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Topic: Removing a solid loop of rope during a single rope routine
Message: Posted by: Merenkov (Sep 2, 2019 04:47PM)
At a recent convention, I saw two different magicians perform a rope routine in which an approximately 20" solid loop of rope is magically removed from a single piece rope during each performer's rope routine. I've studied Daryl's rope videos, one by Flip and a couple of variations of the George Sands routine, but this particular sequence or effect was new to me. Since two different magicians performed it, I'm guessing it's fairly well-known, but not to me. Can anyone point me in the right direction to learn more about it?
Message: Posted by: John Long (Sep 2, 2019 08:48PM)
There are ways

Ungimmicked Methods
Fiber Optics, and I think also in Daryls Expert Rope Magic, and probably others

basically 2 methods, but I don't want to explain in an open forum (essentially the same as would be used in a gimmicked cut and restore rope routine

Message: Posted by: Merenkov (Sep 2, 2019 08:59PM)
Thanks John, and maybe I didn't do a good job of describing it, but I'm pretty sure the effect of a small, solid loop (which you can freely show) melting off of a larger rope is not included in either Fiber Optics or Daryl's Rope Magic videos (I've studied both). The idea of a gimmicked method sounds a lot more likely, but without divulging the method (which I can imagine) can you point me to a published version of this in the context of a larger rope routine?
Message: Posted by: Kanawati (Sep 2, 2019 11:57PM)
I have seen one way of accomplishing the effect. It's on a clip of Pavel, a magician I really admired for his creativity and ingenious thinking! You can see it here:
Go to the 2:55 mark.
I'm not sure if it is something that Pavel Magic sell or have published but you can write to them: http://www.pavelmagic.com
Message: Posted by: murf (Sep 3, 2019 07:30AM)
I suspect I was at the same convention as Merenkov, and the effects he mentions were much more impresive than the one in the Pavel clip. I've been doing rope magic for quite a long time, and I have no clue how they did it. Merenkov, you might try contacting the performers themselves and see if they'll give you a tip. I'm still pretty zonked out from lack of sleep, and I can't even remember who both of the two magicians were, but the one I CAN remember is pretty good about sharing.

Message: Posted by: Merenkov (Sep 3, 2019 09:39AM)
Kanawati, thanks for posting that - Pavel's act is great. As Murf suggests, the effect we saw at this weekend's TAOM convention was slightly different (one can see Pavel's version at around the 3:00 mark in the clip), in that it was done in the context of a longer routine with the same rope, not a one-off effect. I rewatched Oscar's DVD set, in which he teaches two of the rope routines he performed this weekend, but he doesn't teach this particular one, haha. I will reach out to him and see if he might point me in the right direction...
Message: Posted by: John Long (Sep 5, 2019 08:30PM)
Yup, that clip of Pavel was totaly different from I thought you were asking for - its good that Kanawati was on-board. I don't think Ive seen that effect before!

Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Sep 6, 2019 07:11PM)
Merenkov, you have to remember, you are not going to find the exact routine those performer's did, as that is why they were at the convention performing. They do thing differently. Using material from different sources to create their routines.

If either performer lectured and shared their ideas in lecture notes, or video, at the convention, then that would be your best lead.

Also consider, those two performers could know each other and shared the information with each other.

One last thought, could it be like the Pavel effect, but the 2 performers just used a smaller loop for the way they perform?
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Sep 9, 2019 06:12AM)
Something like this?
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Sep 11, 2019 06:33PM)
Just checked it is in Stock at Penguin Magic and a few dollars cheaper.