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Topic: Mnemonica by Suits Practice Video
Message: Posted by: Josepher (Jul 18, 2019 08:01AM)
Https://youtu.be/Euyf12yZUA8

A few years ago I created and posted this video for my own use in learning the positions of cards in the Mnemonica by suits.

It is not a teaching vid. It is a practice video. You already need to have learned the stack.

No audio needed, there is all the text you need on-screen. Enjoy.
Message: Posted by: rickreation (Aug 30, 2019 06:32PM)
Thank you for this!
Message: Posted by: mimo67 (Sep 1, 2019 05:12AM)
Thanks for sharing, really usefull !
Message: Posted by: dclxvinyc (Sep 25, 2019 03:18AM)
I use mnemonica regularly and I also work in nightlife. So I often have trouble sleeping. I would do drills like this in my head to help me fall asleep!

All the 2's etc
All the diamonds
All the diamonds backwards
Every other card
Imagine dealing into two piles. What would the second pile be from bottom to top
Going through New Deck Order in my mind, thinking of the mnemonica position of each (51, 2, 28, 5 etc)

These are super helpful things to do! Thank you for sharing your video!
Message: Posted by: Josepher (Sep 25, 2019 07:45AM)
Thanks for all the kind words, folks. I also use a similar technique when I can't sleep. I mentally recite the order backwards. I never make it thru the deck.
Message: Posted by: dclxvinyc (Sep 25, 2019 12:16PM)
Backwards is so helpful.

When I do borrowed decks, I ask spectators to shuffle the cards and distribute the cards randomly among everyone. So each person is holding 5-10 cards.
"I will attempt something a bit odd. Who has the nine of diamonds? Good, please put it face down on the table. The ace of hearts? Face down on top of that. I will hereby endeavor to recite each of the cards in random order, quickly and without much thought. I shall do my best to miss none of them, which you will be able to verify with whether or not you are holding cards when I am through. Also, I shall do my best to not name a single card twice. Each time I name a card, if you will please put it face down, on top of the preceding cards. Ok, let's continue with the six of clubs."

This is already a great feat in and of itself, of memory. You can do it blindfolded. I've done it over Skype for my wife's family in Poland. They assemble the deck in mnemonica for me. Then I can ask each of the spectators to cut the deck once and complete the cut, satisfying themselves that I cannot possibly be aware of the order of the deck.

My friend does it for parlor and large settings and forces the top three mnemonica cards from a shuffled deck before hand. And when doing the memory stunt, he stops three cards short and asks if he's got them all. The answer is no, there are three cards left. He calls on the spectators from earlier, asking "earlier I asked you each to pick cards. Can you please tell me what they were."
Ladies and gentlemen, the Seven of Diamonds, Two of Hearts and Four of Clubs.

You may also find it helpful to work with the deck with the ace of spades cut to the bottom. Some decks from Ellusionist and Theory 11 (also cherry casinos) come in mnemonica order, but with the ace of spades cut to the bottom. This is so when opening a fresh pack, taking off the plastic, taking the cards out of the box, you can flash the bottom card and it looks for all the world like you're in new deck order. Then a few false shuffles and you're still in stack.
Message: Posted by: Rpascual (Sep 25, 2019 06:49PM)
[quote]On Sep 25, 2019, dclxvinyc wrote:
Backwards is so helpful.

When I do borrowed decks, I ask spectators to shuffle the cards and distribute the cards randomly among everyone. So each person is holding 5-10 cards.
"I will attempt something a bit odd. Who has the nine of diamonds? Good, please put it face down on the table. The ace of hearts? Face down on top of that. I will hereby endeavor to recite each of the cards in random order, quickly and without much thought. I shall do my best to miss none of them, which you will be able to verify with whether or not you are holding cards when I am through. Also, I shall do my best to not name a single card twice. Each time I name a card, if you will please put it face down, on top of the preceding cards. Ok, let's continue with the six of clubs."

This is already a great feat in and of itself, of memory. You can do it blindfolded. I've done it over Skype for my wife's family in Poland. They assemble the deck in mnemonica for me. Then I can ask each of the spectators to cut the deck once and complete the cut, satisfying themselves that I cannot possibly be aware of the order of the deck.

My friend does it for parlor and large settings and forces the top three mnemonica cards from a shuffled deck before hand. And when doing the memory stunt, he stops three cards short and asks if he's got them all. The answer is no, there are three cards left. He calls on the spectators from earlier, asking "earlier I asked you each to pick cards. Can you please tell me what they were."
Ladies and gentlemen, the Seven of Diamonds, Two of Hearts and Four of Clubs.

You may also find it helpful to work with the deck with the ace of spades cut to the bottom. Some decks from Ellusionist and Theory 11 (also cherry casinos) come in mnemonica order, but with the ace of spades cut to the bottom. This is so when opening a fresh pack, taking off the plastic, taking the cards out of the box, you can flash the bottom card and it looks for all the world like you're in new deck order. Then a few false shuffles and you're still in stack. [/quote]

Very cool idea! I use the Redford Stack and get into stack using the Chinese Shuffle from a FASDIU, but will definitely use this if the opportunity presents itself. Thank you for this insightful post. Also - enjoyed the bit about doing this over Skype!!
Message: Posted by: dclxvinyc (Sep 26, 2019 12:25AM)
Oh, man, my pleasure. Glad it's helpful! DM me if you ever want to talk about Skype magic.
Message: Posted by: Sudo Nimh (Oct 30, 2019 02:02PM)
Thanks for sharing! Also, I LOVE that your background tune is a rendition of the Grateful Dead's "Casey Jones".
Message: Posted by: djsqzme (Jan 12, 2020 12:11PM)
[quote]On Sep 25, 2019, dclxvinyc wrote:
Backwards is so helpful.

When I do borrowed decks, I ask spectators to shuffle the cards and distribute the cards randomly among everyone. So each person is holding 5-10 cards.
"I will attempt something a bit odd. Who has the nine of diamonds? Good, please put it face down on the table. The ace of hearts? Face down on top of that. I will hereby endeavor to recite each of the cards in random order, quickly and without much thought. I shall do my best to miss none of them, which you will be able to verify with whether or not you are holding cards when I am through. Also, I shall do my best to not name a single card twice. Each time I name a card, if you will please put it face down, on top of the preceding cards. Ok, let's continue with the six of clubs."

This is already a great feat in and of itself, of memory. You can do it blindfolded. I've done it over Skype for my wife's family in Poland. They assemble the deck in mnemonica for me. Then I can ask each of the spectators to cut the deck once and complete the cut, satisfying themselves that I cannot possibly be aware of the order of the deck.

My friend does it for parlor and large settings and forces the top three mnemonica cards from a shuffled deck before hand. And when doing the memory stunt, he stops three cards short and asks if he's got them all. The answer is no, there are three cards left. He calls on the spectators from earlier, asking "earlier I asked you each to pick cards. Can you please tell me what they were."
Ladies and gentlemen, the Seven of Diamonds, Two of Hearts and Four of Clubs.

You may also find it helpful to work with the deck with the ace of spades cut to the bottom. Some decks from Ellusionist and Theory 11 (also cherry casinos) come in mnemonica order, but with the ace of spades cut to the bottom. This is so when opening a fresh pack, taking off the plastic, taking the cards out of the box, you can flash the bottom card and it looks for all the world like you're in new deck order. Then a few false shuffles and you're still in stack. [/quote]

WOW!!! why didn't I think of this! what a great way to have the audience build the deck for you while you demonstrate your memory skills!! time to start practicing the deck backwards now :) could up the stakes (if appropriate) and add that if I were to miss a card, I'll buy you all a drink or another similar bet, if I don't mess up you can give me a follow on my social media, buy me a drink (if appropriate), give me your phone number, endless possibilities!!
Message: Posted by: mlippo (Jan 12, 2020 12:59PM)
[quote]On Jan 12, 2020, djsqzme wrote:
[quote]On Sep 25, 2019, dclxvinyc wrote:
Backwards is so helpful.

When I do borrowed decks, I ask spectators to shuffle the cards and distribute the cards randomly among everyone. So each person is holding 5-10 cards.
"I will attempt something a bit odd. Who has the nine of diamonds? Good, please put it face down on the table. The ace of hearts? Face down on top of that. I will hereby endeavor to recite each of the cards in random order, quickly and without much thought. I shall do my best to miss none of them, which you will be able to verify with whether or not you are holding cards when I am through. Also, I shall do my best to not name a single card twice. Each time I name a card, if you will please put it face down, on top of the preceding cards. Ok, let's continue with the six of clubs."

This is already a great feat in and of itself, of memory. You can do it blindfolded. I've done it over Skype for my wife's family in Poland. They assemble the deck in mnemonica for me. Then I can ask each of the spectators to cut the deck once and complete the cut, satisfying themselves that I cannot possibly be aware of the order of the deck.

My friend does it for parlor and large settings and forces the top three mnemonica cards from a shuffled deck before hand. And when doing the memory stunt, he stops three cards short and asks if he's got them all. The answer is no, there are three cards left. He calls on the spectators from earlier, asking "earlier I asked you each to pick cards. Can you please tell me what they were."
Ladies and gentlemen, the Seven of Diamonds, Two of Hearts and Four of Clubs.

You may also find it helpful to work with the deck with the ace of spades cut to the bottom. Some decks from Ellusionist and Theory 11 (also cherry casinos) come in mnemonica order, but with the ace of spades cut to the bottom. This is so when opening a fresh pack, taking off the plastic, taking the cards out of the box, you can flash the bottom card and it looks for all the world like you're in new deck order. Then a few false shuffles and you're still in stack. [/quote]

WOW!!! why didn't I think of this! what a great way to have the audience build the deck for you while you demonstrate your memory skills!! time to start practicing the deck backwards now :) could up the stakes (if appropriate) and add that if I were to miss a card, I'll buy you all a drink or another similar bet, if I don't mess up you can give me a follow on my social media, buy me a drink (if appropriate), give me your phone number, endless possibilities!! [/quote]

Well, definately not a new idea... It's in Mnemonica book and before that in Nikola'System booklet (1927) and I seem to remember it even predates that ...
Message: Posted by: Waterloophai (Jan 12, 2020 04:44PM)
It isn't only a new idea, it can even be a bad idea...

Learning a memorized deck (and mastering it afterwards) is a little as being in love. In Belgium there is a saying “From what the heart is full, the mouth runs over”.
You cannot keep it for yourself; you want to proclaim it to the whole world and to everyone!

That is the dumbest thing you can do…

My attitude in regards to a memorized deck and how to deal with it is very distinctly and formal.

The fact that you know the order of 52 playing cards by heart and that you know at every moment at which place is which card is a dreadful secret weapon in the hands of the magician. It gives you unlimited possibilities and makes it possible for you to do things another magician will never be able to.
However, the “nature” of that weapon is very crucial. It is a “secret” weapon. So, don’t throw that weapon for a scramble and don’t give it away!
By displaying the skill you possess, you devaluate automatically, for at least 80%, the impact you want to achieve.

Suppose, it is a sunny Sunday afternoon and you sit companionable with friends at the bar of the tennis court at your local tennis club. Among the company, there is by chance that day a certain Swiss guy, named Roger Federer. One decides to play some games of tennis. A few hours later it is established that Roger Federer has won all his matches with 6-0 and 6-0. Do you really think that everyone will shout “WOW”? Of course not. For Federer is the best tennis player in the world and it is thus the most normal thing in the world for him to win on one leg and if needed even blindfolded, from a bunch of amateurs.

If you, as a magician go to do card tricks and the public KNOWS that you have the capacity of knowing by heart the order of all the 52 cards, then suddenly they find your biggest miracles dead normal. “It is not difficult. For he (the magician) knows the 52 cards by heart.” is the reasoning of the spectators.
Even if you do tricks that have nothing to do with a memorized deck, they will ascribe your wonders to that fact. The “magic” is completely gone and reduced to an “explicable fact” (= he knows the order of the cards by heart)

Therefore, I am very reluctant about “memory demonstrations”, performed by a magician. I agree that it is very tempting (and pleasant) to deal out, card by card, the whole deck at the public and then ask them back, naming the right card from each person. For the magician who masters a MD, a nothing at all and even a pleasant exercise .
You may well make an impression as a “memory artist” (because it is indeed clever) at that moment but at the same time you give your aureole of “magician” away.

So I think you have to make a choice. OR you construct an act that is based on your skill as a memory artist with cards, phone numbers, magic squares, interminable numbers if you are able to, OR you perform an act as a magician and you use that same skill, but then as a secret weapon. Because if that skill is known by the public in a magic act, it will work even contra-productive. I think that is not the intent.
So I make a stand that there is nothing wrong if you do both (a memory demonstration and a magic act), but…. not in ONE act and not for the same public.

How tempting it may be (it’s hard to be humble if you are as great as we are 😊), don’t show your “weapon” and don’t blaze abroad about it (as a magician).
You have it always with you and attack with it, unexpected and inexorable.
THAT’s the power of a memorized deck and not the five minutes of “glory” which you experience with the “give away” of your weapon during a memory demonstration.
A moment of glory that later will turn out to be a Pyrrhic victory.
Message: Posted by: Riccione (Jan 13, 2020 06:54AM)
[quote]On Jan 12, 2020, Waterloophai wrote:
It isn't only a new idea, it can even be a bad idea...

Learning a memorized deck (and mastering it afterwards) is a little as being in love. In Belgium there is a saying “From what the heart is full, the mouth runs over”.
You cannot keep it for yourself; you want to proclaim it to the whole world and to everyone!

That is the dumbest thing you can do…

My attitude in regards to a memorized deck and how to deal with it is very distinctly and formal.

The fact that you know the order of 52 playing cards by heart and that you know at every moment at which place is which card is a dreadful secret weapon in the hands of the magician. It gives you unlimited possibilities and makes it possible for you to do things another magician will never be able to.
However, the “nature” of that weapon is very crucial. It is a “secret” weapon. So, don’t throw that weapon for a scramble and don’t give it away!
By displaying the skill you possess, you devaluate automatically, for at least 80%, the impact you want to achieve.

Suppose, it is a sunny Sunday afternoon and you sit companionable with friends at the bar of the tennis court at your local tennis club. Among the company, there is by chance that day a certain Swiss guy, named Roger Federer. One decides to play some games of tennis. A few hours later it is established that Roger Federer has won all his matches with 6-0 and 6-0. Do you really think that everyone will shout “WOW”? Of course not. For Federer is the best tennis player in the world and it is thus the most normal thing in the world for him to win on one leg and if needed even blindfolded, from a bunch of amateurs.

If you, as a magician go to do card tricks and the public KNOWS that you have the capacity of knowing by heart the order of all the 52 cards, then suddenly they find your biggest miracles dead normal. “It is not difficult. For he (the magician) knows the 52 cards by heart.” is the reasoning of the spectators.
Even if you do tricks that have nothing to do with a memorized deck, they will ascribe your wonders to that fact. The “magic” is completely gone and reduced to an “explicable fact” (= he knows the order of the cards by heart)

Therefore, I am very reluctant about “memory demonstrations”, performed by a magician. I agree that it is very tempting (and pleasant) to deal out, card by card, the whole deck at the public and then ask them back, naming the right card from each person. For the magician who masters a MD, a nothing at all and even a pleasant exercise .
You may well make an impression as a “memory artist” (because it is indeed clever) at that moment but at the same time you give your aureole of “magician” away.

So I think you have to make a choice. OR you construct an act that is based on your skill as a memory artist with cards, phone numbers, magic squares, interminable numbers if you are able to, OR you perform an act as a magician and you use that same skill, but then as a secret weapon. Because if that skill is known by the public in a magic act, it will work even contra-productive. I think that is not the intent.
So I make a stand that there is nothing wrong if you do both (a memory demonstration and a magic act), but…. not in ONE act and not for the same public.

How tempting it may be (it’s hard to be humble if you are as great as we are 😊), don’t show your “weapon” and don’t blaze abroad about it (as a magician).
You have it always with you and attack with it, unexpected and inexorable.
THAT’s the power of a memorized deck and not the five minutes of “glory” which you experience with the “give away” of your weapon during a memory demonstration.
A moment of glory that later will turn out to be a Pyrrhic victory. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Riccione (Jan 13, 2020 06:56AM)
I know nothing ;-))
Message: Posted by: djsqzme (Jan 13, 2020 11:24AM)
[quote]On Jan 12, 2020, Waterloophai wrote:
It isn't only a new idea, it can even be a bad idea...

Learning a memorized deck (and mastering it afterwards) is a little as being in love. In Belgium there is a saying “From what the heart is full, the mouth runs over”.
You cannot keep it for yourself; you want to proclaim it to the whole world and to everyone!

That is the dumbest thing you can do…

My attitude in regards to a memorized deck and how to deal with it is very distinctly and formal.

The fact that you know the order of 52 playing cards by heart and that you know at every moment at which place is which card is a dreadful secret weapon in the hands of the magician. It gives you unlimited possibilities and makes it possible for you to do things another magician will never be able to.
However, the “nature” of that weapon is very crucial. It is a “secret” weapon. So, don’t throw that weapon for a scramble and don’t give it away!
By displaying the skill you possess, you devaluate automatically, for at least 80%, the impact you want to achieve.

Suppose, it is a sunny Sunday afternoon and you sit companionable with friends at the bar of the tennis court at your local tennis club. Among the company, there is by chance that day a certain Swiss guy, named Roger Federer. One decides to play some games of tennis. A few hours later it is established that Roger Federer has won all his matches with 6-0 and 6-0. Do you really think that everyone will shout “WOW”? Of course not. For Federer is the best tennis player in the world and it is thus the most normal thing in the world for him to win on one leg and if needed even blindfolded, from a bunch of amateurs.

If you, as a magician go to do card tricks and the public KNOWS that you have the capacity of knowing by heart the order of all the 52 cards, then suddenly they find your biggest miracles dead normal. “It is not difficult. For he (the magician) knows the 52 cards by heart.” is the reasoning of the spectators.
Even if you do tricks that have nothing to do with a memorized deck, they will ascribe your wonders to that fact. The “magic” is completely gone and reduced to an “explicable fact” (= he knows the order of the cards by heart)

Therefore, I am very reluctant about “memory demonstrations”, performed by a magician. I agree that it is very tempting (and pleasant) to deal out, card by card, the whole deck at the public and then ask them back, naming the right card from each person. For the magician who masters a MD, a nothing at all and even a pleasant exercise .
You may well make an impression as a “memory artist” (because it is indeed clever) at that moment but at the same time you give your aureole of “magician” away.

So I think you have to make a choice. OR you construct an act that is based on your skill as a memory artist with cards, phone numbers, magic squares, interminable numbers if you are able to, OR you perform an act as a magician and you use that same skill, but then as a secret weapon. Because if that skill is known by the public in a magic act, it will work even contra-productive. I think that is not the intent.
So I make a stand that there is nothing wrong if you do both (a memory demonstration and a magic act), but…. not in ONE act and not for the same public.

How tempting it may be (it’s hard to be humble if you are as great as we are 😊), don’t show your “weapon” and don’t blaze abroad about it (as a magician).
You have it always with you and attack with it, unexpected and inexorable.
THAT’s the power of a memorized deck and not the five minutes of “glory” which you experience with the “give away” of your weapon during a memory demonstration.
A moment of glory that later will turn out to be a Pyrrhic victory. [/quote]

i said wow before but now I'm even more wowed. wont be demonstrating no 52 card memory demonstration anytime now. thank you for giving me a new perspective! definitely want to keep my secret weapon a secret now!
Message: Posted by: mlippo (Jan 13, 2020 01:25PM)
Djsqzme,

There is a very good way to set up all 52 cards starting from a shuffled pack.
Get Adrian Guerra DVD, titled Euphoria. He won a FISM Championship with it.

He uses the idea mentioned above, but for a limited number of cards, giving it a good justification and therefore making the whole thing less "fishy"

Mark
Message: Posted by: djsqzme (Jan 13, 2020 01:29PM)
[quote]On Jan 13, 2020, mlippo wrote:
Djsqzme,

There is a very good way to set up all 52 cards starting from a shuffled pack.
Get Adrian Guerra DVD, titled Euphoria. He won a FISM Championship with it.

He uses the idea mentioned above, but for a limited number of cards, giving it a good justification and therefore making the whole thing less "fishy"

Mark [/quote]

thanks mlippo! I'll check it out!