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Topic: Opus by Garrett Thomas
Message: Posted by: Titanas (Feb 7, 2020 02:00PM)
Garrett Thomas not only teaches multiple coin to ring effects, he also walks through his creative process which can be applied to any magician developing their routines.

Opus itself includes 3 tools; 2 gimmicks and one matching coin. Opus gimmicks can be done with Garrett's Ring Thing and Banded effects as well. These rings are also magnetic, perfect for holdouts. Updates will be continually added to the online instructions so new tips and effects will be available.

"There are only a few routines where the elegant efficiency of the technique is as beautiful as the visual impossibility of the effect. This is one of them. Each move teaches a key concept in making sleights appear effortless for spectators; study this effect and you will learn a lifetime's worth of lessons in just a few moments of magic." - Kainoa Harbottle

6 ring sizes available


More info:
https://www.murphysmagic.com/search.aspx?f=294

Best regards,
Titanas
Message: Posted by: James Kellogg III (Feb 7, 2020 02:09PM)
If you are interested in this product and want to make payments we have that option available!

https://www.MagicShopSanDiego.com/product/pre-sale-opus-by-garrett-thomas/

This is a great product and just to be able to learn what goes on in the crazy mind of Garrett Thomas is something to embrace and appreciate how someone who thinks as outside of the box as Garrett does. I am sure you all will enjoy this!

Cheers,
James
Message: Posted by: trickyat86 (Feb 7, 2020 02:25PM)
Ad copy says to pick a size slightly larger than what you normally wear. Would this be a half or whole size? For example, I wear a US size 10 on my index finger, so would I want to go to the equivalent to a 10.5 or 11 size?
Message: Posted by: James Kellogg III (Feb 7, 2020 02:47PM)
[quote]On Feb 7, 2020, trickyat86 wrote:
Ad copy says to pick a size slightly larger than what you normally wear. Would this be a half or whole size? For example, I wear a US size 10 on my index finger, so would I want to go to the equivalent to a 10.5 or 11 size? [/quote]

I am gonna do my best to explain the size choice for you, but I would say a 20mm ring should be good for you.

Here is the ring size comparison and you can make the call for what you think is best. 20mm is between a 10 to a 10.5, but a 21mm is an 11.5 so if the 11.5 would pretty much just fall right off your finger then my best guess would be the 20mm.

Hope this helps!

Cheers,
James
Message: Posted by: CMR (Feb 7, 2020 03:20PM)
[quote]On Feb 7, 2020, Titanas wrote:

Opus itself includes 3 tools; 2 gimmicks and one matching coin.

[/quote]

Does that mean it comes with one special ring, one special coin and one normal coin?
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Feb 7, 2020 03:29PM)
Yes
Message: Posted by: CMR (Feb 7, 2020 03:55PM)
[quote]On Feb 7, 2020, MR Effecto wrote:
Yes [/quote]

Thanks.
Message: Posted by: trickyat86 (Feb 8, 2020 11:51AM)
I hope Kozmo doesn't mind me sharing the link to a video of Garrett providing more insight on this project. Kozmo shared it in the now deleted original thread on this project from earlier this week. It's a really useful video if your interested in the project. (if it's an issue, Admins feel free to delete this post).

https://kozmomagic.wistia.com/medias/cj40pumuin
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Feb 8, 2020 03:11PM)
I remember purchasing an early version of this routine at one of his lectures (wasnít sold anywhere else otherwise and was just the video. Could use any ring or coin otherwise)

This was before he added the gimmicked/skewered finger thru coin aspect . Though it did have that cool move where you poke the coin into a ring on your finger.

The routine was elegant and stunning then so I can only imagine how stunning it is now. And the props provided look great and do solve a lot of the disconnects from regular coins and rings not matching.

Other than the new skewer -like coin gimmick, I believe it is just a normal coin and normal banded style ring. No other gimmicks but could be wrong.

My only concern is I had bought banded a while ago, and the ring discolored quickly. Even the replacement one I was sent. Hopefully thatís not an issue here.

While I already have an early variation of the routine (from the lecture version). And own Banded already...I may still have to get this. The new props look great and the evolution of the handling looks to be a great resource.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Feb 8, 2020 03:42PM)
I was like to echo Pendleton. I also purchases several banded rings (I think I convinced Kozmo to sell me spares a some convention) because I like using the Banded ring for Ring Thing which I do all the time. The ring discolored but the Banded gimmick did not, presumably because I wore the ring often but rarely did Banded (I never got very good at it). At any rate after a short time the ring and gimmick did not match.
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Feb 8, 2020 04:37PM)
We've had all kinds of issues with platers for banded....something about skin....Were not sure why this was an issue. We now have new platers and we will see....BUT as I always do. I try to take care of customers so if you have issues just email me at
kozmomagic@me.com

I will do everything I can to make any issues you ever have right,
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Feb 8, 2020 05:04PM)
Kozmo does provide good service. I know he wants his customers to be happy. And before he reminds me, I am a Reel Magic subscriber
Message: Posted by: MarianoG (Feb 8, 2020 05:10PM)
I am happy to get information about the process of creating and refining the final outcome.

For me, this is the real value of this!
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Feb 8, 2020 05:28PM)
What is the release date by the way?
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Feb 8, 2020 06:09PM)
17th
Message: Posted by: jamo425 (Feb 8, 2020 11:57PM)
I have been waiting for this for so long! I remember a couple people mentioning that this was in the works about a year or so ago (maybe longer). So I've been watching out for this ever since. Needless to say I will 100% be getting this and will be happy to write a review once I do.

I think I have literally everything Garrett has put out. I've never been disappointed so far so I'm sure this will be no different. The ring to coin has always been a fascinating concept to me. But aside from the sleights/routines, I'm really excited about the fact that it comes with a ring and coin that match perfectly. I usually do this with a walking liberty coin and walking liberty coin ring. It's an improvement over any silver ring but they don't match perfectly despite my efforts. So the props are a huge bonus and the skewer concept being incorporated into this is brilliant.

Can't wait to see how everything has evolved since the concepts on his ring thing DVD. Very excited for this!
Message: Posted by: jljones83 (Feb 17, 2020 12:26PM)
[quote]On Feb 7, 2020, Titanas wrote:
Opus gimmicks can be done with Garrett's Ring Thing and Banded effects as well. [/quote]

What do you mean by this? Opus gimmicks can be done with Banded effects? Do you mean Banded effects can be done with Opus Gimmicks? I am confused as to the relation to Banded besides the same creator.
Message: Posted by: trickyat86 (Feb 17, 2020 12:28PM)
[quote]On Feb 17, 2020, jljones83 wrote:
[quote]On Feb 7, 2020, Titanas wrote:
Opus gimmicks can be done with Garrett's Ring Thing and Banded effects as well. [/quote]

What do you mean by this? Opus gimmicks can be done with Banded effects? Do you mean Banded effects can be done with Opus Gimmicks? I am confused as to the relation to Banded besides the same creator. [/quote]

Think he's trying to say the ring provided with Opus matches the style ring provided with Banded.
Message: Posted by: jljones83 (Feb 17, 2020 04:20PM)
[quote]On Feb 17, 2020, trickyat86 wrote:
[quote]On Feb 17, 2020, jljones83 wrote:
[quote]On Feb 7, 2020, Titanas wrote:
Opus gimmicks can be done with Garrett's Ring Thing and Banded effects as well. [/quote]

What do you mean by this? Opus gimmicks can be done with Banded effects? Do you mean Banded effects can be done with Opus Gimmicks? I am confused as to the relation to Banded besides the same creator. [/quote]

Think he's trying to say the ring provided with Opus matches the style ring provided with Banded. [/quote]

At :58 sec of the trailer, you see the Banded effect. No where in the copy does it say that you can't do what's show in the trailer, so I assume you can? It's heavily implied that you can and I can't image they'd show effects that can't be done in the trailer. I spoke with Penguin Magic about this, because I am confused. They said you can't do the Banded effect with this product. So can you do the effect shown in the trailer at :58 seconds?
Message: Posted by: trickyat86 (Feb 17, 2020 05:38PM)
No, you cannot do Banded with just what comes in Opus. The ring that comes in Opus matches the ring that comes with Banded. This video spells out exactly what comes with Opus, https://kozmomagic.wistia.com/medias/cj40pumuin
Message: Posted by: jljones83 (Feb 17, 2020 05:41PM)
So then you cannot do what is shown in the trailer? Or am I confused about Banded? From :58-1:01 of the sales trailer looks like Banded. Can you do the effect specifically from :58-1:01 of the sales trailer with what you get with opus only?
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Feb 18, 2020 03:26PM)
[quote]On Feb 17, 2020, jljones83 wrote:
So then you cannot do what is shown in the trailer? Or am I confused about Banded? From :58-1:01 of the sales trailer looks like Banded. Can you do the effect specifically from :58-1:01 of the sales trailer with what you get with opus only? [/quote]

I'm pretty sure the Opus project has additional ideas for Banded but it does not come with the Banded gimmick. The actual ring with Opus appears to be a match with the Banded ring though.
Message: Posted by: scott0819 (Feb 18, 2020 03:47PM)
[quote]On Feb 18, 2020, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On Feb 17, 2020, jljones83 wrote:
So then you cannot do what is shown in the trailer? Or am I confused about Banded? From :58-1:01 of the sales trailer looks like Banded. Can you do the effect specifically from :58-1:01 of the sales trailer with what you get with opus only? [/quote]

I'm pretty sure the Opus project has additional ideas for Banded but it does not come with the Banded gimmick. The actual ring with Opus appears to be a match with the Banded ring though. [/quote]

Showing the Banded effect was perhaps an oversight in editing the trailer. In the 5-minute OPUS discussion video posted on Page 1, Garrett does state that OPUS was designed to match the look of the Banded gimmick. You cannot perform Banded with OPUS alone.
But OPUS does come with the same gimmick as his other effect, Profile/Skewer (just in the style of the OPUS ďcoinĒ).
Message: Posted by: jljones83 (Feb 18, 2020 04:12PM)
Also, I got confirmation that the effect I was asking about is NOT performed with the banded gimmick. It may not be taught it Opus, but it was not performed with a different gimmick than included.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Feb 18, 2020 04:23PM)
There are ring through finger effects with ungimmicked rings of course. I donít remember but one may have been taught on banded. I donít have this new project yet
Message: Posted by: scott0819 (Feb 18, 2020 04:44PM)
[quote]On Feb 18, 2020, jljones83 wrote:
Also, I got confirmation that the effect I was asking about is NOT performed with the banded gimmick. It may not be taught it Opus, but it was not performed with a different gimmick than included. [/quote]

Okay, sorry to add to the confusion. I was almost positive the effect shown at 0:58-1:03 in the trailer was the last penetration of Banded.
Message: Posted by: pierredan (Feb 18, 2020 07:23PM)
For sizing. Should we order the ring one size larger or two sizes larger?
Message: Posted by: trickyat86 (Feb 18, 2020 08:08PM)
I wear a (US) size 10 on my index finger and ordered the 20mm ring. Based on what Garrett mentioned on the live stream he did with Luke Dancy and Murphy's, you want to be able to slide the ring off with one hand, but not so big it flies off your finger unexpectedly. This site might help you decide what ring to go with https://www.brilliance.com/ring-size-conversion-chart
Message: Posted by: pierredan (Feb 18, 2020 08:37PM)
Thank you
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Feb 19, 2020 09:27AM)
[quote]On Feb 18, 2020, jljones83 wrote:
Also, I got confirmation that the effect I was asking about is NOT performed with the banded gimmick. It may not be taught it Opus, but it was not performed with a different gimmick than included. [/quote]

I'm confused by your comments. Banded consists of 2 things. The banded gimmick and the matching non-gimmicked ring. Opus uses this same non-gimmick ring effect thus you can incorporate the Banded effect and gimmick since the rings all match. There's probably going to be ideas for Banded in Opus in terms of routining and choreography for getting into from or to Opus from/to Banded but you still need to own Banded to learn and do the Banded main effect (since you will need the gimmick).
Message: Posted by: jljones83 (Feb 19, 2020 09:57AM)
[quote]On Feb 19, 2020, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On Feb 18, 2020, jljones83 wrote:
Also, I got confirmation that the effect I was asking about is NOT performed with the banded gimmick. It may not be taught it Opus, but it was not performed with a different gimmick than included. [/quote]

I'm confused by your comments. Banded consists of 2 things. The banded gimmick and the matching non-gimmicked ring. Opus uses this same non-gimmick ring effect thus you can incorporate the Banded effect and gimmick since the rings all match. There's probably going to be ideas for Banded in Opus in terms of routining and choreography for getting into from or to Opus from/to Banded but you still need to own Banded to learn and do the Banded main effect (since you will need the gimmick). [/quote]

You're probably confused by my comments because I was very confused when I was commenting. I am not familiar with how Banded works, but I know of the effect. When watching the trailer for Opus, there is a part where a portion of the Banded routine is shown (0:58-1:01). Titanas said "Opus gimmicks can be done with Garrett's Ring Thing and Banded effects as well. " and that confused me, because I saw part of the Banded routine.

I was informed by someone via email (If they want to say here they can, but I don't want to put out private emails with names) that "Banded uses a gimmick however that move is not the gimmick. [...] That section of Banded is non-gimmicked. I do not believe that its taught in OPUS."

Sorry if I added to the confusion.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Feb 19, 2020 10:11AM)
[quote]On Feb 19, 2020, jljones83 wrote:
[quote]On Feb 19, 2020, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On Feb 18, 2020, jljones83 wrote:
Also, I got confirmation that the effect I was asking about is NOT performed with the banded gimmick. It may not be taught it Opus, but it was not performed with a different gimmick than included. [/quote]

I'm confused by your comments. Banded consists of 2 things. The banded gimmick and the matching non-gimmicked ring. Opus uses this same non-gimmick ring effect thus you can incorporate the Banded effect and gimmick since the rings all match. There's probably going to be ideas for Banded in Opus in terms of routining and choreography for getting into from or to Opus from/to Banded but you still need to own Banded to learn and do the Banded main effect (since you will need the gimmick). [/quote]

You're probably confused by my comments because I was very confused when I was commenting. I am not familiar with how Banded works, but I know of the effect. When watching the trailer for Opus, there is a part where a portion of the Banded routine is shown (0:58-1:01). Titanas said "Opus gimmicks can be done with Garrett's Ring Thing and Banded effects as well. " and that confused me, because I saw part of the Banded routine.

I was informed by someone via email (If they want to say here they can, but I don't want to put out private emails with names) that "Banded uses a gimmick however that move is not the gimmick. [...] That section of Banded is non-gimmicked. I do not believe that its taught in OPUS."

Sorry if I added to the confusion. [/quote]

Ha ha ha, all good :D
Message: Posted by: Obviously (Feb 19, 2020 04:36PM)
Does the coin gimmick aperture size vary along with the ring size - or is it standard sized throughout all versions.
I ask because my gimmick from Garrett's "Skewer" is too big for my finger, and I don't want $100 worth of a similar issue.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Feb 20, 2020 10:53AM)
[quote]On Feb 19, 2020, Obviously wrote:
Does the coin gimmick aperture size vary along with the ring size - or is it standard sized throughout all versions.
I ask because my gimmick from Garrett's "Skewer" is too big for my finger, and I don't want $100 worth of a similar issue. [/quote]

The skewer gimmick is roughly the size of the hole in a karate coin. You basically use it as a karate coin. They are all the same size.
Message: Posted by: byronmaddox (Feb 21, 2020 02:14PM)
[quote]On Feb 7, 2020, trickyat86 wrote:
Ad copy says to pick a size slightly larger than what you normally wear. Would this be a half or whole size? For example, I wear a US size 10 on my index finger, so would I want to go to the equivalent to a 10.5 or 11 size? [/quote]

I went up a full size and wear it on my index finger. You will also notice a slight difference as the seasons change. Regards, Byron
Message: Posted by: Morganjj (Feb 26, 2020 10:54PM)
There's an ungimmicked method taught in Banded, but the piece of the trailer everybody is talking about is not it.

I mean, there's a small cut in there, so it could be, but it would be a weird way to do it.

The ring goes all the way down to the base of the finger, visibly, and then is pulled onto the little finger. That's Banded, and that's gimmicked, and that cannot be done with the Opus set.

If people want to correct me they can drop me a PM and I'll happily recant, but I have both (and perform parts of both) and I'm 99.9% sure.
Message: Posted by: Morganjj (Feb 27, 2020 04:46PM)
A followup - the teaching here by Garrett is excellent. If you don't do a bunch of ring/coin stuff already then this is a masterclass, and if you do then you'll still find plenty of nuance along the way.

Only small issue is that within a couple of days the rings no longer match between Opus and Banded. They're visibly different - the Opus one has gained a quite lovely dark patina.
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Feb 27, 2020 09:40PM)
Well the thing is I produced it....so that makes it bullet proof...email me and I will take care of you
kozmomagic@me.com
Message: Posted by: Morganjj (Feb 27, 2020 09:51PM)
You're not wrong, that's as fast a turnaround as is humanly possible. Thanks Kozmo.
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Feb 28, 2020 09:27AM)
You're welcome... I sent you 2....
Message: Posted by: trickyat86 (Feb 29, 2020 03:32PM)
I'm really enjoying the format of this project/study, explaining the reasoning to why each move is used and how it got to where it's at now. The coin/disc provided is a great size for the sleights taught (it's between a Morgan and a Half). Garrett explains why on the video it's not, but I wish the edge of the disc was milled, as I'm struggling a bit with a few moves. Not too concerning as I'm looking to use my existing coin and coin ring later on.
Message: Posted by: Khuluma (Mar 9, 2020 05:25AM)
I bought OPUS to play around with during 7 days of bliss in Gran Caneria. The teaching is in depth. I really don't feel the need for a history lesson on how Garrett got to the point he has with the ring manipulation. But it is beautiful to watch him flow with the ring and coin. After 7 days, I think I got to a point where I felt I had something, but it wasn't exactly the routine he taught. However, I think that was the point. You take what you can/want out of it. True enough, after lots of manipulation, the ring is not the same colour as the coin anymore. Perhaps I need to play with the coin a lot and it may go a darker colour.

All in all, the craftmanship is great for all the material provided and there is enough information in the teaching to keep you going for some time. Garrett clearly is a master of his craft.