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Topic: Vernon, Houdini, & the tension
Message: Posted by: Krumb (May 22, 2004 07:29PM)
Not sure where to put this, but since Vernon was a card guy, I figured someone here would know. I found this on a site that had a short bio of him, but it doesn't explain the reason for the line below. Does anyone know?

"...There was only one conjuror that he spoke of negatively, and that was Harry Houdini."
Message: Posted by: JordanB (May 22, 2004 08:14PM)
I think it is explained in one of the Vernon Chronicles, but I don't know if there was any animosity. In fact, I think Vernon was one of Houdini's kids godfather, or vice versa.
Message: Posted by: Reis O'Brien (May 22, 2004 09:40PM)
Not to mention, I've read in other sources how Vernon bad mouthed virtually every magician who crossed his path. I have no idea what stories are true, though.
Message: Posted by: LeConte (May 23, 2004 04:06AM)
Harry and Bess Houdini never had children.

Vernon did not bad-mouth virtually every magician who crossed his path. Vernon crossed paths with 100's if not 1,000's of magicians in his lifetime.
Message: Posted by: NeoMagic (May 23, 2004 04:34AM)
Check out the following Genii forum thread: [url=http://geniimagazine.com/forum/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=001441]Vernon on Houdini[/url]
Message: Posted by: Larry Barnowsky (May 23, 2004 09:32AM)
There was a personality clash there. Vernon was not boastful whereas Houdini, The King of Cards, was self aggrandizing as part of his public personna. Houdini was a skilled sleight of hand performer but not among the best of his time. If Vernon felt comtemptuous of Houdini it was probably from their brief encounters when Vernon apparently determined that he was more skillful.
Message: Posted by: Reis O'Brien (May 23, 2004 09:43AM)
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On 2004-05-23 05:06, LeConte wrote:
Harry and Bess Houdini never had children.

Vernon did not bad-mouth virtually every magician who crossed his path. Vernon crossed paths with 100's if not 1,000's of magicians in his lifetime.
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Ah! I knew that Harry and Bess never had kids! That totally slipped my mind.

Also, I was just trying to point out the inaccuracies of myths and legends. Sometimes, Vernon is prtrayed as the kind, generous grandfather who welcomed fellow magicicans with open arms. Other stories make him out to be a tyranical curmudgeon poking the newbies in the eyes just for sport. I just thought it was funny how his legend has grown to such varying degrees.
Message: Posted by: andre combrinck (May 23, 2004 10:58AM)
Although Houdini's name is in the dictionary and will be remembered as the greatest 'magician' that ever lived,in my opinion Dai Vernon Rules!
What I never understand is that a lot of people say that Dai bad-mouthed magicians.Why doesn't anyone just e-mail Ammar,Carney,Roth,Harris(and the likes) and ask them if he ever bad-mouthed any of them or others.These people should know because they all learned a lot from him.
Andre
Message: Posted by: JordanB (May 23, 2004 11:18AM)
Bess Houdini was Vernon's son Ted's godmother. Vernon Chronicles Vol. 4 has some very good biographical information on Vernon. It is not in print, but you can usually get it for $60 or so on Ebay.
Message: Posted by: NeoMagic (May 23, 2004 11:33AM)
To quote Paul Chosse from another thread:

"The Professor had an approach to magic that changed the way we think. Most newcomers have no idea just how much of Vernon is in everything they do. Vernon forever changed the face of Magic, and it is the better for it. He brought a simplicity and directness to effects that revolutionized the art... Like all men, Vernon was a flawed human being... He got mad, had opinions, regrets, etc., as we all do. Mostly though, Dai was a good man, kind, generous, brilliant, giving of himself and his knowledge if he thought you were a student."

For more on Vernon 'the man', try [url=http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=60416&forum=2]this[/url] and [url=http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=5536&forum=2]this[/url] thread.
Message: Posted by: Reis O'Brien (May 23, 2004 05:39PM)
Good call, Neo... Paul Chosse sums it up beautifully!