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Topic: Catch - Marcus Eddie (Blackpool)
Message: Posted by: Doric (Feb 17, 2020 03:09AM)
Quietly, in the corner of the Vanishing Inc stand at Blackpool, I witnessed a guy completely vanish a coin with sleeves rolled up. He had the coin in his palm, closed his hand into a fist and when he opened his fingers the coin was gone. I couldn't figure out where the coin had gone. He then made the coin reappear in a similar manner.

He then showed me the gimmick. Pure genius. I bought one immediately.
Message: Posted by: tomd (Feb 17, 2020 03:10AM)
I really like Marcus Eddieís magic. Thanks for the heads up
Message: Posted by: music (Feb 17, 2020 08:41AM)
Fickle Nickel?
Message: Posted by: DLMagic (Feb 17, 2020 09:04AM)
[quote]On Feb 17, 2020, Doric wrote:
Quietly, in the corner of the Vanishing Inc stand at Blackpool, I witnessed a guy completely vanish a coin with sleeves rolled up. He had the coin in his palm, closed his hand into a fist and when he opened his fingers the coin was gone. I couldn't figure out where the coin had gone. He then made the coin reappear in a similar manner.

He then showed me the gimmick. Pure genius. I bought one immediately. [/quote]

I have seen it during THE SESSION and had to buy it.
It's works great, but you need some practice and the right place to put the gimmick. Then you can make a coin vanish with short sleeves and it looks great!
Message: Posted by: Illucifer (Feb 17, 2020 10:14AM)
It's quite cool. I picked it up last August at Magic Live. Very clever.
Message: Posted by: chrisgali (Feb 17, 2020 10:28AM)
Is a video out there? Sounds interesting...
Message: Posted by: Magikgym (Feb 17, 2020 10:40AM)
What is it called and by whom?
Message: Posted by: Manos Kartsakis (Feb 17, 2020 10:56AM)
@Magikgym Apparently it is called "Catch" and it is by Marcus Eddie. Or maybe I am completely wrong and this thread is about a group of people playing tag with Marcus Eddie at Blackpool.
Message: Posted by: Barry Gitelson (Feb 17, 2020 11:07AM)
It does sound a lot like good old Fickle Nickel. Hopefully there will be an advert that shows a performance.
Message: Posted by: Doric (Feb 17, 2020 11:09AM)
Nothing like fickle nickle. No thread 😁
Message: Posted by: Phatmeat (Feb 17, 2020 12:41PM)
I donít think Iím giving too much away by saying itís a sleeveless holdout device.
Message: Posted by: Doric (Feb 17, 2020 12:53PM)
Please, no more exposure.
Message: Posted by: Magikgym (Feb 17, 2020 03:09PM)
Is it exposing by giving us the name of the effect? I saw it in Vanishing's Blackpool YouTube video.
Message: Posted by: Doric (Feb 17, 2020 03:23PM)
I was talking about exposing the method.
Message: Posted by: Magikgym (Feb 17, 2020 03:41PM)
Yes of course. I just want to know the name of it so I can purchase it. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Feb 17, 2020 03:56PM)
[quote]On Feb 17, 2020, Magikgym wrote:
Is it exposing by giving us the name of the effect? I saw it in Vanishing's Blackpool YouTube video. [/quote]

I tried to find it. Are you referring to 2:10 in this vid? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oej6DcKFEto
Message: Posted by: Magikgym (Feb 17, 2020 04:16PM)
[quote]On Feb 17, 2020, The Unmasked Magician wrote:
[quote]On Feb 17, 2020, Magikgym wrote:
Is it exposing by giving us the name of the effect? I saw it in Vanishing's Blackpool YouTube video. [/quote]

I tried to find it. Are you referring to 2:10 in this vid? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oej6DcKFEto [/quote]

Yes that's what I saw on the video but I want to know if that is what he is referring to. There are a few vanishes wearing a watch. Also that is not fickle nickel, now you c it, Raven, Gonzo, etc.
It seems it was only sold at the convention and not ready to be sold publicly from a website.
Message: Posted by: Doric (Feb 17, 2020 06:12PM)
[quote]On Feb 17, 2020, Magikgym wrote:
What is it called and by whom? [/quote]
See the title of my thread for the answer. 😂
Message: Posted by: Magikgym (Feb 17, 2020 08:41PM)
Okay it's probably not released and available for sale yet.
Message: Posted by: Rizzo (Feb 23, 2020 10:29AM)
This would not work for me method wise. It did provide me with an alternate idea though, the more a I thought about it. Also at the moment, be advised up to the size of a US quarter will work. Coins can be borrowed, a good thing. Many possibilities with this. Transpositions, switches, vanishes & productions.
Message: Posted by: jimgerrish (Feb 23, 2020 12:31PM)
Why don't you book Marcus Eddie to lecture at one of your near-by magic groups? Then you'll "catch" him performing it and maybe explaining it in person.
Message: Posted by: goldeneye007 (May 24, 2021 02:00PM)
Iíve just seen this advertised on VanishingInc - can someone confirm that itís not something you can use with dollar-size coins? Would a ring work?

Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Topcliffe (May 24, 2021 02:29PM)
[quote]On May 24, 2021, goldeneye007 wrote:
Iíve just seen this advertised on VanishingInc - can someone confirm that itís not something you can use with dollar-size coins? Would a ring work?

Thanks! [/quote]
Yeah, just saw the ad too, am wondering if it's an updated release or if it's different in any other way from the one discussed in Feb. 2020.
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (May 24, 2021 02:34PM)
Why is Marcus name not on the Vanishing Inc page?
https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/close-up-magic/catch/?utm_campaign=Catch&utm_content=Catch&utm_medium=email_action&utm_source=email
Are they different releases?
Message: Posted by: goldeneye007 (May 24, 2021 02:53PM)
Just read the long blurb again and I had missed it the first time sorry - it does say you wouldn't even be able to vanish half dollars... probably is the same product as the Blackpool one!
Message: Posted by: Calvin826 (May 24, 2021 02:56PM)
Watch required, correct?
Message: Posted by: Topcliffe (May 24, 2021 03:16PM)
[quote]On May 24, 2021, reignofsound wrote:
Why is Marcus name not on the Vanishing Inc page?
https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/close-up-magic/catch/?utm_campaign=Catch&utm_content=Catch&utm_medium=email_action&utm_source=email
Are they different releases? [/quote]
That's exactly what I'm wondering. Plus if you look at the videos on the VI website, some of the vanishes look like they don't involve the t**t necessary for the original one to work. In the first one, the hand, wrist, and arm seem to be in a straight line the whole time. If that's not deceptive advertising, then I'm definitely intrigued.
Message: Posted by: Topcliffe (May 24, 2021 04:01PM)
PS: Just got word from VI: same effect/gimmick, but the instructional video is newer and longer (~35 minutes as opposed to ~12 minutes).
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (May 24, 2021 04:23PM)
Also says watch our band needed for this but still looks very good . Ordered off penguin magic.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (May 24, 2021 04:36PM)
Does this talk when the vanish happens? Regards Gaz 😊
Message: Posted by: danHumphrey (May 24, 2021 04:44PM)
[quote]On May 25, 2021, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
Does this talk when the vanish happens? Regards Gaz 😊 [/quote]
I read on VI someone asked the same question and they replied saying they added something to stop the noise.
Message: Posted by: CardGuyMike (May 24, 2021 04:44PM)
[quote]On May 24, 2021, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
Does this talk when the vanish happens? Regards Gaz 😊 [/quote]
According to VI,

"It isn't noisy at all. In fact, we added an element into the gimmick to ensure that it is quiet."
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (May 24, 2021 05:00PM)
Ok thatís good to know, thanks guys Gaz 😊
Message: Posted by: takeachance (May 25, 2021 07:06PM)
I wonder if a coin bend routine has been created for this?
Message: Posted by: CoinBoy101 (May 25, 2021 07:34PM)
[quote]On May 24, 2021, CardGuyMike wrote:
[quote]On May 24, 2021, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
Does this talk when the vanish happens? Regards Gaz 😊 [/quote]
According to VI,

"It isn't noisy at all. In fact, we added an element into the gimmick to ensure that it is quiet." [/quote]

I am waiting for Catch to arrive but I have watched the explanation video from Vanishing Inc. Without giving anything away, it's not actually a case of VI having added an element to the gimmick to ensure it is quiet. It's more a case that VI has redesigned Marcus Eddie's original gimmick by taking something away. It's sound science which leads to less sound. That's all I can say. I don't think the sound is completely eliminated but there are ways to cover any small sound with some effects.

The video explanation is very good though the camera could possibly have had better close-ups at times. It looks like a very handy gimmick to have on you and use in all manner of situations, particularly in a casual situation to vanish and produce a coin.

I'm looking forward to playing around with this.
Message: Posted by: Andy W (May 25, 2021 09:43PM)
Just from the trailer...for a moment, I thought it is a sansminds item
Message: Posted by: MagicBrent (May 25, 2021 11:17PM)
Is this something you can wear comfortably all day or a limited time while performing?
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (May 25, 2021 11:33PM)
I think you could wear it all day...just watched some of the tutorial, it's a pretty good trick and will be fun to play with while learning
Message: Posted by: rowdymagi5 (May 26, 2021 03:23AM)
While practice is always required, how difficult is this to do?
Message: Posted by: CoinBoy101 (May 26, 2021 03:40AM)
[quote]On May 26, 2021, rowdymagi5 wrote:
While practice is always required, how difficult is this to do? [/quote]

From watching the tutorial, I would say this is at the easy end of the difficulty scale. Like using any gimmick, the skill will come with practice (which looks easy to do but requires some accuracy to work consistently), remembering how to hold one's hand and arm, and not being conscious of using a gimmick. The angles look good. The ones which are not are un-natural positions no one should be doing, so there's little problem there. This looks fun to use and should require minimal practice to achieve some impressive effects.
Message: Posted by: CoinBoy101 (May 26, 2021 04:01AM)
Just one other thing to say. Vanishing Inc advertise this as requiring "no magnets, elastic (or anything else!) attached to the coin". While this is true for the majority of the effects shown in the advertising video, there is one vanish for which this is not the case and it does require something attached to the coin.

I do wonder whether Vanishing should be more accurate in their wording. However, as the vast majority of effects do not require any kinds of attachments, magnet etc, I think it's fair comment by them. The one vanish which uses an attachment is not one I would use in the real world, which is acknowledged in the tutorial. For video it looks great, but the setup makes it impractical for me in live situations.

Don't be put off by the above. The vast majority of what can be done is simply with a coin and the gimmick, which looks easy to use. I'll update when I receive the gimmick in a few days' time but I'm highly confident this gimmick will work well.
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (May 26, 2021 12:38PM)
Interesting. It says Catch by Vanishing Inc now.
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (May 26, 2021 03:00PM)
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Message: Posted by: Platt (May 26, 2021 06:30PM)
Great review. I've actually been toying around with creating a gimmick like this for years but never did. Oh well. I don't think it would have been nearly as good as this looks from the instructional download. I just may have to start wearing a watch again.
Message: Posted by: Jonas1969 (May 27, 2021 01:59AM)
Looks great. I am curious about the exact dimensions of the gimmick. Just viewing the official video, I can see some flashing. I would think a wide band would work better, or not. I have a watch band that is very wide, 1.25", like a cuff really. Just wondering if this gimmick will work with such. Thanks for any details on sizing. -JP
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (May 27, 2021 04:49AM)
The thing is I never wear a watch and I only perform smartly dressed so I do the the same thing by sleeving. I just borrow or use a UK 10p that are made with a steel core and have a sweat band with a magnet built in just before my elbow. That gives me 2 options vanish as per the demo or fake pretend to pull on the sleeve holding the coin (indicating subconsciously nothing up my sleeve) French drop then immediately fake pull on the other sleeve now holding the coin which in the process holds out the coin on the back of my sleeve. Although this looks a clever gadget to me there is only one place the coin can be under a great big f..c. o.f contraption under your watch.
Sure looks interesting but I doubt many pros will use this in the real world as vanishing a singular coin is bread and butter stuff and normally just a small part of the bigger routine imo Gaz 😊
Message: Posted by: SimonTheSorcerer (May 27, 2021 07:18AM)
My only concern: does it make sense to put a gimmick on a spot that laymen would normally point to at first after a coin has vanished when wearing a watch?
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (May 27, 2021 12:22PM)
Can it vanish just a quarter shell or is it too light?
Message: Posted by: Platt (May 27, 2021 01:29PM)
[quote]On May 27, 2021, SimonTheSorcerer wrote:
My only concern: does it make sense to put a gimmick on a spot that laymen would normally point to at first after a coin has vanished when wearing a watch? [/quote]


Good point. I think, as with all vanishes (all palms, sleeving, TTs, my own blackout coins) it's best to either do a transposition or reproduce the coin without too much of a delay. No matter how clean you are, you never want people looking you up and down asking 'where did it go?' The signed coin to pocket is brilliant. Regarding the question of the gimmick flashing (it does) but way you show your hands the very subtly exposed gimmick isn't seen.
Message: Posted by: Platt (May 27, 2021 01:34PM)
[quote]On May 27, 2021, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
The thing is I never wear a watch and I only perform smartly dressed so I do the the same thing by sleeving. I just borrow or use a UK 10p that are made with a steel core and have a sweat band with a magnet built in just before my elbow. That gives me 2 options vanish as per the demo or fake pretend to pull on the sleeve holding the coin (indicating subconsciously nothing up my sleeve) French drop then immediately fake pull on the other sleeve now holding the coin which in the process holds out the coin on the back of my sleeve. Although this looks a clever gadget to me there is only one place the coin can be under a great big f..c. o.f contraption under your watch.
Sure looks interesting but I doubt many pros will use this in the real world as vanishing a singular coin is bread and butter stuff and normally just a small part of the bigger routine imo Gaz 😊 [/quote]

I think you're right. I look at this a bit like fickle nickel. in the long run, probably not worth the effort, especially if you don't normally wear a watch. But it does look pretty *** good. A hair cleaner than the vanish of single coin using pure sleight of hand.
Message: Posted by: Newb2 (May 27, 2021 01:45PM)
Already out of stock.
Message: Posted by: Jonas1969 (May 27, 2021 11:49PM)
[quote]On May 27, 2021, Newb2 wrote:
Already out of stock. [/quote]

seems to be in stock at https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/
Message: Posted by: michaelpenkul (May 28, 2021 03:29AM)
When the coin is vanished, are there any restrictions to hand motion? Could I, for example, do the vanish, go on to do something else, and then reproduce the coin? Is there a risk of it falling out?
Message: Posted by: CoinBoy101 (May 28, 2021 05:54AM)
[quote]On May 28, 2021, michaelpenkul wrote:
When the coin is vanished, are there any restrictions to hand motion? Could I, for example, do the vanish, go on to do something else, and then reproduce the coin? Is there a risk of it falling out? [/quote]

Yes, there is a restriction. It's certainly possible to do something else but you would have to be mindful of a specific hand/arm movement which would release the coin
Message: Posted by: CardGuyMike (May 28, 2021 08:19AM)
The way he shows his hands empty looks pretty much like the way you show your empty hands after a watch vanish.
Message: Posted by: McIntyreMagic (May 28, 2021 10:56AM)
Is it possible to take the watch off w/o revealing the gimmick or quickly palm it off? I wear a Turner Watch and love the look of this, but want to make sure that I could still perform the Turner effect with this added on.
Thanks
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (May 28, 2021 11:42AM)
Yes you can still perform the TW effect. The gimmick just slips under your watch.
Message: Posted by: Mac_Stone (May 29, 2021 09:13AM)
[quote]On May 28, 2021, MR Effecto wrote:
Yes you can still perform the TW effect. The gimmick just slips under your watch. [/quote]

In order to use the TW you need to take it off your wrist, so the question is how easy will it be to take your watch on and off with this thing hiding under the band.
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (May 30, 2021 02:04PM)
I was wondering why this looked so familiar. I actually release a version of this vanish through the magic estate in 2014. Coin through nose with Tyler. ( not a plug ) Joshua jay also has something from penguin way back with ďcornerĒ I believe. ( also uncredited ) The gimmick for Catch is too bulky for my liking. Thatís probably because Iím use to a much thinner gimmick ( that I created back in 2010 ) As for the restrictions on the Catch gimmick. The mouth is too wide IMO. Causing the coin to fall out when putting your arm down in a normal position. There is absolutely a way to prevent this from happening and you can move your arm freely without fear of the coin falling out also retrieving it at any time. I know. I know. My post may come off as a bit bias. It is. Because Iíve been performing this vanish for over 10 years and I have a lot of pride and experience with this Specific style of vanish.
The gimmick itself is pretty cool but, just prefer to have more control. Which is why Iím sticking to what Iíve been using.

Marcus Eddie has my upmost respect. The man has created so many necessary effects and added a great wealth of knowledge to our community. He also has the greatest smile 😊 in the magic industry.

Just my 2 cents
Message: Posted by: videoman (May 30, 2021 02:34PM)
[quote]On May 30, 2021, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:

Marcus Eddie...has the greatest smile 😊 in the magic industry.

[/quote]

Certainly canít argue about Marcusís smile. Talk about being able to light up a room!
That is no doubt his superpower.
Message: Posted by: CoinBoy101 (May 30, 2021 03:00PM)
[quote]On May 30, 2021, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:
The gimmick for Catch is too bulky for my liking. Thatís probably because Iím use to a much thinner gimmick ( that I created back in 2010 ) As for the restrictions on the Catch gimmick. The mouth is too wide IMO. Causing the coin to fall out when putting your arm down in a normal position. There is absolutely a way to prevent this from happening and you can move your arm freely without fear of the coin falling out also retrieving it at any time. I know. I know. [/quote]

I've now received Catch and I'm inclined to agree the gimmick is a bit on the bulky side. It could be thinner. One needs to be mindful of hand/arm positioning to ensure the coin is not inadvertently released.

I also feel a wide watch strap helps to better conceal the gimmick. My own regular black watch strap only covers about 70 per cent of the gimmick. While careful handling should reduce any flashes, I'm considering trying a wider strap and bigger watch to better conceal the gimmick.
Message: Posted by: The Baldini (May 30, 2021 03:11PM)
CoinBoy101, as it is clearly shown on the instructional video, the width of the band is not an issue, and if it was any thinner it would not last, it would crack. After you play with it for a little bit, you wonít remember itís there until you need it,
Message: Posted by: CoinBoy101 (May 30, 2021 03:20PM)
[quote]On May 30, 2021, The Baldini wrote:
CoinBoy101, as it is clearly shown on the instructional video, the width of the band is not an issue, and if it was any thinner it would not last, it would crack. After you play with it for a little bit, you wonít remember itís there until you need it, [/quote]

You make a fair point, The Baldini. It's more a conscious issue at this point and I have not had it long enough to forget it's there. You're right. The video tutorial does say the width of the band is not an issue.

As for a thinner gimmick not lasting and cracking, I wonder whether this is dependent on the construction material. That said, something metallic would presumably create a sound issue
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (May 30, 2021 04:46PM)
Just got it and have to agree that It is a tad big in the sense that it isn't really that well hidden under a watch. Can't see how the device could go any smaller though. But a wider strap would definitely be recommended.

If using a stainless steel/metal strap...they recommend going a link or two looser. And on a leather type band, a notch or two looser. my pilot watch has a 21mm width which is a bit on the thinner side. So not the best as about a third of the device sticks out.

Anyway, take this for what it is as Ive only messed with it a few times just to try it...but it seems extremely knacky as the coin has to "catch" the device at the perfect angle...or risk dropping. Again, just a first impression as I haven't had the chance to put in the proper practice with it.

I truly hope that this will be something you can do with 100% confidence with enough time put in. My worry is that due to its knacky nature, even with a bunch of practice, it may not hit every time.

We'll see.
Message: Posted by: EZrhythm (May 30, 2021 06:53PM)
[quote]On May 30, 2021, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:
I was wondering why this looked so familiar. I actually release a version of this vanish through the magic estate in 2014. Coin through nose with Tyler. ( not a plug ) Joshua jay also has something from penguin way back with ďcornerĒ I believe. ( also uncredited ) The gimmick for Catch is too bulky for my liking. Thatís probably because Iím use to a much thinner gimmick ( that I created back in 2010 ) As for the restrictions on the Catch gimmick. The mouth is too wide IMO. Causing the coin to fall out when putting your arm down in a normal position. There is absolutely a way to prevent this from happening and you can move your arm freely without fear of the coin falling out also retrieving it at any time. I know. I know. My post may come off as a bit bias. It is. Because Iíve been performing this vanish for over 10 years and I have a lot of pride and experience with this Specific style of vanish.
The gimmick itself is pretty cool but, just prefer to have more control. Which is why Iím sticking to what Iíve been using.

Marcus Eddie has my upmost respect. The man has created so many necessary effects and added a great wealth of knowledge to our community. He also has the greatest smile 😊 in the magic industry.

Just my 2 cents [/quote]

No, not sounding biased at all. Thank You for the input, great info! :cheers:
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (May 31, 2021 05:59PM)
[quote]On May 30, 2021, CoinBoy101 wrote:
[quote]On May 30, 2021, The Baldini wrote:
CoinBoy101, as it is clearly shown on the instructional video, the width of the band is not an issue, and if it was any thinner it would not last, it would crack. After you play with it for a little bit, you wonít remember itís there until you need it, [/quote]

You make a fair point, The Baldini. It's more a conscious issue at this point and I have not had it long enough to forget it's there. You're right. The video tutorial does say the width of the band is not an issue.

As for a thinner gimmick not lasting and cracking, I wonder whether this is dependent on the construction material. That said, something metallic would presumably create a sound issue [/quote]


It is very much dependent on the material being used to create the gimmick. Without giving away too much, some gimmicks are made more flexible than others and can be ďfittedĒ to a performers preference. 😉
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jun 1, 2021 03:15AM)
Lonnieís version sounds the best to me ie custom made as very rarely does one size fit all Gaz 😊
Message: Posted by: JayCee0919 (Jun 2, 2021 03:54PM)
I was lucky enough to pick this one up right away before they sold out. Let me tell you, although I'm new here I am not new to magic and this is one great tool! Yes, you need a watch or band of some kind, I personally don't see how a bunch of rubberbands would work but if you can make it happen, that's awesome. You WILL have to practice since it's all about "feel" and that's all I can really say. You also need to trust the gimmick to do it's job. I get a bit nervous that it won't and that is when the quarter goes on it's own little adventure across the floor. I find when I trust the gimmick (and myself) the one handed vanish is pretty easy.

Well worth it for the number of vanishes you can achieve and the variety of ways you can achieve them.

The video is well done and no more or less than it needs to be.

Just wanted to give you my opinion on this as a n00b to the forum - I think you will like it if you put in the practice.
Message: Posted by: MagicBrent (Jun 2, 2021 06:09PM)
So glad to hear Jaycee! Mineís on the way and I was getting discouraged by some of the comments.
Message: Posted by: Platt (Jun 2, 2021 09:31PM)
I haven't been this excited to receive a gimmick in years. Catch is exactly the kind of knacky thing I love. Unfortunately I'm sad to report I don't think this gimmick is practical or even usable and will likely get returned to Vanishing Inc. For those who don't know me, I love challenging sleights, especially with coins. I've mastered the muscle pass with quarters, halves and Morgans. I created one of the trickiest sleights imaginable- the tumbling muscle click pass - until I could do it in my sleep. I put out a double dvd called Catapult which is a deep dive into challenging sleeving techniques. I only mention all this to boast about my accomplishments. But I suppose I also mention it to let you know that with all of this history and passion for coin magic, I can't imagine Catch can done with any degree of consistency. Perhaps it's an anatomical thing and my hands/wrists just aren't shaped for this. Or perhaps using it with a watch (not just strapped onto wrist with a rubber band) could make a difference by 'trapping' the coin. But this gimmick doesn't seem to do the job. I personally would have created a bit of a "ramp" and made it wider/thicker (as in the width/thickness of a coin). I CAN get it to work on a lucky rep, but as of now the coin generally flies right over the top of it.

I'll give this a good week before making a final decision but I generally know when something just needs practice versus being truly non-functional. All signs point to the latter. Disappointing. Would have loved to love this. Curious to hear about others experiences with this.
Message: Posted by: JayCee0919 (Jun 2, 2021 10:20PM)
[quote]On Jun 2, 2021, MagicBrent wrote:
So glad to hear Jaycee! Mineís on the way and I was getting discouraged by some of the comments. [/quote]

I guess there's lots of opinions on this. Some people appear to have been hoping for more, I suspect. To me, the genius is in the simplicity. Is it bulky? Not really because it could not be thinner and reliably "catch" the coin. Others will disagree, but for me it's a great buy and will definitely be going into my walk around routine.

The angles are what they are...no getting away from it. Audience management will be important as will choosing where and when to perform.

I don't have the amazing dexterity that many coin guys do and perhaps that's why I have an easier time with it than some of the more accomplished folks here. I am as basic as can be....that might be an advantage with the device. Less to "unlearn"? Not sure....

As a side note, the coin to pocket working is terrific and will definitely get some good reactions.

It's passed the "wife test" which for me is not a walk in the park...what better test is there?
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 2, 2021 11:29PM)
Hello Jay. Welcome to the Cafť comment section my friend. Glad to have you. You are absolutely right about something. When you said ď others will disagree ď. Because I definitely do. All due respect, your comment about not being able to be thinner is VERY inaccurate. As I personally have already achieved this and solved some of the control issues Catch has. You could probably swing your loaded Arm in any motion you wanted and still not have the coin come out until you wanted it. ( kind of like coin on demand )

I of all people respect this idea and Method more than most. Iíd also say that Iím kind of an advanced handler when it comes to the motion involved and the original gimmick. 😂 (I laughed when I wrote that btw)
I can assure you that there will be difference of opinions. Which is great actually. What works for some may not work for others. What I would have liked to see was Vanishing Inc to include in the trailer, or even the original tutorial, an actual live performances of the vanish or ANY of the quick routines that were advertised. I know first hand that this style of vanish is impressive when you know how to use it.

Here are a few of the ways Iíve been using my version of the handling/gimmick over the last 10 years. ( now itís a shameless plug I guess )
Can be used for predictions. ( really clever )
Single handed coin switches. ( very visual )
Coin productions.
Which hand routine ( also clever )
Coin in impossible location.
GEEK magic ( gross but impressive )
Coin through pocket ( full routine )
Believe it or not, The list goes on. Maybe Iíll share video to get the imagination going of the possibilities with type of vanish.

There really is a ton of possibilities with this style of motion vanish.
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Jun 3, 2021 07:15AM)
Unfortunately Lonnie it's on a DVD, if you ever release it as a download I'd buy it in a New York minute just for the vanish, not fussed about the coin from nose routine. I don't have a DVD player anymore and my laptop doesn't either. Plus the time and expense of posting a DVD is just not worth it with the international postage service since covid. Lonnie, release your vanish as a download Pleassssse.

I bought Catch for a switch and it works great, hits every time when you figure the right way to do it. The problem is it's very subtle so easily missed even though he does mention the exact technique on the download it's something easily brushed over. I'm not a small guy and wear a G-Shock world time wrist watch so it hides the gimmick well.

At first the coin jumped over or across and missed and I thought "back of the draw". Then I slowly went back over the download and the penny dropped so to speak and I got the right technique down. Now I catch it each time

Whether it's something I'll keep using only time will tell, but for now I'm hopeful it is going to help me tremendously with a particular routine (which is not mentioned as an application on the Catch download)
Message: Posted by: JayCee0919 (Jun 3, 2021 08:36AM)
[quote]On Jun 2, 2021, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:
Hello Jay. Welcome to the Cafť comment section my friend. Glad to have you. You are absolutely right about something. When you said ď others will disagree ď. Because I definitely do. All due respect, your comment about not being able to be thinner is VERY inaccurate. As I personally have already achieved this and solved some of the control issues Catch has. You could probably swing your loaded Arm in any motion you wanted and still not have the coin come out until you wanted it. ( kind of like coin on demand )

I of all people respect this idea and Method more than most. Iíd also say that Iím kind of an advanced handler when it comes to the motion involved and the original gimmick. 😂 (I laughed when I wrote that btw)
I can assure you that there will be difference of opinions. Which is great actually. What works for some may not work for others. What I would have liked to see was Vanishing Inc to include in the trailer, or even the original tutorial, an actual live performances of the vanish or ANY of the quick routines that were advertised. I know first hand that this style of vanish is impressive when you know how to use it.

Here are a few of the ways Iíve been using my version of the handling/gimmick over the last 10 years. ( now itís a shameless plug I guess )


Can be used for predictions. ( really clever )
Single handed coin switches. ( very visual )
Coin productions.
Which hand routine ( also clever )
Coin in impossible location.
GEEK magic ( gross but impressive )
Coin through pocket ( full routine )
Believe it or not, The list goes on. Maybe Iíll share video to get the imagination going of the possibilities with type of vanish.

There really is a ton of possibilities with this style of motion vanish. [/quote]

Thanks, for the feedback, Lonnie. You can write -off my comment about it being "thinner" due to lack of knowledge about alternatives out there, including your method. I second the request for a download-release and would certainly be in the queue for a purchase.

I also agree about the "live" performances portion - that is the part I would prefer to get some tips on (and see) vs real-world "experimenting". Right now, I am tempted to be on the more extreme side and only perform this under perfect conditions/angles vs. going to far off-script.

Thanks again for the feedback - very helpful! Just a quick side-note: I checked out your profile to see if you had a link to your products or website and hit the FB link...it appears to be a "broken" link....just fyi.
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 3, 2021 02:10PM)
It kind of feels like Iím bashing this product and honestly Iím not. I just have a personal issue with a certain aspect of the way this product was advertised and Iím currently trying to get that settled with Vanishing Inc. I also donít want to give off the impression that Iím trying to high jack this Thread and influence others to purchase something I released a handful of years ago. In fact, Iíd recommend that no one buy my release from the magic estate because thereís something in the works as of right now that is IMO superior to anything on currently on the market. My only goal with this thread is to add clarity on specific things while adding additional contributions to whatís possible with this style of vanish.

Iíd also like to point out that thereís an easier way to practice this motion vanish. Just wear a long sleeve shirt. Youíll ultimately end up eliminating picking the coin up from the floor a million times and itíll add confidence allowing you to get use to the hand eye coordination thatís required to perform this consistently.

P.S.There will definitely be a download @ takeachance 😉
Message: Posted by: JayCee0919 (Jun 3, 2021 11:03PM)
No worries, Lonnie. I don't get that impression at all, nor do I think you're hijacking the thread. The input is helpful...for me, anyway....cheers
Message: Posted by: PaulW (Jun 4, 2021 11:07AM)
Most of the vanishes are too knacky for me, misses too often to be comfortable doing it in the real world

However, the Flicker vanish which is the first vanish shown on the trailer and requires a set up works every time and will be my to go effect with this item
Message: Posted by: goldeneye007 (Jun 7, 2021 04:07AM)
[quote]On Jun 3, 2021, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:
[...] In fact, Iíd recommend that no one buy my release from the magic estate because thereís something in the works as of right now that is IMO superior to anything on currently on the market. [...] [/quote]
Well I can't wait :) would you be able to say whether what you refer to here will work with dollar-size coins?
Message: Posted by: Platt (Jun 9, 2021 09:23PM)
This is the first magic item I've ever returned in my life. Buyer beware. If anybody can do this sure-fire I'd love to see it, because I don't believe it can be done. The ultimate test would be a FB live video but pre-recorded video of someone, anyone performing this 10 or more times in a row would convince me.
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 16, 2021 01:07PM)
[quote]On Jun 9, 2021, Platt wrote:
This is the first magic item I've ever returned in my life. Buyer beware. If anybody can do this sure-fire I'd love to see it, because I don't believe it can be done. The ultimate test would be a FB live video but pre-recorded video of someone, anyone performing this 10 or more times in a row would convince me. [/quote]



Hey Platt, Iíve been meaning to reply to this. Sorry for the late reply. I can do this 50 times in a row as Iíve got over a decade of personal experience with this motion vanish. Iíll try and get a video up for you for your request of at least 10 times In a row. Unfortunately I will not be using the CATCH gimmick in the video because I feel my version not only predates it, but is all round better........for me. But I will absolutely be more than happy to get you a video ASAP and post it here. Or if youíd prefer, I could reach out to you in FB or email and show you. 😊 which ever one works for you my friend.
Message: Posted by: goldeneye007 (Jun 16, 2021 01:47PM)
[quote]On Jun 16, 2021, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:
[quote]On Jun 9, 2021, Platt wrote:
This is the first magic item I've ever returned in my life. Buyer beware. If anybody can do this sure-fire I'd love to see it, because I don't believe it can be done. The ultimate test would be a FB live video but pre-recorded video of someone, anyone performing this 10 or more times in a row would convince me. [/quote]



Hey Platt, Iíve been meaning to reply to this. Sorry for the late reply. I can do this 50 times in a row as Iíve got over a decade of personal experience with this motion vanish. Iíll try and get a video up for you for your request of at least 10 times In a row. Unfortunately I will not be using the CATCH gimmick in the video because I feel my version not only predates it, but is all round better........for me. But I will absolutely be more than happy to get you a video ASAP and post it here. Or if youíd prefer, I could reach out to you in FB or email and show you. 😊 which ever one works for you my friend. [/quote]
And does your version work with larger-sized coins (e.g. dollar-size coins) ? :)
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 16, 2021 02:00PM)
[quote]On Jun 16, 2021, goldeneye007 wrote:
[quote]On Jun 16, 2021, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:
[quote]On Jun 9, 2021, Platt wrote:
This is the first magic item I've ever returned in my life. Buyer beware. If anybody can do this sure-fire I'd love to see it, because I don't believe it can be done. The ultimate test would be a FB live video but pre-recorded video of someone, anyone performing this 10 or more times in a row would convince me. [/quote]



Hey Platt, Iíve been meaning to reply to this. Sorry for the late reply. I can do this 50 times in a row as Iíve got over a decade of personal experience with this motion vanish. Iíll try and get a video up for you for your request of at least 10 times In a row. Unfortunately I will not be using the CATCH gimmick in the video because I feel my version not only predates it, but is all round better........for me. But I will absolutely be more than happy to get you a video ASAP and post it here. Or if youíd prefer, I could reach out to you in FB or email and show you. 😊 which ever one works for you my friend. [/quote]
And does your version work with larger-sized coins (e.g. dollar-size coins) ? :) [/quote]


My bad goldeneye007. I completely spaced the first time you asked. I apologize. To be honest I have not tested the larger coins. The way I designed the gimmick was to address some of my favorite ideas/routines involving some of the smaller coins I used over the years. ( quarters, nickels, dimes, pennies ) I have a few dollar coins so Give me some time to test it out. If they donít work with what Iíve got I donít think it would be impossible to make some adjustments. Iíll have to get back to you on this.
Message: Posted by: goldeneye007 (Jun 17, 2021 08:17AM)
No worries at all Lonnie, and sure thank you!
Message: Posted by: Platt (Jun 17, 2021 09:23AM)
Thanks Lonnie. To quote you "my version not only predates it, but is all around better."

I have no doubt a gimmick could exist that does the job. Perhaps that's your version. I can just say with near 100% certainty that "Catch" is not that gimmick. My request still stands.

[quote]On Jun 16, 2021, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:
[quote]On Jun 9, 2021, Platt wrote:
This is the first magic item I've ever returned in my life. Buyer beware. If anybody can do this sure-fire I'd love to see it, because I don't believe it can be done. The ultimate test would be a FB live video but pre-recorded video of someone, anyone performing this 10 or more times in a row would convince me. [/quote]



Hey Platt, Iíve been meaning to reply to this. Sorry for the late reply. I can do this 50 times in a row as Iíve got over a decade of personal experience with this motion vanish. Iíll try and get a video up for you for your request of at least 10 times In a row. Unfortunately I will not be using the CATCH gimmick in the video because I feel my version not only predates it, but is all round better........for me. But I will absolutely be more than happy to get you a video ASAP and post it here. Or if youíd prefer, I could reach out to you in FB or email and show you. 😊 which ever one works for you my friend. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Jun 20, 2021 06:13PM)
Coming back into stock at Vanishing Inc., and Murphys around the end of July . . . Late night practice sessions and deep knee bends to pick up dropped coins coming up . . .
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Jul 20, 2021 02:02PM)
I have had Catch for about 2 weeks now and am enthusiastic about the concept.
Basically so much is possible with it (coin through glass, through table, transpositions, switches, etc.) if it works.
What bothers me, however, is a detail of the gimmick.
The stop function is great and very well thought out, but the gimmick does not work reliably enough in terms of the "output".
I hope itís ok to say that too often your own skin stops the coin.
There is a need for optimization here.
If someone has a 3D printer, skills, time and of course the original product, I have a few ideas to make the gimmick perfect.
With a small change, it would work far better and more reliably.
Another recommendation I have is to put anti-slip rubber tape on top.
Message: Posted by: spaceman-sam (Jul 31, 2021 11:43AM)
[quote]On May 30, 2021, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:
I was wondering why this looked so familiar. I actually release a version of this vanish through the magic estate in 2014. Coin through nose with Tyler. ( not a plug ) Joshua jay also has something from penguin way back with ďcornerĒ I believe. ( also uncredited ) The gimmick for Catch is too bulky for my liking. Thatís probably because Iím use to a much thinner gimmick ( that I created back in 2010 ) As for the restrictions on the Catch gimmick. The mouth is too wide IMO. Causing the coin to fall out when putting your arm down in a normal position. There is absolutely a way to prevent this from happening and you can move your arm freely without fear of the coin falling out also retrieving it at any time. I know. I know. My post may come off as a bit bias. It is. Because Iíve been performing this vanish for over 10 years and I have a lot of pride and experience with this Specific style of vanish.
The gimmick itself is pretty cool but, just prefer to have more control. Which is why Iím sticking to what Iíve been using.

Marcus Eddie has my upmost respect. The man has created so many necessary effects and added a great wealth of knowledge to our community. He also has the greatest smile 😊 in the magic industry.

Just my 2 cents [/quote]

Would be great to see your gimmick, sounds interesting! Any links you can share?