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Topic: Cups & Balls final loads w/o jacket
Message: Posted by: karnak (Aug 7, 2019 08:23PM)
In situations where wearing a jacket isnít optimal or just doesnít fit in with the ambience (too formal?) or weather, what other options might be available for concealing final loads at the ready, easily accessible but indetectable?

Servantes spring to mind. These would be great for formal stage or parlor shows. But what about other, less formal situations, where a servante is unavailable?

Slacks with roomy pockets also come to mind. But what if youíre wearing snug-fitting jeans, with inadequate pocket space?

A vest could be an option. In casual situations, vests can be paired with t-shirts and jeans. But most vests also seem to have thin and shallow pockets. Winter vests (those outerwear, down-filled quilted or ridged things) often have more spacious and roomy front pockets.

But what if itís not wintertime? Formal and waitstaff vests tend to have less roomy front pockets.

Does anyone know of commercially available (and inexpensive) vests with spacious front pockets that could accommodate typical C&B final loads?

Or other viable options?
Message: Posted by: Al Schneider (Aug 7, 2019 11:14PM)
If yoy carry the cups in a bag the loads can ride with them or outside in hidden pockets.
Just a thought.

Al
Message: Posted by: funsway (Aug 8, 2019 08:53AM)
I found an ideal leather vest om shopgoodwill.com for $28 including shipping.

Label says "A Masterpeice of Via Cortesa" size 58 for a nice loose fit.

Brown suede with zipper and pockets like acargo jacket. Stylish, yet functional.

Large zippered pockets on both sides - expandable to fit a cup. Another smaller pocket on top of each, plus matching smalls on each breast with flaps.
Inside each side has a very large pocket, one zippered, the other buttoned as for a passport or notebook.

The left front outside also has a vertical zipper pocket large enough for CC if desired. ;) - or gaffed to reach though to the left belt for a very large load.

The sides reach pant pocket height so loads under the vest edge are possible too. I carry an entire show including a small chop cup.

I haven't considered a complete combo set, but it could fit in the last mentioned pocket with Loads here and there.

If interested I can shoot some photos - write eversway.com. Mine not for sale but you might find another.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Aug 8, 2019 11:43PM)
There is a wealth of information in this thread -- https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=108360&start=0
Message: Posted by: yin_howe (Aug 9, 2019 05:02AM)
Are you considering busker's pouches?
Message: Posted by: karnak (Aug 9, 2019 01:17PM)
Thanks for all the tips. Much to think about, and experiment with.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Woolery (Aug 9, 2019 03:09PM)
There is always Tommy Wonderís solution.

Patrick
Message: Posted by: BarryFernelius (Aug 10, 2019 10:54AM)
Brian Watsonís routine is worth your consideration. Iíve been performing it (with a few small changes) for awhile, and it never fails to garner a strong response.

https://youtu.be/PVU-NNUOrTE
Message: Posted by: funsway (Aug 10, 2019 03:08PM)
Just to offer a different solution - a large, surprising final load is not a requirement for a C&B routine - just popular and possibly traditional now.
You can segue into a different type of effect such as changing the balls to coins one at a time, or butterflies that flutter away.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Aug 10, 2019 07:52PM)
[quote]On Aug 9, 2019, yin_howe wrote:
Are you considering busker's pouches? [/quote]

This is a good question. Busker's pouches can be difficult to justify. When I was working the Renaissance Festival circuit, they made perfect sense. Mine were set up similar to the ones Bob Sheets used. But they weren't like the ones Cellini used. They were two separate pouches.

However, when I work in my "normal" attire, I don't need pouches to do my cup routine. Although I wear a jacket, I don't actually need it.

In one of Michael Ammar's lectures, he mentioned that he had worked for YEARS to develop a routine for the C&B that could be done with sleeves rolled up, no jacket, etc. He went through all the different ideas he tried. Then he said, "In the end, it really didn't matter."
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Aug 10, 2019 07:53PM)
[quote]On Aug 10, 2019, funsway wrote:
Just to offer a different solution - a large, surprising final load is not a requirement for a C&B routine - just popular and possibly traditional now.
You can segue into a different type of effect such as changing the balls to coins one at a time, or butterflies that flutter away. [/quote]

Remember this -- whatever you produce at the end of your cups and balls routine is, by definition, a final load.
Message: Posted by: funsway (Aug 11, 2019 12:13PM)
[quote]On Aug 10, 2019, Bill Palmer wrote:
[quote]On Aug 10, 2019, funsway wrote:
Just to offer a different solution - a large, surprising final load is not a requirement for a C&B routine - just popular and possibly traditional now.
You can segue into a different type of effect such as changing the balls to coins one at a time, or butterflies that flutter away. [/quote]

Remember this -- whatever you produce at the end of your cups and balls routine is, by definition, a final load. [/quote]


Even if it is to show all the cups empty and the balls gone? Joking. I should have expanded "large, surprising load" to mean
a final object either larger than, or very different from the balls used in the main routine. Not necessary if one segues into another routine,
but certainly, there should be some way for the audience to understand the C&B routine is over ( a final, load or not)
Message: Posted by: Al Schneider (Aug 13, 2019 03:41AM)
These have appeared elsewhere on this forum.
But they answer a few questions.

These two routines address a routine without a big finish and no extra gims.
The other is intended for no fuss walk around.


Just a simple routine

https://youtu.be/D4q9zTNrbg8


A birthday suit routine
When I worked at a coffee shop the cups were on the table.
The routine resets itself.


https://youtu.be/1T4xbc-FOx0
Message: Posted by: Al Kazam the Magic Man (Aug 13, 2019 04:51AM)
As usual, very good routines and lots of ideas Al Schneider. Thanks
Message: Posted by: Kanawati (Aug 13, 2019 06:05AM)
Al, I did not see that big finish coming in your second vid at all. That really was a surprise! John
Message: Posted by: padre rich (Aug 30, 2019 10:12PM)
Start with the large loads already in the cups...do a brief, perhaps three sequences, to get to the loads.people get bored/confused when this thing goes on too long...
Message: Posted by: funsway (Aug 31, 2019 05:37AM)
Maybe the answer is to find an audience that isn't easily bored/confused. "Goes on too long" is relative to many things.
If your audience of the moment has little attention span, why do C&B at all? Certainly not cut it short to accommodate distractions or lack of interest.

Regardless, your suggestion of "pre-loads" has value. It may be easier to switch in a cup than mask a large load.

"Get to the loads" -- assuming a weird final load is even considered necessary.

It sounds as if you think the entire purpose of C&B is "getting to" the final. Why not make each phase incredibly astonishing and mystifying? Maybe they will want more.

Brief? OK -- at a restaurant, grab a coffee mug. Drop in a packet of instant coffee, a creamer and sugar packet. Shake well and reveal a cup full of steaming coffee.
Doesn't matter is the audience is the cook suddenly forced to play waiter. He was no longer bored - if laugher and free slice of pie is any indication.
Message: Posted by: J Burke Whittaker (Sep 17, 2019 12:45PM)
You need to find a copy of Scotty York's X rated cups and balls. It was a great routine that followed the Vernon routine but required no "large" loads at the end from any pocket.

I went through the same thought process you are going through when I started creating my Asymmetrical Cups and Balls back in the mid 80's. I found a solution to this problem that I absolutely love performing, sorry I am not tipping this...yet.

I do want to assure there are many ways you can end a routine that are every bit as amazing as large final loads.


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Message: Posted by: David French (Sep 24, 2019 08:47AM)
A few other options are 1) to sit while performing and load from you lap and 2) use a table with a servant/shelf. I do my Chop cup routine seated most of the time but use an instand table with the shelf for stand up/parlor shows.