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Topic: Elllusionist, Harrison Greenbaum and Marc DeSouza
Message: Posted by: Steve Friedberg (Jul 26, 2019 10:56AM)
Folks:
Marc DeSouza is well-respected in the worldwide magic community. So, his words and thoughts have a significant impact. With that in mind, I'd ask that you take a moment and read his post from this morning:

Hi All,

Well, after a week of this crap about elluionist and Lloyd Barnes stealing Harrison Greenbaum's effect without permission and marketing it for a second time, I need to publicly comment on it. First, I did contact ellusionist and had some e-mails back and forth with their "customer relation" person. I did not hear directly from either Brad or Geraint, only their messages. They released it a while ago and took it off the market when confronted with the fact that the effect was Harrison's and the method was Asi Wind's. Now they are marketing it again as FU2, and it is a big FU to Harrison. THey admitted that the effect was Harrison's. They had that posted on their own website. I am certain that they were ****ed because they were stuck with a whole lot of decks of cards they had printed for it and tried to come up with a way of weaseling out of the situation. They put it out with an inferior method, you have to force the card. However, the effect is the same. I went to Lloyd Barnes' FB page where he posts a very long commentary. It is total ********. It is a thief trying to justify his theft. Read it for yourself. BTW, I commented twice on that page and Lloyd saw fit to delete my posts both times. I guess the harsh truth is a little tough to take and he didn't want his followers to be confused by the facts, as opposed to his ramblings and ridiculous attempts at justifying his theft. The David Sleaze routine he brings up has no bearing on Harrison's effect. Watch it. It is a very standard pick a card, then the revelation and then he says FU to the audience member. This in no way resembles Harrison's effect in which the FU is part and parcel of the actual revelation. The fact that Harrison's revelation is peeling a sticker off the card vs Lloyd's fine print revelation at the bottom of the card is equally ridiculous. It is like saying that your color changing deck is different because you changed the deck from blue to red, instead of from red to blue.
Harrison created his routine over ten years ago. He has been performing it professionally in his repertoire for at least nine years. it is his. The fact that he chose to keep it for himself and not market it or give anyone the right to perform it is his prerogative. He can use Asi's method, because Asi marketed it. He cannot sell the method, nor can ellusionist. They didn't want to **** off Asi. They don't seem to have a problem ****ing off Harrison who confronted them both times and very publicly, at least in magic social media. Harrison only stated the facts and published what ellusionist representatives posted themselves or said. Now they are trying to back track it and rewrite the history of it.
Bottom line, Lloyd Barnes and ellusionist are thieves. They stole a routine right out of a professional's act. They were confronted about it on both occasions and have chosen to continue to sell it. Shame on them. It is just that type of attitude that destroys the art of magic. It is what prevents creators from sharing their work with other magicians. It is everything wrong about the business of magic, let alone art.
Consequently, I am severing my ties with ellusionist. I do not want to be associated with their kind. I have requested that they stop selling my products and creations in any form. I have asked them to remove my name and likeness from anywhere on their website and social media platforms. Now I am going to ask you to do something that may be difficult. I am asking all of you to contact ellusionist and tell them they need to stop selling stolen goods, in particular FU2. I am asking you to tell them that if they continue business in this fashion, you will no longer support them. I want you to tell them that you will no longer buy any products from them. And, I want you to write to all of your magic friends and ask them to do the same. I believe that by providing a united effort and tell them the magic community will not support thieves, they may get the message.
Thank you for reading this and thank you in advance for taking the time to help rectify a true wrong and maybe, just maybe, help our great art/craft in the process.
Marc DeSouza
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Jul 27, 2019 11:59AM)
BRAVO.. FOR MAKING THIS SITUATION KNOWN!!! To many pros have been ripped off over the years with routines that they had worked years and years to perfect.
Thanks for speaking up Marc and thanks to Steve for reposting this.
Richard
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jul 29, 2019 12:25PM)
In many cases it is quite difficult to trace methods to creators. Sometimes even independent invention has happened which really muddied the waters.

This seems pretty clear. I say pretty clear as to allow that another side exists. Even allowing for that it seems pretty rough for them. Sad to see this happen. It is tough enough to create and not very profitable in the first place. Getting ripoed off for your trouble helps nobody.
Message: Posted by: MJE (Jul 29, 2019 06:18PM)
As clear as it seems to be, I hope we'll get the other side of the story from someone. There must be one. If there isn't, there's no controversy, and it appears that there is controversy.
Message: Posted by: Rymagician (Jul 30, 2019 02:56PM)
"As clear as it seems to be, I hope we'll get the other side of the story from someone. There must be one. If there isn't, there's no controversy, and it appears that there is controversy." - MJE

The other side of the story is Lloyd's Facebook post which Marc is referencing.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jul 30, 2019 07:00PM)
Yea but nobody wants to have to hunt it down like a magazine article.
Message: Posted by: gdw (Aug 2, 2019 07:43PM)
Was quite happy to see this tonight, but I imagine no where near as happy as Harrison was:

https://twitter.com/Asiwind/status/1157425614581710848?s=09

"I got many comments on the FU trick, and I wanted to set the record straight. I saw Harrison Greenbaum perform the FU plot for many years, the plot is rightly his. I think Ellusionist should come to a resolution with him because I believe itís the right thing to do."