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Topic: Endless Chain help please
Message: Posted by: myshadow (Aug 19, 2019 02:52PM)
I’m workingi on an Endless Chain routine based on the examples given by Johnny Thompson, Bobby Bernard and Phil Matlin on the Worlds Greatest Magic download. I have a problem with the NO WIN situation which doesn’t seem to be addressed on the download. In the attached photo the chain is set up for a no win case (prior to squeezing the chain in the middle to make the figure of eight) where the spectator should not win whether he puts finger in left or right hand loops. However, if he puts his finger in left hand loop and pulls the Chain from the point indicated by the yellow arrow, the chain is actually pulled through a loop and therefore catches on the finger. If the chain is pulled from any of the other lengths the chain does indeed not catch the finger.

Am I missing something? Any advice will be much appreciated.

Many thanks
Brian
Message: Posted by: NicholasD (Aug 19, 2019 11:06PM)
First of all, you are correct that pulling the chain from the spot indicated will catch the finger. You must pull the outer section of chain at the bottom left or bottom right corners of the layout in order to show the No Win situation. In most routines where the layout is on the table, the pulling is usually done from those spots in the layout for all of the Win or No Win situations.

If you're really interested in the endless chain, I'd recommend the School for Scoundrels book and DVD's. The various layouts are explained in detail.
Message: Posted by: myshadow (Aug 21, 2019 01:26AM)
Thanks NicholasD. As a result of your post I purchased the School For Scoundrels “Notes on Fast and Loose” by Whit Haydn. The issue I raised is dealt with explicitly under “Tying the Knot”. As I noted in my first post, this was not mentioned at all on the Worlds Greatest Magic DVD. I’ve got several of Whit Haydn’s publications and DVDs - they are always very clear and insightful.
Thanks, Brian
Message: Posted by: Thomas Walter (Sep 21, 2019 01:52PM)
[quote]On Aug 21, 2019, myshadow wrote:
Thanks NicholasD. As a result of your post I purchased the School For Scoundrels “Notes on Fast and Loose” by Whit Haydn. The issue I raised is dealt with explicitly under “Tying the Knot”. As I noted in my first post, this was not mentioned at all on the Worlds Greatest Magic DVD. I’ve got several of Whit Haydn’s publications and DVDs - they are always very clear and insightful.
Thanks, Brian [/quote]
Take a look at Paul Vigil Pierri Penguin Live ACT. He has a different handling for the effect.
His win-win and lose-lose handlings are easy to do. Especially the win-win option compared to Chef Anton's.
Well, in my opinion, that is.
Message: Posted by: Tom G (Sep 21, 2019 08:35PM)
Marc DeSouza has a video of the chain and discusses all the throws. Disclaimer, haven't seen it in a long time.
Message: Posted by: myshadow (Sep 22, 2019 12:04PM)
Thanks Thomas for your suggestion
Brian
Message: Posted by: BradenCarlisle (Sep 24, 2019 02:15AM)
Paul Vigil also has some cool applications as mentioned by Thomas Walter. You can pull from the same spot every time and it's super awesome! It's the handling I use. You can find it on either his Penguin lecture, or email him to buy his lecture notes.
Message: Posted by: garyogden1957 (Sep 25, 2019 05:19AM)
Where can I get this routine/instructions please?
Message: Posted by: myshadow (Oct 2, 2019 03:19AM)
Gary Ogden. As per my second post above . The School For Scoundrels “Notes on Fast and Loose” by Whit Haydn.
Brian
Message: Posted by: garyogden1957 (Oct 2, 2019 04:10AM)
[quote]On Oct 2, 2019, myshadow wrote:
Gary Ogden. As per my second post above . The School For Scoundrels “Notes on Fast and Loose” by Whit Haydn.
Brian [/quote]

I can't seem to find this anywhere?
Message: Posted by: Mr. Bones (Oct 2, 2019 08:57AM)
[quote]On Oct 2, 2019, garyogden1957 wrote:
[quote]On Oct 2, 2019, myshadow wrote:
Gary Ogden. As per my second post above . The School For Scoundrels “Notes on Fast and Loose” by Whit Haydn.
Brian [/quote]

I can't seem to find this anywhere? [/quote]

How hard did you look?
https://www.popsmagic.com/store/p50/School_for_Scoundrels_%22Notes_on_Fast_and_Loose%22_~_PDF_Booklet.html
Message: Posted by: garyogden1957 (Oct 2, 2019 09:51AM)
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Message: Posted by: garyogden1957 (Oct 7, 2019 06:19AM)
I finally got my Endless Chain Routine book and made my own chain. I can't believe how old it is. Even on Scam School it goes back to Dec 2009.

https://youtu.be/76oq6xdm7io
Message: Posted by: vanp8 (Oct 8, 2019 11:44PM)
New Twist on A DEVILISH Classic! On You Tube.
It is a nice way to present endless chain routine. Recommends 4 phases. I've enjoyed on the Barrelhead since I read it in a book in 5th or 6th grade library in the 60's.