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Last year at MagicLive we got Tobias showing his newest creation to many magicians. The response has been enormous. We have been trying hard to keep this as quiet as possible even though so many people have seen it live and they can't wait to get Silhouette in their hands. This is easily the best and most original effect I have seen in a very long time. I hope the video won't upset you as it's only a reaction video of many famous magicians seeing the effect live. I promise you that you will get all the information this Friday the 7th of June and you will start realizing what those people have witnessed. [youtube]noESRsHoYg8[/youtube] Best regards, Titanas |
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| Cool, been waiting for this to show up. |
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| Wow. I have never known so many endorsements by so many top magicians. Take my money. |
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Consider me hyped. If curious, I think this video on Tobias' FB feed may have something to do with this release: https://www.facebook.com/martin.kwade/videos/pcb.2234057849938571/2234057773271912/?type=3&theater |
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| This thing is awesome will write a review as soon as it's revealed. Its one of the best thing I saw this year also its fresh and unique. :) |
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| Have no clue what this is but it reminds me of Morgan strebler’s Shadow trick from his lecture. Just a guess...I’m hyped, just wanna know my wallet can handle it 🤪 |
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| MagicBrent beat me to it. I immediately thought of Strebler's effect ... |
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Not even close :) You guys are in for a treat! Best regards, Titanas |
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Absolutely love this! Can't wait for my one!!! Available to order from this friday Hope this helps Dominic |
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| Hope its a worker and easy to carry taking no pocket space ,think this could be amazing |
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[quote]On Jun 5, 2019, MF Tom wrote: This thing is awesome will write a review as soon as it's revealed. Its one of the best thing I saw this year also its fresh and unique. :) [/quote] Actually, I think you just wrote a review. :) |
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| This looks so good. I give it my Highest recommendation. |
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| Wow! I just watched the video trailer placed by MoM from Murphy's and this looks insane! I'm really looking forward for this release! |
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[quote]On Jun 5, 2019, FADE wrote: Wow! I just watched the video trailer placed by MoM from Murphy's and this looks insane! I'm really looking forward for this release! [/quote] Where did you find this. |
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| Can anyone describe what the effect is? Or we all waiting until Friday? |
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| Will this work close up? What about lighting conditions? |
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| Whats the effect ? |
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| What’s the price point we’re looking at? |
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| ...Is it Friday yet? |
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[quote]On Jun 6, 2019, Hudson Lee wrote: ...Is it Friday yet? [/quote] My feelings/thoughts exactly. |
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| The Cure wrote a song for this release! https://youtu.be/tJ4b99-aujI |
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Do we know what type of routine this is? Cards, coins, app, propless, etc |
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[quote]On Jun 6, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: The Cure wrote a song for this release! https://youtu.be/tJ4b99-aujI [/quote] Haha ;) https://youtu.be/4QwBmStwK2w |
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[quote]On Jun 5, 2019, Titanas wrote: ... I hope the video won't upset you as it's only a reaction video of many famous magicians seeing the effect live... Best regards, Titanas [/quote] I think someone saw the reactions to the promo for Console :rotf: |
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[quote]On Jun 6, 2019, scott0819 wrote: https://youtu.be/4QwBmStwK2w [/quote] LOL! |
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[quote]On Jun 6, 2019, Sethekk wrote: Do we know what type of routine this is? Cards, coins, app, propless, etc [/quote] Looks like it has something to do with shadow manipulation? If it’s practical, and even relatively affordable, consider me in! |
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Is it better than hole in the head by Ben Harris? :rotf: That was advertised in pretty much the same way. |
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It is awesome. Saw it from Tobias himself. All endorsements in the teaser are well deserved. Counting the minutes to the release myself. Bring it on Murphys! :) |
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| What is it exactly? Download - gimmicks or both. |
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| I am just keen to find out what it is , it’s D day today and it was D day yesterday too Gaz 🙂 |
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Just seen this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=baqHr5FZJY0 The actual trailer... enjoy! |
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Wow this looks amazing! I especially like the ones where the shadow steals an object! Very cool! Sleepy |
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| Enough! Take my money now! I really feel childlike wonder of why I enjoy magic. Love it! |
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| Looks great! |
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[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, pegasus wrote: What is it exactly? Download - gimmicks or both. [/quote] Looks very cool! I am thinking it's something you hold in front of your phone. Looks like that is what he is doing in the demo anyway. Who knows! Though we should know soon! Looks like there is a lot of credited performers who like it. Haven't heard much lately from Richard Sanders and to put his endorsement on this is encouraging... |
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[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, RNK wrote: [quote]On Jun 7, 2019, pegasus wrote: What is it exactly? Download - gimmicks or both. [/quote] Looks very cool! I am thinking it's something you hold in front of your phone. Looks like that is what he is doing in the demo anyway. Who knows! Though we should know soon! Looks like there is a lot of credited performers who like it. Haven't heard much lately from Richard Sanders and to put his endorsement on this is encouraging... [/quote] With those endorsements this better be good! |
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| Looks like Andrew mayne's ghost vision a little bit... |
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This looks stunning, imagination really is the limit. Any word on a release date ? |
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This is insane. I need this MP |
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| Wow impressive! This has my attention! |
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| Wonder if a “wallet style” phone case is required to conceal/work the gimmick? |
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| Looks great! Very creative! :applause: |
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Not sure if anyone else saw this in the description of the video.. but some details on the trick : With Silhouette, you have ultimate control over the realm of shadows. You can take a shadow and pluck it into reality. You can freeze your shadow in time. You can form shadows from things that don't exist. You can steal your spectator's shadow. You can even create a misbehaving shadow that snatches objects from your very hands (sometimes it'll even tickle you). Your shadows can be lighthearted, downright mischievous, or simply unexplainable, you decide. What you receive: The ability to create and manipulate 12 unique shadows Nearly an hour's worth of in-depth explanation from Tobias Dostal 12 routines and ideas included to get you started, but the possibilities are limitless once you see the gimmick! Any smart phone can be used as a light source Can be done with a borrowed phone Phone is never rigged Resets instantly Packs small plays big Stealthy and quiet Perfect for magicians, mentalists, and even mediums Shadows are compatible with all countries worldwide Shadows can be yours or even borrowed This is more than just an illusion, this is a new genre of magic. This is Silhouette. |
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I think the borrowed shadow holding their finger is amazing. Some of the hand choking you bits and microphone with a hand holding it is a bit too much for me. |
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| Purchase link? Purchase link? I’m dying here! Who do I throw money at? |
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[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, IAIN wrote: Looks like Andrew mayne's ghost vision a little bit... [/quote] I believe it is exactly the same gimmick. |
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Yeah, brings to mind Andre Mayne's Ghost Vision (which I love and use on women in dark alleyways every opportunity I get). I may buy this. I think Mr. Dostal plays it too fast, too choppy. I'm envisioning some really slow, letting the shadow blur into focus, spooky stuff with this. I hope the concept is robust enough to get very creative with it. |
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I hope it's been improved, cos the ghost vision gimmicks were as basic as can be .. No bad thing, but maybe this has something different to it... |
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| Agreed. Improved version of ghost vision. It’ll be interesting to see how the gimmick(s) adapt to the many different phones out there in relation to flash positioning. |
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[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, IAIN wrote: I hope it's been improved, cos the ghost vision gimmicks were as basic as can be .. No bad thing, but maybe this has something different to it... [/quote] Probably same principle but this effect looks like a quantum leap from the ghost vision gimmicks. He is getting sharp shadows that he is able to maneuver with some precision and fast. Looks like comparing a hot air balloon to a fighter jet in results. Who knows? Look forward to seeing some reputable reviews. |
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| I'd hope it would be some kind of wearable, as they say it can be done with a borrowed phone... Maybe a ring like device that you can alter... |
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| Do we know the price yet? |
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| Waiting: :napping: |
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| Waiting to buyyyyyy :) |
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[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, Jed Maxwell wrote: [quote]On Jun 7, 2019, IAIN wrote: I hope it's been improved, cos the ghost vision gimmicks were as basic as can be .. No bad thing, but maybe this has something different to it... [/quote] Probably same principle but this effect looks like a quantum leap from the ghost vision gimmicks. He is getting sharp shadows that he is able to maneuver with some precision and fast. Looks like comparing a hot air balloon to a fighter jet in results. Who knows? Look forward to seeing some reputable reviews. [/quote] The manoeuvre precision part is accomplished by the movement of the phone, nothing else. |
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[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, pegasus wrote: The manoeuvre precision part is accomplished by the movement of the phone, nothing else. [/quote] That makes sense. |
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Soon will all be revealed guys. Pegasus, you are far away from the method. If you can make objects animate to a hand like the rose (hand comes with a rose, real hand takes the rose and the shadow hand is empty now, or the one with the card or the glasses) if you can do that by just moving your phone I would like to see it :) As I said you guys are in for a treat. This is literally the best thing I have seen and Tobias is a genius, I know it sounds like hype, but all I am asking is a few hours before you guys get all the info. Best regards, Titanas |
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While I typically use my phone without a case, I'll certainly add one for this... Previously linked trailer seems to be gone, but here's another link to a full trailer that's been posted. Interested to see what pricing looks like and how different phone sizes will be handled if indeed the case is part of it (which from the trailer would surely appear to be true). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyoxumPRLlQ |
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[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, pegasus wrote: [quote]On Jun 7, 2019, IAIN wrote: Looks like Andrew mayne's ghost vision a little bit... [/quote] I believe it is exactly the same gimmick. [/quote] I own Ghost Vision and Silhouette is far more and far more creative. When it will be released Titanas? |
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[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, JasonL2112 wrote: While I typically use my phone without a case, I'll certainly add one for this... Previously linked trailer seems to be gone, but here's another link to a full trailer that's been posted. Interested to see what pricing looks like and how different phone sizes will be handled if indeed the case is part of it (which from the trailer would surely appear to be true). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyoxumPRLlQ [/quote] This link is now dead too! who keeps pulling them? or is it just a marketing ploy to get everyone into a feeding frenzy |
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Well, that escalated quickly. [quote]On Jun 7, 2019, lunatik wrote: [quote]On Jun 7, 2019, JasonL2112 wrote: While I typically use my phone without a case, I'll certainly add one for this... Previously linked trailer seems to be gone, but here's another link to a full trailer that's been posted. Interested to see what pricing looks like and how different phone sizes will be handled if indeed the case is part of it (which from the trailer would surely appear to be true). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyoxumPRLlQ [/quote] This link is now dead too! who keeps pulling them? or is it just a marketing ploy to get everyone into a feeding frenzy [/quote] |
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[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, lunatik wrote: [quote]On Jun 7, 2019, JasonL2112 wrote: While I typically use my phone without a case, I'll certainly add one for this... Previously linked trailer seems to be gone, but here's another link to a full trailer that's been posted. Interested to see what pricing looks like and how different phone sizes will be handled if indeed the case is part of it (which from the trailer would surely appear to be true). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyoxumPRLlQ [/quote] This link is now dead too! who keeps pulling them? or is it just a marketing ploy to get everyone into a feeding frenzy [/quote] They're chumming the waters with YouTube clips! "We're gonna need a bigger thumb tip." |
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| On Instagram they said noon pacific time, so 34 minutes-ish to go. |
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[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, ArtIn wrote: [quote]On Jun 7, 2019, pegasus wrote: [quote]On Jun 7, 2019, IAIN wrote: Looks like Andrew mayne's ghost vision a little bit... [/quote] I believe it is exactly the same gimmick. [/quote] I own Ghost Vision and Silhouette is far more and far more creative. When it will be released Titanas? [/quote] In 25 minutes from now :) Best regards, Titanas |
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[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, Titanas wrote: Soon will all be revealed guys. Pegasus, you are far away from the method. If you can make objects animate to a hand like the rose (hand comes with a rose, real hand takes the rose and the shadow hand is empty now, or the one with the card or the glasses) if you can do that by just moving your phone I would like to see it :) As I said you guys are in for a treat. This is literally the best thing I have seen and Tobias is a genius, I know it sounds like hype, but all I am asking is a few hours before you guys get all the info. Best regards, Titanas [/quote] Well that’s good to know. I’m rarely wrong, if ever, but no ones perfect after all. |
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:) Best regards, Titanas |
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I think we might have just seen it.... The item that's going to win the 'BEST OF 2019... In fact... maybe the best thing to hit the magic shop shelves in quite a few years.. .. Tobias deserves a standing ovation. You get SO much in the set, meaning you can do SO MUCH with this MoM have it on the site now with free worldwide shipping plus an extra gift for the early birds that order here: https://www.magicshop-deals.com/products/silhouette It's shipping world wide on June 17th. Hope this helps you Dominic Reyes |
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Ok it is the time guys. Many of you saw this last Magic Live, almost a year ago. Tobias demanded perfection. We worked with the manufacturer to get the precise specifications and quality just right. It is finally here. Based on early dealer commitments, we are already looking how long we will be out before getting the second batch. It is great to see how many people love it. I said it many times and I will say it again, I LOVE THIS!!!!! More info: https://www.murphysmagic.com/Product.aspx?id=63187 Best regards, Titanas |
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This really looks incredible!! Especially like the shadow stealing the card and the one where the spectators shadow freezes! Sleepy |
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[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, Dominic Reyes wrote: I think we might have just seen it.... The item that's going to win the 'BEST OF 2019... In fact... maybe the best thing to hit the magic shop shelves in quite a few years.. .. Tobias deserves a standing ovation. You get SO much in the set, meaning you can do SO MUCH with this MoM have it on the site now with free worldwide shipping plus an extra gift for the early birds that order here: https://www.magicshop-deals.com/products/silhouette It's shipping world wide on June 17th. Hope this helps you Dominic Reyes [/quote] Murphy's has it for $74.95, but yours is listed at $90 |
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Also can someone let me know what each of the 12 different gimmicks can let me do? Thanks Sleepy |
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[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, lunatik wrote: [quote]On Jun 7, 2019, Dominic Reyes wrote: I think we might have just seen it.... The item that's going to win the 'BEST OF 2019... In fact... maybe the best thing to hit the magic shop shelves in quite a few years.. .. Tobias deserves a standing ovation. You get SO much in the set, meaning you can do SO MUCH with this MoM have it on the site now with free worldwide shipping plus an extra gift for the early birds that order here: https://www.magicshop-deals.com/products/silhouette It's shipping world wide on June 17th. Hope this helps you Dominic Reyes [/quote] Murphy's has it for $75, but yours is listed at $90 [/quote] I'm assuming that's to cover VAT, import/customs fees from the states and the free shipping Dom's offering. |
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| Hocus Pocus has it for $74.95. |
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[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, lunatik wrote: [quote]On Jun 7, 2019, Dominic Reyes wrote: I think we might have just seen it.... The item that's going to win the 'BEST OF 2019... In fact... maybe the best thing to hit the magic shop shelves in quite a few years.. .. Tobias deserves a standing ovation. You get SO much in the set, meaning you can do SO MUCH with this MoM have it on the site now with free worldwide shipping plus an extra gift for the early birds that order here: https://www.magicshop-deals.com/products/silhouette It's shipping world wide on June 17th. Hope this helps you Dominic Reyes [/quote] Murphy's has it for $74.95, but yours is listed at $90 [/quote] It's due to it being in the UK and some VAT stuff |
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| I assume this is best as a one off type effect right? Not going to be easily performed at gigs? |
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| Just ordered from hocus Pocus |
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| Let the barrage of emails from dealers begin! |
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| A friend of mine is thinking of a miniature phone projector. if it is, that would be genius! |
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$75 from vanishing Inc too. https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/magic/close-up-magic/silhouette-tobias-dostal/ |
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| Was there an answer as to if the phone case is essential to the effect? I assume so but then again, it does say you an do this with a borrowed phone. |
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[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, SleepyMagic wrote: Also can someone let me know what each of the 12 different gimmicks can let me do? Thanks Sleepy [/quote] X2 |
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| I think the phone case hides the gimmick. if using a specs phone, one would take extra care to hide it, but probably not a big deal. I'd rather just use my phone personally. |
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[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, Daren wrote: I assume this is best as a one off type effect right? Not going to be easily performed at gigs? [/quote] If this is as good as it looks, practical, and you are performing in the right environment, I would probably use this in the context of the old, oh wait I have one more thing I'd like to show you.... |
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Available here too now: http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/12124 |
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| Mainly interested in this for a stage piece -- wondering if it could be used with a flashlight and/or illuminated lightbulb and not just the phone? |
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| This type of magic would suit me I think. |
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[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, Daren wrote: I assume this is best as a one off type effect right? Not going to be easily performed at gigs? [/quote] Tobias has been performing this on gigs all the time as long as you are not under any spotlight or anything bright like the sun. The restrictions are not as narrow as you may think. Tobias performed it over and over again inside a las vegas casino where there are lights everywhere :) Best regards, Titanas |
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[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: [quote]On Jun 7, 2019, SleepyMagic wrote: Also can someone let me know what each of the 12 different gimmicks can let me do? Thanks Sleepy [/quote] X2 [/quote] Can someone answer this? |
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[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, SleepyMagic wrote: Also can someone let me know what each of the 12 different gimmicks can let me do? Thanks Sleepy [/quote] Well, technically everything we have released so far between the trailer and the photos shows you about 9 of the 12 different shadow effects. For the other three, there is one that creates an amazing levitation effect, another one that is super funny and the last one is for a rock paper scissors type of effect. There is something for everyone in this set and don't forget that the same gimmicks can have different performances like a very visual PK touches effect as an aexample. Best regards, Titanas |
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Apparently nobody wants to for some odd reason. As if we can't figure out that "something" is going on behind there. Ordered regardless, but it'd be nice to know if it comes with a similar case or if one may want to order something roughly similar before it arrives. [quote]On Jun 7, 2019, SleepyMagic wrote: [quote]On Jun 7, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: [quote]On Jun 7, 2019, SleepyMagic wrote: Also can someone let me know what each of the 12 different gimmicks can let me do? Thanks Sleepy [/quote] X2 [/quote] Can someone answer this? [/quote] |
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[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, lunatik wrote: [quote]On Jun 7, 2019, Dominic Reyes wrote: I think we might have just seen it.... The item that's going to win the 'BEST OF 2019... In fact... maybe the best thing to hit the magic shop shelves in quite a few years.. .. Tobias deserves a standing ovation. You get SO much in the set, meaning you can do SO MUCH with this MoM have it on the site now with FREE worldwide shipping plus an extra gift for the early birds that order here: https://www.magicshop-deals.com/products/silhouette It's shipping world wide on June 17th. Hope this helps you Dominic Reyes [/quote] Murphy's has it for $74.95 [/quote] Yep.. That's the UK price, with fast worldwide shipping. The first 100 orders also get an extra bonus item included. It also includes the full ONE YEAR no questions asked return option, so you can take 365 days to examine it, have a play.. think about it, and decide if you will use it or prefer to choose something else instead. ( This is in addition to the usual 30 days you legally have when you order items in the UK) Full details: https://www.magicshop-deals.com/products/silhouette Hope this helps Dominic |
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[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, Dominic Reyes wrote: [quote]On Jun 7, 2019, lunatik wrote: [quote]On Jun 7, 2019, Dominic Reyes wrote: I think we might have just seen it.... The item that's going to win the 'BEST OF 2019... In fact... maybe the best thing to hit the magic shop shelves in quite a few years.. .. Tobias deserves a standing ovation. You get SO much in the set, meaning you can do SO MUCH with this MoM have it on the site now with FREE worldwide shipping plus an extra gift for the early birds that order here: https://www.magicshop-deals.com/products/silhouette It's shipping world wide on June 17th. Hope this helps you Dominic Reyes [/quote] Murphy's has it for $74.95 [/quote] Yep.. That's the UK price, with fast worldwide shipping. The first 100 orders also get an extra bonus item included. It also includes the full ONE YEAR no questions asked return option, so you can take 365 days to examine it, have a play.. think about it, and decide if you will use it or prefer to choose something else instead. ( This is in addition to the usual 30 days you legally have when you order items in the UK) Full details: https://www.magicshop-deals.com/products/silhouette Hope this helps Dominic [/quote] 2nd to none! thanks Dominic :) |
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| I like the idea, but I hate the idea of spending that much money for a gimmick and fixed animation. The gimmick isn't difficult to figure out since Moto Mods already make something similar, would just need it to add an additional L/S, but I would want the ability to have the effect follow me rather than me follow the fixed effect. |
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[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, Dominic Reyes wrote: It also includes the full ONE YEAR no questions asked return option, so you can take 365 days to examine it, have a play.. think about it, and decide if you will use it or prefer to choose something else instead. ( This is in addition to the usual 30 days you legally have when you order items in the UK)[/quote] Does this return policy apply to all items in your shop? If so, I'd look at your site first rather than the likes of Vanishing and Penguin. |
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[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, professortango wrote: I would want the ability to have the effect follow me rather than me follow the fixed effect. [/quote] It can.. The shadow can move and actually interact with you. Hope this helps Dominic |
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[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, professortango wrote: I like the idea, but I hate the idea of spending that much money for a gimmick and fixed animation. The gimmick isn't difficult to figure out since Moto Mods already make something similar, would just need it to add an additional L/S, but I would want the ability to have the effect follow me rather than me follow the fixed effect. [/quote] I did not know what a Moto Mod was so searched for it. Is this what you mean: https://www.motorola.com/us/products/moto-mods/moto-insta-share-projector I do not think that would create a convincing Silhouette-like illusion having a moving image projected from the side of a smartphone. And it costs $199.99. Cool technology. Gets the mind thinking. |
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| I think Dominic is very very fair , you get vouchers or credit from the store but never your cash back ( I maybe wrong on that though ) . Still it’s a great gesture and he is a very stand up guy with a great policy imo , Gaz 🙂 |
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| Fyi ......I believe Penguin magic is the only company that offers a cash back option. |
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| I’ve ordered. Whatever this is I hope this stays underground and doesn’t get out in the American lexicon of what can be done with a gimmick. Things like TT, sticky bubbles, Magic apps and IT are exposed so easily and I hope this technology or gimmick isn’t readily known. So excited. Haven’t get this childlike wonder in awhile. |
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Magicshop have refunded me the cash, well, via paypal if you know what I mean...I returned something the same day it was delivered and it was sorted asap... anyway - cheapest I've seen this in the UK, is at Saturn magic at 70 quid and magicbox at 71.23... i'm tempted... |
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The absolute best routine with the shadow I've seen so far: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJH9iFOji_A Darko |
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[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, IAIN wrote: Magicshop have refunded me the cash, well, via paypal if you know what I mean...I returned something the same day it was delivered and it was sorted asap... anyway - cheapest I've seen this in the UK, is at Saturn magic at 70 quid and magicbox at 71.23... i'm tempted... [/quote] my mistake, magicshop have it for 71 quid... |
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| £69.53 Freepost magic is the cheapest I have seen thus far Gaz 🙂 |
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| Just in from the pub and done my usual Friday night product launch analysis. All these tricks seem to be launched on a Friday , just as I get in a bit tipsy from the pub ( UK time) Recently I have managed my drunken state and refused to press the Paypal button, but this seems to have appealed to my slightly ****ed up situation as it looks to me like Harry Potter type stuff, so I have bought it. It had better be good. |
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[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote: £69.53 Freepost magic is the cheapest I have seen thus far Gaz 🙂 [/quote] any lower anywhere else? I like using magicshop and saturnmagic the most, both have their benefits... |
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I'm gonna wait for version two where the shadow comes out of the wall and slaps the spectator. Kidding. This looks awesome. |
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| So... do we need to wait at least 10 more days to be disappointed? |
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[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, Maxyedid wrote: So... do we need to wait at least 10 more days to be disappointed? [/quote] With that negative attitude you don’t need to wait 10 days you are already disappointed. This looks great and I don’t see how can someone be disappointed. They provided enough information so we know what to expect. Tobias’ previous releases have all been real workers. MP |
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[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, Nathan Alexander wrote: I'm gonna wait for version two where the shadow comes out of the wall and slaps the spectator. Kidding. This looks awesome. [/quote] Lol!! |
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| Well, you'll need to be able to do an excellent, instant backpalm card vanish while your hand is being burned... |
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| I think I will get one too. |
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| Do you have to use a phone case with a cover flap like in the vid? |
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| It says you can use a borrowed phone, I would imagine that doesn't include putting a strangers phone in your own case? |
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[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, John7 wrote: Well, you'll need to be able to do an excellent, instant backpalm card vanish while your hand is being burned... [/quote] In card manipulation, the instant backpalm is done while your hand is burned. With Silhouette there are so many things happening at the same time with all the shadow interaction that it’s hard even for magicians to focus on the dirty hand. [quote]On Jun 7, 2019, gamma105 wrote: Do you have to use a phone case with a cover flap like in the vid? [/quote] Regarding the flip case: You don’t have to. A flip case is not required but I would say that it makes things easier and provides a lot more cover that I believe it’s better to have one. Some effects in Silhouette require more cover than others, for those effects I would say that a flip case is not required but recommended. Best regards, Titanas |
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| Resisted the urge to purchase! Unlike me but I want to wait until we see reviews from hobbyists etc |
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| The magicians will be racing to show this first on Britains Got Talent next year! |
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| Attraction won it in 2013 doing a shadow act , regards Gaz 🙂 |
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[quote]On Jun 8, 2019, JD_UK wrote: The magicians will be racing to show this first on Britains Got Talent next year! [/quote] This has been released at the right time. At least we may get a whole year before it’s exposed to the Nation. |
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| Yes.And then the method is exposed the following day by the English gutter press! |
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Markymark and Pegasus I couldn’t agree more with you . I detest the exposure of magic and it must emanate imho at least from disgruntled jealous magicians . I hope I am wrong on this , I very often am lol Gaz 🙂 |
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| As light has to shine through a silhouette in order to project onto a screen, I'm guessing this requires the ability to produce and ditch the silhouette so would be perfect for video, stage but not 360 close-up? |
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[quote]On Jun 8, 2019, patapon wrote: As light has to shine through a silhouette in order to project onto a screen, I'm guessing this requires the ability to produce and ditch the silhouette so would be perfect for video, stage but not 360 close-up? [/quote] Well, you've seen the guy perform it in the video so surely you know the kind of space and set you need, right? What do you want, a real miracle? |
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| Can only be performed on one side of the moon... |
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| Ordered mine now from magicshop... |
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| Almost pushed the button on this but then a certain magic dealer whose opinion I trust told me they would not be recommending it |
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[quote]On Jun 8, 2019, IAIN wrote: Can only be performed on one side of the moon... [/quote] Sigh! Was hoping for a real miracle :-) Thanks for your input. |
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[quote]On Jun 8, 2019, cardbiker wrote: Almost pushed the button on this but then a certain magic dealer whose opinion I trust told me they would not be recommending it [/quote] Very interesting. |
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| The magic drawers are full so they are now loft insulation as the wife calls them |
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| LOL! |
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| I'm assuming you're no a coin guy then :lol: |
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[quote]On Jun 8, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: I'm assuming you're no a coin guy then :lol: [/quote] No mate I’m a cr-p magnet lol |
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| Everyone seems to default to walk around, there's a whole new world out there where this will work really well... |
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I checked Saturn magic yesterday evening and it was priced at £67 something and now changed to £71.... Kieran |
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[quote]On Jun 8, 2019, pegasus wrote: [quote]On Jun 8, 2019, JD_UK wrote: The magicians will be racing to show this first on Britains Got Talent next year! [/quote] This has been released at the right time. At least we may get a whole year before it’s exposed to the Nation. [/quote] Yeah exactly! 😂👌 |
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| I always wonder why so many here are worried about internet exposure. Of course there will always be a few that try to research and find out how a trick was done but I would bet the major majority do not. Just go out and perform and have fun! Worry about mastering the trick and your presentation. Doesn't help to worry about things that are not in your control.... |
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| I recall years ago getting an effect from Ben Harris called "Hole In The Head." It was advertised with big hype, but was so bad Iended up getting a refund. Hope this is not an equal dissapointment. |
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I know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy... And they've said this is a good thing, practical and is somewhat similar to a thing in a roundabout way... |
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| The thing being a magic lantern? |
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I’m sold and already ordered It has had a lot of endorsements. But I also just like how it looks If I get burnt . Then it’s just one of them things But excited to find out either way |
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I very rarely preorder anything, but I had to pull the trigger on this one. I honestly don't care about what I need to do in order to perform this effect. Don't care about pocket space, loading, ditching , whatever. All I care about is performing what I saw in the in the trailer. To me, its just that incredible. Out of all the magic ive seen, this has to be one of the most amazing and creative things ive seen. Reminds me of seeing magic as a laymen. I envy my spectators who have never seen magic before, and this is the first thing they see. I'm anticipating this to sell out quickly with all the hype going around. If it does sell out I don't want to regret buying it when I could and have to wait around for another batch to arrive while everyone is talking about how much they love it. Its happened before, but not this time! Lol Anyway, just wanted to drop my 2 cents. Tobias, you have my undying gratitude for releasing this.. Will be counting the days until I get my hands on this. :) |
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| You know those effects that you only perform on those with a lower than average IQ? I think this may fit into that category. |
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[quote]On Jun 8, 2019, pegasus wrote: You know those effects that you only perform on those with a lower than average IQ? I think this may fit into that category. [/quote] I totally disagree. I don't know the creator but by checking the trailer I can easily understand the potencial and the hard work envolved so congratulations for this beautiful effect! |
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| When can we perform it for you? |
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This looks great. Will definitely purchase (and this is after knowing what the props are - it’s good ladies and gentlemen!) And pay no mind to this Pegasus guy. If I had a $1 (or £1) for any positive thing he’s ever said on these boards I’d amount to lint in my pockets. Just generally posts snarky comments. |
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| I’d like to see a performance with a borrowed phone. |
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| Anyone who’s actually seen this or laid hands on it know if the 12 effects have a sliding SOH scale for those of us challenged in this area? |
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[quote]On Jun 8, 2019, illusioneer wrote: This looks great. Will definitely purchase (and this is after knowing what the props are - it’s good ladies and gentlemen!) And pay no mind to this Pegasus guy. If I had a $1 (or £1) for any positive thing he’s ever said on these boards I’d amount to lint in my pockets. Just generally posts snarky comments. [/quote] Yeah but then the magic Café would be a very boring place. He’s right to be skeptical. We’ve all bought in to the hype machine. That said, I do genuinely think this will be a great effect. Tobias is no dilettante. And this looks to be a well thought out and crafted piece of art. On that note, I do think it will be more of a performance piece that surprises and delights vs one that completely fools/blows minds. I think to Pegasus’ point, a spec may have some idea that the phone/projection is involved. And that’s okay. The piece entertains. Kind of Like those acts on AGT or BGT etc that perform interactive, choreographed pieces against some visual effect on screen. My hope is that the props are practical for impromptu purposes and I look forward to hearing more about it. |
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I understand shaking a stick at the system from time to time - it’s not a perfect monster. But at least be constructive! Just bashing things sight unseen without having any previous experience with the item is doing nobody favors. Just makes you look jaded 110% of the time. I think there are aspects that are easy to get into and out of without requiring a lot of sleight work. There will be more advanced animations that may take a little TLC. Here it’s more about subtlety than knuckle busting. Also, my opinion that this would work best as an atmospheric “piece of strange” as opposed to a working rep. Sure you could use it in a walkaround gig - But it’s so special It’s the last thing you want groups coming up and asking to show THEIR friends repeatedly. Because this is something people WILL talk about. And the second, third, fourth time would certainly be a lesson and not entertainment. |
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And who is saying this is presented as full on magic? this is an illusion or a magical-add on to the real shadow puppetry skillset... I get that you can play this a little more seriously too, but just cos you see things presented a certain way in a demo, doesn't mean you have to do it like that...that's the problem with vids, it can kill off the creative process...buy things because you have ideas that you want to explore with the gimmick, not just so you can do the same presentation everyone else will... |
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It does look interesting. I'll wait for reviews. Allen |
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| Amen Iain! 👏👏 |
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[quote]On Jun 8, 2019, cardbiker wrote: Almost pushed the button on this but then a certain magic dealer whose opinion I trust told me they would not be recommending it [/quote] This is why I am very sceptical about this release. I’d love to know more. Cardbiker knows his stuff and should not be ignored. |
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| I think this could be one of those effects where you see a lot for sale second hand |
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[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, dj wrote: The absolute best routine with the shadow I've seen so far: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJH9iFOji_A Darko [/quote] Can you do this with it :-) I want to learn all of it. lol! Ahh excited might just purchase. Will only be able to be used in certain places of course. Do I go for it? |
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[quote]On Jun 8, 2019, pegasus wrote: [quote]On Jun 8, 2019, cardbiker wrote: Almost pushed the button on this but then a certain magic dealer whose opinion I trust told me they would not be recommending it [/quote] This is why I am very sceptical about this release. I’d love to know more. Cardbiker knows his stuff and should not be ignored. [/quote] Well if cardbiker said so, it must be so. |
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Until I see this myself I would air on the side of Pegasus and caution . He says the things a lot of us think , which some of us can’t say anymore unfortunately . So I for one certainly support his great input on these boards . This looks great for certain scenarios but the only effect I have seen that doesn’t require a lot of sleights is the holding of the spectators finger effect etc so it may end up being quite obvious unless you are a massively sleight based magician imo . Don’t get me wrong I like it but would I use it ? I am not sure but that probably won’t stop me buying it lol Gaz 🙂 |
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I really enjoyed Paul Dabek's shadow puppetry work https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRBXiusiwjw If I was that good, I could see a way to segue this in that has some real punch. Not sure I could go in cold without all the attention being on the technology. |
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[quote]On Jun 8, 2019, pegasus wrote: You know those effects that you only perform on those with a lower than average IQ? I think this may fit into that category. [/quote] [img]https://media.giphy.com/media/5WfVbfCD7nMpVqpSlg/giphy.gif[/img] |
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I am surprised no one has mentioned how this might play well for Halloween. Maybe I am wrong. Ron |
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| I pulled the trigger on it. Excited to see the mechanics of this. My only hope is that the gimmick is reasonably hidden. |
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| Very interested in this, especially the rock-scissors-paper effect, but want to hear word on what the cleanup is like at the end of the effect. Will wait for hands-on reviews. |
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| No. You are right. Actually. |
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As in all shadow plays, you will likely need to be comfortable at ringing in the gimmick as you borrow a phone, and then ditch it before you return the phone. That's why replies to my earlier posts confirms that its great for stage and video, but you cannot perform this 360, and you will likely need your audience in front of you (not even at the side) for close-up. Great idea though as the heat seems to be all on the phone! |
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| Does anyone know if it is necessary to have a phone case to do the trick. If so, I don’t understand how this could be done with a spectarors phone. Is it possible to do more than one routine in a row, or we can use only one gimmick at the time? Anyway the trick is great and opens a wide range of tricks or ideas: revealing cards, words, numbers, animals because i‘ve read when you see the gimmick you can create your own routines. |
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You do not need the phone to have a case :-) You can only do one silhouette at a time, and each time I believe you need to ring in and ditch the gimmick. Just think of how real shadow play is done. Its the same. |
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| Has anyone else noticed what is wrong at 1 minute 22 seconds when he is holding the shadow finger. |
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[quote]On Jun 9, 2019, Rob.m wrote: Has anyone else noticed what is wrong at 1 minute 22 seconds when he is holding the shadow finger. [/quote] No. And neither will people in real life without the benefit of rewinding videos. |
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| Some one will - I noticed the first time I watched it so if you did it a few times and the same person was watching I think they would pick up on it. |
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| 1:12 is the best effect for me. If can get away performing this one I’ll be happy with my purchase. |
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| I never saw it and I have watched it 5 times now at normal speed lol Gaz 🙂 |
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[quote]On Jun 9, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote: I never saw it and I have watched it 5 times now at normal speed lol Gaz 🙂 [/quote] Specsavers mate. Book an appointment. Lol. |
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Lol , I will take a proper look now as I was just looking as a layman before . I want to make sure I see it without slowing it down at first Gaz 🙂 |
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| My only concern with this is that the gimmick is relatively small and concealed. Also, easy to ditch. |
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| Yeah rewatched it at full speed and can see very easily what Rob.m and Pegasus are referring to now Gaz 🙂 |
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| This will be a cool effect. Even though people will know where something fishy is going on (especially with a flip phone case) They won’t know the exact method and it will definitely entertain. If you’re going for adding entertainment, or an interactive peter pan type patter to a kids show this will be great. If you just look for magician foolers, this is not for you. |
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[quote]On Jun 9, 2019, sOnrisemagic wrote: If you just look for magician foolers, this is not for you. [/quote] If the magicians in the demo were being truthful, the effect seemed to fool some pretty experienced magicians. |
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I might be mistaken But I don’t think they were fooled But in awe what they just witnessed. Like I have been You can’t deny on first watch you was not enthralled by what you just saw And that’s the feeling I want to bring to the audience Yes we can dissect it later. Anyone can . But it’s the initial response I want to have And I think I will with this |
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I had the chance to see the gimmick and all I can say is: - it is not electronic but “mechanical” - All you need is your thumb - it is small - you need the case to provide some cover if you have and espectator at your right as it happens with the espectator finger effect. - you can also use the case to *l*d* the gimmick so it can change shape at will (rose/ no rose for instance) - It is really well made and it needs a bit of practice to master. - it is easy to load, steal and ditch - I love it |
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[quote]On Jun 9, 2019, videoman wrote: [quote]On Jun 9, 2019, sOnrisemagic wrote: If you just look for magician foolers, this is not for you. [/quote] If the magicians in the demo were being truthful, the effect seemed to fool some pretty experienced magicians. [/quote] Most if not all the endorsements are expressing how creative and visual and amazing it is. Which it is! They haven't said if they have or haven't been fooled. |
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Magician fooler does not necessarily equate to audience fooler. Success for one doesn't equate to success for all. Unless you already have this, your opinions are some what moot. Just as the radio cannot be rewound, neither can a real time performance unless it is recorded. I can only speak for myself, but if I attend a magic show, I go for the entertainment not to RIP the show. I think the same thing can be said here on the Café. I too think trailers could be much better and should be, but perhaps its because we don't respect the Art as we once did. Best Steve |
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This thread is hilarious.... Consider this... Would you rather be entertained, or fooled? This looks to be a beautiful effect which could be woven into a story to create a fantastic experience. Anything can be deconstructed when it's related to technology. The answer doesn't even need to be right, it just needs to be close enough if a "spectator" really wants to figure things out. Do you really hope that someone witnessing this thinks you have the ability to control shadows, or do you want to create a potentially magical experience where you can make someone feel that sense of childlike wonder that we all have at some point. I pre-ordered it for that reason, anyone interested in this to create the belief that you really have the ability to control light and shadow should probably give this one a pass (and maybe take some time to reconsider reality)... Personally, I'll be spending some time weaving a few good stories and scenarios for this one in hopes of creating some moments where those participating don't "care" how it is done.. |
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You are given the tools to amaze what you do with those tools is up to you. Good magic to all, Eric |
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| There are a few tools on this thread. |
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| The point is this thread is about speculation and the real trouble is these days is people are not aloud to express opinions without getting a backlash in one form or another . This does look great and if it’s 25% as good as the super hyped endorsements it will be worth having . How practical this in finding a decent background to perform this on remains to be seen as in the demo it appears to be a proper set easel blank canvas . I will wait to see it performed in person to give a really true reflection Gaz 😉 |
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[quote]On Jun 9, 2019, JasonL2112 wrote: This thread is hilarious.... Consider this... Would you rather be entertained, or fooled? This looks to be a beautiful effect which could be woven into a story to create a fantastic experience. Anything can be deconstructed when it's related to technology. The answer doesn't even need to be right, it just needs to be close enough if a "spectator" really wants to figure things out. Do you really hope that someone witnessing this thinks you have the ability to control shadows, or do you want to create a potentially magical experience where you can make someone feel that sense of childlike wonder that we all have at some point. I pre-ordered it for that reason, anyone interested in this to create the belief that you really have the ability to control light and shadow should probably give this one a pass (and maybe take some time to reconsider reality)... Personally, I'll be spending some time weaving a few good stories and scenarios for this one in hopes of creating some moments where those participating don't "care" how it is done.. [/quote] 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏👏 👏 👏 👏 👏👏 👏 👏 👏 👏👏 👏 👏 👏 👏👏 👏 👏 👏 👏👏 👏 👏 👏 👏👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 |
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Repeat after me... No one will suddenly believe that you can control shadows, especially after performing sponge balls or ambitious card.... I reckon lots will be up on the 2nd hand market soon enough... But it won't be the product's fault... |
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| Lucky Luke would be able to do amazing things with this gimmick. He could do the trick faster than his shadow. |
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This could add some 'magic' to an otherwise boring card routine. I can just imagine how doing the part with the shadow and the back palm could go down very well. You could say that your shadow helps you with sleight of hand and show how it can grab the selected card and hand it back to you when needed. Looks different and entertaining, especially when combined with some sleight of hand. |
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Tobias CONGRATULATIONS! This is genius wonderful application :applause: |
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| I think holding the spectators finger shadow looks very strong ,I am going to do a routine based on the human spirit leaving the human body,demonstrating the scenario |
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[quote]On Jun 10, 2019, Nathan Horne wrote: This could add some 'magic' to an otherwise boring card routine. [/quote] Hmm, magic is not is the props you use, it is in the presentation/delivery. Yes, even cards can be very entertaining and fun! Majority if not all of layman know that magic isn't real and there is a method behind what we do. Therefore, the "entertainment factor" is not in the prop. Personally, I have tons of fun with my audience when performing card effects as does my audience! The old adage holds true, "successful magic is 10% the effect and 90% the presentation". I did pre-order this because I definitely can see the entertainment value for me. I believe this prop has excellent potential from which I can develop many different fantastic routines/moments of which my audience will thoroughly enjoy! Only question remaining is if it is practical or not. If it is, I have a very good feeling about Silhoutte! RNK |
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A site selling this effect tipped the method, which is pretty poor. Who am I kidding, they had a photo of the ******** which is really bad! Oddly though I'm more impressed than I was previously. I assumed this was a (basic) projector of some sort but there's actually a lot more going on that requires the skill of the performer. I guess that raises a discussion point, if people think it's a projector or an app does it matter if it's not? A phone is used in the performance, so will some people think the shadow is the result of technology when in fact it's little more (it's a bit more) than a convenient and practical light source. The effect also reminds of another creepy and brilliant effect but I can't really say what it is without tipping the method. And no, it's not Ghost Vision. It's funny, I wasn't impressed by this at all until I say the method but I now I think it's very clever indeed. Nice work Tobias. |
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Wasn't going to mention it, but saw the same. All I'll add is that this will be easier than expected to bring in & out of play. My "only" concern is durability which won't be a known until its in hand. And yes, its brilliant. |
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If you can't see the potential of something like this, get back to that Elmsley* count. I'm sure it could use some work. *Not knocking Elmsley's Ghost Count, it's brilliant. If you think I was, you've missed the point. Again. |
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| I agree the picture needs to come down to stop revealing what the method is. I would also keen to know the durability of Silhouette |
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[quote]On Jun 9, 2019, JasonL2112 wrote: This thread is hilarious.... Consider this... Would you rather be entertained, or fooled? This looks to be a beautiful effect which could be woven into a story to create a fantastic experience. Anything can be deconstructed when it's related to technology. The answer doesn't even need to be right, it just needs to be close enough if a "spectator" really wants to figure things out. Do you really hope that someone witnessing this thinks you have the ability to control shadows, or do you want to create a potentially magical experience where you can make someone feel that sense of childlike wonder that we all have at some point. I pre-ordered it for that reason, anyone interested in this to create the belief that you really have the ability to control light and shadow should probably give this one a pass (and maybe take some time to reconsider reality)... Personally, I'll be spending some time weaving a few good stories and scenarios for this one in hopes of creating some moments where those participating don't "care" how it is done.. [/quote] Entertained or fooled? As magicians, most of us are attempting to do both surely? Consider this instead: When you saw the demo did you think, "Cute trick. It must be something added to the phone's light, perhaps hidden by the phone case, to create the shadow."? I know I did. Now, what makes you think your audience won't come to the same conclusion? |
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"Do you really hope that someone witnessing this thinks you have the ability to control shadows, or do you want to create a potentially magical experience where you can make someone feel that sense of childlike wonder that we all have at some point. " Both, definitely both. |
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Also, even when they do deconstruct the experience, their time has come and gone and ultimately... Who cares? Who in their right mind will think a magician can really control the "power of shadows"... They are there to be entertained to go on a brief unusual journey/experience... Context is key, and above all else, just don't buy it if you think that's what an audience will do... |
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| Well if not control shadows that another force is controlling them. That's powerful, Disney level enchantment. |
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It’s made out of metal it will last you a life time. Best regards, Titanas |
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Ok, seemed interesting, but all my fears were justified. First of all - of course it is exactly the same as Mayne's Ghost Vision. Titanas just lying to say "method far from his". Just metal instead of clear plastic and some ideas. By the way - Ghost Vision is much better in angles, so here goes the second - angles are really bad. 1 on 1 only, or just keep away everybody like in TV specials. Even in the tutorial he flashes the gimmick all the time. And you better have really big phone, not iPhone SE, for example. iPad would be ideal. Or you must have the case. In fact you can't do any animation without the case (so they say in tutorial). So buy it. Of course no animation with borrowed phones. But the the case it just looks like mini projector. I personally think the price is ok for what you get which is rare in magic nowadays. |
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[quote]On Jun 10, 2019, Christopher Williams wrote: I would also keen to know the durability of Silhouette [/quote] Been playing with this all day now. I love it. The supplied parts are very well made and durable. You can also easily make your own shadows I'm planning to make a hand in a 'pinching' shape.. So I can have a thought 'plucked' from a spectators head :-) Hope this helps Dominic |
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[quote]On Jun 10, 2019, Nikita wrote: Ok, seemed interesting, but all my fears were justified. First of all - of course it is exactly the same as Mayne's Ghost Vision. Titanas just lying to say "method far from his". Just metal instead of clear plastic and some ideas. By the way - Ghost Vision is much better in angles, so here goes the second - angles are really bad. 1 on 1 only, or just keep away everybody like in TV specials. Even in the tutorial he flashes the gimmick all the time. And you better have really big phone, not iPhone SE, for example. iPad would be ideal. Or you must have the case. In fact you can't do any animation without the case (so they say in tutorial). So buy it. Of course no animation with borrowed phones. But the the case it just looks like mini projector. I personally think the price is ok for what you get which is rare in magic nowadays. [/quote] It’s hard to believe you have seen the instructions and still think it’s the same as Ghost Vision, not to mention that the instructional video is not out yet. I have ghost vision and it’s a great trick but totally different to silhouette not just because of different materials but mainly because silhouette can do animations. Best regards, Titanas |
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It's a similar concept to Ghost Vision because in that (excellent) effect a 'shadow' is created. However, that's only inside a photo or video... Ghost Vision would twin with it nicely. This happens to something real. a shadow.. not a photo. A shadow on a wall that actually INTERACTS with you or your spectator. MoM have it on the site now shipping from the UK here : https://www.magicshop-deals.com/products/silhouette Release day is the 17th June Hope this helps Dominic |
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Titanas, I won't go deeper, but sure "kinda ring on the thumb" will tell you everything) Also want to mention that in Ghost Vision you can do animations. And without a case as in silhouette. And even with a borrowed phone)) "Totally different" is like magnеt and thread, "different" is like thread and loops. Maybe you mean using phone light instead of phone camera, but it has nothing to do with the gimmick for sale. Gimmick is the same "kinda ring on the thumb". Improved of course, since it's a new product) |
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| Bravo Mark at Saturn Magic 👏🏻 |
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[quote]On Jun 10, 2019, reignofsound wrote: Bravo Mark at Saturn Magic 👏🏻 [/quote] In case people were curious on Mark's stance: https://www.saturnmagic.co.uk/blog/blog-98.html |
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[quote]On Jun 8, 2019, IAIN wrote: Can only be performed on one side of the moon... [/quote] Unless you take a light source with you... then you will be fine. :) LOL |
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[quote]On Jun 10, 2019, reignofsound wrote: Bravo Mark at Saturn Magic 👏🏻 [/quote] he's only saying that he thinks the majority of his client base won't dedicate the time and energy into being able to perform this properly - that's fair enough...I reckon he's right... but he's also saying what a great effect it is too... |
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I can understand taking that position on stocking some blatantly trash item by some no name company, etc....but regardless of whether you like Silhouette or not, I think it can be generally agreed it's a very well thought out and creative effect. I've seen the pics and while the gimmicks may not be for me, they appear to be very well made and clever. Tobias is a respected creator. He's not some no-name putting out a piece of junk. He has a good track record. So it seems a bit harsh to not stock it. To each's own, though so in that sense, I respect Mark's position. . |
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[quote]On Jun 10, 2019, IAIN wrote: [quote]On Jun 10, 2019, reignofsound wrote: Bravo Mark at Saturn Magic 👏🏻 [/quote] he's only saying that he thinks the majority of his client base won't dedicate the time and energy into being able to perform this properly - that's fair enough...I reckon he's right... but he's also saying what a great effect it is too... [/quote] Exactly! Honestly. Not trying to ram it down your throat saying the best thing ever and buy, buy, buy. |
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[quote]On Jun 10, 2019, reignofsound wrote: [quote]On Jun 10, 2019, IAIN wrote: [quote]On Jun 10, 2019, reignofsound wrote: Bravo Mark at Saturn Magic 👏🏻 [/quote] he's only saying that he thinks the majority of his client base won't dedicate the time and energy into being able to perform this properly - that's fair enough...I reckon he's right... but he's also saying what a great effect it is too... [/quote] Exactly! Honesty. Not trying to ram it down your throat saying the best thing ever and buy, buy, buy. [/quote] |
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Wow, went into pretty painful detail as to what it is for starting out by saying he wasn't going to show / expose it... [quote]On Jun 10, 2019, Nigel Quinn wrote: 10/10 from Magicworld: https://www.facebook.com/MagicWorldUK/videos/607403803114004/?notif_id=1560195397977803¬if_t=live_video_explicit [/quote] |
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Hey Everyone... I've just reviewed Silhouette by Tobias... You can watch it at: https://www.facebook.com/MagicWorldUK/videos/607403803114004/?sfnsw=cl If you like it please do like our facebook page! A youtube link will be coming up soon! All the best Anthony |
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| Looks like my prediction was correct (again) and I’ll be grabbing a bargain on the second hand market. :rotf: |
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[quote]On Jun 10, 2019, magicant wrote: Hey Everyone... I've just reviewed Silhouette by Tobias... You can watch it at: https://www.facebook.com/MagicWorldUK/videos/607403803114004/?sfnsw=cl If you like it please do like our facebook page! A youtube link will be coming up soon! All the best Anthony [/quote] Why would anyone here like your Facebook page? |
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[quote]On Jun 8, 2019, IAIN wrote: When can we perform it for you? [/quote] ANy time man just pop on over..... :) Dave "Wheels" Matkin |
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| Well I actually think Mark's review is encouraging. Looks like an effect that you will have to put some time into and practice. IF you do you will have a killer effect. Personally I think it will be worth it just like Kohlers CTG is going to be worth it, for me anyway! If an effect is killer but takes some time and practice, I definitely think it is worth it! |
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[quote]On Jun 10, 2019, PendletonThe3rd wrote: I can understand taking that position on stocking some blatantly trash item by some no name company, etc....but regardless of whether you like Silhouette or not, I think it can be generally agreed it's a very well thought out and creative effect. I've seen the pics and while the gimmicks may not be for me, they appear to be very well made and clever. Tobias is a respected creator. He's not some no-name putting out a piece of junk. He has a good track record. So it seems a bit harsh to not stock it. To each's own, though so in that sense, I respect Mark's position. . [/quote] I read the comments "Tobias is a respected creator, he has a good track record etc." quite a few times, this really puzzled me. "Ping" was a mediocre gimmick, and Stay Cool was a piece of crap which broke after 2 days: which other items make up the "good track record"? I might have missed something? |
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| I do agree, Stay Cool was a very cool idea but the gimmick was very cheaply made! |
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| Since the cat is well out of the bag that the gimmick(s) are metal, does anyone "in the know" happen to know if the alloy used will work with a magnet? Would be great to use a holdout for the ditch. |
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[quote]On Jun 10, 2019, Dominic Reyes wrote: [quote]On Jun 10, 2019, Christopher Williams wrote: I would also keen to know the durability of Silhouette [/quote] Been playing with this all day now. I love it. The supplied parts are very well made and durable. You can also easily make your own shadows I'm planning to make a hand in a 'pinching' shape.. So I can have a thought 'plucked' from a spectators head :-) Hope this helps Dominic [/quote] Hey Dominic, since this is metal, does he teach how to make other shadows. Would you have to use other materials. I have other ideas too. Best Steve |
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[quote]On Jun 10, 2019, scott0819 wrote: [quote]On Jun 10, 2019, reignofsound wrote: Bravo Mark at Saturn Magic 👏🏻 [/quote] In case people were curious on Mark's stance: https://www.saturnmagic.co.uk/blog/blog-98.html [/quote]. I applaud Mark for his honesty . This still sounds fantastic to me . Wondering what kind of magicians buy magic from his shop if he’s worried about an llusion that takes too much practice to perfect I for one practice a effect till I’m blue in the face even if it’s a simple as a paddle trick . Mine should arrive in the next few days I believe this will add something special to a illusion I am working on . |
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| Mark was not happy with the price, not happy with the amount of practice, and performance restrictions ie. angles, lighting, correct surface. He obviously doesn’t want 90 percent returned the next day and the hassle that goes with that. |
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[quote]...He obviously doesn’t want 90 percent returned the next day and the hassle that goes with that. [/quote] That's a fair point. |
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[quote]On Jun 10, 2019, pegasus wrote: Mark was not happy with the price, not happy with the amount of practice, and performance restrictions ie. angles, lighting, correct surface. He obviously doesn’t want 90 percent returned the next day and the hassle that goes with that. [/quote] Wrong Pegasus, Mark was absolutely fine with the price and what you received. He was also fine with the angles, I never heard him say that the angles were rubbish and it wont work. He actually praised the product for the ones who will actually take the time to practice and master it. Mark simply said that he knows 90% of his clients WILL NOT take the time to practice this. This holds true for most effects that require practice not to mention I believe it holds true that 90% of purchasers do not perform professionally or semi-pro that get paid for gigs. And these people usually are the ones that do not want to put the time in. And that's not a bad thing, it's all in what you want. Did you watch the same review I did? |
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| I watched it. You're 100% right on what he said RNK. I think this thing is awesome from what I've heard (including Mark's video). I just regret that I don't like or use a flip case. And I'm not sure I want to switch to it just for casual performances. Gigs, sure. So we'll see. It's fresh and fun to watch though. |
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[quote]On Jun 11, 2019, RNK wrote: [quote]On Jun 10, 2019, pegasus wrote: Mark was not happy with the price, not happy with the amount of practice, and performance restrictions ie. angles, lighting, correct surface. He obviously doesn’t want 90 percent returned the next day and the hassle that goes with that. [/quote] Wrong Pegasus, Mark was absolutely fine with the price and what you received. He was also fine with the angles, I never heard him say that the angles were rubbish and it wont work. He actually praised the product for the ones who will actually take the time to practice and master it. Mark simply said that he knows 90% of his clients WILL NOT take the time to practice this. This holds true for most effects that require practice not to mention I believe it holds true that 90% of purchasers do not perform professionally or semi-pro that get paid for gigs. And these people usually are the ones that do not want to put the time in. And that's not a bad thing, it's all in what you want. Did you watch the same review I did? [/quote] He’s being kind. You’re just blinded (as usual) by the sales pitch. Will this jump the queue of all the other effects that you’ve not yet mastered? I’d love to see your show. It must change daily. |
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[quote]Why would anyone here like your Facebook page? [/quote] Why would they not? I am providing a review of all the latest products that is unbiased and by liking you get notified of all the latest reviews.. Apologies for any offence caused for requesting this. |
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[quote]On Jun 10, 2019, scott0819 wrote: [quote]On Jun 10, 2019, reignofsound wrote: Bravo Mark at Saturn Magic 👏🏻 [/quote] In case people were curious on Mark's stance: https://www.saturnmagic.co.uk/blog/blog-98.html [/quote] Thanks for that link & thank you, Mark! |
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[quote]On Jun 11, 2019, pegasus wrote: You’re just blinded (as usual) by the sales pitch. Will this jump the queue of all the other effects that you’ve not yet mastered? I’d love to see your show. It must change daily. [/quote] Wow. Would love to see your show too pegasus, would probably just involve you telling people how rubbish everything and that you know better as you read the daily express and fantasise that your opinion actually matters. All mark said was he didn't think the product would suit his sales demographic. Which includes you. And he wouldn't have to accept any returns. He said he liked the effect, the quality and the performance. There will be a lot of 2nd hand sales, but that's down to the demographic and not the product. |
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[quote]Will this jump the queue of all the other effects that you’ve not yet mastered? [/quote] Perhaps it will... because nowadays so many people just want the newest effect that is a clever gimmick yet self working and you can pick up in minutes which is a shame. If any product this year makes me want to put in the time to learn then it is this one as you can see by my review and live performance after 15 minutes practice. It's so different... Not a card trick, and fun at the same time. For the 10% who put in the time this will be something your guests and friends talk about for a long time.. it's a party piece. I disagree with hype not being worth it.. The hype is definitely worth it, at least for this trick. Lastly £68.99 is a bargain for all the metal gimmicks and setup you receive. For once I actually don't feel ripped off and excited... But hey. that's just me :). |
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I can see both sides of the coin here , but from my experience amateurs , hobbyists , and semi pros often put in more practice at times than the full time pros who tend to stick to the same effects but just change their audiences . The 10% of non pros which is a skewed made up figure I believe ( as everyone seems to at least think they are a pro these days and are gigging ) have to keep changing their effects as they have the same audience so actually practice more . It’s an urban myth in today’s society with magic being so out there that people just buy magic to collect or to find out the secret . It’s easy to practice magic plus very enjoyable and rewarding if you just remember that practice doesn’t make perfect , perfect practice however does Gaz 🙂 |
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Face it Pegasus, your first quote "Mark was not happy with the price, not happy with the amount of practice, and performance restrictions ie. angles, lighting, correct surface. He obviously doesn’t want 90 percent returned the next day and the hassle that goes with that." was just not borne out by what Mark actually said. No need to get personal when someone points out (pretty politely, too!) that you're just making things up. |
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| Gaz, I will say my 2c from Marks comment was that it was more about stagecraft - many hobbyists don't necessarily have a lot of theatrical skills, which are a critical part of this presentation. |
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You are probably correct on that Morganjj and I also haven’t given this effect a lot of interest as it’s not my type of effect based on the trailers etc . However the close up performance demo I saw with a load of overreacting teenagers was hardly what I would consider stagecraft ? Anyway it’s not my type of magic , I don’t like phone magic and I don’t like effects that are pretty limited as to when and where they can be performed . Apart from that I love it lol 🙂 and I am at least being honest as Mark at Saturn certainly appears to be too on this one Gaz 🙂 |
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Funnily Mark's review makes me want this more. Full respect to him though, he's a businessman and everything he's said makes total sense. It's a tabloid trick to twist the headline any other way. As for Stay Cool great effect and idea but terrible build quality. Mine broke almost instantly, though I did hear they were improving on it. |
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| I watched the instruction. I think I will use this. It is not the same like Ghost Vision but the same idea I Think. I am Missing the Levitation part Titanas talking about. |
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[quote]On Jun 11, 2019, pegasus wrote: [quote]On Jun 11, 2019, RNK wrote: [quote]On Jun 10, 2019, pegasus wrote: Mark was not happy with the price, not happy with the amount of practice, and performance restrictions ie. angles, lighting, correct surface. He obviously doesn’t want 90 percent returned the next day and the hassle that goes with that. [/quote] Wrong Pegasus, Mark was absolutely fine with the price and what you received. He was also fine with the angles, I never heard him say that the angles were rubbish and it wont work. He actually praised the product for the ones who will actually take the time to practice and master it. Mark simply said that he knows 90% of his clients WILL NOT take the time to practice this. This holds true for most effects that require practice not to mention I believe it holds true that 90% of purchasers do not perform professionally or semi-pro that get paid for gigs. And these people usually are the ones that do not want to put the time in. And that's not a bad thing, it's all in what you want. Did you watch the same review I did? [/quote] He’s being kind. You’re just blinded (as usual) by the sales pitch. Will this jump the queue of all the other effects that you’ve not yet mastered? I’d love to see your show. It must change daily. [/quote] Well Pegasus, actually I have been blessed in the past few years in getting called back for additional shows with the same clients including a lot of the same audience. So I wouldn't say daily but yes I do have to change/add a few effects a lot of times monthly (usually every 4-6 months). It's very interesting how you live across the pond, never met me, and can make a statement how I have yet to master effects (plural). You say "ALL THE OTHERS" when in fact there was recently ONE effect (CTG) that I stated would take time to master. Maybe you can clarify and list for our audience here ALL THE OTHER effects that I said would take time to master other than CTG and Silhouette? You seem to like putting words in others mouths. I guess you have to do that to make you feel better about yourself, I don't know, just a guess. Also, thanks to the others here who actually understood Mark's review helping me realize I wasn't blind. |
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[quote]On Jun 11, 2019, IAIN wrote: [quote]On Jun 11, 2019, pegasus wrote: You’re just blinded (as usual) by the sales pitch. Will this jump the queue of all the other effects that you’ve not yet mastered? I’d love to see your show. It must change daily. [/quote] Wow. Would love to see your show too pegasus, would probably just involve you telling people how rubbish everything and that you know better as you read the daily express and fantasise that your opinion actually matters. All mark said was he didn't think the product would suit his sales demographic. Which includes you. And he wouldn't have to accept any returns. He said he liked the effect, the quality and the performance. There will be a lot of 2nd hand sales, but that's down to the demographic and not the product. [/quote] Yes he would. It’s called the distance selling regulations. Please show me within the regs that this does not apply to magic products?? I would like to say I’d like to see your show too but it seems you’ve given up on mentalism, so you’re probably not up to scratch yet having recently converted to magic. Lol. |
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Pegasus is correct The distance selling regulations apply to all Retailers in the UK Regardless if you are selling Magic Product or Not |
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Apologies got it kinda wrong, but read their terms and conditions... https://www.saturnmagic.co.uk/terms.html |
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| "we have had customers contact us after buying a trick or item and say they want to return it because they will not use it now they know how it is done or how the item can be used. We are sorry but we are unable to take any returns for items in this way as you will have learned the secret to the effect even if you return the item and props" |
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| And this has mentalism related uses... |
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[quote]On Jun 11, 2019, IAIN wrote: "we have had customers contact us after buying a trick or item and say they want to return it because they will not use it now they know how it is done or how the item can be used. We are sorry but we are unable to take any returns for items in this way as you will have learned the secret to the effect even if you return the item and props" [/quote] That will Never Hold up in Court The Law Staes You must tell the customer they can cancel their order up to 14 days after their order is delivered. They don’t need to give a reason for cancelling. If you don’t tell the customer about their right to cancel, they can cancel at any time in the next 12 months. If you tell them about the right to cancel during these 12 months, they have 14 days to cancel from when you told them. |
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"Distance Selling Regulations returns apply to most products, but there are some goods you can't return if you simply change your mind, including: CDs, DVDs or software if you've broken the seal on the wrapping perishable and other items that deteriorate rapidly, such as food and flowers tailor-made or personalised goods underwear and earrings." It says "including" so it's not an exhaustive list, so it could be argued that magic items are included in this list espeically if there's a seal and it's broken - magic is very much like a pair of knickers in that respect. It's also pretty poor form to return an effect because you don't like the method, unless it was blatantly miss sold and not fit for purpose. Gecko anyone? ;) |
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| I can totally imagine pegasus and Jack magic in court together... |
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| Throwing shade in a thread about silhouettes pleases me... |
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[quote]On Jun 11, 2019, IAIN wrote: I can totally imagine pegasus and Jack magic in court together... [/quote] Haha. |
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| The Consumer Contracts (Information, Cancellation and Additional Charges) Regulations apply to sales of goods or services to consumers without face-to-face contact. This includes selling by mail order, online, using digital television or by telephone, fax or text message. |
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[quote]On Jun 11, 2019, Havens wrote: magic is very much like a pair of knickers [/quote] I'm getting that printed on a tile. |
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| With magic effects and indeed knickers it’s not one size fits all Gaz 🙂 |
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[quote] Perhaps it will... because nowadays so many people just want the newest effect that is a clever gimmick yet self working and you can pick up in minutes which is a shame. [/quote] Preach ^ lol. Some companies won't even bother putting an effect out if it requires too much work or setup to perform. As far as what too much is((that seems to be anything over 5 mins lmao)) |
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Imagine if they released the royal road to cardmagic as a new book today... You'd have people complaining about it in latest and greatest for sure.. Probably complaining about the word phalange... |
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| I find "phalange" to be unneccesarily offensive. It completely turned me off card magic. |
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| A moist phalange... |
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| Lol Iain 😂 regards Gaz 🙂 ps I love reading and still re read the royal road |
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Hi everyone, here is my review of Silhouette by Tobias Dostal. Hope it helps :) [youtube]KhV_hpoEbi0[/youtube] Best, Kaan |
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[quote]On Jun 11, 2019, Kaan wrote: Hi everyone, here is my review of Silhouette by Tobias Dostal. Hope it helps :) [youtube]KhV_hpoEbi0[/youtube] Best, Kaan [/quote] Can’t see link on my iPhone? |
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[quote]On Jun 11, 2019, reignofsound wrote: Can’t see link on my iPhone? [/quote] Here you go: https://youtu.be/KhV_hpoEbi0 |
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| Thanks, Kaan. Perfect timing. No performance of Silhouette from you though, does that mean you weren't able to master it (yet)? I'm asking because I thought the demo by magicant in his review wasn't very impressive. (Not trying to be negative, just stating what I felt watching it.) Now you don't even show it. This rings some alarm bells for me. I would really like to see somebody perform this well who's not named Tobias. |
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[quote]On Jun 11, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: Thanks, Kaan. Perfect timing. No performance of Silhouette from you though, does that mean you weren't able to master it (yet)? I'm asking because I thought the demo by magicant in his review wasn't very impressive. (Not trying to be negative, just stating what I felt watching it.) Now you don't even show it. This rings some alarm bells for me. I would really like to see somebody perform this well who's not named Tobias. [/quote] I don’t think you will see anybody performing it as great as Tobias yet considering that the trick is not out yet and dealers just got it in. Nobody had the time it deserves yet. MP |
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[quote]On Jun 11, 2019, M Pitcher wrote: [quote]On Jun 11, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: Thanks, Kaan. Perfect timing. No performance of Silhouette from you though, does that mean you weren't able to master it (yet)? I'm asking because I thought the demo by magicant in his review wasn't very impressive. (Not trying to be negative, just stating what I felt watching it.) Now you don't even show it. This rings some alarm bells for me. I would really like to see somebody perform this well who's not named Tobias. [/quote] I don’t think you will see anybody performing it as great as Tobias yet considering that the trick is not out yet and dealers just got it in. Nobody had the time it deserves yet. MP [/quote] There are simple things you could perform with not a lot of practice. I just wasnt able to do so because I had no other camera to film with |
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[quote]On Jun 11, 2019, Kaan wrote: [quote]On Jun 11, 2019, reignofsound wrote: Can’t see link on my iPhone? [/quote] Here you go: https://youtu.be/KhV_hpoEbi0 [/quote] Thank you. |
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Even a German dealer is showing the gimmick in the advert. Can’t believe this could happen https://www.stemaro-magic.de/Close-Up-Magie/Silhouette-von-Tobias-Dostal.html |
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| Even a German dealer... that’s a real shocker! As this is something normally only non-German dealers would do! :rotf: |
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| Just kiddin’. It IS really bad. |
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[quote]On Jun 11, 2019, Kaan wrote: Hi everyone, here is my review of Silhouette by Tobias Dostal. Hope it helps :) [youtube]KhV_hpoEbi0[/youtube] Best, Kaan [/quote] Thank you, Kaan! Your review is very helpful. D. |
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[quote]On Jun 10, 2019, magicant wrote: Hey Everyone... I've just reviewed Silhouette by Tobias... You can watch it at: https://www.facebook.com/MagicWorldUK/videos/607403803114004/?sfnsw=cl If you like it please do like our facebook page! A youtube link will be coming up soon! All the best Anthony [/quote] Anthony almost made me buy this but still waiting to hear from non shops / pros. |
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I usually don't care what the "Pros" say. Most of the sets that they perform are effects that they've honed in for quite a while. New effects are always coming out and they usually don't make it into their repertoire easily. Most working pros don't have the time or desire to see if they can work in the latest and greatest item that comes out, but there are a lot more hobbyists out there that are purchasing these items and going out and performing them. They have the time and energy to work them and see if it's a worker or not. *disclaimer* There are probably some "Pros" out there that are always changing up their repertoire, trying out new effects. just my .02 |
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| W.P.R gave a really good review. |
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| Is this gonna be hard to perform with just an iPhone or any phone WITHOUT a flip cover? |
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| The answer to that question is in every review. Try Kaan's for example. |
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[quote]On Jun 12, 2019, kiketron wrote: Even a German dealer is showing the gimmick in the advert. Can’t believe this could happen [/quote] and then YOU showed everyone on the Café! :banana: |
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[quote]On Jun 12, 2019, the Sponge wrote: [quote]On Jun 12, 2019, kiketron wrote: Even a German dealer is showing the gimmick in the advert. Can’t believe this could happen [/quote] and then YOU showed everyone on the Café! :banana: [/quote] To be fair I think most of us knew what the gimmicks were. |
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| Received this yesterday. Still need a lot of practice, but my initial concern is that the real shadow looks much more crisp and vibrant compared to the fake shadows. I've tried playing with lighting, distances and angles, yet the fake shadow always appears much different than my real shadow. If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. Thanks. |
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| Frankly it looks that way on the demo videos as well. I think this is a performance piece that magicians especially like because of how clever and “magical” it is. Not necessarily because it is fantastically fooling. I ordered it of course but whether I will be able to use it is another story. |
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| I haven’t received it yet but I have to humble myself and remember what a spec sees versus what I am trying g to accomplish. While we strive for excellence as magicians I imagine if a spectator sees a shadow engage with us, they are not going to fixate on how dark the shadow is as we would as trying to “perfect” a “masterpiece” with Television -Like standards we set for ourselves while we engage the “real” world. |
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Agreed I think they will be taken aback about what they are seeing than thinking if that shadow is a lighter shade |
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| I predict that hardly anyone will actually use this in the real world and will ultimately sell it on . I maybe wrong but it just looks imo one of them effects that are super hyped and everyone gets super excited over but it ends up being very impractical in most surroundings Gaz 🙂 |
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[quote]On Jun 12, 2019, MagicBrent wrote: I haven’t received it yet but I have to humble myself and remember what a spec sees versus what I am trying to accomplish. While we strive for excellence as magicians I imagine if a spectator sees a shadow engage with us, they are not going to fixate on how dark the shadow is as we would as trying to “perfect” a “masterpiece” with Television -Like standards we set for ourselves while we engage the “real” world. [/quote] Yep. Well said. |
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Hi everyone - my first real post here, thanks for letting me in ! As for Silhouette, knowing exactly what the gimmick is I think it's gonna be a bit harder to pull off than you might think from watching the trailer. Quite some sleight of hand -ish skill required, you can't just pick anyone random from the audience and angles could be an issue too (not sure how this could be seen as 180 degree safe). Oh yeah, and lots of coordination practice required as well. Not saying it's bad or anything, I'm sure it can look quite magical or be suprising and definitely doable, just not as easy as you might think. At first I thought it'd be perfect for performing in casual social situations like on a night out, but knowing what I know now I'd feel safer doing the same thing on a set stage, maybe as part of an otherwise unrelated routine (where you just pick a rose from the shadow or do the card back and forth and then continue with your routine). |
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[quote]On Jun 13, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote: I predict that hardly anyone will actually use this in the real world and will ultimately sell it on . I maybe wrong but it just looks imo one of them effects that are super hyped and everyone gets super excited over but it ends up being very impractical in most surroundings Gaz 🙂 [/quote] I totally agree. I think you’ve got to have really mastered the art of manipulation to be any good at this. Massively over hyped imo. This was marketed to me as “beginner level” - misleading beyond words. |
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| I watched the trailer several times before I noticed the difference in sharpness between real and fake shadows. I imagine most people are the same. |
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[quote]On Jun 13, 2019, scott0819 wrote: I watched the trailer several times before I noticed the difference in sharpness between real and fake shadows. I imagine most people are the same. [/quote] that makes absolutely no sense at all. You said that you watched the trailer "Several Times" beforey ou noticed a difference in sharpness between the real and fake shadows. Spectators aren't going to watch it several times, so what is your point? |
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[quote]On Jun 13, 2019, lunatik wrote: [quote]On Jun 13, 2019, scott0819 wrote: I watched the trailer several times before I noticed the difference in sharpness between real and fake shadows. I imagine most people are the same. [/quote] that makes absolutely no sense at all. You said that you watched the trailer "Several Times" beforey ou noticed a difference in sharpness between the real and fake shadows. Spectators aren't going to watch it several times, so what is your point? [/quote] I just mean there are some people commenting that are concerned that the Silhouette shadows are “fuzzy”. This seems like a needless worry to me. No one is going to watch you do it repeatedly enough to notice that difference. |
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Most of these extra long threads in latest and greatest follow the seven stages of grief... https://www.recover-from-grief.com/7-stages-of-grief.html |
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| Got my copy yesterday and watched the instructional video and began playing with this. First impression is obviously it will take some practice and experimenting. I can see, in one aspect, why they consider this at beginner level because it is actually very easy to use. On the other hand, the only reason I would consider this higher than a beginner level is due to ones experience performing and being aware of angles Etc. Overall, I am happy with this and plan on using it. I foresee a lot of people here talking about the angle issue but there are a lot of tricks out there where people have to positioned more on one side rather than the other which all comes down to audience management and knowing when and when not to perform this. Given the right conditions I really think this is going to be fantastic and fun to perform! |
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| I actually might start using a flip case to help with the angles because I see great fun and potential with Silhouette! |
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[quote]On Jun 13, 2019, IAIN wrote: Most of these extra long threads in latest and greatest follow the seven stages of grief... https://www.recover-from-grief.com/7-stages-of-grief.html [/quote] LOL. And you ordered this, right? :huh: |
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[quote]On Jun 13, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: [quote]On Jun 13, 2019, IAIN wrote: Most of these extra long threads in latest and greatest follow the seven stages of grief... https://www.recover-from-grief.com/7-stages-of-grief.html [/quote] LOL. And you ordered this, right? :huh: [/quote] Yup, and I am looking forward to it... I know exactly what I'm going to use it for... I think people have the expectation that this will make it look like you can control shadows and for me, that's ridiculous... It might have even been used as a selling point... Which is equally as daft... For you magicians, surely this is a mixture of an unique skill and then, just for a moment or two, a flash of magic on top and nothing else... People will know that something went across the torch light eventually... If you could do that then you'd just... Yknow... Use the sun and your own shadow... But we are not! People need to take themselves less seriously, have some fun, bring a bit of unusualness some variety, something different... I hope people do return this out of misplaced anger, because I don't think they've thought about this effect anywhere near enough to take best advantage of this unique release... "doesn't fit my style" will be the most quoted phrase by magicians flogging this on after a weekends practice... |
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[quote]On Jun 13, 2019, IAIN wrote: People need to take themselves less seriously, have some fun, bring a bit of unusualness some variety, something different... [/quote] I fully agree! I'm very interested in what your presentational angle would be and also in what circumstances you plan on using this. From what I can tell by your posts you think things through very thoroughly, so you surely have a plan. Would you share some of it with us? It would be great to hear some intelligent comments on this :ohyes: |
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| Nah... And mainly cos it just produces copycats... And also, why talk about thinking for yourself and then do what someone else does... |
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[quote]On Jun 13, 2019, IAIN wrote: For you magicians, surely this is a mixture of an unique skill and then, just for a moment or two, a flash of magic on top and nothing else... [/quote] That's mentalism snobbery, Iain! ;) |
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[quote]On Jun 13, 2019, IAIN wrote: Nah... And mainly cos it just produces copycats... And also, why talk about thinking for yourself and then do what someone else does... [/quote] Ok, too bad. But I understand. |
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Magicians have it easy... They need to reclaim the word, bring it a mixture of gravitas and fun... You guys get to break the laws of physics... Freeze things, turn silver to gold, make things fly... All that and more... But no, sponge rabbits and rubbish jokes and waistcoats with aces on it... Such a wasted opportunity... And the psychic side of Mentalism is just packed full of debunked woo woo and clichés... Find your own niche and explore iit... Find tools and techniques that help you do it... Even if its just for social performances, be more 'you' and think about what you like and why... Don't pay attention to those who always post first and call foul... They're in their own rut and don't realise it... They'll label it as something else, but that's only a small part of it... Oh and steer clear of those who keep getting banned and coming back under different names too, purely out of ego.. |
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It's simple. That this is fun and magical has already been demonstrated, and viewers have expressed the same (laymen and pro magician alike, and for the most part we can assume the best intentions for their reactions.) The rest (varying disagreements on hype, angles, price, etc) is inside baseball. The payoff for practice is what you see in the video. If it's for you is really up to you. I'm not getting it, but like it. Well done. |
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I'm really confused by the hype on this - I think this looks terrible - I just don't get it?! Looking at the image on the German site - https://www.stemaro-magic.de/Close-Up-Magie/Silhouette-von-Tobias-Dostal.html - it's just like a metal puppet thing that goes on your thumb, positioned in front of a light source, which is of course exactly what any sane adult would expect it to be! If I saw this live, my first reaction would be to look at the light source (the phone) to see what was being positioned in front of it. Everyone knows how to make a shadow animal with their fingers (I do them for my kids almost daily at bedtime), so nobody is going to be fooled by something like this, which is OBVIOUSLY being achieved by a variation on the same method. Yes it can move and yes it's more crisp than a pair of bunny ears via your fingers, but that's nothing additional that's going to impress anyone with half a brain cell. Anyway, as I say, I just don't get it. I think it's possibly the worst, most obvious effect, I've ever seen. |
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When I was a beginner, I was so passionate about the opportunity to learn magic that I dedicated countless hours to it and practiced until my fingers bled (Hot shot cut with smaller hands). If this effect is not for you then it is not for you. Good on you for realizing it. Disparaging the effect and the Effort that it takes to bring something to market when Tobias never had to share it with us in the first place Is just broadcasting your ego, idiocy, and lack of heart for magic to the rest of us. Making self satisfied predictions that People will be selling this off is nothing to be proud of. Trolling a forum dedicated to helping Artists and then agreeing with yourself using another account only serves to make this a worse place for everyone. Opinions are fine but if you're not adding to the conversation you're just wasting your own time and spiking the blood pressure of others. When I hear that something beautiful is also difficult to do it just makes me more enthused about it. In a world where effects are so easy to perform that the only barrier to entry is the price its refreshing to have something where the barrier to performance is patient practice and determination to share something beautiful with your audiences. I'm grateful to everyone involved in sharing this with the rest of us...And if anyone wants a slightly used one then PM me. |
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| I had a friend who saw this live last year at The Session. He was absolutely blown away |
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[quote]On Jun 13, 2019, scott0819 wrote: [quote]On Jun 13, 2019, lunatik wrote: [quote]On Jun 13, 2019, scott0819 wrote: I watched the trailer several times before I noticed the difference in sharpness between real and fake shadows. I imagine most people are the same. [/quote] that makes absolutely no sense at all. You said that you watched the trailer "Several Times" beforey ou noticed a difference in sharpness between the real and fake shadows. Spectators aren't going to watch it several times, so what is your point? [/quote] I just mean there are some people commenting that are concerned that the Silhouette shadows are “fuzzy”. This seems like a needless worry to me. No one is going to watch you do it repeatedly enough to notice that difference. [/quote] ah ok, I misunderstood your post, my apologies :) |
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I think at the end of the day this trick brings me hope that countless crappy magicians will buy it & learn the art of acting. Nathan |
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I absolutely love this effect, but after playing with it for a couple days, either my hands are too small or my phone (pixel 3 xl) is too big! So hard to get the animation to work! Haven't given up yet, but loosing hope.. thinking it's just my phone, will try it with my girlfriends iPhone tonight |
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[quote]On Jun 13, 2019, Nathan Pain wrote: I think at the end of the day this trick brings me hope that countless crappy magicians will buy it & learn the art of acting. Nathan [/quote] If you are trying to tell us you think you are good at acting you found a really unsympathetic way of doing so. If you want to inspire other magicians to take up acting you also found a really unsympathetic way of doing so. All we get from this post is that you think you are way better that most here. But any succesfiull pro will tell you that social skills are the most important tool in a magician’s arsenal. And the one thing you show in your post is a complete lack of those. Try acting some :rotf: |
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[quote]On Jun 13, 2019, JosephKerr wrote: When I was a beginner, I was so passionate about the opportunity to learn magic that I dedicated countless hours to it and practiced until my fingers bled (Hot shot cut with smaller hands). If this effect is not for you then it is not for you. Good on you for realizing it. Disparaging the effect and the Effort that it takes to bring something to market when Tobias never had to share it with us in the first place Is just broadcasting your ego, idiocy, and lack of heart for magic to the rest of us. Making self satisfied predictions that People will be selling this off is nothing to be proud of. Trolling a forum dedicated to helping Artists and then agreeing with yourself using another account only serves to make this a worse place for everyone. Opinions are fine but if you're not adding to the conversation you're just wasting your own time and spiking the blood pressure of others. When I hear that something beautiful is also difficult to do it just makes me more enthused about it. In a world where effects are so easy to perform that the only barrier to entry is the price its refreshing to have something where the barrier to performance is patient practice and determination to share something beautiful with your audiences. I'm grateful to everyone involved in sharing this with the rest of us...And if anyone wants a slightly used one then PM me. [/quote] That last sentence cracked me up. 😂😂 |
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| Me too Pegasus I didn’t know if it was a joke or he worked for the main dealer . Either way it seemed pretty ironic don’t you think Gaz 😂 |
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[quote]On Jun 14, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote: Me too Pegasus I didn’t know if it was a joke or he worked for the main dealer . Either way it seemed pretty ironic don’t you think Gaz 😂 [/quote] How many times have we heard the same ole ‘second hand sales pitch’ spiel? “This is totally amazing but it’s just not for me” Yeh, whatever. |
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[quote]On Jun 13, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: [quote]On Jun 13, 2019, IAIN wrote: People need to take themselves less seriously, have some fun, bring a bit of unusualness some variety, something different... [/quote] I fully agree! I'm very interested in what your presentational angle would be and also in what circumstances you plan on using this. From what I can tell by your posts you think things through very thoroughly, so you surely have a plan. Would you share some of it with us? It would be great to hear some intelligent comments on this :ohyes: [/quote] Intelligent comments? Iain? Lol. |
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[quote]On Jun 14, 2019, BritishMagic wrote: I absolutely love this effect, but after playing with it for a couple days, either my hands are too small or my phone (pixel 3 xl) is too big! So hard to get the animation to work! Haven't given up yet, but loosing hope.. thinking it's just my phone, will try it with my girlfriends iPhone tonight [/quote] That’s it, blame the phone. Lmao. |
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I for one am having a ball with this! Love practicing it as well, so much fun!! I do believe I will get a flip case to help with the angles. Though, you can definitely do it with a borrowed phone, I would feel my comfortable with the flip case. And for me, this effect is so neat and different that I will add the flip case. BritishMagic, I definitely can understand what you are saying, if your hands are to small this definitely would make performing this and trying to hide the method much more difficult. Hope it's your phone size and you can get a smaller one. |
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[quote]On Jun 14, 2019, pegasus wrote: [quote]On Jun 13, 2019, JosephKerr wrote: When I was a beginner, I was so passionate about the opportunity to learn magic that I dedicated countless hours to it and practiced until my fingers bled (Hot shot cut with smaller hands). If this effect is not for you then it is not for you. Good on you for realizing it. Disparaging the effect and the Effort that it takes to bring something to market when Tobias never had to share it with us in the first place Is just broadcasting your ego, idiocy, and lack of heart for magic to the rest of us. Making self satisfied predictions that People will be selling this off is nothing to be proud of. Trolling a forum dedicated to helping Artists and then agreeing with yourself using another account only serves to make this a worse place for everyone. Opinions are fine but if you're not adding to the conversation you're just wasting your own time and spiking the blood pressure of others. When I hear that something beautiful is also difficult to do it just makes me more enthused about it. In a world where effects are so easy to perform that the only barrier to entry is the price its refreshing to have something where the barrier to performance is patient practice and determination to share something beautiful with your audiences. I'm grateful to everyone involved in sharing this with the rest of us...And if anyone wants a slightly used one then PM me. [/quote] That last sentence cracked me up. 😂😂 [/quote] [youtube]IkmvhlouDTk[/youtube] |
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This is now in stock and I can’t wait to receive it. MP |
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Https://www.instagram.com/p/BytDk27lpuI/?igshid=13q8mfkudc3y5 A performance of this effect |
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| Then after he borrowed his phone and hacked it. "What's-up" with that? (Hey-ohhhh!) |
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| One believes you American types follow up with "aaaaaaaaaaaah, snap!"... :stircoffee: |
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[quote]On Jun 14, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: [quote]On Jun 13, 2019, Nathan Pain wrote: I think at the end of the day this trick brings me hope that countless crappy magicians will buy it & learn the art of acting. Nathan [/quote] If you are trying to tell us you think you are good at acting you found a really unsympathetic way of doing so. If you want to inspire other magicians to take up acting you also found a really unsympathetic way of doing so. All we get from this post is that you think you are way better that most here. But any succesfiull pro will tell you that social skills are the most important tool in a magician’s arsenal. And the one thing you show in your post is a complete lack of those. Try acting some :rotf: [/quote] Nope, not saying that at all. I am saying that this trick requires acting skill and that I hope that maybe some magicians who are not adept at that skill will buy this and perhaps gain some insight on how to act. Better? Nathan |
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[quote]On Jun 14, 2019, Nathan Pain wrote: [quote]On Jun 14, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: [quote]On Jun 13, 2019, Nathan Pain wrote: I think at the end of the day this trick brings me hope that countless crappy magicians will buy it & learn the art of acting. Nathan [/quote] If you are trying to tell us you think you are good at acting you found a really unsympathetic way of doing so. If you want to inspire other magicians to take up acting you also found a really unsympathetic way of doing so. All we get from this post is that you think you are way better that most here. But any succesfiull pro will tell you that social skills are the most important tool in a magician’s arsenal. And the one thing you show in your post is a complete lack of those. Try acting some :rotf: [/quote] Nope, not saying that at all. I am saying that this trick requires acting skill and that I hope that maybe some magicians who are not adept at that skill will buy this and perhaps gain some insight on how to act. Better? Nathan [/quote] don't worry Nathan, I am sure most knew what you meant. |
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| Not everybody has your social skills, RNK. ;) |
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[quote]On Jun 15, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: Not everybody has your social skills, RNK. ;) [/quote] I wouldn't call it social skills, maybe interpretation skills would be a better word. :>) And all I'm saying is if you took that comment personally then well as the old adage goes, if the shoe fits wear it. |
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| Bob, I'm baffled. :rotf: |
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[quote]On Jun 15, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: Bob, I'm baffled. :rotf: [/quote] Hence, Baffling Bob! I have been told by many the name fits me well. |
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[quote]On Jun 15, 2019, RNK wrote: [quote]On Jun 15, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: Not everybody has your social skills, RNK. ;) [/quote] I wouldn't call it social skills, maybe interpretation skills would be a better word. :>) And all I'm saying is if you took that comment personally then well as the old adage goes, if the shoe fits wear it. [/quote] Bob, You get me, you really get me. Nathan |
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Bob, MANY as in 1, 2, MANY, I assume? :rotf: (As I recall you telling us earlier you need new tricks all the time because of a lack of audience) PS Your attempt at getting Nathan to bond with you against me was endearing. It reminded me of my daughter. The little sweetheart is four years old now :ohyes: I’m truly sorry for you that Nathan decided to handle like a man. :goodluck: |
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| Um, yeah, ok. Whatever you say my friend. I know that's not what I stated but not a problem. But that shoe must be a perfect size for you. |
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| Size MANY, I guess? :lol: |
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I applaud Saturn Magic for giving an honest View on this product well done Mark |
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[quote]On Jun 14, 2019, RNK wrote: I for one am having a ball with this! Love practicing it as well, so much fun!! I do believe I will get a flip case to help with the angles. Though, you can definitely do it with a borrowed phone, I would feel my comfortable with the flip case. And for me, this effect is so neat and different that I will add the flip case. BritishMagic, I definitely can understand what you are saying, if your hands are to small this definitely would make performing this and trying to hide the method much more difficult. Hope it's your phone size and you can get a smaller one. [/quote] RNK: Did you pick up a phone case? If so, did that make it a lot easier for you? BritishMagic: Did you try a smaller phone? |
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| I haven't received my package yet, but Im in love with this effect. I feel it gives you freedom to create stories, funny moments, and has class, something that we don't see often in magic performances, |
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| I tried with my girlfriends phone (the big iphone), still had the same problem. I can do the standard shadows, but can't do the animation due to the phone width/my hand size. |
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I wonder if Mark has had a change of heart or if its just a site error? https://www.saturnmagic.co.uk/saturn-magic-shop/silhouette--gimmicks-and-online-instructions--by-tobias-dostal--trick.html Mine has been delivered, wont get to open it til tomorrow though. A mate has got his too - he's very happy (and he said that he knows that most people wont put in the practice)... |
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[quote]On Jun 17, 2019, IAIN wrote: I wonder if Mark has had a change of heart or if its just a site error? https://www.saturnmagic.co.uk/saturn-magic-shop/silhouette--gimmicks-and-online-instructions--by-tobias-dostal--trick.html Mine has been delivered, wont get to open it til tomorrow though. A mate has got his too - he's very happy (and he said that he knows that most people wont put in the practice)... [/quote] Now that it is out people can make informed decisions so we have now made the product available for sale, I still stand by what I said and feel it was the right thing to do. We are different to every magic shop out there, most will push anything on you (I see it regularly), they are just sales machines. Sometimes your morals have to be put before profit. |
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| Hey, you're a business, and a good one at that... I order from you the most... |
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Well just received mine ,I do not understand how people could say this trick is not for beginners ,the basic handlings are very easy to do ,yeah others may require a bit practice,the flip cases you buy the majority have a magnetic close clasp which will hold your gimmick until you ready to load it. On the whole this trick is awesome def the trick of the year 👌 |
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[quote]On Jun 16, 2019, Dominic Reyes wrote: [quote]On Jun 14, 2019, RNK wrote: I for one am having a ball with this! Love practicing it as well, so much fun!! I do believe I will get a flip case to help with the angles. Though, you can definitely do it with a borrowed phone, I would feel my comfortable with the flip case. And for me, this effect is so neat and different that I will add the flip case. BritishMagic, I definitely can understand what you are saying, if your hands are to small this definitely would make performing this and trying to hide the method much more difficult. Hope it's your phone size and you can get a smaller one. [/quote] RNK: Did you pick up a phone case? If so, did that make it a lot easier for you? BritishMagic: Did you try a smaller phone? [/quote] I did not pick up the flip case yet Dominic. Very soon. I have been trying to work this without a case and I have to say it will definitely be tough without the case. But first I want to work it as much as I can without the case to see what I can get away with regarding the angles. I believe adopting the movements using a case will not take long after working a lot without it. |
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| I have avoided ALL mobile phone tricks and gimmicks until now. What appeals to me about THIS mobile phone trick, as opposed to others, that it can play to a crowd and involve many spectators. Mine was delivered today, and I'm impressed with the concept, the production quality of the gimmick and the production quality of the training, which is extensive. |
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| FWIW, you don't have to use your primary phone. not only can the phone be borrowed, but you can repurpose one of your own old phones since mobile/carrier service is not required, just the flashlight. If you have more than one phone, you can choose to use the one with the best flashlight for this effect. |
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| Got it a few weeks ago to test out - here is my basic review: https://youtu.be/j4uMuwKFawE |
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| Super nice review! |
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| I'm live right now with Tobias Dostal to chat about SILHOUETTE! https://www.facebook.com/MurphysMagicSupplies/videos/395415577750929 |
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Couldn't join us live? No prob, catch the Silhouette Q&A replay now! [youtube]07b_A_yeFR8[/youtube] |
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| Just saw the live, he is here in Greece lol |
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[quote]On Jun 17, 2019, DavidKenney wrote: Got it a few weeks ago to test out - here is my basic review: https://youtu.be/j4uMuwKFawE [/quote] “Never seen anything like it.” I guess then, you have never seen Ghost Vision by Andrew Mayne. It’s [b]the same exact concept[/b] but uses video rather than shadow. |
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Same exact concept only it’s done with video and not with shadows, it doesn’t have a mechanism that allows you to have animations, it has totally different effects and different materials. Everything else is EXACTLY the same lol Best regards, Titanas |
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Ghost Vision does have animation, no “mechanism” necessary. To be clear, I said “same exact concept”. Not every detail! lol That’s not to say that this isn’t a much more interactive and more visible routine. But to say “I have never seen anything like it.”, as David did, is ignoring the history of magic. I sure hope it doesn’t end up the latest rage on talent shows and get exposed over and over in six months. |
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Just received this and have watched the instructional video. Tobias Dostal has put together a brilliant, beautiful magical effect. The gimmick is extremely well-made and durable, and in the hands of a skilled magician or puppeteer, the effect I'm sure will get fabulous reactions. Is it worth the price? Yes, it would be worth it at twice the price--if you put the time and effort in to perfect your performance of it: getting the handling right and making it into a powerful effect will require real practice (like all strong magic). I do however want to note some important performance limitations for someone like me who has small hands and a LARGE LG/Android phone (3.5" x 5.74"). There is no way that I can see to do the animation efects, e.g. in which an empty hand suddenly produces a card or rose. To be able to do that, the thumb of your hand holding the phone MUST be able to reach to the other side of the phone. So if you want to know if you can perform those particular effects, try gripping your phone and see if you can touch your thumb to your middle finger. If you can't, then you cannot perform them. In my case, given my phone and hand size, I fall short by a full 1" in making that connection. It's always a bit disappointing when a new gimmick comes out that hasn't been tested to see if everyone can use it (in this case, people with smaller hands and/or larger phones). I understand that not every gimmick can be made to suit every person's physiology, or every device. However, I feel that these limitations should at least have been acknowledged in the instructions and appeared as a caveat in the advertising. This drawback aside, however, Silhouette is a truly astonishing effect, and I recommend it. |
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| I like this a lot, and see this as a purely beautiful performance piece. The more you put into this one, the more you will get out of it. I think those that spend the time on figuring out the subtitles will be rewarded with a truly magical moment that is not meant to fool, but to entertain. Something that I often find stays with spectators longer and what most of them will remember years from now. Any person can learn to execute an effect, but those that will be remembered for it are the ones that learned to perform the effect. If you liked the promo video, order this, then take some time and enjoy creating something beautiful and different. Congrats Tobias |
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[quote]On Jun 19, 2019, Melies wrote: Just received this and have watched the instructional video. Tobias Dostal has put together a brilliant, beautiful magical effect. The gimmick is extremely well-made and durable, and in the hands of a skilled magician or puppeteer, the effect I'm sure will get fabulous reactions. Is it worth the price? Yes, it would be worth it at twice the price--if you put the time and effort in to perfect your performance of it: getting the handling right and making it into a powerful effect will require real practice (like all strong magic). I do however want to note some important performance limitations for someone like me who has small hands and a LARGE LG/Android phone (3.5" x 5.74"). There is no way that I can see to do the animation efects, e.g. in which an empty hand suddenly produces a card or rose. To be able to do that, the thumb of your hand holding the phone MUST be able to reach to the other side of the phone. So if you want to know if you can perform those particular effects, try gripping your phone and see if you can touch your thumb to your middle finger. If you can't, then you cannot perform them. In my case, given my phone and hand size, I fall short by a full 1" in making that connection. It's always a bit disappointing when a new gimmick comes out that hasn't been tested to see if everyone can use it (in this case, people with smaller hands and/or larger phones). I understand that not every gimmick can be made to suit every person's physiology, or every device. However, I feel that these limitations should at least have been acknowledged in the instructions and appeared as a caveat in the advertising. This drawback aside, however, Silhouette is a truly astonishing effect, and I recommend it. [/quote] Great point, Melies. Thanks for the heads-up. |
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I have a ring stuck on the back of my phone, I wonder if that would make it easier? I certainly cannot come close to reaching around the width of my phone and touching my fingertips. But using the ring I may not have to. Just wondering this out of curiousity and for the benefit of others as I doubt I will be purchasing this. |
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I just posted a review of this on my YouTube channel! Check it out here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OWnO4FLf90 Hope you find this helpful :) |
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| Three second hand ones up for sale already |
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[quote]On Jun 22, 2019, cardbiker wrote: Three second hand ones up for sale already [/quote] Yikes. |
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[quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Tyler Lunsford wrote: I just posted a review of this on my YouTube channel! Check it out here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OWnO4FLf90 Hope you find this helpful :) [/quote] Tyler, I appreciate reviews that aren't influenced by free merch sent by the manufacturers. 8.7? That's a pretty precise score. ;) Anyway, thanks for your honest review. D. |
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[quote]On Jun 22, 2019, cardbiker wrote: Three second hand ones up for sale already [/quote] Actually I'm surprised there are not more for sale. Though it's a fantastic effect, as Mark from Saturn magic stated and Dave and Kaan in their reviews, this effect is going to take lots of practice and timing to get down. Most people will not put the time in to master it. If you do, you will have an amazing piece to perform. |
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| I love the effect, my issue was with it not working with multiple phone's I tried as they are too wide. I didn't want to go get a second phone just for this effect. Honestly gutted I couldn't get it to work. |
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And of course there will be those here that know it takes a lot of practice and know they will not put the time in so will continue to post negative statements about it. The way of the Café.... |
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| Wow. That is really an indirect way of saying: my fellow Café members lack talent, commitment and even honesty in admitting so. Thanks for enlightening us with your analisys of our psyche, Bob. It must be hard to stay modest when you are as great as you are. :applause: |
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I agree with RNK. However, I do not think he meant everyone that posts negative things about this or other effects are those that do not put sufficient time to learn the effect but there are certainly people who, consciously or unconsciously, do so. I, for one, know that I will not put the amopunt of time needed to make this effect good in my hands so I have avoided it. In the right hands, such as RNK's or many others who do put the time in and who are patient, will reap the award of performing an outstanding effect. I think RNK respects. But sometimes we cast criticism towards others and not ourselves when things do not go as planed. That is soemtimes just human nature. I do not think RBK was making a blanket statement against all people or magicians. I think he has agreat deal of respect for magicians. Michael |
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| I hope you're right, Michael. I seem to have read a few posts too many from RNK that sounded like he was putting fellow magicians down. But thanks for chiming in. You worded it in an a very nice, sympathetic way. |
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| Especially me. Fact. |
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I understand and appreciate your point of view, The Unmasked Magician. You obviously respect and have passion for the art of magic and those that perform. Your defensive posture is understandable and admirable. Both you and RNK put a great deal if time and effort in being the best magicians you can be for yourself and for your audiences. That is all we can hope to achieve: to improve and to entertain. Michael |
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[quote]On Jun 22, 2019, magicinsight wrote: Both you and RNK put a great deal if time and effort in being the best magicians you can be for yourself and for your audiences. [/quote] Just to put things into perspective: I've been a full-time pro for 20 years including performing on national TV, theatres, etc. RNK openly states he is an amateur who's audience is so small he needs to buy new tricks all the time. And whenever he states how he presents his effects, this clearly shines through. Which is completely understandable, but then I think you should tone it down a bit instead of putting down the Café ("the way of the Café") and it's members . Some modesty would be nice. I've seem to have read to many threads where pro's or semi-pro's state they see a problem presenting an effect. And RNK will just chime in by stating there is no problem, because he always gets great reactions. Which probably is true by HIS standards. But he shouldn't project those on others and on top of that be a smartaleck about it. Just my opinion please, as someone on the Café who actually IS modest would say :-) |
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Hey there Michael, thank you for clarifying my point! You are always the man of clarity here, thank goodness!! Obviously there are those effects which some magicians who do put the effort to try and learn but find it is not for them. I absolutely meant that in my post and those such as yourself who have been around awhile and know me, understood what I was trying to say. But, there are those such as Pegasus who well he is Pegasus and that's all I need to say in regards to his comment(s), and others such as the Unmasked Magician who a lot of times takes my statements out of context which is fine, it is what it is and I could really care less because there are many more bigger problems in this world. A lot of times my statements are blunt because I'm not that really focused on being politically correct in this ever becoming soft world we live in today. And to you to you Unmasked Magician, if you don't like what I say and it hurts your feelings, well it sounds like you have been in this world a while stating that you are a pro and performing for 20 years which is awesome for you and I mean that, and if that's the case I think you are probably a mature enough person and smart enough to be able to not focus on the little things and simply disregard what I say. It truly works, I do it here all the time. So in answer to your post, I don't care if you think I should tone it down, I really doubt that I'm going to tone it down for someone who comes on here and always writes condescending and arrogant statements in a roundabout and politically correct way. For instance, because I simply agreed with someone's post who responded to something you had said, your post was in a roundabout and sneaky way trying to say I was trying to get people pitted against you. Seriously? I have no need or time to play blogging games. I really suggest putting on a pair of big boy pants because if something as little as post here really gets to you, I can't imagine how you react facing real bigger problems in life. Your posts are very transparent which clearly shines through to me and I'm sure probably others, whether you think so or not. But that's cool, you can do as you like and try to poke fun at me about reactions with my small audiences with MY standards. If that all makes you feel better as a man, by all means please proceed. I'm all about people feeling good about themselves including you. Put things in total perspective for us and tell us your name, performance name would be great, since you openly claim you have been performing on national TV and theaters Etc. That's really cool and great for you! Everyone here knows my name is Bob and I go by Baffling Bob, a name that stuck with me when I started performing out at the age of 9 or so. Just family functions and some church events. I didn't make the choice to go full time professional. I chose to become a Geologist and perform on the side. I do about 2 gigs a month on average which is perfect since I have a full time job and am raising 3 boys. More than that would be to much for me. Now that I gave you my background and have been as transparent as I can be, how about you? Are you going to follow your tag name here and share with us your background and who you really are? Or should you maybe change your name to the MASKED MAGICIAN and choose to hide your story from us? Take care my friend, BOB |
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| Trust me Bob I have been on here since 2004 and I am now at last under my full name after constant trolling because I couldn’t make my true opinions heard through fear of ridicule etc . Finally the powers that be have realised I give an a truly honest take on things in my opinion and that’s what life is all about and helping other magicians who are passionate about the art we all love Gaz 🙂 |
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[quote]On Jun 22, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote: Trust me Bob I have been on here since 2004 and I am now at last under my full name after constant trolling because I couldn’t make my true opinions heard through fear of ridicule etc . Finally the powers that be have realised I give an a truly honest take on things in my opinion and that’s what life is all about and helping other magicians who are passionate about the art we all love Gaz 🙂 [/quote] Sorry but I don't know what your post has to do with being the Unmasked Magician along with the who powers to be finally realizing your opinions are genuine? Whats the powers to be and what influence do they have whether or not you share your name? Also, all the full time professional magicians here use their names as they do not have a concern about what others think on their opinions of effects because they are posting based on their experience with those effects. Pretty much what most do here. Still waiting for the Unmasked Magician to address my response. It seems he is old enough Gaz to respond himself and be able to be transparent. |
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Sorry Bob it doesn’t have anything to do with the unmasked magician or this thread . I was just saying from my own experience it’s better to use my real name on here as too many trolls were pretending to be me and people were actually believing them . Best wishes Gaz 🙂 |
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| Ah! Now I understand. Thanks for the clarification! Now, I have never seen anyone here trying to pretend they were the Unmasked Magician so hopefully he will come on here and respond himself to my previous post. |
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[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote: Sorry Bob it doesn’t have anything to do with the unmasked magician or this thread . I was just saying from my own experience it’s better to use my real name on here as too many trolls were pretending to be me and people were actually believing them . Best wishes Gaz 🙂 [/quote] Sorry for being off topic but I'm confused. How were "trolls" able to pretend to be you? And why couldn't they pretend to be you if you use your own name? What prevented you from using your real name before? Fear of ridicule, not sure what you mean. Since Bob says he understands maybe he can explain it. |
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[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, videoman wrote: [quote]On Jun 23, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote: Sorry Bob it doesn’t have anything to do with the unmasked magician or this thread . I was just saying from my own experience it’s better to use my real name on here as too many trolls were pretending to be me and people were actually believing them . Best wishes Gaz 🙂 [/quote] Sorry for being off topic but I'm confused. How were "trolls" able to pretend to be you? And why couldn't they pretend to be you if you use your own name? What prevented you from using your real name before? Fear of ridicule, not sure what you mean. Since Bob says he understands maybe he can explain it. [/quote] Sorry, I actually am not totally sure what he meant. But I think he meant the Unmasked Magician is not telling us what famous performer he is in fear of being mocked or trolled. But my point is most of the known confident professional performers who have been on TV and traveled the world performing professionally are known here by their actual names. Hopefully the Unmasked one will truly become Unmasked and spill the beans who he is?.?.?. |
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| Is it possible to use multiple gimmicks in a routine like it looks on the trailer ? That's been unclear to me so far. |
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| The Unmasked Magician is actually Karl M. |
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[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, pegasus wrote: The Unmasked Magician is actually Karl M. [/quote] The Karl that was once banned? |
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[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, RNK wrote: [quote]On Jun 23, 2019, pegasus wrote: The Unmasked Magician is actually Karl M. [/quote] The Karl that was once banned? [/quote] Correct. |
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:lol: Nope. I actually haven't got the faintest of clues who that is. @ Bob: judging by the length of your post it seems I hit a nerve. Really, I just want you to stop putting down other magicians. Don't act like the bully in high school by ridiculing people when they have trouble mastering effects, stating that their complaints are not valid because for YOU the effect works "great". I've seen you do that too many times and I noticed it's often because your standards are lower than those of others. Which makes it even more annoying. To end this discussion on a positive note: I think it's great that you feel your 3 boys are more important than magic and I applaud you for choosing to spend more time with them. I personally have never accepted a gig on important days for my kids, like birthdays, schooltrips that I promised to go on with them, etc. So we can agree on the fact that family is the most important thing in life. :cheers: |
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| Magic with a shadow. Very interesting indeed but I can't understand the hype. To perform a trick perfect you need to perform anytime anywhere. With the limitations this trick obviously has I doubt most buyers have these conditions. Most likely they bought it to show it to their fellows at the local magic club, 4 or 5 more lousy performancees and end in the drawer. Maybe in the future someone comes up with a box you can attach to the flashlight and a wheel to choose different shadows to create a magic routine instead of just an effect. Looking forward to it. 😊 |
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[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: :lol: Nope. I actually haven't got the faintest of clues who that is. @ Bob: judging by the length of your post it seems I hit a nerve. Really, I just want you to stop putting down other magicians. Don't act like the bully in high school by ridiculing people when they have trouble mastering effects, stating that their complaints are not valid because for YOU the effect works "great". I've seen you do that too many times and I noticed it's often because your standards are lower than those of others. Which makes it even more annoying. To end this discussion on a positive note: I think it's great that you feel your 3 boys are more important than magic and I applaud you for choosing to spend more time with them. I personally have never accepted a gig on important days for my kids, like birthdays, schooltrips that I promised to go on with them, etc. So we can agree on the fact that family is the most important thing in life. :cheers: [/quote] No Karl, actually just the opposite, because now that I know it's you I know there's not much to your posts any way to be worthy of reading. Sorry you feel bullied and like I said before put a big pair of pants on and wipe the tears because there's bigger things in life to worry about. Take care my friend and feel free to get the last word in because this will be my last post to you. |
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[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, RNK wrote: No Karl, actually just the opposite, because now that I know it's you I know there's not much to your posts any way to be worthy of reading. [/quote] This is why so many people stay away from this place. Constant bickering. And now you "know" it's actually Karl M because pegasus (who is nothing if not sarcastic) claims it is. But of course, I don't believe you really think it's Karl M, you are too intelligent for that. You just want to bait TUM. Can we stop the back and forth and get back to discussing this shadow effect please? |
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[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, videoman wrote: [quote]On Jun 23, 2019, RNK wrote: No Karl, actually just the opposite, because now that I know it's you I know there's not much to your posts any way to be worthy of reading. [/quote] This is why so many people stay away from this place. Constant bickering. And now you "know" it's actually Karl M because pegasus (who is nothing if not sarcastic) claims it is. But of course, I don't believe you really think it's Karl M, you are too intelligent for that. You just want to bait TUM. Can we stop the back and forth and get back to discussing this shadow effect please? [/quote] No, they don't come here because of posts like Karl's that are nonsense and totally misleading. Including accusatory posts to people that are totally nonsense as well, not to mention that have nothing to do with the effects. That's what has to stop. And I actually do believe its Karl M judging by his posts, very similar in BS. |
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| I was joking about Karl M by the way. |
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| You guys know how far you left the topic? |
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| It always happens, their ego gets involved and nothing else matters... |
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[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, Frank Fantastic wrote: Is it possible to use multiple gimmicks in a routine like it looks on the trailer ? That's been unclear to me so far. [/quote] No. There are just 2 rings included. You can mount 1 shadow per ring, only 1 pivoting gimmick. With some craftsmanship maybe you can build you own rings |
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| Has anyone else done this real world yet? |
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[quote]On Jun 24, 2019, IAIN wrote: It always happens, their ego gets involved and nothing else matters... [/quote] No man thinks there is much ado about nothing when the ado is about himself. :innocent: But since you popped up here, Iain: how do you like Silhouette so far (I take it you received it and started playing with it)? Genuinely interested in if you find it practical. |
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Not had chance to play test it yet... But quality build... But got two presentations to work with... |
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| Ok. I'd be interested in hearing how you get along with it down the road. (I think it's really poetic, beautiful and surprising. I just don't see any oppurtunities for myself to perform this. I've been checking lately and even finding the right wall with enough space seems a challenge at most gigs I do. Let alone daylight, etc...) |
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| I think this might be worth testing casting the shadow across a table or floor instead... |
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| Smart thinking! That would open up a lot of new performance areas, literally. You do need to arrange your spectators to be positioned quite specifically then. Especially at a table. I almost would imagine they cannot be seated themselves at the table you perform on? |
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| I think it's more me positioning myself... Its not for table hopping as far as I'm concerned.. |
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If you are in a dim place where their table is near a wall, then I'm sure you can manage. Would certainly be something that grabs everyone's attention in the venue. But still, I have to agree that table hopping is generally wont be the best way to perform this. However if you're doing parlor, strolling or street magic, this is PERFECT (obviously better at night). That's where I plan on doing this once I get everything down. Will definitely take quite a bit of practice to make it look as good as Tobias does it. But well worth the effort imo. As far as restrictions go, being able to only take 2 shadows with you is perfectly fine (without needing to bring any tools). Sure it would be nice if you could easily swap shadows, but I think 2 is fine. Also imo, the ease of getting into and out of the effect makes up for that. I haven't gotten around to playing with it much yet, but I think going out of your way to get a phone case is worth it. I will try to master it without one, but the case will certainly make life easier. Anyway, I personally always weigh how strong an effect is vs ease of use, preparation, reset, practicality ect. And with an effect this magical, I'd say it is well worth the effort to be able to perform this. Just my 2 cents. |
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| What about ceilings? They’re almost always white. |
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| That makes a lot of sense, actually. |
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| "Sir, could you please remove that big chandelier? It's for a magic trick." :rotf: |
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[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: "Sir, could you please remove that big chandelier? It's for a magic trick." :rotf: [/quote] You obviously perform for Royalty. Lol. |
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[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, pegasus wrote: You obviously perform for Royalty. Lol. [/quote] And at casino's with questionable taste. |
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| Anyone got any tips on how to use this with plus size phone? I got difficulty in using the "scissors" gimmick, with Galaxy note 9. |
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[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, pegasus wrote: [quote]On Jun 25, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: "Sir, could you please remove that big chandelier? It's for a magic trick." :rotf: [/quote] You obviously perform for Royalty. Lol. [/quote] OR chavs.... is that PC? |
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| Having so much fun with this especially the holding of the spectators finger routine ,it’s awesome love it |
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Hey guys, I would like to inform you that we added some additional handlings and ideas that go over smaller hands and/or bigger phones. You can watch it by logging in the product page, the same way you watched the original instructions. Best regards, Titanas |
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| Good to see Murphys also cares for the physically challenged magician. :wavey: |
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Now that I had some time to practice and perform this, it has been my absolute favorite effect. I really hope they release an extension pack with different silhouettes. MP |
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| Great to hear. What circumstances exactly do you perform this in? Social, paid gigs? Indoor, outdoor, daytime/evening? One on one, parlour? Curious because of the specific nature of this routine. |
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| Titanas, thanks for the heads up about Murphy's extra video "assist" for people with, um, small hands. While I appreciate Murphy going the extra mile to help extend the appeal of this amazing gimmick and effect, I have to say that the video had me in stitches. The magician presenting the "fix" (sorry, I no longer remember his name) basically says, "Hey, we covered what to do with smaller hands and bigger phones already, but we're going to give you a few extra words of advice." Then he proceeded to explain how to design a nuclear submarine. All you need to re-engineer this gimmick so that it will work is: 20 tools, a well-lighted space, two hours of your time, and enough patience to fill a department store. In the end, I came away unsure whether the Rube Goldberg contraption would really work, but convinced that, in the right context, simulated earnestness can be funnier than the best stand-up or slapstick. Bless you for being so responsive to your customers, but even more for making me laugh. |
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| :lol: that review cracked me up. Thank you. |
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| The best reviewer out there (as far as I'm concerned), Steve Faulkner, has done a great review on this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYxbsYLHI9Y |
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| I received it two days ago and Im shocked ! I can’t stop practicing. It has so much potential. This is the type of magic I love! Thank you mr Dostal! |
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The idea is good, but the gimmick expensive. Hard to spend so much money on a gimmick and a fixed animation. The gimmick is not difficult to understand since Moto Mods already offers something similar, it would simply need to add an additional L / S. Too bad that the effect can not follow us rather than follow the fixed effect. Moreover, Silhouette is not suitable for the workers, except the artists who intervene on stage. Do we imagine a close-up to encourage viewers to come closer to a wall to see an effect? Clearly no. Especially since many constraints limit the effect: dark place, solid wall and white. You will need to have the cover for your cell phone, be honest without it does not work without cover. The price is high for what you receive. It's not something everyone can do easily. Finally, viewers can easily guess how it works if your angle is not good. The whole thing requires a lot of work, especially the "animated" gimmicks (map, glasses, pink). |
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[quote]On Jul 22, 2019, Hervé Troccaz wrote: The idea is good, but the gimmick expensive. Hard to spend so much money on a gimmick and a fixed animation. The gimmick is not difficult to understand since Moto Mods already offers something similar, it would simply need to add an additional L / S. Too bad that the effect can not follow us rather than follow the fixed effect. Moreover, Silhouette is not suitable for the workers, except the artists who intervene on stage. Do we imagine a close-up to encourage viewers to come closer to a wall to see an effect? Clearly no. Especially since many constraints limit the effect: dark place, solid wall and white. You will need to have the cover for your cell phone, be honest without it does not work without cover. The price is high for what you receive. It's not something everyone can do easily. Finally, viewers can easily guess how it works if your angle is not good. The whole thing requires a lot of work, especially the "animated" gimmicks (map, glasses, pink). [/quote] I will be as respectful as possible. You said that moto mods does something similar (motomods is a pr****or) and you also said that you need to follow the animation rather than the animation follows you and that spectators can see how it works. I am sure it will fool them, it fooled you even after 21 pages of this thread after some massive exposure. For what you receive (there are a lot of stuff in the box) this is very cheap, I am surprised you think it’s expensive even though you imply it’s a pr*****or, if it was that, there would have been at least 10 times more expensive :) Best regards, Titanas |
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[quote]On Jul 23, 2019, Titanas wrote: I am sure it will fool them, it fooled you even after 21 pages of this thread after some massive exposure. Best regards, Titanas [/quote] :rotf: TITANAS FOR THE WIN! |
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[quote]On Jul 22, 2019, Hervé Troccaz wrote: The idea is good, but the gimmick expensive. Hard to spend so much money on a gimmick and a fixed animation. The gimmick is not difficult to understand since Moto Mods already offers something similar, it would simply need to add an additional L / S. Too bad that the effect can not follow us rather than follow the fixed effect. Moreover, Silhouette is not suitable for the workers, except the artists who intervene on stage. Do we imagine a close-up to encourage viewers to come closer to a wall to see an effect? Clearly no. Especially since many constraints limit the effect: dark place, solid wall and white. You will need to have the cover for your cell phone, be honest without it does not work without cover. The price is high for what you receive. It's not something everyone can do easily. Finally, viewers can easily guess how it works if your angle is not good. The whole thing requires a lot of work, especially the "animated" gimmicks (map, glasses, pink). [/quote] You’ve got like 6 other fake profiles on the Café now. You repeatedly jump on older threads with your fake profiles and “offer” nonsensical Post for what I assume to create activity under those fake profiles. You’ve got a bogus app you are trying to sell. Café has rules you know. Try investing in some real marketing material. Green machine is too small of an audience for that to work. |
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| Ah. Didn’t notice that yet. That would explain a lot. |
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I’ve witnessed a Silhouette workshop at Fabiolus-Magic in Berlin with Tobias. This guy is out of this world, very creative, funny, a good teacher and VERY CREATIVE. He works and lives Silhouette. This piece and what he has done with it... it’s exceptional. We had a lot of fun. His routines reflect good humor but also stunning poetry. Let me assure you that it works also without a flip case cover although I still prefer a flip case (for better angles). I‘am sure Tobias will be on top of the magic world soon - he deserves it. Hervé Troccaz your assumptions are simply not true. Try to invest some work in things that push you forward in live. |
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[quote]On Jul 23, 2019, ArtIn wrote: I’ve witnessed a Silhouette workshop at Fabiolus-Magic in Berlin with Tobias. This guy is out of this world, very creative, funny, a good teacher and VERY CREATIVE. He works and lives Silhouette. This piece and what he has done with it... it’s exceptional. We had a lot of fun. His routines reflect good humor but also stunning poetry. Let me assure you that it works also without a flip case cover although I still prefer a flip case (for better angles). I‘am sure Tobias will be on top of the magic world soon - he deserves it. Hervé Troccaz your assumptions are simply not true. Try to invest some work in things that push you forward in live. [/quote] Exactly! Very well stated ArtIn. |
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| Just for clarity I know Magicbox also do a "no quibble returns" policy on all products as well. |
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| Shout out to Tobias Dostal for coming up with something original and different amid all the other routine magic tricks being reinvented and released these days. It requires a lot of practice to perfect it, but once you do, its a great performance piece. |
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| Can you borrow the spectator's phone to do the effect? |
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[quote]On Oct 25, 2019, JOurneyjoe wrote: Can you borrow the spectator's phone to do the effect? [/quote] This was answered a few pages back. Please spend some time researching and you will find all answers. |
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| It would have been very easy to include a "yes" or a "no" along with the rest of your reply. I had read through the thread but missed this. Sorry about that but thanks however for taking the time to answer. |
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Yes.. Could be done with borrowed phone. the gimmick is not a phone. |
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| How clean are you left at the end of the effect? |
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[quote]On Oct 25, 2019, JOurneyjoe wrote: It would have been very easy to include a "yes" or a "no" along with the rest of your reply. I had read through the thread but missed this. Sorry about that but thanks however for taking the time to answer. [/quote] JOurneyjoe. Unfortunately snotty replies here tend to be just as common as the helpful ones. |
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[quote]On Nov 27, 2019, mndude wrote: [quote]On Oct 25, 2019, JOurneyjoe wrote: It would have been very easy to include a "yes" or a "no" along with the rest of your reply. I had read through the thread but missed this. Sorry about that but thanks however for taking the time to answer. [/quote] JOurneyjoe. Unfortunately snotty replies here tend to be just as common as the helpful ones. [/quote] Nothing snotty about his reply at all. |
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I have a pixel 3 XL, and the flash is having an odd effect, it appears the light is refracting around the fingers so you get 1 central silhouette and another 2 fainter silhouettes. I may have a 3 bulb flash I guess. It doesn't appear to be practicably solved by lengthening distance from the phone. It's disappointing to be honest. Anything which involves my real hand coming up to meet the silhouette will have a tell: my well-defined shadow is oddly different to what's already on the wall. Anyone got any suggestions for cheap Androids, with powerful flashes, that this works well for? To give a well-defined shadow? What size iPhones does this work best on? I could seek an Android a similar size. |
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Hi there, This have been covered in the instructions but if you can find it please pm me or send a message to Tobias. There’s a very easy fix :) |
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| Would be great to have Tobias contact details. A google search bring up an artist who may or may not be Tobias. Days are getting longer, want to hit it while I have the gloom. |
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He is very approachable on Instagram and Facebook. Best regards, Titanas |
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[quote]On Jun 16, 2019, Dominic Reyes wrote: [quote]On Jun 14, 2019, RNK wrote: I for one am having a ball with this! Love practicing it as well, so much fun!! I do believe I will get a flip case to help with the angles. Though, you can definitely do it with a borrowed phone, I would feel my comfortable with the flip case. And for me, this effect is so neat and different that I will add the flip case. BritishMagic, I definitely can understand what you are saying, if your hands are to small this definitely would make performing this and trying to hide the method much more difficult. Hope it's your phone size and you can get a smaller one. [/quote] RNK: Did you pick up a phone case? If so, did that make it a lot easier for you? BritishMagic: Did you try a smaller phone? [/quote] Dominic, I did pick up a phone case a while ago but didn't respond to you because I wanted to work it extensively first. Buy YES, it definitely makes this so much easier to perform and helps with one of the bad angles. Are you using this and if so, with a case? RNK |
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[quote]On Jan 20, 2020, Titanas wrote: He is very approachable on Instagram and Facebook. Best regards, Titanas [/quote] Yes Tobias gave me a solution. It works perfffectly. Seems to be setting himself up for every success, great product, good instructions and caring. |