loads of then Thanks |
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| Search « console mark lemon » |
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[quote]On Jun 8, 2019, makulit974 wrote: Search « console mark lemon » [/quote] Thanks |
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I, like you, were grandfathered in to the Café because we were around before the requirement was put into effect. I joined April, 2002, so I was a member a mere nine months in. When Steve changed the email requirement, it was years after the site first opened and it didn't make sense to burden those members who were here pretty much since the beginning, supporting the site, hence the grandfathering. The requirement keeps youngin's away, which typically is better for all... [quote]On Jun 7, 2019, lunatik wrote: Hmmmm, that makes sense I guess, especially when dealing with fake accts and trolls, they can keep setting them up and there's no stopping them unless the mac id on the modem is blacklisted. The only thing they could do then is swap out their modem for another with their company. Interesting though! I signed up about 15 yrs ago, so I got lucky! [/quote] |
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| Can predictions be made with the spectator's photo? I mean if we take a picture of a spectator holding a piece of paper with our phone, and later reveal the lottery numbers on that photo? |
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[quote]On Jun 9, 2019, singhal5 wrote: Can predictions be made with the spectator's photo? I mean if we take a picture of a spectator holding a piece of paper with our phone, and later reveal the lottery numbers on that photo? [/quote] What would be the point???? Wouldn't it be more logical to just give the spectator the litter ticket to hold and open later instead of taking a picture of them holding it and then showing the picture afterwards??? |
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[quote]On Jun 9, 2019, SleepyMagic wrote: [quote]On Jun 9, 2019, singhal5 wrote: Can predictions be made with the spectator's photo? I mean if we take a picture of a spectator holding a piece of paper with our phone, and later reveal the lottery numbers on that photo? [/quote] What would be the point???? Wouldn't it be more logical to just give the spectator the litter ticket to hold and open later instead of taking a picture of them holding it and then showing the picture afterwards??? [/quote] Agreed. You're taking away an impossible prediction and turning it into a rather weak trick. |
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| Totally agree with the last 2 posts Gaz 🙂 |
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| Also I'm pretty sure the spectators would ask to see the actual potter ticket afterwards |
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| As soon as I receive my device, I’ll be focusing on using the spectators phone. I do enjoy the idea of all the effects provided. Especially the lottery and post it note effects. I just do a lot of magic on barrowed devices. Can’t wait to test this out. I’m thinking this is going to be a trick of the year nomination. It can literally do everything I already do with other apps. Except, all in one app/device. |
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[quote]On Jun 9, 2019, singhal5 wrote: Can predictions be made with the spectator's photo? I mean if we take a picture of a spectator holding a piece of paper with our phone, and later reveal the lottery numbers on that photo? [/quote] I actually think this is a golden idea. But only if you end with “ain’t technology great?!” Preferably at a TED talk. |
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| Mine arrived today. Only had a chance to briefly look at it, will spend a few days playing with it after watching the instructions and report back with my thoughts in due course |
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Read the thread and checked the website, but still can't find the answer - does Console work only in English? I mean Roman alphabet in general. |
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Hello Nikita, I just tried with Cyrillic alphabet and it does not seem to work 😕 |
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Hello makulit974 That's sad. Thank you so much for the info! |
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Got the app today and previously preordered the console device. App on my iPhone is fantastic. A couple of things I noticed: 1. For the tutorial video, between 5 minute and six minute mark, there's no audio. It's the portion describing the cal******r method. 2. Also cannot do anything with post it note selfie or lottery selfie routines...cannot take selfie, nothing seems to work, as though they are locked.. Are those effects unavailable before receiving the console device? Or is my app defective? Or do I have something set wrong? |
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| Looks promising, I plunged and ordered. Got a question about the Polaroid Zink. I went on YouTube to see how it works, there’s printing noise, how do you minimize it? |
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Review of “The Console” The App After two updates, the app works now. Some more testing would have been nice, before releasing it. It would be nice, to have more routines in the future. For some routines, it would be enough to input two letters or 3 numbers, to keep the input time short. All in all, the app works as promised. The Device/Hardware The device is small. It can be palmed easily. I’m not happy with the build quality. It seems that the development has stopped at 80% or so. The way of pushing the buttons is too long and the pressing is too hard/inaccurate. I would have preferred a click as feedback. On half of the device, the circuit board is open and not protected. I think, that sweat and humidity aren’t the best for it. The edges of the circuit board are very rough and I had to file them down. There is no charging cable included. The input works, but due to the inaccurate buttons, you are never really sure, if you had pressed enough or not. Conclusion Overall, the device and the app are okay. Not more. I was hoping for more. I would have rather spent another US$ 50 for a finished product with precise buttons and a protected board. Result: 6 Points of 10 |
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| Thanks for the informative review doktorp , best wishes Gaz 🙂 |
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| I guess I’ll just go ahead and get a refund from the App Store |
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| Doktorp, thank you for sharing your honest opinion |
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[quote]On Jun 13, 2019, dooblehorn wrote: I guess I’ll just go ahead and get a refund from the App Store [/quote] Come on, 1 review and you want to get a refund already? |
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| Thanks for the review doktorp. I don’t like the idea of exposed circuit boards. Will request a refund |
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I have to agree the device looks like something that could be knocked up for wayyy less than £100. The app does its purpose for me but no way would I pay for the remote. As I mentioned earlier the cheap bluetooth remote I got for Inject works fine. |
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[quote]On Jun 10, 2019, Nikita wrote: Read the thread and checked the website, but still can't find the answer - [b]does Console work only in English?[/b][/quote] How about languages like German, Danish, Swedish and others with their special extra letters? |
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[quote]On Jun 13, 2019, lunatik wrote: [quote]On Jun 13, 2019, dooblehorn wrote: I guess I’ll just go ahead and get a refund from the App Store [/quote] Come on, 1 review and you want to get a refund already? [/quote] Lol! All is good, forgot to choose selfie option, and didn’t know or forgot to click the camera icon, doh! |
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[quote]On Jun 13, 2019, dooblehorn wrote: [quote]On Jun 13, 2019, lunatik wrote: [quote]On Jun 13, 2019, dooblehorn wrote: I guess I’ll just go ahead and get a refund from the App Store [/quote] Come on, 1 review and you want to get a refund already? [/quote] Lol! All is good, forgot to choose selfie option, and didn’t know or forgot to click the camera icon, doh! [/quote] If you have questions about the device or other effects, I would recommend contacting Mark. He has answered every email I’ve sent to him. He seems to have more time to answer questions about the effect than the ones who created the app. Minus G. He’s answered the questions I’ve asked. My review should be coming shortly after the weekend. |
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[quote]On Jun 13, 2019, dooblehorn wrote: [quote]On Jun 13, 2019, lunatik wrote: [quote]On Jun 13, 2019, dooblehorn wrote: I guess I’ll just go ahead and get a refund from the App Store [/quote] Come on, 1 review and you want to get a refund already? [/quote] Lol! All is good, forgot to choose selfie option, and didn’t know or forgot to click the camera icon, doh! [/quote] hehehe |
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| Totally agree with Doktorp for nearly a hundred quid surely a more professional device could have been supplied WTF ?? A dodgy looking circuit board half covered in heat shrink insulation with unresponsive buttons. |
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| And another thing calling it a “Console “ that’s a joke |
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[quote]On Jun 13, 2019, doktorp wrote: Review of “The Console” The App After two updates, the app works now. Some more testing would have been nice, before releasing it. It would be nice, to have more routines in the future. For some routines, it would be enough to input two letters or 3 numbers, to keep the input time short. All in all, the app works as promised. The Device/Hardware The device is small. It can be palmed easily. I’m not happy with the build quality. It seems that the development has stopped at 80% or so. The way of pushing the buttons is too long and the pressing is too hard/inaccurate. I would have preferred a click as feedback. On half of the device, the circuit board is open and not protected. I think, that sweat and humidity aren’t the best for it. The edges of the circuit board are very rough and I had to file them down. There is no charging cable included. The input works, but due to the inaccurate buttons, you are never really sure, if you had pressed enough or not. Conclusion Overall, the device and the app are okay. Not more. I was hoping for more. I would have rather spent another US$ 50 for a finished product with precise buttons and a protected board. Result: 6 Points of 10 [/quote] I agree 100% with this |
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I am here to make your lives easier...the app is worth 50 bucks...I bought the app in the google play store...I do not own the actual console device. However I was able to hook up a regular bluetooth keyboard...and I was able to type words & numbers without having to press same button up to 4 times...the only downside is that you would probably need a helper to do so. They make small keyboards but you'd have to be a better typist than I. Ellusionist will probably have this post removed, but I DO recommend the app. Nathan |
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| Doktorp’s review is very accurate and jives with my experience. |
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Can only echo what others have said. I've had it for 3-4 days now and so far have just purely practiced it, not shown anyone else yet. The app works as it should, instructions are clear and the method and routines are strong in my opinion. I do agree, the 'Console' itself isn't attractive to look at. And the hardest thing I have found practicing, if you don't press the button right in the middle and down hard enough, the phone doesn't recognise you have pressed it. I would have much preferred a solid plastic button rather than a rubber button and would like a click to know the actual press of the button has registered. The biggest issue here, is even with vibrate on so you know the letter has been input, if you miss just one perfect press, the vibrate will still come through that a letter has been input, but it could be the wrong letter. In conclusion, had the Console itself been built a little better I think it would be a fantastic product. I also agree with an earlier comment made, I would have paid more for a better quality gimmick |
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| Thank you all that have chimed in. A lot of people who's unbiased opinions hold a lot of weight in my book. I'm curious as to what the creator and E has to say about it? Maybe a v2 will be coming soon? With the amount of people chiming in about the same issues, it's pretty much a wrap. I'd like to know if the creator or E would take back our Consoles to be replaced with a better quality gimmick? |
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[quote]On Jun 14, 2019, lunatik wrote: Thank you all that have chimed in. A lot of people who's unbiased opinions hold a lot of weight in my book. I'm curious as to what the creator and E has to say about it? Maybe a v2 will be coming soon? With the amount of people chiming in about the same issues, it's pretty much a wrap. I'd like to know if the creator or E would take back our Consoles to be replaced with a better quality gimmick? [/quote] I have contacted Mark Lemon for a refund as it is too unreliable Purchased mine directly from him |
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| Likewise. I have yet to receive it, but should be arriving soon. I know we shouldn't have to, but I wonder if it can be fixed on my end to work easily? Probably not, but if a v2 isn't coming out, I think what it's designed to do has some really amazing potential and I'd like to use it. But I'm definitely not electronically inclined so I'm probably out of luck! |
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| Rubber buttons ala ZX Spectrum keyboard? Unbelievable. |
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| Glad I waited on this. I don’t like how this pre order works now days. Rush to make and you end up with crapy idems. |
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| Ohhhhh man....... I want to add some other things here for future purchasers. But I’m going to wait until my device is delivered to me. I think my review will shed some light on something’s I feel need to be known to those that will or want to buy console. My mail-lady needs to hurry up today lol. |
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[quote]On Jun 14, 2019, MR Effecto wrote: Glad I waited on this. I don’t like how this pre order works now days. Rush to make and you end up with crapy idems. [/quote] The penny drops. |
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| Oh man, the app is great but now wish I had not bought the device, which is still coming |
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| Ouch. |
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| So can the app do impressive enough things to justify getting the app alone? (Even if using a Bluetooth controller sometime in the future which some seem to have suggested?) |
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Owning this, CUPP Lite and TAP, while this is good, the others are better. Cost varies greatly between the 3, though. Tap, $79, CUPP Lite 59 Euros, Console $50 |
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| I got the app. The “problem” so to speak with the app alone is that you need a partner entering info on the phone or a keyboard or you need the controller on your person to do the trick solo. There does not appear to be a secret way for a solo performing to enter the data directly on the phone. The closest competing app is TAP or the architect of predictions. That has similar but more customizable features where a photo has data entered into it and then data show up in the picture similar to Console. TAP can be performed solo because the data that will be entered into the picture is entered into a fake password screen. The phone could be handed to the spectator and you tell them the password which you have calculated based on the data that you want in the photo and they “unlock” the phone and check the photo themselves. The disadvantages of that app are it is not hardwired to work with an external controller the way Console is and it does not have a feature to auto send to a printer. |
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| GC has suddenly gotten very quiet once reviews began showing up, even though he’s spending a lot of time on here talking about his other effect. |
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| The Console app does have a way to enter the information so that it can be performed solo. But as far as I can see, it’s only for the lottery effect. Which uses a cal*****or to input that info. I think I may be buying TAP solely for this type of effect. I’d like to give more information on Console, unfortunately I’m going to wait it out a little longer. But for those that are unsatisfied about the device, I’m starting to get a little worried now. To each their own though. I should be getting mine within the next couple of days. |
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[quote]On Jun 14, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote: The Console app does have a way to enter the information so that it can be performed solo. But as far as I can see, it’s only for the lottery effect. Which uses a cal*****or to input that info. I think I may be buying TAP solely for this type of effect. I’d like to give more information on Console, unfortunately I’m going to wait it out a little longer. But for those that are unsatisfied about the device, I’m starting to get a little worried now. To each their own though. I should be getting mine within the next couple of days. [/quote] Me too and also worried |
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[quote]On Jun 14, 2019, videoman wrote: GC has suddenly gotten very quiet once reviews began showing up, even though he’s spending a lot of time on here talking about his other effect. [/quote] This. |
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| Ellusionist better address the button and exposed circuit board issues immediately. I still can’t believe why would they leave parts of the board exposed?! is it because of the Bluetooth range? |
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[quote]On Jun 15, 2019, gamma105 wrote: Ellusionist better address the button and exposed circuit board issues immediately. I still can’t believe why would they leave parts of the board exposed?! is it because of the Bluetooth range? [/quote] Or because they were cheaper? |
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[quote]On Jun 15, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: [quote]On Jun 14, 2019, videoman wrote: GC has suddenly gotten very quiet once reviews began showing up, even though he’s spending a lot of time on here talking about his other effect. [/quote] This. [/quote] Sorry, I was dealing with my trick release yesterday. I'm sure you can imagine I was busy and now it's the weekend. But I'm happy to help. - G |
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[quote]On Jun 15, 2019, gamma105 wrote: Ellusionist better address the button and exposed circuit board issues immediately. I still can’t believe why would they leave parts of the board exposed?! is it because of the Bluetooth range? [/quote] We made the device to the artists specifications. This is how he used it / still continues to use it. I brought up an outer casing in the early phases of this product, but it was rejected by both the manufacturer on staff at the time (Adam Wilber) and, to my knowledge, the goal of the artist was to make it as small and unseen as possible. The plastic casing would add unnecessary bulk to the unit and the heat-wrap covering was used instead. The device works / does exactly what we say it does... it's just not very pleasing to look at, I agree. |
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| What about the buttons being hard to use? |
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[quote]On Jun 15, 2019, lunatik wrote: What about the buttons being hard to use? [/quote] I don't know that they necessarily are. Do you have a specific fault? Perhaps you were unlucky with a unit. We have a 3% tolerance for faulty electronics with our manufacturers - if it goes above that, we know something drastic is wrong... but it's nowhere near that atm. :S If your unit isn't work, or someone else reads this, we'd be happy to deal with your concerns via support@ellusionist.com That way we can tie in your concerns with your purchase and ensure it's resolved and not lost in the pages of this forum thread :) - G |
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[quote]On Jun 15, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote: [quote]On Jun 15, 2019, lunatik wrote: What about the buttons being hard to use? [/quote] I don't know that they necessarily are. Do you have a specific fault? Perhaps you were unlucky with a unit. We have a 3% tolerance for faulty electronics with our manufacturers - if it goes above that, we know something drastic is wrong... but it's nowhere near that atm. :S If your unit isn't work, or someone else reads this, we'd be happy to deal with your concerns via support@ellusionist.com That way we can tie in your concerns with your purchase and ensure it's resolved and not lost in the pages of this forum thread :) - G [/quote] The main issue I find is unless you hit the button bang on in the middle every single time and press it down completely correctly, you will hit the letter before the one you want and you won’t notice that til the end, even with vibrate on, as all vibrate tells you is a letter has been input. For me personally, solid plastic buttons would have worked better than the rubber ones which came with it. Maybe with more practice I will notice a difference. That being said, I’ve used the backdated lottery prediction on a close friend today as I wanted to try it. I use the calculator method rather than console device for this, and it worked perfectly and the reaction was fantastic. For that alone, I can’t fault the app. The app has no issues, and hopefully I find with more practice I get better with the console device, but I would certainly have preferred solid plastic button as I mentioned above. To anyone on the fence or worried, don’t be. I don’t regret my purchase at all. Maybe in a few weeks I will report back with my thoughts after further practice |
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There seem to be three different Lottery styles in the Console app. Different countries have different systems. In some systems you chose 6 numbers from 59. Others have 7 choices out of 35. And so on. It would be nice to know what the three options are. |
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| UK, US Poweball and Canadian |
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[quote]On Jun 15, 2019, dooblehorn wrote: UK, US Poweball and Canadian [/quote] Great! Thank You! |
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More specifically it is the California version of Powerball...I would be willing to pay a few more bucks if I could get a version that looks like the one where I live. Nathan |
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Another feature that would be nice is if you could alter the date of purchase on the lottery ticket. Nathan |
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Ok, I couldn’t resist. I see a lot of comments about the app. So this review will only cover the app. I know that the key tech. Will Jones and G may not agree with some of this review. But I also know that there will be things that they do agree with. My goal is to be as honest and transparent as possible. That way future purchasers can make what they think will be the best decision for them regarding the product. So here goes ..... The app itself is pretty straight forward. If you buy the app you will only be able to perform the lottery effect. Which, for some customers may be worth the price itself. As for me, I’m not happy with just one available option. ( which is why I purchased the device. So I can do all the effects ) As for just doing one effect, there is a way to perform all the effects without the device. Now let’s get into the details of the app. If you’re an android user, then you’re probably very happy with the app. I’ve only seen one issue with the android version. But....... if you’re an iOS user, then you’re in the same boat I’m in. And you are super frustrated with the app. There have been quite a bit of issues regarding the iOS version. Prompting me to have to make unnecessary accommodations just to use the app that I paid (50$) for. After I ran into my first issue, here comes another that absolutely prevents me from performing the effect with confidence. More accommodations just to perform this “ ONE “ trick. I contacted Will Jones on their FB page. ( who is the app designer ) His response showed me how little they tested the iOS version compared to the android version. My guess is that they tested them both and assumed there were no issues with either one because there was no issues out of the limited amount of testing that was done. This actually concerned me. So I started to pay more attention to the responses and how they were addressed. Imo, it’s almost like there will be NO recommendations taken from any customer to fix these problems because it will involve re-engineering the entire app. But trust me when I say this. These issues will be noticed at some point. As well as the issue with accuracy for each input. If I can’t use the app as soon as I purchase it, it becomes pointless and a waste of money. If you add that you have to wait for each update to be approved and then possibly discovering additional issues, it makes it your purchase even more frustrating. I want to go back to a specific problem that is a must fix. ( but it will not be ) there is a specific date on the ticket that can’t be changed without starting from the beginning of the design of the app. The only solution offered was to take it away completely. Making the effect even more difficult to be believed. ( not all spectators will be drunk or mildly intoxicated 🥴 ) As for me, I cannot perform this without having a potential failure in the product. I do have to wait until the app updates. I am extremely disappointed to find out that these issues can’t be addressed to fit the way the effect was advertised. It’s also disappointing to hear that some of these issues that are important, won’t be addressed in the way that will satisfy some of the users that have made the complaints. Of course this is for the IOS users. I haven’t seen this many issues with the android version yet. So if you’re going to purchase this as an iOS user, I’d take into account that you will need to make an additional story line for the date. Which is not included anywhere in the tutorial. But if you join the group you’ll see my post on what would work for now. One more note that I want to point out. Their designer is also the same person that designed the Any Dice app. Which stopped receiving updates a couple years ago. He’s also the designer for cypher. Which no longer receives updates that I’m aware of. ( I could be wrong about that one ) The reason why I point this out, is not because I’m trying to take shots at Will. Not at all. I like the guy. It’s a concern for me because I’m worried that if the app doesn’t work out in the long run and becomes a bigger problem then it is now, it will not recieve updates. However, I am not going to give up on this app. I believe that it possesses a great deal of opportunity. And too me, I can see the potential of this product. I just hope that some things change. And for this reason, I will NOT be asking for a refund. I’m keeping faith. But that’s me. I think Marc Kerstein is the best app designer when it comes to app magic imo. If E. Needs some help fixing some of these issues, he would be the guy I’d call. His stuff is high level and grade A+ in customer support. And he updates ALL his apps. ( which I own ) Please don’t be mad Geraint. I’m just trying to be as honest as possible. But you should enjoy the rest of the review. Now for the good stuff. The lottery effect can and will play HUGE for you. It’s one of those things that most people will never be able to explain. And will leave a lasting impression on anyone. I have performed the lotto effect successfully, and it’s gotten great reactions ( before I discovered some bugs ) In fact, I have heard quite a bit of stories on the lottery effect being performed with great success. And massive reactions. Which is really what we perform for. If you own the device, I think this is the easiest of the effects. ( actually any of the effects that use numbers only ) The calculator version is pretty clean and easy to do. I have no problems with the way the settings are set up. Easy to understand. The tutorial is also a decently instructed explanation. I had no problems understanding how it was done. As an all around effect, I believe this has the capability of being one of the best products out there. They just need to make some adjustments to the iOS version. I also wish that they would take into consideration some of the ideas that their customers have brought to their attention, the way that some of these other elite designers do. ( Marc and Mariano ) That will go along way with some of us. I also wish that they would have tested this out a lot more than it was. Would have minimized some of the important issues. I also think that certain people may feel offended by these things that we point out. But honestly, I feel like that emotion should be irrelevant because we did pay for the product to work the way it was intended to. And unfortunately, it’s not. Something else I want to mention. Geraint has been on top of the questions asked in the FB group and messages I’ve sent him. So I have “0” complaints about how he’s been involved in those issues I mentioned earlier. And one final note about the advertising video. I personally believe that some of the routines Mark Lemon did, were at the aid of an assistant. Not all, you can see that he’s inputting the info at points of one performance. My final thoughts on the app, I think it’s worth the price. Especially if you’re an android user. It will make its money back. And then some. I also feel that as an iOS user, it could use more testing. It would also be nice to see some of the key problems taken care of and possibly take what the iOS users have mentioned into consideration. I didn’t just buy the app. I spent the full 150$. So I hope I get my money’s worth. Sorry if Will or anyone at E. Are not happy with this review. I’m only trying to be honest and up front. ( please don’t kick me out of the FB group lol ) I’ll be back to review the device after I’ve played with it for a few days. |
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Lonny, any creator should be honoured to get an evaluation of their product that is so detailed and well thought through as yours. And any forum should be happy with a member that shows this level of dedication in sharing valuable information. Thank you for that. :applause: |
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| Hi how can I join the Facebook group? I have the app but have parted company with the Console |
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| Thankyou for taking the time to write this review Lonnie! |
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| Thanks for the review, Ill stick with TAP. |
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Excellent review Lonnie , and thank you so much for taking the time to help your fellow magicians . It’s much appreciated Gaz 👍👍🙂 |
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| Lonnie, now that’s a fair and balanced review, thank you |
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Another bit of information I hope helps. I reached out to Mark to answer my questions and thoughts on the product. Below is his response. For what it’s worth, I am happy with his response and am going to persevere and keep practising! The remotes do take a bit of a knack to get the hang of, but there are several reasons why I chose those buttons (and have used them for many of my private magician clients when I've been designing and building electronics over the years. I did try clicky plastic buttons initially on the console as had none of the others in stock, but I didn't like them for a whole host of reasons. The reasons I like the ones which are on there now and would encourage you to persist with them are: They are silent Tactile (so you can feel which button you are hovering over). They are good for avoiding pressing 2 buttons at once I found them to be resilient to Switch Bouncing although you seem to have experienced otherwise (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switch#Contact_bounce). They are hard wearing (tested to over 500,000 cycles) You just have to press them correctly. I don't want to tell you that you haven't practiced enough because it sounds like you have, but I and several others have no problem with them if you are deliberate about the way you press them. Another reason I didn't like the clicky pushbuttons on the console remote was because it slowed the input down, as it takes more force to press and then you have to wait for it to come back up again. I know it sounds like it is just milliseconds, but that makes a real difference to your clicking rhythm. |
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I’d like to thank everyone who read my review. And thanks for the kind words. Cardbiker, I’ll pm you the name of the group. |
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Thank you, Lonnie and Christopher! Very informative for us potential buyers. Much appreciated! |
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Can anyone actually tell us what the true problem is with the date on the lottery ticket? As someone contemplating buying just the app, this info is holding me back. |
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It is a date in 2017...and it is California lottery specifically. Nathan PS June 14, 2017 |
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Yikes, thanks for letting me know, Nathan. I’m a NY guy, and don’t see the rationale behind a picture of a ticket from so long ago. I’ll pass on this unless I decide to buy the console for the other effects. Common sense can go a long way when developing these apps. |
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Yeah I just feel if there was a way to upload a ticket from your state and be able to use that, it would make the app super awesome! If the date on the ticket was also editable that would give you another cool hit. Just my two cents...that cost me 50 bucks. Nathan |
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[quote]On Jun 16, 2019, Nathan Pain wrote: Yeah I just feel if there was a way to upload a ticket from your state and be able to use that, it would make the app super awesome! If the date on the ticket was also editable that would give you another cool hit. Just my two cents...that cost me 50 bucks. Nathan [/quote] This is the one major setback with the app. I’d be willing to wait it out until they did do something like this. But unfortunately, I think they will pass on this option because of the amount of work required. They could also ask for help from some other existing app designers. |
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On the UK Lotto ticket, (in the video tutorial) I can not see any date at all! ???? |
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[quote]On Jun 16, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote: [quote]On Jun 16, 2019, Nathan Pain wrote: Yeah I just feel if there was a way to upload a ticket from your state and be able to use that, it would make the app super awesome! If the date on the ticket was also editable that would give you another cool hit. Just my two cents...that cost me 50 bucks. Nathan [/quote] This is the one major setback with the app. I’d be willing to wait it out until they did do something like this. But unfortunately, I think they will pass on this option because of the amount of work required. They could also ask for help from some other existing app designers. [/quote] God forbid they'd have to do some WORK...on an app...that is a huge part of the app game!! Nathan |
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[quote]On Jun 16, 2019, Thomas Walter wrote: On the UK Lotto ticket, (in the video tutorial) I can not see any date at all! ???? [/quote] I’ve just checked, and double checked. I see no date on the actual UK ticket |
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[quote]On Jun 16, 2019, Nathan Pain wrote: [quote]On Jun 16, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote: [quote]On Jun 16, 2019, Nathan Pain wrote: Yeah I just feel if there was a way to upload a ticket from your state and be able to use that, it would make the app super awesome! If the date on the ticket was also editable that would give you another cool hit. Just my two cents...that cost me 50 bucks. Nathan [/quote] This is the one major setback with the app. I’d be willing to wait it out until they did do something like this. But unfortunately, I think they will pass on this option because of the amount of work required. They could also ask for help from some other existing app designers. [/quote] God forbid they'd have to do some WORK...on an app...that is a huge part of the app game!! Nathan [/quote] Some people and their kids. Lol. I’m kidding. They shouldn’t take my comment personal. It’s American humor. It is a bit odd that they aren’t willing to do this though. At least that’s what I’ve taken from the information given. If they did, I think this app would give some of the others that are similar a run for their money for sure. T |
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I have got the app, but will wait a while to get the input gadget. Now, were do I find the Facebook Group, if any? |
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| The exposed circuitboard on the gimmick makes me nervous. After owning both decibel by Adam Wilber, and magma by Kyle Marlett, I’m convinced that these gimmicks break easily. Can any of the creative team at ellusionist speak to the durability of the gimmick? |
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[quote]On Jun 17, 2019, Hudson Lee wrote: The exposed circuitboard on the gimmick makes me nervous. After owning both decibel by Adam Wilber, and magma by Kyle Marlett, I’m convinced that these gimmicks break easily. Can any of the creative team at ellusionist speak to the durability of the gimmick? [/quote] The Console devices have been coated in a non conductive resin to protect them from wear, pocket lint, keys, coins and even moisture/sweat. I think unless it was a deliberate action or some considerable force, I think it would be difficult to break one |
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I had big problems with the printer. The second picture caused a paper jam I couldn’t fix anymore. Have to send back the printer now.... |
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Mark doesn't have the magic Café, but here are his thoughts that he's asked to pass on... << MARKS MESSAGE >> Firstly I'm not sure why anyone would want it to be aesthetically pleasing? It would be like complaining about the colour on the inside of a thumb tip. Function over form is surely the preference for a covert magician's device. As for the exposed circuit board, it has been coated in a non conductive resin making the board far more wear resistant and resistant to sweat etc than a plastic case. A case would have made it bulkier, harder to grip and hindered the buttons. It was designed to be as small as possible, easily finger-palmed and operated from that position, I think it does covers all of those things. As for the buttons, I tested over 25 different button designs on my prototypes as I was looking for something that would be completely silent and tactile (so you can feel which button you are hovering over). I wanted to avoid issues of accidentally pressing two buttons at once and avoid accidental double inputs of a single button known in electronics as Switch Bouncing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switch#Contact_bounce). I tested several different different button designs, shapes, sizes, each in several different Newton Metre operating force specifications. I was also looking for buttons that were hard wearing, by the very nature a switch or button that clicks tends to experience a greater wear-per-press over one that doesn't and therefore will usually have a shorter life before failure. The buttons on the console remote have been tested by the manufacturer to over 500,000 cycles, they were one of the most expensive buttons I tested. I was very assertive in the pre-manufacturing process that there was to be no compromise on these buttons. Specifically when designing console I made a number of prototypes where I varied the distance between the buttons to optimise the spacing for accurate presses and also deliberately varied the spacing on the console where one column of buttons is farther spaced than the other. This enables a muscle memory to develop where your brain will always know exactly where your thumb is at any time without the performer needing to look (just like the F and J keys on a qwerty keyboard). I have been designing and building electronics for magicians for a long time and these are my "go-to" buttons for all of the above reasons. and my private clients have never questioned them. I will agree that there is a knack to pressing them correctly, but this is a strength in the design for many of the reasons I have stated above. Once you learn how to use the console it will become second nature and the presses will get you as close to 100% as possible. IT JUST TAKES SOME PRACTICE (that thing we used to do with a new card sleight or coin move). One of the units I sold through my own website has just been returned for a refund because the buyer said it was "unreliable". I gladly processed the refund earlier, but I have fully tested the unit today and found it to be 100% reliable on both Android and iOS systems. So the only explanation I have left is that the buyer was not using the correct technique or had not spent enough time with the device (less than 48 hours from receiving it to requesting a refund). A perfectly valid and justified but more honest reason would have been "I just don't think I'll put the time in to learning how to do this properly". Imagine returning your Mnemonica book because it was "unreliable". |
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[quote]On Jun 17, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote: Mark doesn't have the magic Café, but here are his thoughts that he's asked to pass on... ...Imagine returning your Mnemonica book because it was "unreliable". [/quote] Spot on! |
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[quote]On Jun 17, 2019, Christopher Williams wrote: The Console devices have been coated in a non conductive resin to protect them from wear, pocket lint, keys, coins and even moisture/sweat. I think unless it was a deliberate action or some considerable force, I think it would be difficult to break one [/quote] Oh, that’s good to hear! I feel then that calling it “exposed” is a misleading review. |
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[quote]On Jun 17, 2019, Hudson Lee wrote: [quote]On Jun 17, 2019, Christopher Williams wrote: The Console devices have been coated in a non conductive resin to protect them from wear, pocket lint, keys, coins and even moisture/sweat. I think unless it was a deliberate action or some considerable force, I think it would be difficult to break one [/quote] Oh, that’s good to hear! I feel then that calling it “exposed” is a misleading review. [/quote] I’ve got my device sooner than expected. So I’ll give it a thorough review in the next coming days. I’m feeling pretty excited about the device myself. I know I’ve said this a few times before on other products. But this thing does remind me of some James Bond tools. |
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Thanks to Will Jones who just updated the app and the issue with the extra 4 zeros in the Lotto Effect now is history! Great! Thank you! :applause: |
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[quote]On Jun 17, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote: I've got my device sooner than expected. So I'll give it a thorough review in the next coming days. I’m feeling pretty excited about the device myself. I know I’ve said this a few times before on other products. But this thing does remind me of some James Bond tools. [/quote] Well, I could not hold back anymore, so I just ordered the input gadget directly from Mark. Sending it from UK to Sweden might not take that long, so I will also soon get back here with my opinion. But a printer...? I think not... :hmm: Or...? |
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That’s great news for the android users. It’s going to get its money back for sure. Now, if only the iOS version could be as complete as the android version. I think there will be a lot of satisfied customers. As for the device. You should be very excited. I’ve got a feeling that it will be a game changer my friend. |
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| Apple has to approve updates for iOS apps. That's out of our hands, and can be frustratingly slow to happen. Will has been pushing updates as quickly as he solves the problems, but we can't do anything to make Apple stop dragging their feet. |
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Android just gets copied and hacked so iOS will always have more security and better apps an updates long term imho . It’s always been the same and you can see why with so many different Android styles and pirating being so rife why most creators stick with iOS in the long game . Best wishes Gaz 🙂 |
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[quote]On Jun 17, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote: Android just gets copied and hacked so iOS will always have more security and better apps an updates long term imho . It’s always been the same and you can see why with so many different Android styles and pirating being so rife why most creators stick with iOS in the long game . Best wishes Gaz 🙂 [/quote] And this is exactly why I’m an Apple user. Better security imo. |
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| Android. The Betamax of Cell Phone Operating systems. |
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| Me too ( surprise I know ) , but I would never have an Android phone and even more so as a magician Gaz 🙂 |
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Here is my review for the Device for Console. I will also be making a few comments on the iOS version of the app. ( which may not sit well with a few people ) I’ll begin by saying that I am 100% satisfied with the console device itself. And I believe it to be one of the greatest purchases I have ever made when it comes to magic. I was definitely a little worried after reading some of the other members concerns. So I immediately wanted to test it out. Before I revived my device I spent a good amount of time practicing and memorizing the orientation of each button. I felt that if I was going to use it, I might as well become as familiar with it as I possibly could. ( somewhere around 10-15 hours of practice time ) When I received the device, it looked exactly Like others explained. I immediately jump into action with the app and tested it out. MAN.......It is impressive. Almost as exciting as when I first watched the demo video. The device allows you to have access to all the effects in the app. ( but I figured out a way to use all the effects without the device while I was waiting for my unit to be shipped to me) I tested each effect out using the device just to make sure that they worked as advertised. ( I’ll come back to this specific area later. Not good for iOS users 😩 ) After playing with each routine I decided to after the more complicated things that the device can be used for. Such as pairing it with spectators phones. This variation of the device is by far my favorite. It is extremely versatile, and I’ve had NO issues pairing with any phone I’ve tried to pair it to. The one concern that I had about the pairing was the length of time it would take to pair to someone else’s phone. It was something I wanted to test out immediately. What I’ve been able to conclude, is that it takes almost no time at all to pair. It’s sooooo fast. FLASH like fast. So that was absolutely a bonus for me. The tutorial does not cover any effects or routines that have you using someone else’s phone. I was a little disappointed. But feel that I’m creative enough to come up with my own ideas. Technically, this is the real reason I bought the device for. However, it is mentioned in the tutorial that you can do effects involving a spectators phone but never goes into details of how or what to do. Being that I became familiar with the way the device worked before I got it, I had already been working on a routine that is definitely outside of the box thinking. And after performing it twice, realized that I have a keeper on my hands. ( I’m probably going to be selfish and not share this idea. Sorry guys, too me, it’s that good ) I think when Mark creates this tool he knew that he had something special. Which is why he shared it with ellusionist. As for the buttons having this rubber coating. I can see where some may have difficulties with the two buttons closest to the unit. But practice, Practice, Practice. I struggled in the beginning with certain letters and numbers when it comes to the two buttons I’ve been referring too. After a while I figured out how to be more accurate with them. Now I’m able to get to what I need them to get to. No problems. The heat shrink wrap around the unit covers a little over half of it. I find this to be easier for me to use the device with it on the unit. Again, no problems for me. As for the other side that’s not covered. At first I was nervous. It have the feeling that a hook c*in gives you. So I thought it was going to snag everything that it came into contact with. Such as the inside of my pockets. Or the inside of my hoodie pockets. And also my skin. But after handling the device for a few hours I managed to get around any of those potential issues. And I no longer experience the snagging. Mark has some pretty good customer care service. He’s responded to everything I emailed him about. And we are currently in the works for reprogramming my unit to fit my specific needs. Which is such a blessing to be able to have those type of options. So when it comes to the console device itself, I have “0” complaints about it. And I believe Mark has and will go above and beyond for his customers to be satisfied. Unfortunately, I cannot say the same thing when It comes to the way the app has been handled. Which has absolutely nothing to do with Mark Lemon. Now comes the bad news from my experiences with the app and the way customer support has handled the issues I’ve stated in my previous review and my current/new problems that were discovered. Sadly enough, I’m going to have to take back what I’ve said about the app in my review on that product. So I apologize to those that have read my review. And I also apologize to Ellusionist because I know that somethings are out of their hands when it comes to certain areas of the app. But I want to be as honest and transparent as possible. I feel I would be doing our community a very big disservice if I were to hide these days hinge from customers. From what I can see, the Android version is very successful. Makes me jealous at times. But the iOS version is heartbreaking. It has so much potential. It’s almost like it’s going backwards at times. In my previous review for the app I discussed some problems that needed to be addressed. Some things were. And then some things weren’t. So after I revived my device, I played around with the app using the device. Everything seemed to work perfectly. Which made feel excited about the product. I decided to perform the lotto effect using the device. To actual strangers. Not family or friends. This is the ultimate test imo. What I didn’t know about the app being used with the device, was that it wouldn’t work. At all. So during my performance I went thought the routine ( which I’ve spent hours on rehearsing ) only to find out that the picture wasn’t in my camera roll. Of course, I was rather embarrassed that it didn’t turn out the way I was hoping. Thankfully I’m the type of performer that likes to have an out for just about everything I do. Which allowed me to cover the mishap that just took place. After my gig was over I went home to see if It was me that had made the mistake. That’s when I discovered that there was an even bigger issue the product. I was able to replicate the problem, every time. Showing that it wasn’t myself or my performance skills. This made me furious. So I posted a video and a lengthy comment expressing my concerns with the product. Not only has no one with E. bothered to comment, but no one has even attempted to contact me to apologize for a malfunction with their product. ( I know, I shouldn’t expect an apology from anyone. But if that was my product, I would make sure that I contacted the person to let them know that I’m at the least trying to figure the issue out ) The issue with the iOS version when combined with the device is a MUST fix. Without it being fixed, I don’t see how anyone can use them together. The fake black screen will automatically disappear, leaving you at your home screen. All on its own. And even the fake black screen itself has issues. There’s this rather large white line at the bottom of it. Meaning that if you leave your phone in play, someone will without a doubt see it. Exposing that there’s something fishy going on. I can literally continue on and on about other issues that are currently unattended to. Such as the time/clock in the options menu. I am not happy with the way that my situation has been delt with at all. And since my concerns seem to be unimportant, I will be asking for a refund for the app. And I would also go as far as to recommend to anyone who has the iOS version plus the device, to request a refund as well. It makes absolutely no sense to pay for a product that you can’t use at all. What I’m getting out of each update is that after fixing one problem, it’s creating another . Again, this is solely for the iOS users who also have the console device. And if for some reason, anyone would like to see proof about these problems. I’d also recommend going to console Facebook page. Where you can see for yourself that there are in fact these issues. It is a real shame that it turned out to be this way. This product has so much potential, it’s crazy. And now, it’s become very obvious that there was very little testing done with the app. It was released way too soon. I’m guessing about 9 months too soon. Well, after all this writing I’ve done on this product, I can say that I cannot recommend the console app at this time. But I will say this. As for the device itself, one of the best purchases I’ve ever made. And plan on using it in ways that no one has thought of. At least that I’ve heard about. Console app Android version 9-10 Console app iOS version 6--10 Console app IOS version + Console Device 0-10 Console Device 10-10 Thanks for reading. And I hope this helps anyone interested in the product on making a better decision on purchasing it. I am sorry that I was unable to give this the highest rating Ellusionist. Because that’s what I wanted to do. 😔 |
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[quote]On Jun 19, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote: Here is my review for the Device for Console.---- ----I am sorry that I was unable to give this the highest rating Ellusionist. Because that’s what I wanted to do. 😔 [/quote] Thanks Lonnie! Sorry to hear of your, or should I say Ellusionist's problems as well! I ordered the Console Remote device directly from Mark the other day so I will come back here and report when it arrives. Well, I am an Android user so hopeful there are lesser problems coming up. So far, just using the phone's keyboard and testing the settings, I have no complains. The Lotto Selfie works perfect when using the calculator force method, all numbers, dates on the camera roll/gallery and placing of the pictures etc. are perfect. But I am using Android, and even if two members had quite harsh comments on this system, sorry guys, this great app WORKS in this "Betamax of Cell Phone Operating System"! ;) Sorry, couldn't resist, don't get mad, just an old guy kidding. But, who knows, I might be sorry too.. :hmm: |
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[quote]On Jun 19, 2019, Thomas Walter wrote: [quote]On Jun 19, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote: Here is my review for the Device for Console.---- ----I am sorry that I was unable to give this the highest rating Ellusionist. Because that’s what I wanted to do. 😔 [/quote] Thanks Lonnie! Sorry to hear of your, or should I say Ellusionist's problems as well! I ordered the Console Remote device directly from Mark the other day so I will come back here and report when it arrives. Well, I am an Android user so hopeful there are lesser problems coming up. So far, just using the phone's keyboard and testing the settings, I have no complains. The Lotto Selfie works perfect when using the calculator force method, all numbers, dates on the camera roll/gallery and placing of the pictures etc. are perfect. But I am using Android, and even if two members had quite harsh comments on this system, sorry guys, this great app WORKS in this "Betamax of Cell Phone Operating System"! ;) Sorry, couldn't resist, don't get mad, just an old guy kidding. But, who knows, I might be sorry too.. :hmm: [/quote] That’s great news to be honest. I believe this is the result that Geraint and E. were shooting for. It does suck that I can’t use it. But that doesn’t mean I don’t want others to be able too. When you do get your Device, please let me know if you have success with the lotto effect. I’m keeping my fingers crossed that you don’t have any issues. I like your humor lol |
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| I thought the lotto effect was to be used in conjunction with the fake calc app as the input method? |
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[quote]On Jun 19, 2019, pegasus wrote: I thought the lotto effect was to be used in conjunction with the fake calc app as the input method? [/quote] It is. But when you use the device with the lotto effect, that option isn't available |
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| I assumed the lottery effect was a bonus effect on the app for those who couldn’t afford, or didn’t want to use the console device. That was my understanding. Have you tried using the calc input method? |
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| The lottery effect is the only effect that can be performed if you only purchase the app and not the device. The other four effects are the bonus when you buy the device. The calculator method works from what I can see. The iOS version needs some maintenance imo. If you can get past the date June 14 2017 on the American version, then using the calculator method will do the job. And you’ll still get great reactions. |
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| IIRC the console device is for inputting 4 figures only, so therefore would not be used for the lottery effect? |
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| It’s suppose to be used with the lottery effect. Actually all the effects. But for some reason when using the device for the lottery effect, the image does not show up in the camera roll. It looks like it boots the user from the app. Of course, this is for the iOS users. I have no idea how well it works for the android users. |
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You can use all 5 effects in the Console APP without the Console Remote if you have a secret assistant using your phone's keyboard. But you need a printer and get hold of the pictures from your pocket or elsewere secretly. And it is the app that limits you to use only four letters or digits in some effects. The remote can send as many letters or digits as you like. It is just a mini Bluetooth remote keyboard. You can for inst. send anything, long or short to your phones "Note Pad". Even to a Google search box etc. etc |
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[quote]On Jun 19, 2019, Thomas Walter wrote: You can use all 5 effects in the Console APP without the Console Remote if you have a secret assistant using your phone's keyboard. But you need a printer and get hold of the pictures from your pocket or elsewere secretly. And it is the app that limits you to use only four letters or digits in some effects. The remote can send as many letters or digits as you like. It is just a mini Bluetooth remote keyboard. You can for inst. send anything, long or short to your phones "Note Pad". Even to a Google search box etc. etc [/quote] There’s also another way to use all 5 effects without an assistant or device. |
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[quote]On Jun 19, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote: There's also another way to use all 5 effects without an assistant or device. [/quote] Is there an option in the IOS settings saying something like: "Use (the phone's) keyboard"? This option exist in the Android version. (Unfortunately there is no sound in the instruction video during the explanation of this regarding the Lotto effect. But if you look carefully what Mark is doing, you get the idea though.) So, if you use this keyboard input method you could, with a little boldness pretend to search for your "lost" photo, while you really type in the word/numbers, and during this actions, you say something like: - Hm! Where is that photo!? Ah, here! No, strange! Ah, here it is! Look! Same word! Same time on my alarm clock!" Tadaa! Not a great way to do it, but it works! Something like that, Lonnie? ;) |
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| Regarding the sound - redownload it. We fixed that. |
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[quote]On Jun 20, 2019, WitchDocChris wrote: Regarding the sound - redownload it. We fixed that. [/quote] Used the Android version. Global settings - Instructions - 3 Lottery Selfie Routine 09:34 Still no sound 4:41 - 6:01. |
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[quote]On Jun 20, 2019, Thomas Walter wrote: [quote]On Jun 19, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote: There's also another way to use all 5 effects without an assistant or device. [/quote] Is there an option in the IOS settings saying something like: "Use (the phone's) keyboard"? This option exist in the Android version. (Unfortunately there is no sound in the instruction video during the explanation of this regarding the Lotto effect. But if you look carefully what Mark is doing, you get the idea though.) So, if you use this keyboard input method you could, with a little boldness pretend to search for your "lost" photo, while you really type in the word/numbers, and during this actions, you say something like: - Hm! Where is that photo!? Ah, here! No, strange! Ah, here it is! Look! Same word! Same time on my alarm clock!" Tadaa! Not a great way to do it, but it works! Something like that, Lonnie? ;) [/quote] Thanks for the idea. I have come to this conclusion myself. I won’t discuss the other way to use all the effects on this thread but I can in a pm. It’s been some time and I still haven’t revived a notice or response to the issue I had. It may be best for me to just get a refund and see if this changes in the future. Thank you for the response. |
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| I'm currently using Cipher with a lottery ticket (in actuality) in my wallet. Forcing of course. I'm trying to decide if a photo in my camera roll is less impressive (what I first thought) or more impressive (what I'm starting to think). If I got just the app for android, will I like it? In other words, those of you who just do that one effect without the console, do you? |
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| I received my Console device (ios) today and can confirm that it's unreliable and the buttons don't register the presses in a consistent manner. Headed for a refund. |
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[quote]On Jun 20, 2019, Nathan Alexander wrote: I'm currently using Cipher with a lottery ticket (in actuality) in my wallet. Forcing of course. I'm trying to decide if a photo in my camera roll is less impressive (what I first thought) or more impressive (what I'm starting to think). If I got just the app for android, will I like it? In other words, those of you who just do that one effect without the console, do you? [/quote] The physical lottery ticket is going to be much more effective due to the fact that the physical lottery ticket is removed from the technology aspect of it. On top of that, with Cipher you have the bonus of harvesting extra information that you can use later on far far far far removed from them ever having been asked to use the information in any way due to the time delay you have at your disposal. |
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Can you imagine purchasing an expensive device in any other non-magic industry and being told that you will have to spend time practicing "pushing the buttons" in order for it to function reliably and consistently? Magic is the only industry in existence where you could then run the risk of being labeled as someone who is "too lazy to practice" (horror of horrors!!!). There are other remotes designed to be used surreptitiously in magic that do not seem to have this issue. I honestly do not believe for a second that it had to do with making it silent or long-lasting, etc. But had everything to do with bringing it to market quickly and cheaply. Believe it or not, magic companies are businesses and as such do not always have your best interests in mind. |
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[quote]On Jun 20, 2019, kissdadookie wrote: [quote]On Jun 20, 2019, Nathan Alexander wrote: I'm currently using Cipher with a lottery ticket (in actuality) in my wallet. Forcing of course. I'm trying to decide if a photo in my camera roll is less impressive (what I first thought) or more impressive (what I'm starting to think). If I got just the app for android, will I like it? In other words, those of you who just do that one effect without the console, do you? [/quote] The physical lottery ticket is going to be much more effective due to the fact that the physical lottery ticket is removed from the technology aspect of it. On top of that, with Cipher you have the bonus of harvesting extra information that you can use later on far far far far removed from them ever having been asked to use the information in any way due to the time delay you have at your disposal. [/quote] I agree with all that kissadookie wrote...plus, it just makes far more sense and is far more logical and believable to have the actual ticket and not just a photo of it. Who takes a photo of their lottery tickets? |
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[quote]On Jun 20, 2019, videoman wrote: ---just makes far more sense and is far more logical and believable to have the actual ticket and not just a photo of it. Who takes a photo of their lottery tickets? [/quote] I agree, but on the other hand people are taking selfies in almost any stupid situations and with odd reasons, so why not....? Hmmm! ;) |
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The actual ticket is 100 times better imo , it’s irrelevant whether sad people have nothing better to do than keep taking pictures of themselves 😂 . Why are you going out of the way to drop clangers like smarties over the technology ( ie the method ) . The sooner you get the phone ( yours ) out of play the better imho Gaz 🙂 |
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| I would agree the real ticket is better, but I do like that the numbers aren't forced in this version. Either way, I'm sticking with cipher for now. |
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[quote]On Jun 20, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote: The actual ticket is 100 times better imo , it’s irrelevant whether sad people have nothing better to do than keep taking pictures of themselves 😂 . Why are you going out of the way to drop clangers like smarties over the technology ( ie the method ) . The sooner you get the phone ( yours ) out of play the better imho Gaz 🙂 [/quote] No objections! |
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The ithump app leaves Cipher standing on its head imo . It offers a country mile more and is majorly unlooked which is a good thing Gaz 🙂 |
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[quote]On Jun 20, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote: The ithump app leaves Cipher standing on its head imo . It offers a country mile more and is majorly unlooked which is a good thing Gaz 🙂 [/quote] Would love to see a demo of iThump. |
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[quote]On Jun 20, 2019, Chanku wrote: I received my Console device (ios) today and can confirm that it's unreliable and the buttons don't register the presses in a consistent manner. Headed for a refund. [/quote] To be fair, you’ve only had the device for less than a day. So in reality, you’ll need to practice with this device more than just a few moments out of your day. It’s not a do as I do card trick. I do know that there are other electronics that offer this style of method and are more user friendly. ( which I may also test out ) Also more expensive. If you’re not willing to practice this for at least a couple of days, then this is more likely not your type of magic imo. God forbid we have to actually physically practice. I imagine you wouldn’t really be in to the muscle pass. Or the pass in general. Or a decent double l***. Call me old fashion. I just enjoy practicing thing I like doing. Like magic. I do understand that each person has their own needs for magic. Some like challenges. Others like self working effects. To each their own. I also have to agree with Videoman. Magic companies are businesses. And they definitely don’t have the best interests for customers. It’s about the all mighty dollar. But at least give your customer what they paid for in quality. Nathan, if you’re using the android version, I believe you will definitely enjoy what the console app offers. |
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[quote]On Jun 20, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote: The ithump app leaves Cipher standing on its head imo . It offers a country mile more and is majorly unlooked which is a good thing Gaz 🙂 [/quote] I cannot agree with this any more than I do now. I’ve had iTHUMP for a while now. It blows the roof off of cypher in every aspect. |
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| Having crashing issues with the Apple app. just updated and still having issues, especially with printing. |
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[quote]On Jun 20, 2019, smacks183 wrote: Having crashing issues with the Apple app. just updated and still having issues, especially with printing. [/quote] Terrible news. And Definitely frustrating. I have completely felt your frustration. I honestly don’t know if it will get fixed or not. I know Apple likes to take their time when approving updates. But In the same hand, it would be nice if Will or someone from E would at minimum, let us know that they are looking at our issues. I could deal with some type of information. But remaining completely silent on everything is where the frustration starts to build. I can only imagine what the response would be if they attempt to release another effect in the App Store. Some of the poorest customer service I’ve ever received unfortunately. I get it though. Business is business. |
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[quote]On Jun 20, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote: [quote]On Jun 20, 2019, Chanku wrote: I received my Console device (ios) today and can confirm that it's unreliable and the buttons don't register the presses in a consistent manner. Headed for a refund. [/quote] If you’re not willing to practice this for at least a couple of days, then this is more likely not your type of magic imo. God forbid we have to actually physically practice. I imagine you wouldn’t really be in to the muscle pass. Or the pass in general. Or a decent double l***. Call me old fashion. I just enjoy practicing thing I like doing. Like magic. I do understand that each person has their own needs for magic. Some like challenges. Others like self working effects. To each their own. [/quote] I get so tired of hearing this ridiculous false equivalency. Just because someone doesn't feel you should have to "practice" using a device that should be able to simply work straight out of the box doesn't mean you are a lazy magician (which is what you are trying to imply even though you are doing your best to sound diplomatic, or if not then it certainly sounds condescending to me.) This Console device is not a musical instrument and I don't feel it should be put in the same category as one. It could have been made to work simply and effortlessly but either due to poor design or cost-saving measures (or maybe both?) it requires effort and a learning curve on the part of the user in order to operate it reliably. Again, let me be clear, I am not opposed to "putting in the work" in order to master something. I just have to selective about what that skill is and what I'm opposed to is having to spend time practicing and learning something in order to make up for the shortcomings of a device. I have a limited amount of time in which to practice and I would rather put that time towards practicing and learning something that genuinely requires practice and not towards learning to push a button in exactly the right way. As I said before, magic is the only industry where you could find suckers, err, I mean consumers, that happily buy into this nonsense. Gosh, reading this you would think I actually bought one of these things. :) |
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[quote]On Jun 20, 2019, videoman wrote: [quote]On Jun 20, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote: [quote]On Jun 20, 2019, Chanku wrote: I received my Console device (ios) today and can confirm that it's unreliable and the buttons don't register the presses in a consistent manner. Headed for a refund. [/quote] If you’re not willing to practice this for at least a couple of days, then this is more likely not your type of magic imo. God forbid we have to actually physically practice. I imagine you wouldn’t really be in to the muscle pass. Or the pass in general. Or a decent double l***. Call me old fashion. I just enjoy practicing thing I like doing. Like magic. I do understand that each person has their own needs for magic. Some like challenges. Others like self working effects. To each their own. [/quote] I get so tired of hearing this ridiculous false equivalency. Just because someone doesn't feel you should have to "practice" using a device that should be able to simply work straight out of the box doesn't mean you are a lazy magician (which is what you are trying to imply even though you are doing your best to sound diplomatic, or if not then it certainly sounds condescending to me.) This Console device is not a musical instrument and I don't feel it should be put in the same category as one. It could have been made to work simply and effortlessly but either due to poor design or cost-saving measures (or maybe both?) it requires effort and a learning curve on the part of the user in order to operate it reliably. Again, let me be clear, I am not opposed to "putting in the work" in order to master something. I just have to selective about what that skill is and what I'm opposed to is having to spend time practicing and learning something in order to make up for the shortcomings of a device. I have a limited amount of time in which to practice and I would rather put that time towards practicing and learning something that genuinely requires practice and not towards learning to push a button in exactly the right way. As I said before, magic is the only industry where you could find suckers, err, I mean consumers, that happily buy into this nonsense. Gosh, reading this you would think I actually bought one of these things. :) [/quote] Hahahahahahahahahahahaha You have your views on the term lazy. And I have mine. And others have theirs. That’s the beauty of opinions. We each have our own. It sounds like I’m not the first person you’ve heard reference that practice is required for some things. If I turned the tables and said “ its sounds like you’re implying that lazy magicians don’t exist”. To me, that’s the exact same thing. Just reversed. But I think it’s safe to say that you’re not implying that. Some food for thought-Condescending and diplomatic are not the ONLY ways that my comment could be interpreted. There are other ways. Any who. When it comes to the device, I was saying it’s not one of those things that’s a plug “n” play type of effect. It does actually require practice. Meaning you can’t be lazy. Some practice for memory work. Some practice for the way you’re comfortable with holding the device. Some practice for how you’re using the device. And some practice for multi tasking. ( such as patter while typing the information in ) If I could compare easy vs complex for a quick second. Learning the way the app works is so much easier than learning the way the device works. One you don’t need a bunch of practice. And the other one needs at least some practice. Of course this is just my opinion. Which means absolutely nothing to most people. Trust me, I wish it was as easy as 123. But unfortunately it’s not. Me personally, I’m satisfied with the device. |
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The only thing I would add is if you take this device out of it’s hidden place and put it in the palm of your hand . Does every button you press work flawlessly every single time without compromise using a finger of your other hand ? If the answers is yes you require more practice in the hidden position , if it’s no the device is defective or poorly designed imho Gaz 🙂 |
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[quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote: The only thing I would add is if you take this device out of it’s hidden place and put it in the palm of your hand . Does every button you press work flawlessly every single time without compromise using a finger of your other hand ? If the answers is yes you require more practice in the hidden position , if it’s no the device is defective or poorly designed imho Gaz 🙂 [/quote] The consistency has got nothing to do with the position of the device. It just doesn’t work the way it’s supposed to on a consistent basis. |
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The device should be similar to a car remote. Zero practice in pushing the button. But I can see practice in how to push the buttons while not having it look like there's a wrestling match going on in your pocket. but again, as long as a finger is on the button, there should be zero practice involve in the activation of that button, just push it and it should do what it's supposed to do. |
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[quote]On Jun 21, 2019, lunatik wrote: But I can see practice in how to push the buttons while not having it look like there's a wrestling match going on in your pocket.[/quote] LOL |
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[quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote: The only thing I would add is if you take this device out of it’s hidden place and put it in the palm of your hand . Does every button you press work flawlessly every single time without compromise using a finger of your other hand ? If the answers is yes you require more practice in the hidden position , if it’s no the device is defective or poorly designed imho Gaz 🙂 [/quote] I agree with this 100%. For me, mine works exactly how it’s suppose too. I got to thinking last night that maybe others may have gotten a defective one. Which would make sense why some people are experiencing their until to not work properly. I can hit each letter and number with accuracy. Last night I had received an email from another Café member who had expressed that he isn’t having the type of success that I’ve had. Very unfortunate. After I read his email I was more convinced that there may be some units that aren’t 100%. I would recommend that they send them back and either ask for a refund or another unit. If I were in their position it would make me nervous that I might get another defective unit. There are other devices on the market that are more user friendly. |
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[quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Hudson Lee wrote: Is anyone familiar with which card to wallet system Mark uses in the performance videos? [/quote] I am not at home right now and therefore can't watch the instruction video, but I remember that he both showed and mentioned two wallets. If you look carefully you'll find out what he uses. |
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[quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Thomas Walter wrote: [quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Hudson Lee wrote: Is anyone familiar with which card to wallet system Mark uses in the performance videos? [/quote] I am not at home right now and therefore can't watch the instruction video, but I remember that he both showed and mentioned two wallets. If you look carefully you'll find out what he uses. [/quote] He only mentioned one of the wallets Not the one that uses the SUC principal |
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| Has anyone had the issue of the letter „z“ coming before „y“? Also the „clear/reset“ button function not working? |
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..in addition the back date not working either.. anyone has an idea? |
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[quote]On Jun 22, 2019, o. wrote: Has anyone had the issue of the letter „z“ coming before „y“? Also the „clear/reset“ button function not working? [/quote] Let’s hope you put more effort into this than you did for your username. |
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[quote]On Jun 22, 2019, pegasus wrote: [quote]On Jun 22, 2019, o. wrote: Has anyone had the issue of the letter „z“ coming before „y“? Also the „clear/reset“ button function not working? [/quote] Let’s hope you put more effort into this than you did for your username. [/quote] Haha! I have been following your omni present comments on the Café. This one fits to the others. Short, concise and not so rich in regards to constructive and useful content. |
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[quote]On Jun 22, 2019, JackMagic wrote: [quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Thomas Walter wrote: [quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Hudson Lee wrote: Is anyone familiar with which card to wallet system Mark uses in the performance videos? [/quote] I am not at home right now and therefore can't watch the instruction video, but I remember that he both showed and mentioned two wallets. If you look carefully you'll find out what he uses. [/quote] He only mentioned one of the wallets Not the one that uses the SUC principal [/quote] It's called a Quiver Z wallet |
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| I treated myself to this and the silhouette trick a couple of weeks ago. Both have arrived and both are absolutely brilliant. As someone else has said , both require you to fully watch and absorb the instructions and then put in a weeks practice to properly perform them. I'm very impressed with Console. My unit works perfectly, as long as you practice. To perform the Lottery effect you really have to concentrate. I can understand some people having issues with getting that effect correct, (without giving away the method) , but its a very satisfying learning curve. |
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[quote]On Jun 22, 2019, Daisydog wrote: [quote]On Jun 22, 2019, JackMagic wrote: [quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Thomas Walter wrote: [quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Hudson Lee wrote: Is anyone familiar with which card to wallet system Mark uses in the performance videos? [/quote] I am not at home right now and therefore can't watch the instruction video, but I remember that he both showed and mentioned two wallets. If you look carefully you'll find out what he uses. [/quote] He only mentioned one of the wallets Quiver card to wallet actually! Not the one that uses the SUC principal [/quote] It's called a Quiver Z wallet [/quote] |
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[quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Hudson Lee wrote: Is anyone familiar with which card to wallet system Mark uses in the performance videos? [/quote] My apologies, I'm not very good at this quote thing. It's actually the Quiver Card to Wallet. |
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[quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Chanku wrote: [quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote: The only thing I would add is if you take this device out of it’s hidden place and put it in the palm of your hand . Does every button you press work flawlessly every single time without compromise using a finger of your other hand ? If the answers is yes you require more practice in the hidden position , if it’s no the device is defective or poorly designed imho Gaz 🙂 [/quote] The consistency has got nothing to do with the position of the device. It just doesn’t work the way it’s supposed to on a consistent basis. [/quote] I now have the device and it definitely doesn’t function the same way as he demos in the instructions. Transitioning from one button to another doesn’t always register when selecting a different letter. Lemon is able to seamlessly go from one group of letters to the next with zero issues. I cannot do the same. As for practice, the only practice needed is remembering which button you need to push to get to the letter you want. It should not be pushing a button numerous times to get it to register that you’re pushing it. Sometimes I’ve had to push it 9 times to get it to realize that I was pushing it. If I can get mine to work like his, this device will be amazing. I just got a bad one I think and will email him. |
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I am waiting for my Remote to arrive and I am not feling too comfortable when I read: [quote]On Jun 20, 2019, Chanku wrote: I received my Console device (ios) today and can confirm that it's unreliable and the buttons don't register the presses in a consistent manner. Headed for a refund. [/quote] [quote]On Jun 22, 2019, lunatik wrote: I now have the device and it definitely doesn’t function the same way as he demos in the instructions. Transitioning from one button to another doesn’t always register when selecting a different letter. Lemon is able to seamlessly go from one group of letters to the next with zero issues. I cannot do the same. As for practice, the only practice needed is remembering which button you need to push to get to the letter you want. It should not be pushing a button numerous times to get it to register that you’re pushing it. Sometimes I’ve had to push it 9 times to get it to realize that I was pushing it. If I can get mine to work like his, this device will be amazing. I just got a bad one I think and will email him. [/quote] But being a string instrument musician, guitar, bass, I am aware that the importance of using your finger [B]tip[/B] when pressing down a string to get a proper and clear tone. Perhaps this is the problem with these remote buttons. Ok, maybe I should have waited to write this until I actually have got the gadget in my hand but I just found Christopher Williams post: [quote]On Jun 15, 2019, Christopher Williams wrote: The main issue I find is [B]unless you hit the button bang on in the middle every single time and press it down completely correctly,[/B] you will hit the letter before the one you want and you won’t notice that til the end, even with vibrate on, as all vibrate tells you is a letter has been input.- - - - - -To anyone on the fence or worried, don’t be. I don’t regret my purchase at all. Maybe in a few weeks I will report back with my thoughts after further practice [/quote] [quote]On Jun 22, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: Pushing a button should not take practice. :confused: [/quote] Absolutely right, I agree, but it seems that in this case these buttons need just that. Unfortunately. I'll will come back when my remote arrives and report. Hopefully it will be a positive one! :rolleyes: |
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[quote]On Jun 22, 2019, Thomas Walter wrote: But being a string instrument musician, guitar, bass, I am aware that the importance of using your finger [B]tip[/B] when pressing down a string to get a proper and clear tone. [/quote] Can't wait to for your review. Put some dirty 6 and 4-string under the -probably angry- words and post the recording in this thread, please :righton: |
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| A button is a button. I notice on these, they have what I describe as a rubber nub that is slightly wiggly. I’m not sure on the purpose of having that style, Promystic makes a nice remote that just works. I’m still tthink that mine is potentially bad, as in his demos it works quickly and flawlessly |
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[quote]On Jun 22, 2019, lunatik wrote: A button is a button. I notice on these, they have what I describe as a rubber nub that is slightly wiggly. I’m not sure on the purpose of having that style, Promystic makes a nice remote that just works. I’m still tthink that mine is potentially bad, as in his demos it works quickly and flawlessly [/quote] I don’t know why he chose this style either. And hopefully you get some help from Mark with your unit. As I’ve stated in previous comments, I enjoy mine. I would be interested in hearing or seeing what Promystic has for a product and that’s similar. If you could either share a link or pm me the link I would greatly appreciate it. |
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[quote]On Jun 22, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote: [quote]On Jun 22, 2019, lunatik wrote: A button is a button. I notice on these, they have what I describe as a rubber nub that is slightly wiggly. I’m not sure on the purpose of having that style, Promystic makes a nice remote that just works. I’m still tthink that mine is potentially bad, as in his demos it works quickly and flawlessly [/quote] I don’t know why he chose this style either. And hopefully you get some help from Mark with your unit. As I’ve stated in previous comments, I enjoy mine. I would be interested in hearing or seeing what Promystic has for a product and that’s similar. If you could either share a link or pm me the link I would greatly appreciate it. [/quote] They have a remote for IQ which works perfectly but it’s for a queing system |
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I also feel the console device should be improved on but mine works and reacts well. But it needs much sturdier buttons and a housing! A open PCB is not sufficient nor professional. For this price it should have a 3D printed housing. If someone will go this way, please tell me. If you run a business, you can earn money by selling those to console owners. Important if you are using console in the EU or somewhere outside of the US: You need to switch your keyboard to US style. Otherwise some functions won’t work. Even those that you can find in the app menu (delete from camera roll for example) or direct input functions like reset/delete. The app should be more customizable: Having a option to use more characters, options to customize predictions. It would be great to insert own templates. Lottery prediction is not usable in EU states as simply no templates exsist. Ive send some to ellusionist today and pretty much looking forward if something happens. |
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PS: a long press on button one (just a suggestion) should change between number and letter input. To click through 6 letters first (last button) is unfavorable and distracting. |
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[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, Christopher Williams wrote: Personally I find the calculator as the best input method for the lottery effect, which is also the one effect which can be performed without the device [/quote] My thoughts exactly and I do not own the effect. Why would you struggle with the device when you have a far more efficient, and reliable method. Lol. |
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[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, pegasus wrote: [quote]On Jun 23, 2019, Christopher Williams wrote: Personally I find the calculator as the best input method for the lottery effect, which is also the one effect which can be performed without the device [/quote] My thoughts exactly and I do not own the effect. Why would you struggle with the device when you have a far more efficient, and reliable method. Lol. [/quote] You should get it to say things like this Pegasus. The device is (beside a assistant) the only way to get your phone (and it’s connection) out of the way. You really don’t want to input direct numbers for any reason. In my opinion the calculator is the weakest input method here. It is technically too exploiting and obvious, the effect itself is the weakest and too direct (especially if you use the chosen numbers). I would never ever perform this effect as shown in the tutorial as it is a direct give away. If you make a mistake you will even get comments on the photo paper used but that’s another thing to erase. @Ellusionist please open a Facebook Group for this to allow owners to share their ideas. This would be also a great place to get update recommendations and bug reports from users. The communication with you is very silent. Mark Lemon in contrary is a very helpful guy. As the app development is in your hands now we need communication and answers. |
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[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, ArtIn wrote: [quote]On Jun 23, 2019, pegasus wrote: [quote]On Jun 23, 2019, Christopher Williams wrote: Personally I find the calculator as the best input method for the lottery effect, which is also the one effect which can be performed without the device [/quote] My thoughts exactly and I do not own the effect. Why would you struggle with the device when you have a far more efficient, and reliable method. Lol. [/quote] You should get it to say things like this Pegasus. The device is (beside a assistant) the only way to get your phone (and it’s connection) out of the way. You really don’t want to input direct numbers for any reason. In my opinion the calculator is the weakest input method here. It is technically too exploiting and obvious, the effect itself is the weakest and too direct (especially if you use the chosen numbers). I would never ever perform this effect as shown in the tutorial as it is a direct give away. If you make a mistake you will even get comments on the photo paper used but that’s another point to consider. @Ellusionist please open a Facebook Group for this to allow owners to share their ideas. This would be also a great place to get update recommendations and bug reports from users. The communication with you is very silent. Mark Lemon in contrary is a very helpful guy. As the app development is in your hands now we need communication and answers. [/quote] |
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[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, ArtIn wrote: please open a Facebook Group for this to allow owners to share their ideas. This would be also a great place to get update recommendations and bug reports from users. The communication with you is very silent. Mark Lemon in contrary is a very helpful guy. As the app development is in your hands now we need communication and answers. [/quote] [/quote] There is already an official Console Facebook Group |
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[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, ArtIn wrote: [quote]On Jun 23, 2019, pegasus wrote: [quote]On Jun 23, 2019, Christopher Williams wrote: Personally I find the calculator as the best input method for the lottery effect, which is also the one effect which can be performed without the device [/quote] My thoughts exactly and I do not own the effect. Why would you struggle with the device when you have a far more efficient, and reliable method. Lol. [/quote] You should get it to say things like this Pegasus. The device is (beside a assistant) the only way to get your phone (and it’s connection) out of the way. You really don’t want to input direct numbers for any reason. In my opinion the calculator is the weakest input method here. It is technically too exploiting and obvious, the effect itself is the weakest and too direct (especially if you use the chosen numbers). I would never ever perform this effect as shown in the tutorial as it is a direct give away. If you make a mistake you will even get comments on the photo paper used but that’s another thing to erase. @Ellusionist please open a Facebook Group for this to allow owners to share their ideas. This would be also a great place to get update recommendations and bug reports from users. The communication with you is very silent. Mark Lemon in contrary is a very helpful guy. As the app development is in your hands now we need communication and answers. [/quote] I beg to differ as there are already plenty of users whom have used this as their input method, and to great effect. |
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Did you saw those performances in person? Did you talked to the spectators witnessing those? Seriously, I will not argue with you and your opinion based on stranger experiences or unconfirmed reports. I own console (the whole kit) and have (own) experience with app mentalism. I don’t care if you choose to ignore the obvious. In the tutorial for the lottery prediction (the one you don’t know about yet) it is even explained with the camera roll outcome (without showing a physical photo). So it is even more direct and explainable. The laziest and easiest way is not always the best or most sufficient. No offense meant but I don’t understand people like you on the Café. You keep talking about products (you possibly might never purchase or own) and obviously unfunded opinions. I will stop here as I noticed you arguing with a lot of users in the past. Have a nice day. |
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[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, JackMagic wrote: [quote]On Jun 23, 2019, ArtIn wrote: please open a Facebook Group for this to allow owners to share their ideas. This would be also a great place to get update recommendations and bug reports from users. The communication with you is very silent. Mark Lemon in contrary is a very helpful guy. As the app development is in your hands now we need communication and answers. [/quote] There is already an official Console Facebook Group [/quote] Thanks for the information. Didn’t found it yet. |
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[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, reignofsound wrote: Can someone link me for the fb group? [/quote] On page 5 in this forum, May 29, 2019,GeraintClarke wrote: Console Ideas Facebook Group. Request an invite here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/2321487544773847/ |
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[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, Hudson Lee wrote: So did I miss it? Have they updated the iOS app yet? [/quote] I’m only aware of one update that’s been approved. And the other one that’s suppose to fix other issues is still in apples hands. And then there will be At least one more that will need to be approved. |
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[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, ArtIn wrote: Did you saw those performances in person? Did you talked to the spectators witnessing those? Seriously, I will not argue with you and your opinion based on stranger experiences or unconfirmed reports. I own console (the whole kit) and have (own) experience with app mentalism. I don’t care if you choose to ignore the obvious. In the tutorial for the lottery prediction (the one you don’t know about yet) it is even explained with the camera roll outcome (without showing a physical photo). So it is even more direct and explainable. The laziest and easiest way is not always the best or most sufficient. No offense meant but I don’t understand people like you on the Café. You keep talking about products (you possibly might never purchase or own) and obviously unfunded opinions. I will stop here as I noticed you arguing with a lot of users in the past. Have a nice day. [/quote] Typical paranoid performer. Lol. |
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[quote]On Jun 22, 2019, lunatik wrote: [quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Chanku wrote: [quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote: The only thing I would add is if you take this device out of it’s hidden place and put it in the palm of your hand . Does every button you press work flawlessly every single time without compromise using a finger of your other hand ? If the answers is yes you require more practice in the hidden position , if it’s no the device is defective or poorly designed imho Gaz 🙂 [/quote] The consistency has got nothing to do with the position of the device. It just doesn’t work the way it’s supposed to on a consistent basis. [/quote] I now have the device and it definitely doesn’t function the same way as he demos in the instructions. Transitioning from one button to another doesn’t always register when selecting a different letter. Lemon is able to seamlessly go from one group of letters to the next with zero issues. I cannot do the same. As for practice, the only practice needed is remembering which button you need to push to get to the letter you want. It should not be pushing a button numerous times to get it to register that you’re pushing it. Sometimes I’ve had to push it 9 times to get it to realize that I was pushing it. If I can get mine to work like his, this device will be amazing. I just got a bad one I think and will email him. [/quote] Push harder. Duh. Trolololol :D Also, just to clarify buttons and their pricing. Mechanical microswitches are more expensive than conductive rubber/silicone buttons. Period. Unless you are comparing a bottom of the barrel quality microswitch with a top of the line conductive rubber/silicone button, the microswitch is more expensive and more reliable whilst still operational (they can fail a little more than the conductive rubber/silicone buttons BUT prior to failure, they are more precise and accurate, there's NO mis-press with a microswitch since each button is it's own microswitch). In fact, the conductive rubber/silicone buttons are more prone to being faulty and failure than the mechanical microswitch. If you get a quality microswitch, it will outlast that conductive rubber/silicone button. These are facts and is the reason why gaming peripherals like controllers have both gone up in price significantly AS WELL as adopted microswitches instead of the conductive rubber/silicone buttons. They've gone higher quality and the price as adjusted upwards along with the improved quality. Arcade buttons have mainly been using mechanical microswitches, they are some of the most highly abused buttons in existence yet have proven time and time again to be highly reliable and long lasting. |
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To add to the above about failure rates of conductive rubber vs mechanical. When I said that microswitches might fail a little more than conductive and then also said that failure and fault of the conductive being worse, to clarify those to statements: - when the microswitch fails, you're getting no misspresses, it simply will not function anymore as it can't close the circuit - conductive rubber/silicone buttons failing does not necessarily mean it just stops working, it may work a little bit but unreliable So, why would a microswitch cost more and be less prone to failure? By the nature of how it works. It is it's a self contained button. The button is then soldered to the board. The way it may fail is different to the way a conductive rubber/silicone button fails. A conductive rubber/silicone button works by having a conductive pad at the bottom of the rubber button. When you press this button it completes a circuit. The circuit is printed on the board and each button is printed as two circuits on the board. When you press down on the button the pad comes in contact with both circuits for the button and thus closing the circuit and thus registering a input. The problem is, depending on variance in tolerances and how the rubber button pad is designed, the thing is literally like a sheet of rubber. It may not be making the contact properly. It may be requiring you to press the button in a very specific way as a means for the producer to reduce accidental inputs when pressing down a button (typically you see this as you press down one button but it also registers a press from a directly adjacent button, because as you press this button down it may also be exerting pressure on a adjacent button, you see this with the directional pads on video game controllers that uses conductive silicone buttons, so sometimes pressing left registers up as well or down). They do this by reducing the size of the circuit printed on the board (the smaller the surface area, the less prone to accidental presses from adjacent button presses) but this sometimes will make the surface area so small that you have to hit the button dead on in a "sweet spot" for the button to register. Other things that may happen is if the board warps, this could affect the button press since the circuit is printed on the board itself. A microswitch does not exhibit these problems, since each button is it's own self contained mechanical microswitch. When a microswitch breaks, it's just going to stop working. Now, is there a time and place for conductive rubber/silicone buttons? Yes, like the game controller example I gave above, for the directional pad, there is a need. Why? Because sometimes you need to input a diagonal which means you are hitting two directions at the same time to go in a diagonal (so like up + left to make the input diagonal up and to the left). However, in a on/off type scenario like say entering numbers or letters, there's absolutely no reason you would need to be depressing two buttons simultaneously. |
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[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, pegasus wrote: [quote]On Jun 23, 2019, ArtIn wrote: Did you saw those performances in person? Did you talked to the spectators witnessing those? Seriously, I will not argue with you and your opinion based on stranger experiences or unconfirmed reports. I own console (the whole kit) and have (own) experience with app mentalism. I don’t care if you choose to ignore the obvious. In the tutorial for the lottery prediction (the one you don’t know about yet) it is even explained with the camera roll outcome (without showing a physical photo). So it is even more direct and explainable. The laziest and easiest way is not always the best or most sufficient. No offense meant but I don’t understand people like you on the Café. You keep talking about products (you possibly might never purchase or own) and obviously unfunded opinions. I will stop here as I noticed you arguing with a lot of users in the past. Have a nice day. [/quote] Typical paranoid performer. Lol. [/quote] Nope, just someone who cares about what he is doing and how it will be perceived. I mean you don’t even own it.... 🤦♂️ |
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[quote]On Jun 24, 2019, kissdadookie wrote: [quote]On Jun 22, 2019, lunatik wrote: [quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Chanku wrote: [quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote: The only thing I would add is if you take this device out of it’s hidden place and put it in the palm of your hand . Does every button you press work flawlessly every single time without compromise using a finger of your other hand ? If the answers is yes you require more practice in the hidden position , if it’s no the device is defective or poorly designed imho Gaz 🙂 [/quote] The consistency has got nothing to do with the position of the device. It just doesn’t work the way it’s supposed to on a consistent basis. [/quote] I now have the device and it definitely doesn’t function the same way as he demos in the instructions. Transitioning from one button to another doesn’t always register when selecting a different letter. Lemon is able to seamlessly go from one group of letters to the next with zero issues. I cannot do the same. As for practice, the only practice needed is remembering which button you need to push to get to the letter you want. It should not be pushing a button numerous times to get it to register that you’re pushing it. Sometimes I’ve had to push it 9 times to get it to realize that I was pushing it. If I can get mine to work like his, this device will be amazing. I just got a bad one I think and will email him. [/quote] Push harder. Duh. Trolololol :D Also, just to clarify buttons and their pricing. Mechanical microswitches are more expensive than conductive rubber/silicone buttons. Period. Unless you are comparing a bottom of the barrel quality microswitch with a top of the line conductive rubber/silicone button, the microswitch is more expensive and more reliable whilst still operational (they can fail a little more than the conductive rubber/silicone buttons BUT prior to failure, they are more precise and accurate, there's NO mis-press with a microswitch since each button is it's own microswitch). In fact, the conductive rubber/silicone buttons are more prone to being faulty and failure than the mechanical microswitch. If you get a quality microswitch, it will outlast that conductive rubber/silicone button. These are facts and is the reason why gaming peripherals like controllers have both gone up in price significantly AS WELL as adopted microswitches instead of the conductive rubber/silicone buttons. They've gone higher quality and the price as adjusted upwards along with the improved quality. Arcade buttons have mainly been using mechanical microswitches, they are some of the most highly abused buttons in existence yet have proven time and time again to be highly reliable and long lasting. [/quote] I was pushing enough that Salt n Peppa walked in the room and started singing lol |
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[quote]On Jun 24, 2019, lunatik wrote: [quote]On Jun 24, 2019, kissdadookie wrote: [quote]On Jun 22, 2019, lunatik wrote: [quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Chanku wrote: [quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote: The only thing I would add is if you take this device out of it’s hidden place and put it in the palm of your hand . Does every button you press work flawlessly every single time without compromise using a finger of your other hand ? If the answers is yes you require more practice in the hidden position , if it’s no the device is defective or poorly designed imho Gaz 🙂 [/quote] The consistency has got nothing to do with the position of the device. It just doesn’t work the way it’s supposed to on a consistent basis. [/quote] I now have the device and it definitely doesn’t function the same way as he demos in the instructions. Transitioning from one button to another doesn’t always register when selecting a different letter. Lemon is able to seamlessly go from one group of letters to the next with zero issues. I cannot do the same. As for practice, the only practice needed is remembering which button you need to push to get to the letter you want. It should not be pushing a button numerous times to get it to register that you’re pushing it. Sometimes I’ve had to push it 9 times to get it to realize that I was pushing it. If I can get mine to work like his, this device will be amazing. I just got a bad one I think and will email him. [/quote] Push harder. Duh. Trolololol :D Also, just to clarify buttons and their pricing. Mechanical microswitches are more expensive than conductive rubber/silicone buttons. Period. Unless you are comparing a bottom of the barrel quality microswitch with a top of the line conductive rubber/silicone button, the microswitch is more expensive and more reliable whilst still operational (they can fail a little more than the conductive rubber/silicone buttons BUT prior to failure, they are more precise and accurate, there's NO mis-press with a microswitch since each button is it's own microswitch). In fact, the conductive rubber/silicone buttons are more prone to being faulty and failure than the mechanical microswitch. If you get a quality microswitch, it will outlast that conductive rubber/silicone button. These are facts and is the reason why gaming peripherals like controllers have both gone up in price significantly AS WELL as adopted microswitches instead of the conductive rubber/silicone buttons. They've gone higher quality and the price as adjusted upwards along with the improved quality. Arcade buttons have mainly been using mechanical microswitches, they are some of the most highly abused buttons in existence yet have proven time and time again to be highly reliable and long lasting. [/quote] I was pushing enough that Salt n Peppa walked in the room and started singing lol [/quote] Push it! Push it real good. 💃 💃 💃 |
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[quote]On Jun 24, 2019, ArtIn wrote: [quote]On Jun 23, 2019, pegasus wrote: [quote]On Jun 23, 2019, ArtIn wrote: Did you saw those performances in person? Did you talked to the spectators witnessing those? Seriously, I will not argue with you and your opinion based on stranger experiences or unconfirmed reports. I own console (the whole kit) and have (own) experience with app mentalism. I don’t care if you choose to ignore the obvious. In the tutorial for the lottery prediction (the one you don’t know about yet) it is even explained with the camera roll outcome (without showing a physical photo). So it is even more direct and explainable. The laziest and easiest way is not always the best or most sufficient. No offense meant but I don’t understand people like you on the Café. You keep talking about products (you possibly might never purchase or own) and obviously unfunded opinions. I will stop here as I noticed you arguing with a lot of users in the past. Have a nice day. [/quote] Typical paranoid performer. Lol. [/quote] Nope, just someone who cares about what he is doing and how it will be perceived. I mean you don’t even own it.... 🤦♂️ [/quote] I guess it is different for everyone. If you perform this as shown with your business card and trying to get them to hit your birthday, and use the 'backdate photo' method, they will have no clue. This is the only effect I have performed via Console so far (albeit no Console device used) and it went down a storm. The backdating of the photo leaves them baffled as to them it eliminates the thought you have done something sneaky. And imo, if you are arousing suspicion from your spectator just because you have input some numbers into the calculator app then there could be an issue with the presentation. The idea is you put a prediction down on the table, ask for a bunch of numbers which go into the calculator, and the result is meant to match your prediction. It doesn't but you use the calculator result is seen as another date, which happens to have a photo in your phone of you holding a lottery ticket. I guess it's horses for courses, but I think it is great |
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[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, DadMagic wrote: Regarding bluetooth: Haven't Wikitest performers used bluetooth for watch peek hundreds, maybe thousands, maybe tens of thousands of times? Don't millions of cars and phones been paired and use it for years to play music and transmit map data and driving instructions? But its "unreliable" ? Weird...I guess we should get rid of it! Certainly problematic if a few people couldn't figure it out...obviously not a problem between the chair and keyboard...must be the tech! [/quote] The fact that millions of people use it doesn't mean it never malfunctions. Ask Oz Pearlman, John Archer, etc... |
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This is what I wrote in the Facebook Console group yesterday and today if someone cares :hmm: The Console remote arrived today. I'm using an Android phone, an old Samsung 4. The phone Bluetooth connection worked, but in the global settings in the Condole App it says 'Disconnected'. And the phones keyboards pop up when the Console device is connected. If it helps to understand the problem, I have disconnected all other Bluetooth devices. I have cleared the internal settings in the Console Remote as Mark demonstrates in the instructions. The input from the remote works, but sometimes it jumps over a letter or digit now and then, even when I put it on a table flat an press very accurate from above. and by the way, when the remote is on there is a steady blue light, and a flashing red with thre flashes, paus, then three flashes, paus, and so on. I have set the device keyboard to "English, US. Well, I think this is all for the moment! - - - - To continue… As I see it, the Bluetooth connection between my phone and the Console Remote is not stable. The phone itself finds the remote, but the Console App Global setting says "Disconnected" and the phones own keyboards does not disappear when the remote is on. (The app works ok with the phones own keyboard when I don't try to use the Console Remote.) I have never experienced this with my other Bluetooth devices. My smartwatches work perfectly. No problem with my newly added Fossil Hybrid Smartwatch. My Bluetooth speakers perform flawlessly, and so do my photo remotes. Not to mention my Samsung smart TV. And even if my phone is not the newest model, all other apps works with no problems. Both magic apps and other. The NOW app, Photo Psychology, among many others worked with no problem. I have Android 5.0.1, so it's updated all right! Any suggestions? I'm considering sending back the Console Remote to Mark (I got from him directly) for a checkup, or refund or what...? So, Mark Lemon, Will Jones, Ellusionist... Help!!! |
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[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, Thomas Walter wrote: I have Android 5.0.1, so it's updated all right! Any suggestions? I'm considering sending back the Console Remote to Mark (I got from him directly) for a checkup, or refund or what...? So, Mark Lemon, Will Jones, Ellusionist... Help!!! [/quote] Well you are using a version of android that is now over 5 years old and classed as old version https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history I have 9.00 but even if you get a 2nd Hand phone with 7.00 I am sure you will get better results Most Phone Systems 2-3 Years is the max you can expect |
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[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, JackMagic wrote: [quote]On Jun 25, 2019, Thomas Walter wrote: I have Android 5.0.1, so it's updated all right! Any suggestions? I'm considering sending back the Console Remote to Mark (I got from him directly) for a checkup, or refund or what...? So, Mark Lemon, Will Jones, Ellusionist... Help!!! [/quote] Well you are using a version of android that is now over 5 years old and classed as old version https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history I have 9.00 but even if you get a 2nd Hand phone with 7.00 I am sure you will get better results Most Phone Systems 2-3 Years is the max you can expect [/quote] The phone doesn't matter, it is the Bluetooth send from the Console Remote that disconnect after a minute or so. I have the latest Android update and the Bluetooth 5.0.1. All other modern apps and newest Bluetooth devices work without problems. And the Console app works perfectly when I use th phone keyboard. It is the Bluetooth signal from the remote that fails. |
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[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, Thomas Walter wrote: [quote]On Jun 25, 2019, JackMagic wrote: [quote]On Jun 25, 2019, Thomas Walter wrote: I have Android 5.0.1, so it's updated all right! Any suggestions? I'm considering sending back the Console Remote to Mark (I got from him directly) for a checkup, or refund or what...? So, Mark Lemon, Will Jones, Ellusionist... Help!!! [/quote] Well you are using a version of android that is now over 5 years old and classed as old version https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history I have 9.00 but even if you get a 2nd Hand phone with 7.00 I am sure you will get better results Most Phone Systems 2-3 Years is the max you can expect [/quote] The phone doesn't matter, it is the Bluetooth send from the Console Remote that disconnect after a minute or so. I have the latest Android update and the Bluetooth 5.0.1. All other modern apps and newest Bluetooth devices work without problems. And the Console app works perfectly when I use th phone keyboard. It is the Bluetooth signal from the remote that fails. [/quote] One of two possibilities here. The BT radio on the device may be faulty OR it could be firmware related (on the Console, not your phone, I say this because clearly all other BT devices work fine with your phone, it's just the Console that doesn't). |
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[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, Thomas Walter wrote: This is what I wrote in the Facebook Console group yesterday and today if someone cares :hmm: The Console remote arrived today. I'm using an Android phone, an old Samsung 4. The phone Bluetooth connection worked, but in the global settings in the Condole App it says 'Disconnected'. And the phones keyboards pop up when the Console device is connected. If it helps to understand the problem, I have disconnected all other Bluetooth devices. I have cleared the internal settings in the Console Remote as Mark demonstrates in the instructions. The input from the remote works, but sometimes it jumps over a letter or digit now and then, even when I put it on a table flat an press very accurate from above. and by the way, when the remote is on there is a steady blue light, and a flashing red with thre flashes, paus, then three flashes, paus, and so on. I have set the device keyboard to "English, US. Well, I think this is all for the moment! - - - - To continue… As I see it, the Bluetooth connection between my phone and the Console Remote is not stable. The phone itself finds the remote, but the Console App Global setting says "Disconnected" and the phones own keyboards does not disappear when the remote is on. (The app works ok with the phones own keyboard when I don't try to use the Console Remote.) I have never experienced this with my other Bluetooth devices. My smartwatches work perfectly. No problem with my newly added Fossil Hybrid Smartwatch. My Bluetooth speakers perform flawlessly, and so do my photo remotes. Not to mention my Samsung smart TV. And even if my phone is not the newest model, all other apps works with no problems. Both magic apps and other. The NOW app, Photo Psychology, among many others worked with no problem. I have Android 5.0.1, so it's updated all right! Any suggestions? I'm considering sending back the Console Remote to Mark (I got from him directly) for a checkup, or refund or what...? So, Mark Lemon, Will Jones, Ellusionist... Help!!! [/quote] I've linked Will into this (sent him this thread) as it's above my technical knowledge. Don't forget, we are ALWAYS available via support@ellusionist.com. - Those emails are always answered and nothing gets missed (as apposed to the odd forum post, we can't read everything publicly written. Cheers, - G |
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[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, Thomas Walter wrote: The phone doesn't matter, it is the Bluetooth send from the Console Remote that disconnect after a minute or so. I have the latest Android update and the Bluetooth 5.0.1. All other modern apps and newest Bluetooth devices work without problems. And the Console app works perfectly when I use th phone keyboard. It is the Bluetooth signal from the remote that fails. [/quote] [quote] One of two possibilities here. The BT radio on the device may be faulty OR it could be firmware related (on the Console, not your phone, I say this because clearly all other BT devices work fine with your phone, it's just the Console that doesn't). [/quote] Yes, that's what I think, too. After about a minute a message pops up and says something like: "Not possible to connect to..." and a Bluetooth adress number follows. Unfortunately the number vanish after a few seconds so it is no possible to take a note of it but the message is clear! :pout: Now I just have to find Mark's home address in the UK to send it back to him for either another working device, or a refund. That is sad, I really like this. I would like to use more than the Lotto Selfie effekt using the phonr calculator force. And $95 plus postage is a lot of money in my world and purse! :hmm: |
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[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote: I've linked Will into this (sent him this thread) as it's above my technical knowledge. Don't forget, we are ALWAYS available via support@ellusionist.com. - Those emails are always answered and nothing gets missed (as apposed to the odd forum post, we can't read everything publicly written. Cheers, - G [/quote] Great! Thanks! |
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| Soooo. Is the lotto effect using the calc input method worth the price of the app? iOS by the way. |
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[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, pegasus wrote: Soooo. Is the lotto effect using the calc input method worth the price of the app? iOS by the way. [/quote] I’d say it was mate the few times I’ve done it I’ve have had great reactions |
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[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, cardbiker wrote: [quote]On Jun 25, 2019, pegasus wrote: Soooo. Is the lotto effect using the calc input method worth the price of the app? iOS by the way. [/quote] I’d say it was mate the few times I’ve done it I’ve have had great reactions [/quote] Thanks. Can you confirm iOS app? I’ve heard some negative feedback for iOS? |
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| Yes iOS had no problems app only didn’t rate the Console unit |
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[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, cardbiker wrote: Yes iOS had no problems app only didn’t rate the Console unit [/quote] No problem with the Android app either. The problem starts when Bluetooth Remote and sometimes the printer are added. First you pay about $50 for the app, then more than $100 for the Remote (shipping added, remember) a printer, that's another $100, and then you're [b]supposed to take screenshots, send in crash reports, videos etc. etc, to maybe get updates, maybe, maybe!![/b] just to make it work! I have already payed more than $250!!! For that I want a working product!!!! Why wasn't this tested properly before release?? I mean, really! :( |
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| I was never going to risk buying all 3 together and only the app once it had been road-tested by you poor beta testers. |
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| Can’t find it on the Apple App Store. :confused: |
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It's in the app store, look for Console by Mark Lemon. My question is...do you get any kind of tutorial video with just the app purchase? |
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| Yes we have a separate video for the routines that can be done without the Console device. |
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[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, pegasus wrote: I was never going to risk buying all 3 together and only the app once it had been road-tested by you poor beta testers. [/quote] Seems like since the app will only allow you to perform a lottery routine with it sans Console device, why not just use Cipher and have a lottery ticket just in your wallet at all times? |
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| Or ithump which is different gravy altogether Gaz 🙂 |
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[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, pegasus wrote: Can’t find it on the Apple App Store. :confused: [/quote] Console by Mark Lemon. As for is the lottery effect worth it. I think that varies per person. I personally wouldn’t pay 50$ only to have one effect. Although it will hit big. And remind you that you’ll have to get past the date of June 14 2017 that CANT be changed on the American version. For 30$ more, TAP allows just about anything to be predicted. Although I’m not entirely sure if you can do a lottery effect with it. I’m on the fence about getting TAP. Only to compare the two. I imagine TAP as a whole product, is miles ahead of console. |
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[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote: I’m on the fence about getting TAP. Only to compare the two. I imagine TAP as a whole product, is miles ahead of console. [/quote] If you think Control is good then you should definitely check out TAP as it’s on a whole other level. |
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The remote (assuming it works reliably) and the printer are both very nice, and some folks may consider those items deal breakers as far as preferring Console over TAP. But TAP is light years beyond as far as customization goes. People are figuring out all kinds of ways of revealing multiple things in the same photo. But similar to Inject, having so many options can be a tad overwhelming and it can linger while you figure out what you wish to do and how best to accomplish it. There is something to be said about being given a template and essentially being told what your choices are and learning to make the most of those. But...so many cool things are being shared on the TAP FB group that it is kind of like having an endless supply of templates. But again, with so many to choose from it can often be difficult deciding which ones you want to do. There are some brilliantly creative ideas there. |
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[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, videoman wrote: The remote (assuming it works reliably) and the printer are both very nice, and some folks may consider those items deal breakers as far as preferring Console over TAP. But TAP is light years beyond as far as customization goes. People are figuring out all kinds of ways of revealing multiple things in the same photo. But similar to Inject, having so many options can be a tad overwhelming and it can linger while you figure out what you wish to do and how best to accomplish it. There is something to be said about being given a template and essentially being told what your choices are and learning to make the most of those. But...so many cool things are being shared on the TAP FB group that it is kind of like having an endless supply of templates. But again, with so many to choose from it can often be difficult deciding which ones you want to do. There are some brilliantly creative ideas there. [/quote] This comment may have just made me purchase TAP. Since I already own PP, I can only think that TAP is PP on steroids. And I’ll admit, having only a few choices to choose from can get old. I prefer to be able to mix up predictions using photos. |
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Just a heads up. Michael Murray has shared his TAP, UK Lottery effect v2 and it is great. I now have 3 options for the lottery. Cipher and real lotto ticket, Console and Tap. |
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I have to say I am close to calling it quits with the Console device. I am still just at a stage of practicing with the notes app in my phone, coming up with 3-4 letter random words and spelling them without looking at the phone. I am normally only out by one letter and it is almost always the exact same thing, it is the letter before the letter I need (will make sense to people who have it). I have studied what I do and tried to work out what it is, and it is literally just the thumb on the buttons. If the button isn't pressed completely straight down from above, it doesn't register the press. If your thumb comes at the button at even slightly off centre and doesn't press completely straight down, you are opening yourself up for trouble. Having reached out to Mark previously I understand why he uses these buttons, however I still now believe a solid button would have worked better. A remote similar to that for Joao Miranda's 'The Watch' product I feel would have been perfect for this. Would have allowed you to do single buttons for numbers, and would have the same layout as an old school phone input. Sounds really stupid and small, but you do have to retrain your mind to the fact it is 6 buttons instead of 9 as an old Nokia 3310 for example layout is so button presses are different to what your brain is used to using if you ever used a button press system to input letters. I will give it another week or so of practice, which is a shame as I really like the app and the effects achievable, it is just the device I do not have confidence to use in front of a paying audience |
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| Excellent insight Christopher as ever , it makes perfect sense what you say Gaz 🙂 |
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[quote]On Jun 26, 2019, Christopher Williams wrote: I have to say I am close to calling it quits with the Console device. I am still just at a stage of practicing with the notes app in my phone, coming up with 3-4 letter random words and spelling them without looking at the phone. I am normally only out by one letter and it is almost always the exact same thing, it is the letter before the letter I need (will make sense to people who have it). I have studied what I do and tried to work out what it is, and it is literally just the thumb on the buttons. If the button isn't pressed completely straight down from above, it doesn't register the press. If your thumb comes at the button at even slightly off centre and doesn't press completely straight down, you are opening yourself up for trouble. Having reached out to Mark previously I understand why he uses these buttons, however I still now believe a solid button would have worked better. A remote similar to that for Joao Miranda's 'The Watch' product I feel would have been perfect for this. Would have allowed you to do single buttons for numbers, and would have the same layout as an old school phone input. Sounds really stupid and small, but you do have to retrain your mind to the fact it is 6 buttons instead of 9 as an old Nokia 3310 for example layout is so button presses are different to what your brain is used to using if you ever used a button press system to input letters. I will give it another week or so of practice, which is a shame as I really like the app and the effects achievable, it is just the device I do not have confidence to use in front of a paying audience [/quote] this is exactly what I am experiencing. Mark is sending me a replacement unit and I'll know pretty quickly whether or not it was the unit or my ability to press directly down on the button or not. I'm praying that it's the former. But now reading about your experience, it may be me. If it is me, I'm not sure that I'll be able to practice enough to be able to pull it off with confidence, accuracy and success. I am so sad if not, I wonder if anything can be done to the current console to make it work easily? |
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[quote]On Jun 26, 2019, lunatik wrote: [quote]On Jun 26, 2019, Christopher Williams wrote: I have to say I am close to calling it quits with the Console device. I am still just at a stage of practicing with the notes app in my phone, coming up with 3-4 letter random words and spelling them without looking at the phone. I am normally only out by one letter and it is almost always the exact same thing, it is the letter before the letter I need (will make sense to people who have it). I have studied what I do and tried to work out what it is, and it is literally just the thumb on the buttons. If the button isn't pressed completely straight down from above, it doesn't register the press. If your thumb comes at the button at even slightly off centre and doesn't press completely straight down, you are opening yourself up for trouble. Having reached out to Mark previously I understand why he uses these buttons, however I still now believe a solid button would have worked better. A remote similar to that for Joao Miranda's 'The Watch' product I feel would have been perfect for this. Would have allowed you to do single buttons for numbers, and would have the same layout as an old school phone input. Sounds really stupid and small, but you do have to retrain your mind to the fact it is 6 buttons instead of 9 as an old Nokia 3310 for example layout is so button presses are different to what your brain is used to using if you ever used a button press system to input letters. I will give it another week or so of practice, which is a shame as I really like the app and the effects achievable, it is just the device I do not have confidence to use in front of a paying audience [/quote] this is exactly what I am experiencing. Mark is sending me a replacement unit and I'll know pretty quickly whether or not it was the unit or my ability to press directly down on the button or not. I'm praying that it's the former. But now reading about your experience, it may be me. If it is me, I'm not sure that I'll be able to practice enough to be able to pull it off with confidence, accuracy and success. I am so sad if not, I wonder if anything can be done to the current console to make it work easily? [/quote] This is also my experiences. But I am suspecting that it also has something to do with the Bluetooth signal from the remote to the phone. Or maybe to the app itself. Maybe the buttons are not so much guilty. Mark is a very concerning guy, he answered my email very quickly and he is also sending me another gadget to test. Very good service! Thanks Mark! |
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Played with it a bit more today. If I don't try and 'conceal' the device as taught in like a finger p**m position, and hold it as if it is a TV remove, it is a lot more accurate, not still 10000% as I kept trying to put a K in earlier and it wouldn't put up anything other than an I which confused the hell out of me! I think it is just when holding it the way shown, and your thumb has to come across the button, as in my last post, the angle of the thumb means unless you are flat on top of the button, then it doesn't always register. I won't say it fails every single time, but when performing an effect like this, there is no room for error sadly. Get the wrong word/mis-spell the word and you look an absolute plonker! The only thing that can change this is different buttons. I appreciate Mark may have used this thousands of times, but I've had it for a few weeks now and I still am not confident at my ability to press a button where I can show someone, and the task is very simple... press a button, but when pressing the button isn't reliable not just for myself, but clearly plenty more, I hope E or Mark look at this |
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| If not, they will have a TON of returns which would be unfortunate for such an awesome idea! |
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[quote]On Jun 26, 2019, Christopher Williams wrote: Played with it a bit more today. If I don't try and 'conceal' the device as taught in like a finger p**m position, and hold it as if it is a TV remove, it is a lot more accurate, not still 10000% as I kept trying to put a K in earlier and it wouldn't put up anything other than an I which confused the hell out of me! I think it is just when holding it the way shown, and your thumb has to come across the button, as in my last post, the angle of the thumb means unless you are flat on top of the button, then it doesn't always register. I won't say it fails every single time, but when performing an effect like this, there is no room for error sadly. Get the wrong word/mis-spell the word and you look an absolute plonker! The only thing that can change this is different buttons. I appreciate Mark may have used this thousands of times, but I've had it for a few weeks now and I still am not confident at my ability to press a button where I can show someone, and the task is very simple... press a button, but when pressing the button isn't reliable not just for myself, but clearly plenty more, I hope E or Mark look at this [/quote] Thus microswitch >>>>>>>>>>>> conductive rubber/silicone pad buttons, it's simply way more dependable for this use case. |
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| I was due to receive my console from the July 10th batch, but just requested a cancellation base on what I have heard so far. As an early poster mentioned, the tiny bluetooth keyboards work with this and so I have had some time to play around with the app and it's intended use.... I say intended, because this thing has more bugs than a nature reserve... I think the idea of a simple pre-canned lottery solution like this is great, however it appears that little consideration has been given to the development/stability of the iOS app. There was no consistency around how the app would function with the same settings each time - ultimately it would let me down. As I say, I like the concept, but this has clearly been released with insufficent testing being completed. Poor show.... |
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| The TAP guys are sharing such great ideas and the app is no doubt lightyears ahead of Console. But the straight forwardness of Console in regards to printing the picture and therefore keeping complete distance to the phone or other electronic devices still excites me. Especially Michael Murray s Dead Lock combined with a physical picture of the exact numbers allows for an additional entirely offline impossible reveal. |
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Well, well, well...... I have finally had some issues with the device’s reliability. As a person who once supported the device 100%, I can no longer give it my support. Maybe it was just a matter of time. But I am having the exact same issues that others have mentioned. We all know that the iOS version has more bugs than my daughters insect collection. But I did not expect to be one of the “ what seems to be overwhelming “ abundance of unhappy purchasers. There also seems to be more unsatisfied customers than satisfied ones. Bad business for sure. I came across my misfortune during a performance. I paired my device with another persons phone and tried to spell the location into their map app. It would have been fine if I were off by one letter. But to be off on every letter says “ Houston, we have a problem “. Which turns out to be exactly what others have been saying all along. I did reach out to Mark. He attempted to trouble shoot with me as I’ve been able to record the issues. Couldn’t even spell soccer. Or golf. Simple words that were once accurate. So I will offer my apologies to those that I had different views with. Mark was suppose to get back to me a few days ago. And have not heard a word. I am not the type of person to beg anyone for help. Especially since the person is aware of the problem. The ball is now on his side of the court. It’s also unfortunate that all the issues going on will have to wait even longer for the app users. The tech person is on vacation until the week after the Fourth of July. Just don’t know what to do at this point. I’ve tried to be patient. I’ve tried to be positive. I’ve even tried to make excuses. It’s a sour taste for sure. |
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| I’m really sorry to hear all this. This whole thread screams REFUND to me. |
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| Console does not work. So many problems. I hope they fix it soon. I spent so much money on this. $50 for app. $100 for console device and another $100 on a printer. I’m very disappointed. So it’s not getting fixed until after the holidays? Is this going to be a reoccurring problem every time Apple updates it’s software? Can I get my money back? |
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| I would most definitely request a refund from the Apple Store and return the peripheral devices back to E. |
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| I have sent an email to E for a full refund. This was a great idea but its not practical with all its problems. I really enjoyed it when it worked. Now this is useless. Sure it might get fixed after July 9th. But this cannot be counted on during a performance. Once IOS has an update the app doesn’t work correctly. I’m so disappointed |
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| Keep us updated on how they handle your request for a refund. So that people here know what they’re in for when they buy there. It’s our hard-earned cash and we deserve to get value for money. I’ll keep my fingers crossed for you. |
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| So if it was working now not working, isn’t that a software issue that can be fixed? Is it not worth hanging on? |
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| I’m just worried that after every update of IOS It might not work in the middle of a performance. I know it will be adjusted. But for how long until another update changes it again. How long before they no longer support it? It’s a great idea. It’s amazing when it works. I love the lottery trick the best. I was planning to use it this 4th of July weekend at an event but the software will not be fixed until after July 9th. It’s really a shame. I would have voted this trick of the year for 2019. But if it’s unreliable then I can’t use it in a real performance. |
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| Has anyone on this form had complete success with the device? If no one can claim that it works 100% of the time for them, and there’s absolutely no reason any of us shouldn’t return our devices and request a refund. |
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Still playing with it even now, and I cannot say I get 100% accuracy on every button press. Part of me feels really stupid, I mean how hard is it to press a button!? Again, I won’t say it is every time I press it that it fails, but the effect relies on you not looking at the device (which you don’t need to, it’s very easy to know which button is where. Without wanting to sound like a broken record, when you are required to press a button several times to get to the desired letter, and need to press those buttons within a set time frame to ensure with each press it goes to the next letter, just one mistimed press and its game over. It frustrates me as if it worked as Mark demonstrates, 100% of the time, I would love it and use it a lot. I just don’t see me ever having the confidence to use this in a paid performance, nor even showing just friends. |
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[quote]On Jun 29, 2019, Christopher Williams wrote: Still playing with it even now, and I cannot say I get 100% accuracy on every button press. Part of me feels really stupid, I mean how hard is it to press a button!? Again, I won’t say it is every time I press it that it fails, but the effect relies on you not looking at the device (which you don’t need to, it’s very easy to know which button is where. Without wanting to sound like a broken record, when you are required to press a button several times to get to the desired letter, and need to press those buttons within a set time frame to ensure with each press it goes to the next letter, just one mistimed press and its game over. It frustrates me as if it worked as Mark demonstrates, 100% of the time, I would love it and use it a lot. I just don’t see me ever having the confidence to use this in a paid performance, nor even showing just friends. [/quote] I’m with you on this. I feel stupid because I was defending the product when I should have listened to other purchasers. My device worked as it should. And then out of nowhere, BOOM.... not accurate at all. I can perform the lottery effect each time accurate. But that’s not why I purchased the device. I purchased it to use on other spectators phones. And as you’ve already mentioned, I cannot perform this with confidence. There are two occasions that my performances have been ruined by the inaccuracies of the app and the device. Even to this day, no apologies from E for the first mess up. All that does is prevent me from any future purchases from them. ( not like it matters. I’m only one lost customer ) Any other magic distributors/companies have offered at minimum, some words or encouragement or apologies through an email or PM for the mistakes. I had high hopes for this. And after not hearing from Mark ( who’s work I’m actually a fan of ) I’ll probably send my unit back requesting a refund. I also asked Geraint about the refund policy that Ellusionist has. And how long they honor it. Originally for a friend. And not a word back. Disappointed and unsatisfied. |
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| Lonnie always go through PayPal and they will always refund you at a heart beat from my experience Gaz 🙂 ps the best of luck my friend |
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[quote]On Jun 29, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote: Lonnie always go through PayPal and they will always refund you at a heart beat from my experience Gaz 🙂 ps the best of luck my friend [/quote] Thanks for that info. I wasn’t aware. I actually did go through PayPal for the device with Mark. So I may be in luck. As for the app, we will see how that turns out. |
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| I haven't received my unit yet, but getting worried from reading all of this. Personally I don't have any problems with the lottery effect and printing (IOS). on another note, I thought I read that you can put a pin drop on any location on google map on spectator's phone... is it true? |
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[quote]On Jun 29, 2019, gamma105 wrote: I haven't received my unit yet, but getting worried from reading all of this. Personally I don't have any problems with the lottery effect and printing (IOS). on another note, I thought I read that you can put a pin drop on any location on google map on spectator's phone... is it true? [/quote] Location prediction. But in order to do that, you’ll need a device that is 100% reliable. Let us know when you practice inputting the information on a different phone, if it’s accurate. |
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Update time: There's an update sat waiting for app review with Apple that solves the "It freezes on print" issue. Whilst this should be reviewed and live within 48 hours, it's all down to Apple so it could be less or indeed more. In the meantime, the workaround is as follows: Open Console Tap the gear icon in the top right corner (settings) Tap Print Log Tap Edit Select All Tap the trash icon in the bottom right corner. It’s a little ironic that the tool we added to help debug problems was itself, causing problems. |
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[b][i]An excerpt from my new email sent to Ellusionist today:[/i][/b] The second Console remote arrived from Mark (he send my a replacement) and in my opinion this new one works better... I'm using an Android phone, a Samsung. Now I will give the remote a real practise try/run... But still: Problem 1. The phone itself finds and lists the remote, named Lemon, BUT the Console App Global settings says: "Disconnected". Problem 2: The phones own keyboard does not disappear when the remote is on in the “Lotto Selfie” effect. Problem 3: In Lotto Selfie sometimes the vibration does not sound but a digit is registred. (The app works ok with the phones own keyboard when I don't use the Console Remote.) I have disconnected all other Bluetooth devices. I have cleared the internal settings in the Console Remote as Mark demonstrates in the instructions....etc. etc ......... ........I have Android 5.0.1, but this version has served me well, so far! So, phew, I have tried to include as many details as I remember and hopefully this will make everything clear! (Excluded in this Facebook/Magic Café post.) This is so sad, I really like this. I would like to use more than the Lotto Selfie effect using the phone calculator force. So, maybe you should look into the APP's ability to connect with the BT signal from the remote... Or something? An Android app update please?? |
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Thomas, the problem you're experiencing doesn't sound like it's with the App. The app only queries the operating system for the device's connected status - the text communication itself is handled solely by the operating system. Android 5 was originally released in 2014 and is now unsupported by Google; the current version is now 9, with Android Q on the horizon. The oldest android version currently supported is 7.0. Also, please avoid submitting bug reports via this forum, please send them to support@ellusionist.com, that way everything will be tracked and we'll be better able to work through these issues we're having with you. |
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[quote]On Jul 1, 2019, WillJonesMagic wrote: Thomas, the problem you're experiencing doesn't sound like it's with the App. The app only queries the operating system for the device's connected status - the text communication itself is handled solely by the operating system. Android 5 was originally released in 2014 and is now unsupported by Google; the current version is now 9, with Android Q on the horizon. The oldest android version currently supported is 7.0. Also, please avoid submitting bug reports via this forum, please send them to support@ellusionist.com, that way everything will be tracked and we'll be better able to work through these issues we're having with you. [/quote] Will, I have also send Ellusionist Support the above, and have just now got an answer from Christopher and also send him my thoughts on this The reason I published my email here was just to maybe help and inform others with similar problems, as is common here on the Café. I am sure Christopher will inform you in turn. |
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| I know Will is only the app tech guy (don’t mean only in a light way might I add), but would be nice if someone else was able to chime in to the large amount of people still having issues with the device itself |
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[quote]On Jul 1, 2019, Christopher Williams wrote: I know Will is only the app tech guy (don’t mean only in a light way might I add), but would be nice if someone else was able to chime in to the large amount of people still having issues with the device itself [/quote] Will does get a lot of heat for the apps complications. But In all fairness, he’s not the one out there performing and testing the different types of phones. I agree with Christopher Williams. Someone else should chime in here and there. It may help some of us out more. I understand that Will can only do so much. And to do certain things he’ll need permission from certain people. That’s who I’d like to talk to. People that can make those decisions. |
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| Not trying to stir trouble, but I cancelled my order, downloaded TAP, and have streamlined a routine with my Polaroid zip that gets the same kind of reactions that I’ve seen in the console trailer. If console works all it’s bugs out, it’d obviously be smoother, especially for the cellphone reveals. |
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[quote]On Jul 5, 2019, Hudson Lee wrote: Not trying to stir trouble, but I cancelled my order, downloaded TAP, and have streamlined a routine with my Polaroid zip that gets the same kind of reactions that I’ve seen in the console trailer. If console works all it’s bugs out, it’d obviously be smoother, especially for the cellphone reveals. [/quote] No could blame you either. As for TAP. 😳😳😳 MILES AND MILES AHEAD. |
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After reading everyone's comments and seeing the ups and downs of fellow magi feelings about this device, seeing people doing an about face in terms of loving Console and then not getting any use of it due to changes outside their control... I am so glad I waited... I am not against technology at all, but I truly think that if you use it, be very prepared to use an alternative or have an out for when it fails or go out of favor. I think another valuable lesson I took from this that I already knew from learning the hard way over a decade ago with the Frozen Bird (one of my favorite shops): avoid the pre-sales hype. Geraint (Ellusionist), Titanus (Murphys), Acar (Penguin), and creators (e.g., Sankey) are doing their job in getting the conversations going. These gentlemen and others do their job well. I fully understand that they are dependent on magicians and mentalits buying products. After spending thousands and thousands of dollars over the last 19 years in magic and growing in the art in terms of knowledge and experience, I have seen too many incidences where the hyperbole for a product is way beyond the reality for various reasons. Thank you to those members of the Café that help others cut through the noise to find clarity in what one is purchasing. Good magic to all.... |
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| Notice how ellusionist aren’t approving any submitted reviews for console or folk would actually get a true measure of the product... and they say magic is deceptive.... |
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| Thanks for pointing that out. That's bizarre and as far as I'm concerned completely immoral. I completely lost trust in their way of doing business. |
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I have mixed feelings about Ellusionist. I bought two Chess Guess units since there were a few comments here on the Café and Ellusionist sites about getting faulty units. Lo and behold, one of the two units had a faulty t*****r. I emailed and got an immediate refund within 30 minutes, no questions asked. I really like Chess Guess quite a bit and am glad to get it for $39. I also love Peter Turner's thinking. That is the positive. Now for the flip side. From a review perpective, Ellusionist offers nothing but the best products ever if I read nothing but their reviews. That is why we need to keep receiving unbiased reviews on the Café, WPR, from fellow Texan Magic Orthodoxy (David Kenney), Kaan, Jeff Stone (come back Jeff!), Ekat, and even Baby Magic Orthodoxy (The teenage magician that is just like David 30 years ago). For their big release Isolated, there is no support for their US based customers. I cannot buy replacement stickers easily to sticker my other cubes or just buy Isolated cubes without emptying my bank account to pay really high fees and shipping from UK based Saturn Magic. I am willing and have supported Kieron's work, but when I called up Ellusionist..the lady (Jennifer may be her name)politely shrugged and gave me a "Oh well!" in everything but name. Good magic to all... |
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[quote]On Jul 16, 2019, The Mysterious One wrote: I have mixed feelings about Ellusionist. I bought two Chess Guess units since there were a few comments here on the Café and Ellusionist sites about getting faulty units. Lo and behold, one of the two units had a faulty t*****r. I emailed and got an immediate refund within 30 minutes, no questions asked. I really like Chess Guess quite a bit and am glad to get it for $39. I also love Peter Turner's thinking. That is the positive. Now for the flip side. From a review perpective, Ellusionist offers nothing but the best products ever if I read nothing but their reviews. That is why we need to keep receiving unbiased reviews on the Café, WPR, from fellow Texan Magic Orthodoxy (David Kenney), Kaan, Jeff Stone (come back Jeff!), Ekat, and even Baby Magic Orthodoxy (The teenage magician that is just like David 30 years ago). For their big release Isolated, there is no support for their US based customers. I cannot buy replacement stickers easily to sticker my other cubes or just buy Isolated cubes without emptying my bank account to pay really high fees and shipping from UK based Saturn Magic. I am willing and have supported Kieron's work, but when I called up Ellusionist..the lady (Jennifer may be her name)politely shrugged and gave me a "Oh well!" in everything but name. M Good magic to all... [/quote] Yes, Jeff Stone, please come back! And I’m thinkin “Baby O” needs to find his own style vs copying someone else. |
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I'm not one to leave negative reviews here - in fact, this is my first EVER negative review - but this is absolute junk. Ellusionist should do a product recall - they would have made far more from me in the long term if they'd done so. In fairness, if it HAD worked, it would have been hugely underpriced, as a lot of work / technology has gone into it. I'd far rather they charged 3x the money, but that it actually worked. (Then again, I REALLY wish it had been created by Pro**stic ... it might have been 5x the price, but would be rock-solid and something I could rely on for years to come). |
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| One more point - if there are any electronics wizards here who are crazy enough to work with surface mount electronics - and would replace the buttons with some that actually work - I'd be first in line as a customer! |
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| Promystic developing this.... now that would be something amazing! Such a shame as the concept is great, but it’s just been wasted :-( |
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I would put money down (the litle I have after buying a lot of quality magic this year) that Craig F. would just killed it with Console (slang term for do an excellent job for those over the age of 90). I would say the same thing for Chess Guess in terms of having less faulty units and better battery life. I don't own any Promystic products, but I have good friends that have their share. Great quality. I wanted Flux, but I have doubts that I could perform various routines openly with it due to being a person (magician) of color. I guess I could use the special something with Flux like I do a TT, which would be nonsensical at best. |
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A note on Flux I use it sometimes casually with the gimmick but also out of the gimmick and just gaffer taped inside the cuff of my shirt sleeve . It works flawlessly both ways , I also agree Promystic products are fantastic as is Craig’s customer service Gaz 🙂 |
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| I am so impressed with the *concept* that I am seriously looking at getting a version created/modified with working buttons. Hopefully they fix the iOS app - which should in theory be easier to address than a total product recall - and if not, I'll get my own app written. That's how much I like the idea! |
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| Ohh, I was just reminded of something, which could be a possible substitute for the gimmick. Look up Cesaral. It's pricier, and less hidden, but I have some of his other stuff which is rock solid. |
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[quote]On Jul 17, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote: A note on Flux I use it sometimes casually with the gimmick but also out of the gimmick and just gaffer taped inside the cuff of my shirt sleeve . It works flawlessly both ways , I also agree Promystic products are fantastic as is Craig’s customer service Gaz 🙂 [/quote] Not to hijack the thread, but that is a really good idea. I own SS 3.0, love it, and used the band from Ellusionist from my non-working Chess Guess unit. This would be a better soluton. Thanks Gaz! |
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I’ve tried to reason with myself that this product can be adjusted on E’s side. But as the days and weeks pass, I’ve become convinced that there will be no such effort. For me, I will not ask for a refund as I said I would. But Instead, use this product as a reminder that my support for E was not treated the way I did them. ( benefit of the doubt ) I constantly messaged others expressing to them that it will get better. Heck, out of all the people I contacted, you would have thought I was working for Ellusionist. To make the wound more self inflicted, I was contacted by a good friend ( I will not drop their name ) who knows that team very well. They told me that I should have asked them about it and they would have advised not to get it, and that they knew it wasn’t ready first hand because they had a chance to test it out some time before it’s release. I definitely should have asked. It’s a hard lesson learned. But it also shows that customers are nowhere near as valued as they’ve been portrayed to be. It’s super unfortunate that I will no longer be a customer after my last purchase of the FU2 cards. ( only because I didn’t want to print my own ) which also seems to carry some controversial aspects with that product as well. I don’t know enough about the history of that product to go into details. But it does seem that it’s a large problem amongst certain people. So much, that Geraint has decided to step away from Facebook after a controversial choice made by another person. Anyways, this will hopefully be my last post on this product. Just know that it’s not going to get any better, and from my understanding, they are not willing to go backwards to fix problems that need them to go backwards. I wish it were different. And I really feel bad for Mark most of all. |
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I’m sorry but I have to disagree. I think you should definitely ask for a refund. I don’t understand your rationale for not returning a defective product. Allowing a company to get away with selling defective merchandise is NOT doing the right thing IMO. Would you feel this same way if you had bought a defective music player from Amazon? Demanding a refund carries 10 times more weight with most companies than simply stating you’ll no longer be a customer. Otherwise they are more likely to just continue selling bad products and more people may end up losing their hard-earned money. Don’t walk away defeated, you have rights. |
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[quote]On Jul 21, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote: So much, that Geraint has decided to step away from Facebook after a controversial choice made by another person. [/quote] Only temporarily. [quote]On July 18, 2019, Geraint Clarke wrote: I’m out. Taking a digital detox and coming off social media for a while. I’d urge some of you to do the same.[/quote] |
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[quote]On Jul 21, 2019, videoman wrote: I’m sorry but I have to disagree. I think you should definitely ask for a refund. I don’t understand your rationale for not returning a defective product. Allowing a company to get away with selling defective merchandise is NOT doing the right thing IMO. Would you feel this same way if you had bought a defective music player from Amazon? Demanding a refund carries 10 times more weight with most companies than simply stating you’ll no longer be a customer. Otherwise they are more likely to just continue selling bad products and more people may end up losing their hard-earned money. Don’t walk away defeated, you have rights. [/quote] You’re absolutely right. And maybe I will ask for a refund. To be honest, I didn’t think about it like that. |
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I got my refund. It took about two weeks but I got it from Ellusionist. Keep us posted on how long it takes to get your refund. |
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I was advised by Ellusionist they've had "very few genuine defect returns. Less than 5". Seems rather improbable, reading this forum. I bought one, so has a friend of mine, both were defective. He's returned his, so that's "less than 4" other returns ... I unfortunately I can't afford the time to stand in line at the post office, and fill out the paperwork necessarily to post back internationally. That's my rationale for not returning a defective product. So, I'll just say I spend a LOT of money on this magical obsession of mine, and Ellusionist shall be getting no more of it... |
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Actually returns are not as difficult as it sounds. When you buy Console your guaranteed to get a refund within 60 days of purchase “ No Questions Asked” This is from their website 60 Day, Full Battery-To-Buttons Guarantee. Console works like a gem. Order one from the small batch run now…watch the stupidly good reactions you get…if you’re not entirely happy, return it within 60 days and receive a full refund (minus shipping). No questions asked. |
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| "Battery-To-Buttons Guarantee" - well, at least the battery worked! :-) |
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| Seems like E are slowly sinking deeper and deeper into the black hole with their bad releases... maybe Brad needs to higher some less none half wits and go back to customer quality not the dollar sign |
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[quote]On Jul 21, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote: I’ve tried to reason with myself that this product can be adjusted on E’s side. But as the days and weeks pass, I’ve become convinced that there will be no such effort. For me, I will not ask for a refund as I said I would. But Instead, use this product as a reminder that my support for E was not treated the way I did them. ( benefit of the doubt ) I constantly messaged others expressing to them that it will get better. Heck, out of all the people I contacted, you would have thought I was working for Ellusionist. To make the wound more self inflicted, I was contacted by a good friend ( I will not drop their name ) who knows that team very well. They told me that I should have asked them about it and they would have advised not to get it, and that they knew it wasn’t ready first hand because they had a chance to test it out some time before it’s release. I definitely should have asked. It’s a hard lesson learned. But it also shows that customers are nowhere near as valued as they’ve been portrayed to be. It’s super unfortunate that I will no longer be a customer after my last purchase of the FU2 cards. ( only because I didn’t want to print my own ) which also seems to carry some controversial aspects with that product as well. I don’t know enough about the history of that product to go into details. But it does seem that it’s a large problem amongst certain people. So much, that Geraint has decided to step away from Facebook after a controversial choice made by another person. Anyways, this will hopefully be my last post on this product. Just know that it’s not going to get any better, and from my understanding, they are not willing to go backwards to fix problems that need them to go backwards. I wish it were different. And I really feel bad for Mark most of all. [/quote] Lonnie, I agree wholeheartedly with my good friend videoman! Return that bad boy. You honestly do not owe Ellusionist anything; on the other hand, they owe you $150 dollars or the equivalent amount in quid, Aussie dollars, yen, looneis, or wherever the currency is that you live. By the way, Ellusionist is now placing negative/ critical reviews of the product on their site. Lonnie gave it 4 stars as of June 2019 (might want to submit a newer rating so others will know Lonnie) and a few others. I noticed three critical reviews posted to Ellusionist starting in the June 2019 timeframe. Maybe Ellusionist is listening to their customers (or former customers in some cases) by looking at these posts. Someone needs to send them a heartfelt message in terms of changing how they do things. I know Penguin listened all of those years ago, took the criticism (including constructive criticism), and took it to the next level in terms of being ethical, offering new products, taking down products with controversial crediting and those that are knockoffs, and provided excellent customer service. Penguin isn't perfect (some of their trailers have cutaways at convenient moments), but they always have all reviews (the good, bad, and the ugly). Only comments exposing the workings of the effect not in the ad copy are taken down, which I wholeheartedly agree with. They have some of the best of the best offering lectures, instant downloads, and effects on their site, including beloved performers that are /were regulars here on the Café (e.g., Jan Forster, Tom Stone, the great Bob Cassidy [RIP], and a number of others). Hopefully Ellusionist can learn for these experiences and not alienate too many customers while changing the way they do things. If they want to continue selling to the hipster magician or teenage kids, go for it. If you want to sell higher price items (e.g., Isolated) to the serious hobbyist or professional, then support the flipping product (for Isolated, offer replacement cubes, replacement jars, stickers, and m*****s). If you want to sell electronics, then make sure it works and is high quality and useable. I don't keep too close of tabs on ol' E, but I can count two electronic releases it has produced that have serious flaws (Console and Chess Guess from the comments I have seen on the Café). The only reason I bought two of Chess Guess was just in case one didn't work, and I was right. That is what happened. Based on what Lonnie said about knowing someone that knows E intentionally released a product not ready for showtime (release), one should be VERY leery in buying anything from E related to technology in the future. |
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[quote]On Jul 21, 2019, hotjacket wrote: I was advised by Ellusionist they've had "very few genuine defect returns. Less than 5". Seems rather improbable, reading this forum. I bought one, so has a friend of mine, both were defective. He's returned his, so that's "less than 4" other returns ... [/quote] I’m glad you don't believe them. Also I would be surprised if they let the average review go below four stars. [img]https://y.yarn.co/5dc57e1b-c830-4b88-b71f-93ae3c126028_text_hi.gif[/img] |
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If something seems to good to be true ... it probably is. Looking at the revenue they are getting (asking price x units sold), there just doesn't seem to be enough to properly develop. I never got Guess Chess - but constructed something similar using LabCo products, where I can tell not only the color, but what specific chess piece has been selected. Expensive, but rock solid: it has never failed. Nor would I want it to! |
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Last three comments From E's site as of a few minutes ago as proof they are showing negative reviews (we just don't know if they are not posting other negative reviews about this product beyond the three below). It is an incredible coincidence that negative reviews starting showing up after magicians/mentalists mentioning no negative reviews on this thread. I am incredulous that this took place by chance. Note: When I copied and paste the comments, the stars converted to percentages Additional Note: Lonnie, if/when you see this, please don't think I am pressuring you to change your review. If you still feel this way, then leave it. You have a right to feel how you feel about this product. If you want to let sleeping dogs lie, that is your choice. Conversely, you might want to guide others so they don't feel the frustration and disappointment that you now feel about this product. Wishing you the best in terms of getting a refund from E and reinvesting that money into a book, DVD, or effect that knocks the socks off your spectators. https://www.ellusionist.com/console-by-mark-lemon.html Lastest Reviews by Steve P Jul 2019 I love the concept of console, but unfortunately there are too many teething issues for this to be a happy purchase. The iOS app is pretty unreliable and I wouldn't feel confident using this on a real audience. shamereally. 60% by Ben Jun 2019 Nice idea, good app but unfortunately no € currency design for the lottery prediction. What a pity for customers from europe 80% by Lonnie L. Jun 2019 There’s not a bunch of things I can say that hasn’t already been said. However, there is one con. And it is extremely frustrating to deal with. Especially for those of us that had to wait until our device ships to us. The app for iOS seems to be very buggy. And that’s important to have fixed for performances. It’s not 100% reliable at this time imo. Even after the update ( June 11 2019 ) there are still some things that NEED to be fixed. I’ve already expressed my concerns in the Facebook group over these issues. And E.’s app guy ( Will Jones ) is putting in overtime to make sure that these issues get addressed and properly straightened out. As frustrating as I am as a consumer, I can only imagine the type of frustration Will is experiencing with the bugs that he’s trying to eliminate. He’s put in so much time to make it is what it is today. BUT...... If you notice, I gave this 5 stars. Even after being super frustrated with the app as it stands now. I fully understand the possibilities that this has as a whole product. I am absolutely excited for this in every way. Even with my non-working app. I’ve seen this in action. And know that this will be one of the most powerful effects you can purchase right now. I’m 100% confident that my issues with the app will be fixed. Which is also why I gave this 5 stars. Console deserves a ton of credit for being as versatile as it is. There is no false advertising. There is no misleading. This is as straight forward as you can get. There’s a review here that goes over quite a bit of things that cover all the positive things that you can do with console. And I didn’t want my review to copy that great review. I wanted mine to show that even though I’m not able to fully trust the app at this time, I still KNOW that I have possibly the most hard hitting power house of an effect, there is. And I will continue to promote this and support E. with console. IT IS ABSOLUTELY WORTH THE PRICE . Tap the purchase button. Because you will have yourself the potential to start a new religion with this. And that’s scary good. |
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[quote]On Jul 23, 2019, hotjacket wrote: If something seems to good to be true ... it probably is. Looking at the revenue they are getting (asking price x units sold), there just doesn't seem to be enough to properly develop. I never got Guess Chess - but constructed something similar using LabCo products, where I can tell not only the color, but what specific chess piece has been selected. Expensive, but rock solid: it has never failed. Nor would I want it to! [/quote] That sounds awesome hotjacket. And if it is Labco, I am sure it is rock solid. |
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| I have done the same using Cesars chips he uses in his cards etc but sells them spare . You can then plant them in anything , therefore you know immediately what object has been taken so in turn you must also know the colour Gaz 🙂 |
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| I think I may have to return mine. I have 4 days to go within my 60 days. I can't say I haven't tried to get this down and make it work. I still love the concept, but nearly 2 months later and I still have zero confidence in the devices ability to work 100% of the time and not make me look like a :clownonball: . Should E ever release a better device then I would certainly get it again, but it just isn't worth it imo |
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[quote]On Jul 23, 2019, The Mysterious One wrote: Last three comments From E's site as of a few minutes ago as proof they are showing negative reviews (we just don't know if they are not posting other negative reviews about this product beyond the three below). It is an incredible coincidence that negative reviews starting showing up after magicians/mentalists mentioning no negative reviews on this thread. I am incredulous that this took place by chance. Note: When I copied and paste the comments, the stars converted to percentages Additional Note: Lonnie, if/when you see this, please don't think I am pressuring you to change your review. If you still feel this way, then leave it. You have a right to feel how you feel about this product. If you want to let sleeping dogs lie, that is your choice. Conversely, you might want to guide others so they don't feel the frustration and disappointment that you now feel about this product. Wishing you the best in terms of getting a refund from E and reinvesting that money into a book, DVD, or effect that knocks the socks off your spectators. https://www.ellusionist.com/console-by-mark-lemon.html Lastest Reviews by Steve P Jul 2019 I love the concept of console, but unfortunately there are too many teething issues for this to be a happy purchase. The iOS app is pretty unreliable and I wouldn't feel confident using this on a real audience. shamereally. 60% by Ben Jun 2019 Nice idea, good app but unfortunately no € currency design for the lottery prediction. What a pity for customers from europe 80% by Lonnie L. Jun 2019 There’s not a bunch of things I can say that hasn’t already been said. However, there is one con. And it is extremely frustrating to deal with. Especially for those of us that had to wait until our device ships to us. The app for iOS seems to be very buggy. And that’s important to have fixed for performances. It’s not 100% reliable at this time imo. Even after the update ( June 11 2019 ) there are still some things that NEED to be fixed. I’ve already expressed my concerns in the Facebook group over these issues. And E.’s app guy ( Will Jones ) is putting in overtime to make sure that these issues get addressed and properly straightened out. As frustrating as I am as a consumer, I can only imagine the type of frustration Will is experiencing with the bugs that he’s trying to eliminate. He’s put in so much time to make it is what it is today. BUT...... If you notice, I gave this 5 stars. Even after being super frustrated with the app as it stands now. I fully understand the possibilities that this has as a whole product. I am absolutely excited for this in every way. Even with my non-working app. I’ve seen this in action. And know that this will be one of the most powerful effects you can purchase right now. I’m 100% confident that my issues with the app will be fixed. Which is also why I gave this 5 stars. Console deserves a ton of credit for being as versatile as it is. There is no false advertising. There is no misleading. This is as straight forward as you can get. There’s a review here that goes over quite a bit of things that cover all the positive things that you can do with console. And I didn’t want my review to copy that great review. I wanted mine to show that even though I’m not able to fully trust the app at this time, I still KNOW that I have possibly the most hard hitting power house of an effect, there is. And I will continue to promote this and support E. with console. IT IS ABSOLUTELY WORTH THE PRICE . Tap the purchase button. Because you will have yourself the potential to start a new religion with this. And that’s scary good. [/quote] Not at all my friend. You and Videoman are correct. It’s not fair to others to not know the full story. And how things have been addressed. I’m also going to edit my review on their site ( if they allow it to be posted ) because it was definitely a premature review on my behalf. I’ve had time to think this through. It would be a very big disservice to others as well as myself. Great concept. Just not ready for the market quite yet. And it’s my opinion that coincidences don’t happen with reviews. I think you’re spot on. |
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| Well, if the staff at E read this thread - and at the risk of getting flamed here - please, spend all the time and money you need to, to ensure your products are rock solid. If it all that R&D needs to be reflected in a higher retail price, so be it. If it was $299 and worked flawlessly, I'd still consider it a total bargain. Consider the pricing and reliability of Pro**stic, Cesar**, Tay**r, Lab**, etc. For me, it's not about price, but about value. An expensive product that is rock-solid-reliable and blows people away is something I'd consider good value. But a $99 product that does not work, is poor value. |
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| I’ve put in for a refund which has been accepted and am sending it back tomorrow. Such a shame as I do agree if the device was better it would be worth double |
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| Probably a good move Chris. If you hear that inner voice questioning a purchase due to the hype being greater than the actual effect, run quickly to the magic store to get a refund. |
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[quote]On Jul 24, 2019, The Mysterious One wrote: Probably a good move Chris. If you hear that inner voice questioning a purchase due to the hype being greater than the actual effect, run quickly to the magic store to get a refund. [/quote] It's not the hype being greater than the effect. I also have no issues with the app personally. It is just the device. For me personally, it does not work 100% of the time. I have practiced and practiced and just cannot get it to a point where I am comfortable. If it was sleight of hand or complicated moves and procedures I would understand... but it is pushing buttons, not really the hardest task in the world. Should a new device ever come out I will certainly look at getting it again |
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| From the makers of "change" aka one of those cards that changes colour that we got in cereal box in the 80s, comes another piece of unusable rubbish from an unapologetic Elusionist. Sad as they do actually release some really good stuff too. I just wish they had a bit more of a filter / better quality control |
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| I’ve also asked for a refund. Still waiting to see if it’ll be approved. I’ve also modified my review, so that’s a 50/50 chance it’ll be approved. My lesson from this has actually come from the members here. Valuable information coming from life long performers/hobbyists goes some distance. So I appreciate all the comments that have helped me gain a better understanding of this situation. |
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Hey fellas, I had Mark send me a replacement unit and I have put it through it’s paces for the past 3 weeks.......this one works perfectly! I’ve had zero problems using it and everything that I’ve thrown at it has worked great! I am now fully satisfied with my purchase and am now waiting for news that the apple app is working perfectly. Thank you Mark for the emails and personal, it’s greatly appreciated! |
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| Has anyone else swapped theirs out? Might be worth a shot |
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| I still have not received mine, sadly |
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[quote]On Aug 3, 2019, lunatik wrote: Hey fellas, I had Mark send me a replacement unit and I have put it through it’s paces for the past 3 weeks.......this one works perfectly! I’ve had zero problems using it and everything that I’ve thrown at it has worked great! I am now fully satisfied with my purchase and am now waiting for news that the apple app is working perfectly. Thank you Mark for the emails and personal, it’s greatly appreciated! [/quote] I just find it amusing that the ad-copy on Ellusionist's site claims how they've ran the device through the paces to make it perfect and then when it's released it sounds like mostly if not all duds and you had to wait all this time to finally become one of if not the only one with a functioning satisfactory device now. Like is it just me or is that ad-copy essentially a whole lot of horse poo? |
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99.9% horse poo no doubt I hope Mark either redesigns or Promystic takes the reigns. I think the idea has a ton of potential, just need to have a device that works great for everyone and not just me. |
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[quote]On Aug 5, 2019, lunatik wrote: 99.9% horse poo no doubt I hope Mark either redesigns or Promystic takes the reigns. I think the idea has a ton of potential, just need to have a device that works great for everyone and not just me. [/quote] Ha ha ha. The buttons still look like cheap TV remote style buttons IMO. I feel like that's the biggest issue with this thing, looks like it was made with cheaper parts. |
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If I had one thing to pick on it would be the style of button. it has a knobby rubbery top that moves around a bit which for my first remote, it seemed to cause many incorrect readings or none at all. But once I received my replacement which works great, I realized that it wasn't so much the knobby rubber topped buttons, but the device itself. I'm the furthest thing from being a button expert, but I like a good old keyboard style button. It's just easy to use imo. But I'm sure there are many more button designs that are better for this use no doubt |
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[quote]On Aug 5, 2019, lunatik wrote: If I had one thing to pick on it would be the style of button. it has a knobby rubbery top that moves around a bit which for my first remote, it seemed to cause many incorrect readings or none at all. But once I received my replacement which works great, I realized that it wasn't so much the knobby rubber topped buttons, but the device itself. I'm the furthest thing from being a button expert, but I like a good old keyboard style button. It's just easy to use imo. But I'm sure there are many more button designs that are better for this use no doubt [/quote] Yeah, rubber contacts style buttons are finicky like that when you don't plan out the printed circuits on the board properly (where the contact on the rubber button is supposed to come into contact with to register a button press). So when you have a small amount of real estate to work with and you want to prevent mis-presses, you make those printed circuits smaller (thus requiring more precision with your presses) or you can make the buttons more sensitive by making the printed circuits larger but now you risk having mis-presses because pressing one button make inadvertently end up pressing another button. So to understand how this looks like, here is a photo of the d-pad of a controller. The issue with this particular controller is that the d-pad is too sensitive and often you hit a diagonal input (simultaneously pressing left + up for example when pressing just left). The solution here was to tape off part of the contacts (thus making the area have less contact area thus making it more precise at the expense of sensitivity): https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--CK5zeYDk--/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/jecsfju9jgwk1xepdbdu.png Which is why I laughed at the description about the buttons stating how it's superior to micro-switches, etc. |
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Taping it off possibly would make it great for old school games like Pac-Man! Thanks for the diagram! Another thing that I do like about the remote is it’s size. Super small and is easily hidden, yet functional in use. |
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[quote]On Aug 5, 2019, lunatik wrote: Taping it off possibly would make it great for old school games like Pac-Man! Thanks for the diagram! Another thing that I do like about the remote is it’s size. Super small and is easily hidden, yet functional in use. [/quote] Yup, exactly the problem that current Switch pro controller has. LoL. |
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| Too funny! And I have a handful of them, so talk about carpal tunnel in my near future! |
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[quote]On Aug 5, 2019, lunatik wrote: Too funny! And I have a handful of them, so talk about carpal tunnel in my near future! [/quote] Tetris is best played with the joy con. That’s my pro tip here. LoL. |
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All pre-orders are shipping TODAY & Tomorrow. Apologies for any delays, but we appreciate your patience. Good things come to those who wait :D We only have 100 units left (once pre-orders are fulfilled) from this current batch... so if it's something you've been after for a while, make sure you snag it FAST :) Cheers, - G |
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| We all can’t wait lol Gaz 🙂 |
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[quote]On Aug 21, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote: All pre-orders are shipping TODAY & Tomorrow. Apologies for any delays, but we appreciate your patience. Good things come to those who wait :D We only have 100 units left (once pre-orders are fulfilled) from this current batch... so if it's something you've been after for a while, make sure you snag it FAST :) Cheers, - G [/quote] WHAT?? Have you not read this thread ? Good things come to those who wait?? Lol |
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[quote]On Aug 21, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote: All pre-orders are shipping--- ---We only have 100 units left (once pre-orders are fulfilled) from this current batch--- G [/quote] So if this new batch, by chance, have improved buttons or more reliable functions, I suppose that we, the first batchers, will have the option to, free of charge, replace our mal- or near malfunctional remotes? Or...? :rolleyes: |
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| No and no , just guessing to the questions above Gaz 🙂 |
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| That woul be the least E could do, after all the grief they caused. |
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[quote]On Aug 21, 2019, Thomas Walter wrote: [quote]On Aug 21, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote: All pre-orders are shipping--- ---We only have 100 units left (once pre-orders are fulfilled) from this current batch--- G [/quote] So if this new batch, by chance, have improved buttons or more reliable functions, I suppose that we, the first batchers, will have the option to, free of charge, replace our mal- or near malfunctional remotes? Or...? :rolleyes: [/quote] Good luck. LoL. |
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| It would be nice to see someone from E come here and comment on if they’ll replace the error batch free of cost instead of abandoning the entire post subject. Adding Peter Turner was a brilliant idea ( possible distraction from the heat they’ve received as of lately ) but it’s not going to change that their customer service is still well below the standards that it’s claimed to be. Maybe the addition of Turner will help them fill in the gaps that they’ve overlooked. 🤷♂️. Regardless, when PT releases material, I’ll be buying it directly from him if it’s an option. |
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| I got an email today from E about the re-release, watched the trailer and a You Tube full performance and all I can say is "Wow". I put it in my cart and was at checkout and a small light came on and said check the MC forum for the heck of it. Read many but not all of the 30 pages of posts, I've never been a fan of E but have made some purchases, never over the top for me and won't be for a while if they can't be more professional. I then clicked X and it's gone. Thanks to the Café for saving me some anguish. |
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| I just got mine. Tried the bedside table prediction. The keyboard is supposed to switch to numbers after the 4 digit word but it does not and keeps entering letters. Can anyone who has this help? |
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[quote]On Aug 27, 2019, Xcath1 wrote: I just got mine. Tried the bedside table prediction. The keyboard is supposed to switch to numbers after the 4 digit word but it does not and keeps entering letters. Can anyone who has this help? [/quote] Yep! Box it up and send it back for a refund |
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| Contact support@ellusionist.com with details such as your phone's make and model, OS version, and a description of what is happening so we can get that to Will to look at. |
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I figured out that issue Chris. The app was showing letters rather than numbers until all 4 digits of the time had been entered then it “set” the clock. I am also finding not every tap registers. I feel it is a software/Bluetooth issue rather than a hardware issue but I’m just guessing. |
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| I found that I had to tap a little slower than I thought I did to get very consistent results. But when I did it became very smooth. |
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| Agreed, also a full charge helps |
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| You are a brave soul ignoring all of the reviews Xcath1. Let us know how it works for you. Hopefully, you have the one diamond amongst the coal in terms of the input device. I have a strange sense that you will be boxing it up and sending it back for a refund. Call me a mentalist. |
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[quote]On Aug 28, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: :rotf: [/quote] How dare you laugh! You are inviting the wrath of BOB. You know, the RESPECTED poster on here because someone knows his name, which is, BOB. BOB loves everything don'tcha know! Trololololololololol. |
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[quote]On Aug 28, 2019, kissdadookie wrote: [quote]On Aug 28, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: :rotf: [/quote] How dare you laugh! You are inviting the wrath of BOB. You know, the RESPECTED poster on here because someone knows his name, which is, BOB. BOB loves everything don'tcha know! Trololololololololol. [/quote] Lmao |
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[quote]On Aug 28, 2019, kissdadookie wrote: [quote]On Aug 28, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: :rotf: [/quote] How dare you laugh! You are inviting the wrath of BOB. You know, the RESPECTED poster on here because someone knows his name, which is, BOB. BOB loves everything don'tcha know! Trololololololololol. [/quote] Boy, I must have really hit your defensive button. But if you were honest from the beginning in your ranting with Tom, people wouldn't now discredit everything you post. That's what happens when you pretend to be something your not. Sorry Tom exposed you and now all you have left is to lash out when you get an opportunity. Bob |
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| Please stop bickering fellas , life’s way too short Gaz 🙂 |
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Hey guys, I thought I would quickly post as the newest member of the Ellusionist team. I went through this thread from page 1, I know Mark personally and I've recently become acquainted with all the team. There is a few things I want to stress, I don't work with the tech team in Ellusionist, so I cannot talk about/ answer questions when it comes tech, gadgets or any of the fiddly stuff. The team laugh because I don't even know how to flip the camera around on Skype (its been so long since I used it) and I spent the last meeting with the camera facing the wall the entire time. I took it upon myself to post (I wasn't asked by the team and nor do they know that I am going to) I was mentioned in here, so thought it only fair I post. In the last meeting with E this thread was brought up and we are currently going through a few changes with the customer service infrastructure. I can honestly that from sitting in those meetings that customer service is a priority of theirs but its impossible to respond on this forum or social media to all the queries that are being made. I can guarantee that all queries will be answered though if you take any questions you have over to Support@ellusionist.com If you do want to talk to anyone specific you can put that persons name into the email and the email will be directed to that person. There is a dedicated team that answer those emails, remember when you send an email there are other people submitting ideas, trying to reach members of the team and also people who also have queries also and as the team personally go through each email so it might take a bit of time to get back to you but they will you have my word on it. Another thing to take into account, these are normal people like you or I, if they don't get back to you as quick as you want they might be on a different time zone sleeping, travelling or even dealing with a family crises. But they will get back to you. I know it can be frustrating ask things here and not get an answer to a specific questions you have. Send it over there it will be dealt with :D If it is relating to this product specifically, shoot a little second video or photo whatever and attach it in the email. I really hope you guys love some of the positive changes we are making in the coming months over at E we are excited for the future and even more excited to be working more closely with you than we ever have before. Thank you for all the congratulations messages on social media and private messages here :D You guys are the best, you really spur me on to be the most creative that I can be and if it wasn't for you guys I wouldn't be where I am today. Much Love, Pete x P.s How do I change my thumbnail here? Its nearly a decade old! |
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| Keep this one Pete, it’s nostalgic at this point:) |
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| Ah... too late.... |
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| I’m crushed |
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| Hey Pete, thanks for the update. One of the things that bugs me the most is that E won’t show all the reviews that are submitted. It’s been brought up several times in this thread. To me that is just completely outrageous and highly immoral. I cannot trust a company that pretends to allow customers to review their products but then selects which ones are shown and deletes others. What will E do about that? |
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[quote]On Aug 29, 2019, RNK wrote: [quote]On Aug 28, 2019, kissdadookie wrote: [quote]On Aug 28, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: :rotf: [/quote] How dare you laugh! You are inviting the wrath of BOB. You know, the RESPECTED poster on here because someone knows his name, which is, BOB. BOB loves everything don'tcha know! Trololololololololol. [/quote] Boy, I must have really hit your defensive button. But if you were honest from the beginning in your ranting with Tom, people wouldn't now discredit everything you post. That's what happens when you pretend to be something your not. Sorry Tom exposed you and now all you have left is to lash out when you get an opportunity. Bob [/quote] I was totally honest with him. This whole thing with Tom has been entirely one sided. He claims that I was making claims of who I was and what I do yet there's not a single instance where I had made such claims. I even referred him to the firm I'm at but he also wanted me to drop my name or give him my identity so that he could reference me and point to that FU2 thread which clearly is an absolutely ridiculous proposition if all he wanted was to hear it from an actual attorney DIRECTLY about copyright laws, thus this gives me clear indication that he may very well dox me just because he doesn't agree with me (more like he's upset that I didn't agree with him). We can take this to PM if you wish and I can detail exactly what transpired between me and him over PM (I've kept it all). You're the one that chases down my posts on this board to throw insults and slights at me so gtfo with your holier than thou nonsense. 1) I never claimed to be a magic creator or having been published. I even stated that I was not. Somehow even without me ever insinuating that I was, it's somehow me lying about it? How do I lie about such a thing if I never claimed it? It was Tom iirc that made that implication. I left that bit alone more or less. 2) I never claimed to be a attorney. You made that claim. So how can I have lied about it if I never made that claim? 3) With you lying about what I did or did not claim about who and what I do, it's you who is lying about me. Several times now, this is ridiculous and you need to stop. You have a problem with me, take it to PM instead of hounding me on this board like a troll. |
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| I still love ya kissdadookie :) |
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Pete, Congrats on the new gig and for taking the time from your busy schedule to hear our thoughts here on the Café. Of course, being one of the top mentalists in the world today, you knew what we were going to say before any of us typed a letter on our keyboards. :) Looking forward to seeing improvements at E, better product quality and support, less controversy (e.g., the FU2 debacle with Harrison Greenbaum that sullied E's reputation amongst a number of people). Hopefully, with your help and the help of others at E, ya'll (saying this with my Texas accent) can help E push the art forward and be a leader instead of taking three steps back (and causing a furor in the process). P.S. I enjoyed your thinking on numerous products (too many to list), including Chess Guess. Sean |
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| Any news on whether a new device will be produced for this? Even though I’ve returned mine and got the refund, I still check in here hoping to read a new device has been developed! |
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| Same here Ellusionist. I love the innovation of this effect. I just want the device to be more reliable. I would definitely be interested in 2.0 if the improvement was reliable button response. I also got a refund but would buy it again if it was improved. |
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| Need to send mine back, just lazy |
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| This device is ingenious in design and application, if you get the flawless piece. Unfortunately some or many of them from E, seems to be faulty as a result of bad QC. |
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[quote]On Aug 29, 2019, kissdadookie wrote: [quote]On Aug 29, 2019, RNK wrote: [quote]On Aug 28, 2019, kissdadookie wrote: [quote]On Aug 28, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: :rotf: [/quote] How dare you laugh! You are inviting the wrath of BOB. You know, the RESPECTED poster on here because someone knows his name, which is, BOB. BOB loves everything don'tcha know! Trololololololololol. [/quote] Boy, I must have really hit your defensive button. But if you were honest from the beginning in your ranting with Tom, people wouldn't now discredit everything you post. That's what happens when you pretend to be something your not. Sorry Tom exposed you and now all you have left is to lash out when you get an opportunity. Bob [/quote] I was totally honest with him. This whole thing with Tom has been entirely one sided. He claims that I was making claims of who I was and what I do yet there's not a single instance where I had made such claims. I even referred him to the firm I'm at but he also wanted me to drop my name or give him my identity so that he could reference me and point to that FU2 thread which clearly is an absolutely ridiculous proposition if all he wanted was to hear it from an actual attorney DIRECTLY about copyright laws, thus this gives me clear indication that he may very well dox me just because he doesn't agree with me (more like he's upset that I didn't agree with him). We can take this to PM if you wish and I can detail exactly what transpired between me and him over PM (I've kept it all). You're the one that chases down my posts on this board to throw insults and slights at me so gtfo with your holier than thou nonsense. 1) I never claimed to be a magic creator or having been published. I even stated that I was not. Somehow even without me ever insinuating that I was, it's somehow me lying about it? How do I lie about such a thing if I never claimed it? It was Tom iirc that made that implication. I left that bit alone more or less. 2) I never claimed to be a attorney. You made that claim. So how can I have lied about it if I never made that claim? 3) With you lying about what I did or did not claim about who and what I do, it's you who is lying about me. Several times now, this is ridiculous and you need to stop. You have a problem with me, take it to PM instead of hounding me on this board like a troll. [/quote] Dude, you must be delusional. You are the one that posted about me here when I didn't even post. It's in line with your phony lying ways. Your just sour since Tom exposed you as a fraud when you didn't take him up on your OWN offer. Lol. How sad. I guess I would be defensive if I was exposed and backed down from my own offer that I didn't even honor. Though, I wouldn't back down from my own offer in the first place. Now your here polliting this thread. Wow. |
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[quote]On Aug 29, 2019, phanindhra wrote: This device is ingenious in design and application, if you get the flawless piece. Unfortunately some or many of them from E, seems to be faulty as a result of bad QC. [/quote] Yep. Finding a nonfaulty unit is like Stevie Wonder after 12 tequila shots trying to find an unicorn in a booby trapped garden maze. |
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I used the console to type my email to E. In case anyone’s interested, here is an exact transcript; Hsbubb 7gh444 hsydbdj jkdndhkkkkk. Ksndhchc ix is Ibsbdun kkxbdhk Hdhxjnk? Jndnknn mdjdhn kdjckkn. Yudhyb idhdjkd Tjshhg jzhxknf” |
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[quote]On Aug 29, 2019, 252life wrote: I used the console to type my email to E. In case anyone’s interested, here is an exact transcript; Hsbubb 7gh444 hsydbdj jkdndhkkkkk. Ksndhchc ix is Ibsbdun kkxbdhk Hdhxjnk? Jndnknn mdjdhn kdjckkn. Yudhyb idhdjkd Tjshhg jzhxknf” [/quote] 😂 |
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| Hahaha! Thanks for that, Mysterious and 252. You made me laugh out loud. |
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| Agreed very funny comment 😂😂 Gaz |
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[quote]On Aug 29, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: Hey Pete, thanks for the update. One of the things that bugs me the most is that E won’t show all the reviews that are submitted. It’s been brought up several times in this thread. To me that is just completely outrageous and highly immoral. I cannot trust a company that pretends to allow customers to review their products but then selects which ones are shown and deletes others. What will E do about that? [/quote] Hey 'The Unmasked Magician'. Like Amazon, when a user leaves a review, they have to be a verified buyer. This means that they are logged into their account and our back-end ensures that they DO INDEED have the product before their review is accepted. People can leave reviews as a guest, but they are reviewed manually and often not accepted because they're not owners of the product. They're just leaving bad reviews for fun. Maybe you don't, but there are a lot of trolls on the internet, who leave bad reviews because they're unwilling to practice, haven't received the items yet or don't like the company or the look of the product. We had 5, 1 star reviews on the 'Deck Of Cards' product 12 hours after it was released. Literally impossible for anyone to have purchased and received it in that time. This has a detrimental effect on the artist, as they get paid royalties for sales. If someone leaves a review "Just watched the download, haven't received the item yet as I ordered today, but I don't think I like the look of this. 2 stars" then we simply can't accept that. It's like reviewing a movie from the trailer. You have to have the complete package in front of you. Reviews are also automatically not approved for massive use of profanity, or manually not approved for exposure. eg. "I just got this trick. It's a flap. Save your money, because you can make this yourself for $2 if you go to staples and grab X" Some reviewers are reviewing the SECRET, which is a big issue with selling magic. We aren't selling the secret, we're selling what you can achieve to a lay audience using that secret. Some people don't get that and it's not a fair representation of the hard work either we or the artist put into their original offering. EXAMPLE: Here is the kind of review we get. This is from the mystery deck product on our secret menu. Guest reviewer (not logged in) "The bicycle 1800 deck..... Are you kidding me??????? No slow selling, dead stock decks? Only rare and unreleased decks? I am willing to bet you my life savings you havnt sent anyone an "unreleased" deck that ordered this. Just pathetic." - James This was left as a review. However the customer was massively mistaken. The Bicycle 1900 deck that was sent out, was completely NEW, not released and a drastically different tuck, back design (for legal reasons) and faces compared to the old 1800 design. Hence the change of name too. Here's another on Console specifically from 3 days ago..... "1 STAR. Paid $150 for this trick with no instructions. Just sent me the gimmick. Form emails were sent back when I contacted the company." - Daniel (last name begins with L, but I won't give that here) ====== This is the level of misinformation that's spread online. That can't be an approved review on our website. For our sake and Mark's. Console instructions are placed in the users account automatically upon purchase (when the items are in stock, which they are.) We also have it printed IN THE BOX which goes to this link : https://www.ellusionist.com/console-instructions The page says this" If you purchased your console device from Ellusionist, then you already have the instructions that you need in order to learn and use this amazing piece of magic. To view your videos, simply log into your account then go to the MY DOWNLOADS section. There you will see the videos available for you to view. If you purchased the App by itself from the app store, you can still perform the incredible Lottery Routine taught HERE on Magic Stream. Please consider purchasing the Console device to truly unlock the power of our creation. If you believe you should have access to the full download, or the app please contact customer service with your order number and issue and we'll do our best to help you as quickly as we can." The form email he was 'sent' is an auto-responder to say we've received his query and will get back to him within 48 hours. Can you see where we were unable to approve all reviews? It's not that we're trying to hide anything... there's actually a 3 star review on the product page from a buyer. "Nice idea, good app but unfortunately no € currency design for the lottery prediction. What a pity for customers from europe" - Ben (3 stars) He dropped it by 2 whole stars for not being able to do it in Euros. We still approved it. It was true, he bought it, it didn't expose the method etc. I disagree with him, but he's allowed to leave that review (and it was approved) because that's his opinion. Hopefully that shines more light on the review process and how we try to keep it fair. =================== REFUNDS AND RETURNS =================== To address this also, we've only had 18 returned units. This is just over 2%. - Less than the industry average for electronic goods. The magic Café is an echo chamber. The same people post over and over again about the same issues. It's easy to assume here that people are outraged. But overall, the truth is, they're not. "Ellusionist is just faking that number." It's not faked. 13 IOS refunds. 5 Android ones. I logged in and checked..... When people actually contact us officially, we're happy to replace defective units. However, upon US testing those defective units, a significant number of them turned out to be user error. Or the app wasn't functioning on their Apple 3GS phone from 2009. (Even Apple doesn't support this phone now.) ======================= WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE ======================= Button presses seem to be a big issue and we are listening. I've just booked a train ticket for Pete to travel down to Mark's house in London. He's going to film an additional tuition video about troubleshooting problems with Console. This should help users to either fix the way they're using the device, so it's perfect. Or to establish that it IS one of the rare defective units. Either from manufacturing error, or accidental damage in transit / by the user. I wrote a blog on this, some people think it's fun to hate on a big, faceless company, but the 12 members of staff that work here are all people. We take days off, we have vacations (especially those with kids over summer) and we take breaks from NON-official work entities like social media & forums. (It's healthy to do so) I remember earlier on in this thread when someone left a disingenuous comment about how I didn't get back to them. I responded in just over 24 hours on a bank holiday Monday. (Memorial day) and they messaged me the day before (on a Sunday) and expected a response immediately. I don't work Sunday's. When I didn't answer them on that Sunday, their immediate thought was to spread mis-information on this forum about our bad customer service or my 'lack of response'. Context really matters and they'll be some people that will find any reason to specifically hate one person or one company. Regardless of the truth. I've also viewed a lot of comments regarding the lack of case on this. In fact this 5 star review was left on our page yesterday from a buyer. "Just received this in the mail a couple of days ago and I've already got it down and working great. This is probably the best effect I've bought in at least a few years. The remote and the app both work very well and are easy to use. I also just received the Poloroid printer today and it works great. Can't wait to use this with the printer and a card to wallet! Other people were talking about how the console device has no case with exposed components. I figured out a quick fix for this. I used a tiny 1.5X3 ziplock baggy and made it just a little bit longer by taping the end of another bag on the end of it and now it is the perfect size to hold the console device. Now I'm not scared of it braking from water damage or moist hands. Yes it should have been made with a case but I'm not complaining because this is such a great effect and is easy to do and everything works beautifully. There were a couple bugs in the app when I first received this. I emailed the support team and the developer of the app was very quick to address these issues and get them fixed the day after I reported this. I would like to thank the E team for having such awesome customer service. Overall this is one of the best purchases I've bought from Ellusionist. Highly Recommended!!!" - Jamie Day. (5 stars) This has been addressed by Mark, but we're going to include it in the download. All Console devices have been specially coated so that contact points won't be affected by sweaty or moist hands. It's completely safe to use, without a casing. Hope that helps and we're here to answer any questions. But it's impossible to do a full-time job, travel around the world to conventions, make time for family and respond to every single person/post on this thread. That's why we have support@ellusionist.com as an official channel. EVERYTHING sent there get's answered / read. I know this new troubleshooting video from Mark & Pete will really help to answer any other queries and that's our top priority for next week. Have a great weekend guys & gals, - G |
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[quote]On Aug 30, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote: The magic Café is an echo chamber. The same people post over and over again about the same issues. It's easy to assume here that people are outraged. But overall, the truth is, they're not. "Ellusionist is just faking that number." It's not faked. 13 IOS refunds. 5 Android ones. I logged in and checked..... When people actually contact us officially, we're happy to replace defective units. However, upon US testing those defective units, a significant number of them turned out to be user error. Or the app wasn't functioning on their Apple 3GS phone from 2009. (Even Apple doesn't support this phone now.) ======================= WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE ======================= Button presses seem to be a big issue and we are listening. I've just booked a train ticket for Pete to travel down to Mark's house in London. He's going to film an additional tuition video about troubleshooting problems with Console. This should help users to either fix the way they're using the device, so it's perfect. Or to establish that it IS one of the rare defective units. Either from manufacturing error, or accidental damage in transit / by the user. I wrote a blog on this, some people think it's fun to hate on a big, faceless company, but the 12 members of staff that work here are all people. We take days off, we have vacations (especially those with kids over summer) and we take breaks from NON-official work entities like social media & forums. (It's healthy to do so) I remember earlier on in this thread when someone left a disingenuous comment about how I didn't get back to them. I responded in just over 24 hours on a bank holiday Monday. (Memorial day) and they messaged me the day before (on a Sunday) and expected a response immediately. I don't work Sunday's. When I didn't answer them on that Sunday, their immediate thought was to spread mis-information on this forum about our bad customer service or my 'lack of response'. Context really matters and they'll be some people that will find any reason to specifically hate one person or one company. Regardless of the truth. I've also viewed a lot of comments regarding the lack of case on this. In fact this 5 star review was left on our page yesterday from a buyer. I know this new troubleshooting video from Mark & Pete will really help to answer any other queries and that's our top priority for next week. Have a great weekend guys & gals, - G [/quote] Interesting post G. The Café is an echo chamber.... I found that statement very interesting.. I don't think people are outraged about Console, they are just wishing for a better input device. They want an input device that doesn't have button issues. I am not quite sure things are as smooth as you make it sound with Console. Assuming the returns may be low as you stated, it amazes me that a significant amount of these returns happen to be folks participating in this thread. I am hardpressed (and I have been here on the Café for 14 years) to see a group think mentality where people who actually bought a product returns it due to the comments of others. There are deeper reasons that hopefully y'all successfully address sooner than later. I appreciate you chiming in. From the examples you gave, sounds like a small contingent of your customers are real divas. Too bad you cannot let go of those small number of customers (sometimes you sever your business relationship with troublemakers if possible in order to attract better clientele that are easier to manage). Good luck in your future releases and with Console. |
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Plus, I suspect many people are like me that just don’t get around to returning products. Even some expensive ones end up in the junk cabinet. I wanted this to be reliable, and was quite the advocate initially, but that’s not the case anymore. I use, and really like, the lottery effect. For me that still justifies the purchase. I do wish the console was consistent and reliable, but it isn’t. |
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| I agree with 252life E are forgetting half the people who just don’t bother complaining and just accept it as one of those things and indeed stick it in the junk drawer . Meaning those reviews good and negative end up levelling themselves out and are infact a fair reflection generally Gaz 🙂 |
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| This is my experience generally with magic and not just with E by the way Gaz 🙂 |
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[quote]On Aug 31, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote: I agree with 252life E are forgetting half the people who just don’t bother complaining and just accept it as one of those things and indeed stick it in the junk drawer . Meaning those reviews good and negative end up levelling themselves out and are infact a fair reflection generally Gaz 🙂 [/quote] We have a 60 day money back guarantee on Console. I feel like this troubleshooting video from Mark and Pete (being filmed tomorrow) will help a lot of users. Something bought for this much money should never end up in the magic junk drawer. - G |
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[quote]On Sep 1, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote: [quote]On Aug 31, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote: I agree with 252life E are forgetting half the people who just don’t bother complaining and just accept it as one of those things and indeed stick it in the junk drawer . Meaning those reviews good and negative end up levelling themselves out and are infact a fair reflection generally Gaz 🙂 [/quote] We have a 60 day money back guarantee on Console. I feel like this troubleshooting video from Mark and Pete (being filmed tomorrow) will help a lot of users. Something bought for this much money should never end up in the magic junk drawer. - G [/quote] Looking forward to it! Marc is a very helpful and nice guy. Regarding the missing housing I have to disagree. For the price its being sold a professional housing would have been absolutely viable. A coated but nearly open PCB board is not the best option there is. My unit works but it still feels like a prototyp to me. The console app could have been opened up to all sorts of exsisting bluetooth remotes! Without any problem. But it’s more profitable to sell a 99$ remote I guess. Ive had two defective Decibel units in the past myself: my opinion is that Ellusionist has a high tendency to rush products to the market. |
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[quote]On Aug 29, 2019, RNK wrote: [quote]On Aug 29, 2019, kissdadookie wrote: [quote]On Aug 29, 2019, RNK wrote: [quote]On Aug 28, 2019, kissdadookie wrote: [quote]On Aug 28, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: :rotf: [/quote] How dare you laugh! You are inviting the wrath of BOB. You know, the RESPECTED poster on here because someone knows his name, which is, BOB. BOB loves everything don'tcha know! Trololololololololol. [/quote] Boy, I must have really hit your defensive button. But if you were honest from the beginning in your ranting with Tom, people wouldn't now discredit everything you post. That's what happens when you pretend to be something your not. Sorry Tom exposed you and now all you have left is to lash out when you get an opportunity. Bob [/quote] I was totally honest with him. This whole thing with Tom has been entirely one sided. He claims that I was making claims of who I was and what I do yet there's not a single instance where I had made such claims. I even referred him to the firm I'm at but he also wanted me to drop my name or give him my identity so that he could reference me and point to that FU2 thread which clearly is an absolutely ridiculous proposition if all he wanted was to hear it from an actual attorney DIRECTLY about copyright laws, thus this gives me clear indication that he may very well dox me just because he doesn't agree with me (more like he's upset that I didn't agree with him). We can take this to PM if you wish and I can detail exactly what transpired between me and him over PM (I've kept it all). You're the one that chases down my posts on this board to throw insults and slights at me so gtfo with your holier than thou nonsense. 1) I never claimed to be a magic creator or having been published. I even stated that I was not. Somehow even without me ever insinuating that I was, it's somehow me lying about it? How do I lie about such a thing if I never claimed it? It was Tom iirc that made that implication. I left that bit alone more or less. 2) I never claimed to be a attorney. You made that claim. So how can I have lied about it if I never made that claim? 3) With you lying about what I did or did not claim about who and what I do, it's you who is lying about me. Several times now, this is ridiculous and you need to stop. You have a problem with me, take it to PM instead of hounding me on this board like a troll. [/quote] Dude, you must be delusional. You are the one that posted about me here when I didn't even post. It's in line with your phony lying ways. Your just sour since Tom exposed you as a fraud when you didn't take him up on your OWN offer. Lol. How sad. I guess I would be defensive if I was exposed and backed down from my own offer that I didn't even honor. Though, I wouldn't back down from my own offer in the first place. Now your here polliting this thread. Wow. [/quote] Why are you hiding behind Tom by the way? Just because he knows your name is Bob and sided with you because he disagrees with me, that's actually very sad. Also, you claim that I'm lying, though you don't specify what I'm lying about nor have you referenced where I have lied about ANYTHING. So again, you're making allegations without substantiation. Now, take it to PM. You want to bicker and what not, take it to PM. |
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[quote]On Aug 31, 2019, 252life wrote: Plus, I suspect many people are like me that just don’t get around to returning products. Even some expensive ones end up in the junk cabinet. I wanted this to be reliable, and was quite the advocate initially, but that’s not the case anymore. I use, and really like, the lottery effect. For me that still justifies the purchase. I do wish the console was consistent and reliable, but it isn’t. [/quote] Does the lottery effect work for U.K. customers are you aware? I can’t remember the negatives, although I know there were a few. |
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[quote]On Sep 4, 2019, pegasus wrote: [quote]On Aug 31, 2019, 252life wrote: Plus, I suspect many people are like me that just don’t get around to returning products. Even some expensive ones end up in the junk cabinet. I wanted this to be reliable, and was quite the advocate initially, but that’s not the case anymore. I use, and really like, the lottery effect. For me that still justifies the purchase. I do wish the console was consistent and reliable, but it isn’t. [/quote] Does the lottery effect work for U.K. customers are you aware? I can’t remember the negatives, although I know there were a few. [/quote] I really rate The Lottery app have had no problem at all with it, but I noticed someone posted today that the millionaire numbers are no longer printed on the real tickets so the app needs an update |
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[quote]On Sep 4, 2019, pegasus wrote: [quote]On Aug 31, 2019, 252life wrote: Plus, I suspect many people are like me that just don’t get around to returning products. Even some expensive ones end up in the junk cabinet. I wanted this to be reliable, and was quite the advocate initially, but that’s not the case anymore. I use, and really like, the lottery effect. For me that still justifies the purchase. I do wish the console was consistent and reliable, but it isn’t. [/quote] Does the lottery effect work for U.K. customers are you aware? I can’t remember the negatives, although I know there were a few. [/quote] Hey Pegasus, it’s a US ticket, but I’ve never had anyone examine that part of it. They get so sucked in by the numbers it doesn’t seem to matter. Your mileage may vary, but I think it’s probably a non issue. Great effect. Be surprised if you didn’t really appreciate it after mud testing it. Justified the entire purchase for me. |
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| There is a British lottery ticket you don’t have to use the US one |
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| There ya go! :) |
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[quote]On Sep 4, 2019, cardbiker wrote: There is a British lottery ticket you don’t have to use the US one [/quote] I thought so after watching the demo again. It definitely looked like a U.K. version, plus the demo was deffo shot here too. Can’t believe 252life hasn’t cottoned on. Lol. Bit pricey at 100 Bucks though. |
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| Pegasus, in my defense, marijuana is legal where I live. |
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[quote]On Sep 5, 2019, 252life wrote: Pegasus, in my defense, marijuana is legal where I live. [/quote] Holland? You’re obviously not English (defense) |
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| I mentioned a mind altering substance. That’s the ultimate out. |
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| USA though :) |
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[quote]On Sep 5, 2019, 252life wrote: Pegasus, in my defense, marijuana is legal where I live. [/quote] Best post this month. :lol: |
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[quote]On Sep 5, 2019, pegasus wrote: [quote]On Sep 5, 2019, 252life wrote: Pegasus, in my defense, marijuana is legal where I live. [/quote] Holland? You’re obviously not English (defense) [/quote] I find that offensive. Characterizing Holland as “that country where everyone can buy and use marijuana legally” sells us short. Because you can also legally smoke hash. 😎 |
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| Https://ibb.co/K7pLwd8 |
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[quote]On Sep 5, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: [quote]On Sep 5, 2019, pegasus wrote: [quote]On Sep 5, 2019, 252life wrote: Pegasus, in my defense, marijuana is legal where I live. [/quote] Holland? You’re obviously not English (defense) [/quote] I find that offensive. Characterizing Holland as “that country where everyone can buy and use marijuana legally” sells us short. Because you can also legally smoke hash. 😎 [/quote] Don't forget the magic truffles. |
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| That’s it. I’m moving:) |
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[quote]On Sep 5, 2019, 252life wrote: Https://ibb.co/K7pLwd8 [/quote] That was a misfire, sorry folks.. |
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| Don’t worry. You already explained why that happens. |
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[quote]On Sep 5, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: [quote]On Sep 5, 2019, pegasus wrote: [quote]On Sep 5, 2019, 252life wrote: Pegasus, in my defense, marijuana is legal where I live. [/quote] Holland? You’re obviously not English (defense) [/quote] I find that offensive. Characterizing Holland as “that country where everyone can buy and use marijuana legally” sells us short. Because you can also legally smoke hash. 😎 [/quote] I’m in Oosterbeek in a couple of weeks time. Are you nearby? I won’t be smoking Ganja though. Just drinking your very strong beer. |
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| Oosterbeek! That’s about 90 mins drive from where I live. Are you coming to Amsterdam by any chance? Would be nice to meet up. And brainstorm to find a new way to wind up RNK. I just spilled the beans on my true identity in another thread, so the Karl M joke is not going to work anymore. |
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| I know. Just read it. I should never have mentioned Karl M. Lol. He was a funny, but fictitious character here. I’m driving from Calais direct to Arnhem unfortunately. |
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| Ah, ok. Keep me posted, please. Perhaps I can arrange smth. Meanwhile, make sure once you’re here you load up on food and clothes and other stuff that you won’t have anymore after the Brexit. |
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[quote]On Sep 5, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: Don’t worry. You already explained why that happens. [/quote] Lmfao touché |
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[quote]On Aug 30, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote: [quote]On Aug 29, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: Hey Pete, thanks for the update. One of the things that bugs me the most is that E won’t show all the reviews that are submitted. It’s been brought up several times in this thread. To me that is just completely outrageous and highly immoral. I cannot trust a company that pretends to allow customers to review their products but then selects which ones are shown and deletes others. What will E do about that? [/quote] Hey 'The Unmasked Magician'. Like Amazon, when a user leaves a review, they have to be a verified buyer. This means that they are logged into their account and our back-end ensures that they DO INDEED have the product before their review is accepted. People can leave reviews as a guest, but they are reviewed manually and often not accepted because they're not owners of the product. They're just leaving bad reviews for fun. Maybe you don't, but there are a lot of trolls on the internet, who leave bad reviews because they're unwilling to practice, haven't received the items yet or don't like the company or the look of the product. We had 5, 1 star reviews on the 'Deck Of Cards' product 12 hours after it was released. Literally impossible for anyone to have purchased and received it in that time. This has a detrimental effect on the artist, as they get paid royalties for sales. If someone leaves a review "Just watched the download, haven't received the item yet as I ordered today, but I don't think I like the look of this. 2 stars" then we simply can't accept that. It's like reviewing a movie from the trailer. You have to have the complete package in front of you. Reviews are also automatically not approved for massive use of profanity, or manually not approved for exposure. eg. "I just got this trick. It's a flap. Save your money, because you can make this yourself for $2 if you go to staples and grab X" Some reviewers are reviewing the SECRET, which is a big issue with selling magic. We aren't selling the secret, we're selling what you can achieve to a lay audience using that secret. Some people don't get that and it's not a fair representation of the hard work either we or the artist put into their original offering. EXAMPLE: Here is the kind of review we get. This is from the mystery deck product on our secret menu. Guest reviewer (not logged in) "The bicycle 1800 deck..... Are you kidding me??????? No slow selling, dead stock decks? Only rare and unreleased decks? I am willing to bet you my life savings you havnt sent anyone an "unreleased" deck that ordered this. Just pathetic." - James This was left as a review. However the customer was massively mistaken. The Bicycle 1900 deck that was sent out, was completely NEW, not released and a drastically different tuck, back design (for legal reasons) and faces compared to the old 1800 design. Hence the change of name too. Here's another on Console specifically from 3 days ago..... "1 STAR. Paid $150 for this trick with no instructions. Just sent me the gimmick. Form emails were sent back when I contacted the company." - Daniel (last name begins with L, but I won't give that here) ====== This is the level of misinformation that's spread online. That can't be an approved review on our website. For our sake and Mark's. Console instructions are placed in the users account automatically upon purchase (when the items are in stock, which they are.) We also have it printed IN THE BOX which goes to this link : https://www.ellusionist.com/console-instructions The page says this" If you purchased your console device from Ellusionist, then you already have the instructions that you need in order to learn and use this amazing piece of magic. To view your videos, simply log into your account then go to the MY DOWNLOADS section. There you will see the videos available for you to view. If you purchased the App by itself from the app store, you can still perform the incredible Lottery Routine taught HERE on Magic Stream. Please consider purchasing the Console device to truly unlock the power of our creation. If you believe you should have access to the full download, or the app please contact customer service with your order number and issue and we'll do our best to help you as quickly as we can." The form email he was 'sent' is an auto-responder to say we've received his query and will get back to him within 48 hours. Can you see where we were unable to approve all reviews? It's not that we're trying to hide anything... there's actually a 3 star review on the product page from a buyer. "Nice idea, good app but unfortunately no € currency design for the lottery prediction. What a pity for customers from europe" - Ben (3 stars) He dropped it by 2 whole stars for not being able to do it in Euros. We still approved it. It was true, he bought it, it didn't expose the method etc. I disagree with him, but he's allowed to leave that review (and it was approved) because that's his opinion. Hopefully that shines more light on the review process and how we try to keep it fair. =================== REFUNDS AND RETURNS =================== To address this also, we've only had 18 returned units. This is just over 2%. - Less than the industry average for electronic goods. The magic Café is an echo chamber. The same people post over and over again about the same issues. It's easy to assume here that people are outraged. But overall, the truth is, they're not. "Ellusionist is just faking that number." It's not faked. 13 IOS refunds. 5 Android ones. I logged in and checked..... When people actually contact us officially, we're happy to replace defective units. However, upon US testing those defective units, a significant number of them turned out to be user error. Or the app wasn't functioning on their Apple 3GS phone from 2009. (Even Apple doesn't support this phone now.) ======================= WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE ======================= Button presses seem to be a big issue and we are listening. I've just booked a train ticket for Pete to travel down to Mark's house in London. He's going to film an additional tuition video about troubleshooting problems with Console. This should help users to either fix the way they're using the device, so it's perfect. Or to establish that it IS one of the rare defective units. Either from manufacturing error, or accidental damage in transit / by the user. I wrote a blog on this, some people think it's fun to hate on a big, faceless company, but the 12 members of staff that work here are all people. We take days off, we have vacations (especially those with kids over summer) and we take breaks from NON-official work entities like social media & forums. (It's healthy to do so) I remember earlier on in this thread when someone left a disingenuous comment about how I didn't get back to them. I responded in just over 24 hours on a bank holiday Monday. (Memorial day) and they messaged me the day before (on a Sunday) and expected a response immediately. I don't work Sunday's. When I didn't answer them on that Sunday, their immediate thought was to spread mis-information on this forum about our bad customer service or my 'lack of response'. Context really matters and they'll be some people that will find any reason to specifically hate one person or one company. Regardless of the truth. I've also viewed a lot of comments regarding the lack of case on this. In fact this 5 star review was left on our page yesterday from a buyer. "Just received this in the mail a couple of days ago and I've already got it down and working great. This is probably the best effect I've bought in at least a few years. The remote and the app both work very well and are easy to use. I also just received the Poloroid printer today and it works great. Can't wait to use this with the printer and a card to wallet! Other people were talking about how the console device has no case with exposed components. I figured out a quick fix for this. I used a tiny 1.5X3 ziplock baggy and made it just a little bit longer by taping the end of another bag on the end of it and now it is the perfect size to hold the console device. Now I'm not scared of it braking from water damage or moist hands. Yes it should have been made with a case but I'm not complaining because this is such a great effect and is easy to do and everything works beautifully. There were a couple bugs in the app when I first received this. I emailed the support team and the developer of the app was very quick to address these issues and get them fixed the day after I reported this. I would like to thank the E team for having such awesome customer service. Overall this is one of the best purchases I've bought from Ellusionist. Highly Recommended!!!" - Jamie Day. (5 stars) This has been addressed by Mark, but we're going to include it in the download. All Console devices have been specially coated so that contact points won't be affected by sweaty or moist hands. It's completely safe to use, without a casing. Hope that helps and we're here to answer any questions. But it's impossible to do a full-time job, travel around the world to conventions, make time for family and respond to every single person/post on this thread. That's why we have support@ellusionist.com as an official channel. EVERYTHING sent there get's answered / read. I know this new troubleshooting video from Mark & Pete will really help to answer any other queries and that's our top priority for next week. Have a great weekend guys & gals, - G [/quote] Well, I’m not a verified buyer yet though Ellusionist. I bought my device from Mark personally. But yet my review is on the site. Which was a positive one at that time. Of course this next part is just my opinion. When you mentioned Incase someone were to get a “RARE” defective product, well it appears that in the fb group and the Café are mostly people who have purchased the “rare” defective product. Doesn’t sound so rare in my opinion. Sorry for not word by wording it. As one of many customers who have made several complaints and recommendations on the product ( including the app ) after purchasing it, it does not look or feel like any of our criticism or recommendations have been taken into account. And if silence is accountability, then I’d make another recommendation to have someone speak more often to us purchasers about the products issues we’ve addressed. And Mr Turner, what a great addition to the team you will be my friend. I appreciate you taking some time and touching up in this subject. I understand that we on the outside of those meetings don’t know the context. Or have any knowledge of the directions E. plans on taking. Regardless, you’re a real gift to magic. And I hope to observably see the differences and changes that’s scheduled to take place. |
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[quote]On Sep 5, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote: Well, I’m not a verified buyer yet though Ellusionist. I bought my device from Mark personally. But yet my review is on the site. Which was a positive one at that time. Of course this next part is just my opinion. When you mentioned Incase someone were to get a “RARE” defective product, well it appears that in the fb group and the Café are mostly people who have purchased the “rare” defective product. Doesn’t sound so rare in my opinion. Sorry for not word by wording it. As one of many customers who have made several complaints and recommendations on the product ( including the app ) after purchasing it, it does not look or feel like any of our criticism or recommendations have been taken into account. And if silence is accountability, then I’d make another recommendation to have someone speak more often to us purchasers about the products issues we’ve addressed. And Mr Turner, what a great addition to the team you will be my friend. I appreciate you taking some time and touching up in this subject. I understand that we on the outside of those meetings don’t know the context. Or have any knowledge of the directions E. plans on taking. Regardless, you’re a real gift to magic. And I hope to observably see the differences and changes that’s scheduled to take place. [/quote] Eloquently put Lonnie. If you are reading these posts Geraint or Peter (or anyone else from E), please keep in mind that this comment is from a magician that "went to bat" about this product, showed excitement, and later tremendous patience and restraint. In reading his posts, he REALLY wanted the Console app and device to work as advertised. Once again, I have never seen a group think mentality here at the Café where people return a product because others here pressured someone online and I have been here for 14 years. I have never seen that in the private Facebook groups I belong to for products and books I have purchased as well. I constantly see FOMO here, but not the fear of people's opinions for owning a product already purchased. If there is someone you can conduct a lessons learned session with to discuss the customer experience vs. product related issues, Lonnie is your man! |
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[quote]On Sep 5, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: Ah, ok. Keep me posted, please. Perhaps I can arrange smth. Meanwhile, make sure once you’re here you load up on food and clothes and other stuff that you won’t have anymore after the Brexit. [/quote] Haha. It’s you that should be concerned. |
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| I have to admit I’m a little worried that me and other Europeans will be charged extra at Blackpool this year. :lol: |
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[quote]On Sep 6, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: I have to admit I’m a little worried that me and other Europeans will be charged extra at Blackpool this year. :lol: [/quote] Really??!!!!! I wouldn't worry if I were you ..... You may not even be allowed in the country lol :) You could try sneaking in through the doorstop though I suppose |
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| Whoops auto incorrect at work - it should be backstop, not doorstop. |
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| If anyone tries to stop me at the border ... I will show them FU2. :rotf: |
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[quote]On May 24, 2019, Ramon M wrote: I recently had some bad experience with Ellusionist, package getting lost, unclear communication, months of needing to write to them over and over again asking what is wrong. Finally I cancelled the order, they payed me back, but of course not shipping costs, etc. Because of that I will not buy from them anymore, at least not anything that has to be shipped to Europe. I like some of their products, so it's a pity, but the trust is gone. Which is pretty important when buying something which is already often partly unclear to begin with. [/quote] I know that the discussion has moved on.... however if there are Ellusonist items you like the look of check-in with PropDog - as they sell a bunch of the Eliusonsist items. |
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| Propdog is really good. I received my order pretty quickly (in about 2 weeks time if memory serves me right.) That is really quick considering the items were shipped to Texas from the UK and go through customs. |
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| I never had any issues with Ellusionist. |
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| Ah. A unicorn. :lol: |
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The videos are shot and edited :D I just need to get them sent over to Ellusionist now! It was eye opening for me :D great device I jammed with Mark and added a few ideas :D Pete x |
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[quote]On Sep 6, 2019, The Mysterious One wrote: Propdog is really good. I received my order pretty quickly (in about 2 weeks time if memory serves me right.) That is really quick considering the items were shipped to Texas from the UK and go through customs. [/quote] Yes, I agree always great and fast service from Propdog!! |