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Topic: Which hand? giveaway
Message: Posted by: Arthur T (Jun 9, 2019 03:34PM)
Hello everyone,

For the next 2 days I'm going to be giving away a which hand routine I've been performing for roughly 2/3 years. If you would like a review copy just send me a pm and Ill post a link out to you. Itll will only be available for 2 days and then the link will be disabled. It a super simple routine that anyone could perform and it completely turns the which hand plot on its head.

Don't be afraid o get in touch :)
Message: Posted by: Stunninger (Jun 9, 2019 04:16PM)
What a clever approach to the which hand plot! Very nice combination of methods and choreography to justify each step.

Thank you very much for sharing, Arthur!
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jun 9, 2019 04:43PM)
Yup agreed.... very well thought out, I like the original handling taught the most...

very well explained
other handlings are taught
works 100% of the time (all the time, panther fans)
smart thinking
its a nice mix of a prediction, finished with a separate reveal
it all makes sense
you only need a single blank business card or similar
presentation builds

what's not to like!

well played, Arthur...

whatever is next, I hope you're 3 for 3...

maybe don't give the next one away - there's no harm in charging for quality...
Message: Posted by: John C (Jun 9, 2019 08:06PM)
Brilliant! So many ways to use this. Makes
Me wonder now why I have so much electro gear 😂

Good idea never seen used before.
Message: Posted by: Chollet (Jun 9, 2019 10:55PM)
Love it! A great way to get so much more out of a rather standard plot. Looking forward to trying it tomorrow :)
Message: Posted by: Last Laugh (Jun 10, 2019 01:14AM)
It's good!

It's straight forward, practical and well routined.

'Arthur' certainly knows what's up.
Message: Posted by: mindhunter (Jun 10, 2019 05:05AM)
PMs not working..

I love this plot; good luck with the release.

Bryn
Message: Posted by: TheGingerWizard (Jun 10, 2019 05:28AM)
Just wanted to echo the comments of others above. I really liked Arthurs p**k so I was interested in his thoughts on the which hand plot. I thought it was excellent, I like his style, its well thought out and practical. Everything is well motivated and it is ready to go anytime, anywhere. Ive tried it out a couple of times today and it plays great. Its obvious Arthur actually uses this stuff and doesn't just sit off thinking about it.

I agree that now, after these two offerings he should charge for his ideas but I admire the confidence he has shown in his work by doing things this way. If his other ideas are as good as the stuff he has shared he cant go far wrong.
Message: Posted by: Wravyn (Jun 10, 2019 08:08AM)
A thank you is the first thing I wish to say to Arthur T, for sharing this with me.
There is a routine I have been working on and Arthur Tís handling of a which hand plot may be the icing on the cake. Who knows, I may just leave the cake and keep the icing!
Not only is it simple, it is 100% in the end. If Theo Annemann weíre still around, this is something he would have wanted to put into The Jinx.
Arthur, your generosity of sharing this and your peek is appreciated. Thank you again.
Message: Posted by: Waters. (Jun 10, 2019 08:24AM)
Really, really nice work. I have bought several routines that have a similar appearance (which hand with a billet). This is my favorite of these. Brilliant combination of layers.
Message: Posted by: Crossroads Mystic (Jun 10, 2019 08:35AM)
Wow! I have to say I wasnít expecting a 24 minute, nicely shot, video. Thank you Arthur!
I really like how the procedure folds in both the Which Hand plot and the reveal of the other bit of information. And really that bit of info could be so many different things. Iím thinking about using this with a book test.

Thanks again!
Message: Posted by: Arthur T (Jun 10, 2019 11:27AM)
WOW!! Thanks for the feedback guys, I love performing this routine but I wasn't convinced others would like it. Thanks for proofing me wrong :)

I've now replied to everyone in my Inbox, I wasn't quite expecting to get this many replies - Which hand is obviously a popular plot!

If anyones messaged me and not got a reply my inbox has filled up numerous times and I may have not got it or missed it among all the other messages, I'm sorry in this case I don't mean to be rude.

Due to time constraints Ill only be giving this away till 12 UK time if someone wants to see it. Ill be disabling the link a few hours afterwards so If youv'e got a link please watch it as I would hate for you too miss out.

Yet again guys thanks for the support, Im glad this idea hasn't gone overlooked :)
Message: Posted by: Frank Yuen (Jun 10, 2019 12:00PM)
Hope you guys out there see this in time. It's truly practical and a worker. Keep a few blank cards in your wallet and you are always ready with a solid routine. Arthur mentions his inspirations and I think he's taken them a step further with his routine.
Message: Posted by: Alexxander (Jun 10, 2019 12:05PM)
Thank you very much for sharing, Arthur.
This a great routine!

I think we have a case of independent creation though, because I started developing a very similar routine with the exact same method in 2014 and have performed it since ever since in virtually all my private engagements and all of our theatre shows.

I also sent a rough draft of a manuscript to a Sudo and a few other people here two years ago.
Check your inbox and take a look Arthur, I sent you my complete handling with some interesting additional touches... you might like what I did with it! :)

Now, I have never released anything to the mentalism community, but I was strongly considering selling it at some point.
I'm surely not the kind of guy who wants to fight over ownership of this routine, and it is clearly not a case of theft, because we both took the idea in different directions...

I am honestly not sure what to do, how do people usually settle this kind of thing? :D

If you intend to market this, let me know and maybe we can work on something together?
I have a few other ideas with this principle...
Message: Posted by: dyoung (Jun 10, 2019 12:09PM)
I can't really add anything that others haven't already said. It's a nice idea! You get a lot out of very little.

Good luck with this Arthur!

All the best,
Dan
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jun 10, 2019 12:31PM)
[quote]On Jun 10, 2019, Alexxander wrote:


I am honestly not sure what to do, how do people usually settle this kind of thing? :D

If you intend to market this, let me know and maybe we can work on something together?
I have a few other ideas with this principle... [/quote]

In my opinion, and it's unfortunate, but Arthur has gone to market first and its not been in print before, so in this case, Arthur is first.

And I agree, it's independently created.

So if you release yours, then maybe its best you both credit each others routine and leave it at that. Cite the differences and similarities.

That's my view, based on others releasing things that are very similar to some of my things. And vice versa.
Message: Posted by: mike hopley (Jun 10, 2019 12:32PM)
A delightful approach to the which hand plot, explained with total clarity and meticulous attention to those details of presentation which make all the difference.
Thanks very much, Arthur, for sharing this.
Message: Posted by: ed wood (Jun 10, 2019 12:37PM)
Perfectly created routine. Obviously audience tested and structured so as to never become confusing. No need for tricky questions where an audience member could make a mistake. This is something people will use, perfect for an impromptu situation. Good job.

P.S Am I the only one driven to distraction by background music on instructional video? :)
Message: Posted by: dj (Jun 10, 2019 12:52PM)
I really like Arthur's Which Hand routine.
So easy in the method, but so good.
Thanks Arthur.
Message: Posted by: Mr. F (Jun 10, 2019 12:59PM)
I like this a lot! Simple, direct, and workable. Thank you, Arthur!!

Josh
Message: Posted by: Alexxander (Jun 10, 2019 01:15PM)
[quote]On Jun 10, 2019, IAIN wrote:

In my opinion, and it's unfortunate, but Arthur has gone to market first and its not been in print before, so in this case, Arthur is first.

And I agree, it's independently created.

So if you release yours, then maybe its best you both credit each others routine and leave it at that. Cite the differences and similarities.

That's my view, based on others releasing things that are very similar to some of my things. And vice versa. [/quote]




Thank you IAIN for answering!


Yeah, that's how it will be, Arthur will release his Routine on his own.

When he has published it, I will think about whether I also want to sell my approach or if I simply share my handling (which is developed for stage performance and includes several additional mind reading "reveals" instead of a prediction) with the owners of Arthur's product...


In any case, this is a really flexible and practical concept, If you don't get the link from Arthur, make sure to check it out when it's out. :)
Message: Posted by: Penduluminary (Jun 10, 2019 01:16PM)
This is one to use. Visual and fun. Great video presentation. Thanks Arthur!
Message: Posted by: Arthur T (Jun 10, 2019 01:38PM)
Thank you for being such a gentleman Alex!

If you want to release your own thoughts on the concept in the future you definitely have my blessing and encouragement, It certainly can be taking in so many directions.
Message: Posted by: Sudo Nimh (Jun 10, 2019 01:46PM)
I haven't seen Arthur's routine (or requested it) so I can't comment on how similar/dissimilar the two may be, but I can verify that Alexxander shared his routine with me roughly two years ago. I thought it was an interesting and practical bit of work and told him as much.
Message: Posted by: ringmaster (Jun 10, 2019 02:57PM)
50 / 50, big deal.
Message: Posted by: Arthur T (Jun 10, 2019 03:03PM)
Hey ringmaster,

If you want to see the effect just send me a message. The effect definitely isnít 50/50. I have know idea what the odds are with this but it would be high!
Message: Posted by: TheGingerWizard (Jun 10, 2019 03:07PM)
[quote]On Jun 10, 2019, ringmaster wrote:
50 / 50, big deal. [/quote]

Im guessing you havent seen it? This particular routine is far from 50/50, that's one of the things I really like about it. So, that comment made you look a bit daft to be honest!
Message: Posted by: Sudo Nimh (Jun 10, 2019 03:55PM)
I've just finished watching Arthur's video.

A few thoughts:

The [i]core[/i] concept which makes the routine work is [i]precisely[/i] the same as Alexxander's. Without it, neither routine will function.

When Alexxander shared his routine with me two years ago, he told me that he'd already been using it for some time in his shows which is the reason why he wasn't keen on publishing it - he wanted to keep it as [i]his own[/i]. It's unfortunate that the routine has now been made available and I feel for him in this regard. That's one of the concerns with holding onto one's material for too long - someone else may independently come up with the same idea and beat you to publication, and when they do, it can often become 'messy'. It's nice to see that both Alexxander and Arthur have handled the situation with grace and dignity. My hat's off to both of you.

That said, it's nice to see Arthur continuing to share here. I think it's fair to say that I know all too well that it can be a lot of work to do so and I applaud his spirit of generosity. In fairness, Arthur has offered a few touches of his own to the idea which clearly indicate that it most certainly is a case of independent creation.

I've performed this routine a number of times since Alexxander first confided with me and it really plays very well - I love it. In fact, I was jamming with Alain Nu last year on the subject of the 'Which Hand' plot and had to bite my tongue so as not to tip this routine after he shared an idea that Raj Madhok passed on to both of us. It provides an additional powerful kicker and fits this [i]perfectly[/i]. I'd love to say a little more about it, but I'm not at liberty to as it isn't mine.

If I may, I'll offer a little tip: The peek used here certainly works fine, but it would be much better if you [i]never[/i] had to take the billet behind your back at all. I use Docc's [i]Switchblade[/i] peek for this purpose. It offers a slightly larger amount of viewing/writing space and is done completely in the open with the billet at your finger tips. Best of all, it is easy to cover from any angle and the participant [i]knows[/i] that the info is 'locked'.

Check out Docc performing the move in 'real-time" here:

[youtube]uiRfhdOlvcQ[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: Sudo Nimh (Jun 10, 2019 04:40PM)
Same.

But just to be clear...Alexxander was doing this first - and in actual shows. He wrote it up and sent it to me over two years ago. I think that's important to note. I don't buy into the whole "Well so and so wrote it up first" nonsense if one has proof that it's been done before.

Not to take anything away from Arthur's generosity here, but a fact is a fact.
Message: Posted by: Alexxander (Jun 10, 2019 04:53PM)
Thanks for your kind words, Sudo.
The routine has actually changed quite a bit since I shared it with you, but I am very happy to hear that you performed it :)

The idea of Raj Madhok sounds intriguing... you are teasing us! :D




Another idea to consider:
This method also works very well for a prevaricator-type routine - instead of two hand, you can use two people!
The lie detector plot fits very nicely, it's 100% surefire and you have a succinct climax. :)
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jun 10, 2019 04:54PM)
[quote]On Jun 10, 2019, Sudo Nimh wrote:
Same.

But just to be clear...Alexxander was doing this first - and in actual shows. He wrote it up and sent it to me over two years ago. I think that's important to note. I don't buy into the whole "Well so and so wrote it up first" nonsense if one has proof that it's been done before.

Not to take anything away from Arthur's generosity here, but a fact is a fact. [/quote]

its the way though...and imagine telling someone like millard longman that you'd been using A.N. four years before he put out his work...
Message: Posted by: Arthur T (Jun 10, 2019 04:55PM)
The principle in play I've been using for a very long time (I used it in a different way along time ago with a drawing dup/imp pad) so It unclear to say whos been using first. I started using it after seeing Colin Mcleod Penguin Live lecture which I think was out in 2013 although I think I probably had the idea a little later sometime around 2014. Regardless it doesn't matter, the giveaway has ended as it not fair on Alexxander to give our shared idea away.
Message: Posted by: TheGingerWizard (Jun 10, 2019 05:02PM)
Nobody ever believes me when I tell them Jim Morrison was crouched outside my front door with his ear to my letterbox when I wrote riders on the storm. When they point out he died over ten years before I was born its clear to me that they are just cynical naysayers with a hidden agenda. What can you do?!
Message: Posted by: Sudo Nimh (Jun 10, 2019 05:10PM)
That's probably the best idea Arthur. Perhaps the two of you can collaborate and release it together. I'm not disputing [i]when[/i] you conceived the idea. I was simply pointing out that the idea had been shared privately by Alexxander long before you shared your work here - that's all. Frankly, I dislike being caught in the middle of this. Best of wishes to you both.

[quote]On Jun 10, 2019, Alexxander wrote:
This method also works very well for a prevaricator-type routine - instead of two hand, you can use two people!

The lie detector plot fits very nicely, it's 100% surefire and you have a succinct climax. :) [/quote]

That's precisely how I was framing it as well, Alexxander. I really wish I could share the Madhok idea with you because it ties into this beautifully. Some kickers are anti-climactic or are simply tacked on "because they can", but with this one neither is true; it perfectly supports the premise and is entirely logical.
Message: Posted by: Alexxander (Jun 10, 2019 05:19PM)
Ahhh, come on, let's not debate any longer about whose routine it is.

It is now simply an idea for all of us to enjoy and play with!

Arthur and I have an agreement, I will be credited and all is fine.

Yes, we both came up with it - but Arthur already filmed a really good video which is ready to go.
I don't even have the resources right now to produce such a high quality release.
At some point in the future, when I get around to writing it up again, I will offer to share my own ideas on this concept with the community, and that's that. :)


Now back to topic :O
Message: Posted by: bevbevvybev (Jun 10, 2019 05:28PM)
Nice to see some civility around here!
Message: Posted by: Sudo Nimh (Jun 10, 2019 05:38PM)
[quote]On Jun 10, 2019, Alexxander wrote:
Ahhh, come on, let's not debate any longer about whose routine it is.

It is now simply an idea for all of us to enjoy and play with!

Arthur and I have an agreement, I will be credited and all is fine.

[/quote]

Perfect. :)
Message: Posted by: Shaukat (Jun 10, 2019 06:16PM)
[quote]On Jun 10, 2019, Alexxander wrote:
Ahhh, come on, let's not debate any longer about whose routine it is.

It is now simply an idea for all of us to enjoy and play with!

Arthur and I have an agreement, I will be credited and all is fine.

Now back to topic :O [/quote]

Alexander... You are a Gent!


I like this plot (and murder mystery) a lot and try to explore it as much as I can. Arthur was very kind to share it with me. It's a very well-structured routine that I'll definitely perform. I was aware of the main idea, but I could never justify its usage. Arthur's choreography takes care of everything perfectly. But, that's just one part of it. The entire routine is well thought out and it's obvious that Arthur has been using it for a long time.

Thank you so much for sharing it with the community Arthur. Much Appreciated.
Message: Posted by: Stunninger (Jun 10, 2019 07:14PM)
[quote]On Jun 10, 2019, bevbevvybev wrote:
Nice to see some civility around here! [/quote]
+ 1
Message: Posted by: Sudo Nimh (Jun 10, 2019 07:55PM)
[quote]On Jun 10, 2019, Arthur T wrote:
Hey ringmaster,

If you want to see the effect just send me a message. The effect definitely isnít 50/50. I have know idea what the odds are with this but it would be high! [/quote]

Arthur, thought you might like to know:

The effect breaks down to a 6.25% chance of being successful under the conditions you have detailed - for the one aspect.

For the other part? Supposedly [i]impossible[/i]. ;)
Message: Posted by: reese (Jun 10, 2019 07:57PM)
A great idea that I will use & explore in different ways. And thanks to both Arthur and Alexander for being real gents.
Message: Posted by: yachanin (Jun 11, 2019 12:49AM)
Hi All,

I was lucky enough to get a copy and must concur with what others have said. This is a very flexible routine that allows you to inject your own style and creativity. I already have an idea that fits my performing persona. Thanks for sharing, Arthur T!

Regards, Steve
Message: Posted by: paranormal (Jun 11, 2019 06:32AM)
This is a really cool idea that is customisable. The closest thing I can think of with this basic principle is very fair or oculus. I think the strongest point is everything is predicted. I will be using this
Message: Posted by: rmorrell (Jun 11, 2019 06:39AM)
A great routine that manages to get the most out of a simple and motivated action, I can't wait to try this out, thanks Arthur for your generosity.
Message: Posted by: John7 (Jun 11, 2019 01:32PM)
Agree with everyone above. Easy to do yet deceptive. Looking forward to trying this out. Thanks Arthur.
Message: Posted by: Sparrowhwk (Jun 12, 2019 02:34AM)
This is a well thought out and flexible idea. A good training video that is thorough enough to ensure you learn what you need to know to take this and form it to your style.
A nice combination of methods with a lot of potential.
Great work, thank you!!!!
Message: Posted by: Sean Mann (Jun 12, 2019 05:00AM)
D'oh! Missed out. Love 'Which Hand' routines. Next release Arthur?
Message: Posted by: Bartelli (Jun 12, 2019 11:28AM)
For sale now?
Message: Posted by: Sethekk (Jun 12, 2019 01:12PM)
Thanks for the generous offer.
I loved the scripting and natural hand movements while getting the peek, definitely inspired me to work on those aspects in my performances.
Keep up the great work!
Message: Posted by: domclarke (Jun 12, 2019 01:33PM)
Just to add to the above comments - thanks Arthur for sharing this. I wasn't expecting a comprehensive video, which was excellent and everything very natural. I like that it builds to a natural climax using the same theme.
Great stuff. Cheers!
Message: Posted by: Peter GrŲning (Jun 13, 2019 06:05AM)
Arthur,
Thankís for sharing this.
Itís a wonderful idea, simply brilliant.
My best wishes,
Peter
Message: Posted by: mindguru (Jun 13, 2019 02:56PM)
Iím not the biggest fan of the which hand plot, but I really like this routine. Everything is simple and justified.

A freebie, but could easily have been marketed.
Message: Posted by: Freddan (Jun 13, 2019 04:51PM)
What a fantastic routine. I like it and will use it. Thankís Arthur for your generosity

Regards, Fredrik
Message: Posted by: Arthur T (Jul 17, 2019 07:46PM)
For the people who have contacted me privately looking for a copy, this is now available at http://mindofmagic.co.uk/products/overlooked/

I hope you guys like it!
Message: Posted by: Mr. Mindbender (Jul 25, 2019 08:23PM)
I got this a few weeks ago, but have just had time recently to try it out - really nice job, Arthur. It's a clean, simple, and direct - my favorite kind of approach. Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Julian Kestrel (Aug 2, 2019 07:21AM)
Sorry to have missed d this. Would love to see it.

J