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Topic: Fiber optics or loose ends?
Message: Posted by: jakeg (Mar 8, 2020 02:44PM)
I woul Ike to learn a rope routine for parlor type shows. Years ago, I learned Loose Ends, never performed it though. A few years later I worked on parts of
Fiber Optics. Iím getting back into magic and want to learn a rope routine. If anyone is familiar with both, which would you recommend to work on for the best audience reaction?
Message: Posted by: MagicVin (Mar 8, 2020 11:33PM)
Iíd say go with the Mongolian pop knot by Pop Haydn. Great routine. I did a review Of the video download.
Message: Posted by: jakeg (Mar 9, 2020 08:27AM)
I have had the Haydn dvd since it first came out. After careful self analysis I came to the conclusion that it my personality would not present it properly, and I would not (or is that knot) be able to do it justice. Itís a great routine, It does not deserve to be killed the way I see so many murder it on YouTube.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Mar 12, 2020 07:29AM)
I was not familiar with the trick loose ends but I just looked it up on penguin itís a very clever routine and presentation of common moves pretty much all of which are explained in fiber optics. I do a routine made up of fiber optics moves and iíve actually been thinking of doing a more ďloose endsď like presentation because the magic happening to be is closer to my personality. Itís sort of up to you.
Message: Posted by: jakeg (Mar 12, 2020 08:06AM)
Xcath1: thanks for posting. There are a number of things that I prefer in both routines. While I prefer the pacing of Loose Ends, some of the Fiber Optic effects are mind blowing.
Iíve sort of made up my mind to learn both and eventually mix them up.
Message: Posted by: todsky (Apr 11, 2020 06:33PM)
I use stuff from Fibre Optics in my show, and it's probably the favourite trick that I perform. So much great eye candy, and all you need are three cotton ropes (and a moderate amount of practice). Highly recommended!
Message: Posted by: jakeg (Apr 11, 2020 07:01PM)
Todsky, the problem that Iím having is that Iím trying to put together a routine thatís not as long as is on the tape. So far I know that Iím going to open it with the PN, and then int a Ď1í rope routine, ending with Flips move. Iíve written and rewritten it maybe 20 times, but I keep finding weaknesses.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Apr 12, 2020 02:01PM)
Jakeg, my advice would be to stop writing and looking for weaknesses or faults. Instead, learn each routine and then rehearse each one after the other separately. Do this at least one hundred times for each routine. somewhere along the performances it should dawn on you that one thing will fit together from another routine. Then try your discovery at the point where you may think it will fit. Now continue performing this one hundred times. You will finally know if it all works together.

A person once told me when I asked, "What do you like", they replied, "I can only tell you what I don't like". People that think like this, no one can offer any help, as they will never like anything a person suggests, because they are looking for faults and weaknesses, not what may work for them.

If a person wants to succeed a person must put the physical work in, to accomplish anything.
Message: Posted by: jakeg (Apr 12, 2020 03:13PM)
Bill, youíre absolutely right.
My approach has always been to mentally visualize the routine, isolate the weak spots, eliminate them if I can, and then learn the routine until itís smooth enough to perform in front of an audience. (Thatís a long sentence). In almost 50 years of performing, my routines hardly changed. I did question/answer act with a lead in. I always thought of myself as a vaudevillian. One night stands.
I no longer work, but decided to learn a half hour magic act mainly to keep my mind active. I have no idea if Iíll ever use it.
I want you to know that you are one of the people on the Cafť who are really worth reading, and I appreciate what you have to say.
Message: Posted by: thomasR (Apr 12, 2020 03:54PM)
Since you own Pops Mongolian Pop knot Iíd suggest you learn it as well. Itís such a clever routine and maybe you can combine all 3 routines into 1 that is truly special!
Message: Posted by: jakeg (Apr 12, 2020 08:31PM)
[quote]On Apr 12, 2020, thomasR wrote:
Since you own Pops Mongolian Pop knot Iíd suggest you learn it as well. Itís such a clever routine and maybe you can combine all 3 routines into 1 that is truly special! [/quote]

Iíve tried to work with with the Pop Knot, and I came to the conclusion that it was not right for me. Iím not very innovative, although I generally can write a decent routine. Whatever I come up with might evolve into a different routine than the original one, and possibly might have elements of the Haydn routine in it. I also want my rope routine to be fairly short. Iím trying to hold the entire show down to 20 minutes that can be carried in a cigar box, and is suitable for a banquet and parlor show without the use of a table.
I think that the rope routine is the last link.
By the way, I love the Pop Knot routine. When I first got I, I had the intention of using it, but I couldnít make it entertaining enough, so I put it away.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Apr 14, 2020 12:01PM)
Jekag,

Some advice from my years of experience dealing with potential clients and booking shows.

20 minutes is okay if you are doing shows for no fee, but every show I have ever booked they wanted at least 45 minutes to an hour. This included time for applause and spectators coming up on stage to assist.

The length of time of your act is up to the client, not you, if you want to book shows.

Performing a pocket act, is one that I have designed, as well as others, it is a good way to go if the the effects are strong enough.
Message: Posted by: jakeg (Apr 14, 2020 01:22PM)
Bill:
My show was about an hour long. I also did table work in night clubs, after the show.
About 5 years ago, I lost most of my sight and am legally blind, and not able to drive. I miss the stage and would like to do some charity shows to get my hand back in. I figure that a short show is not competitive with a Ďproí, but to be honest, my friends here are all complaining about the lack of bookings. Atlantic City brings some illusion shows in, and the rest of the shows are all from buskers, and most of those I saw are pretty poor.
Most of my friends in magic are gone now. Itís a !@#$% getting old.
Message: Posted by: Ray Pierce (Apr 14, 2020 07:24PM)
It is amazing to me that so few have gone back to the original master that has inspired so much of what is being done today, George Sands. His Sandsational Rope and Rope-Sational is still the gold standard for so much that followed.
Message: Posted by: jakeg (Apr 15, 2020 05:21AM)
[quote]On Apr 14, 2020, Ray Pierce wrote:
It is amazing to me that so few have gone back to the original master that has inspired so much of what is being done today, George Sands. His Sandsational Rope and Rope-Sational is still the gold standard for so much that followed. [/quote]

George Sands routines were undoubtedly the best in itís day. The routines that we see today all stem from it bot, in my opinion, are more advanced and puzzling. Iím not sure that they are more entertaining, thatís up to the performer.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Apr 15, 2020 04:45PM)
George Sands passed way some years back. His brother set up a website and is selling George Sands complete set up booklets in one hard bound book.

I never heard of George Sands until several years back, his name was brought up on the Cafť in this section. I purchased a couple of his booklets and it was a lot of finger flinging with the rope in my opinion. The booklet titles were very similar and thus confusing as to the material within. IT is to bad, that George or his brother could not make some video of some of the routines, so we could see how they are suppose to look.

My advice to magicians wanting to present a rope routine, would be to buy his book and learn the routines in it before anything else. That way you will not be confused when considering other popular rope effects that everyone else is already presenting in their shows.

Just something to think about, if you wish to stand out and above all the rest.
Message: Posted by: Ray Pierce (Apr 15, 2020 10:40PM)
I'll admit that it took me a LONG time to learn the SandSational routine. Jonathan Neal had been doing the Rope-Sational one for years but I liked the cutting in the original. I've done it with my own take for at least 3 decades and it is a wonderfully deceptive and well designed routine but takes time to work out. I will also admit that the newer routines actually teach those moves better and make them easier to learn so I do have mixed feelings on them!
Message: Posted by: jakeg (Apr 16, 2020 04:51AM)
[quote]On Apr 15, 2020, Ray Pierce wrote:
I'll admit that it took me a LONG time to learn the SandSational routine. Jonathan Neal had been doing the Rope-Sational one for years but I liked the cutting in the original. I've done it with my own take for at least 3 decades and it is a wonderfully deceptive and well designed routine but takes time to work out. I will also admit that the newer routines actually teach those moves better and make them easier to learn so I do have mixed feelings on them! [/quote]
I started out as a family style magician, and did one of the Sands routine. I think that I mixed it up with some other rope routines that I picked up. It was well before the PC days, and I never saw it performed by anyone. It was a good show routine, but not the one that anyone talked about after show. I think that if YouTube was available, it might have been a different story. No question that both of Sands rope routines are excellent and really the fore runner for everything thatís being done today.
Message: Posted by: ddtstore (May 23, 2020 05:01PM)
I have only seen performances of it so far, but I like Fiber Optics, it is a great routine.
Message: Posted by: jakeg (May 23, 2020 05:10PM)
[quote]On May 23, 2020, Kaws wrote:
I have only seen performances of it so far, but I like Fiber Optics, it is a great routine. [/quote]

The dvd has several different routines on it. One of its best features is the ability to choose moves to make up your own routine.l
Message: Posted by: ddtstore (May 23, 2020 05:12PM)
Agreed! Gives you tools but you can put them together how you want, like the salad bar at Whole Foods if that makes any sense. haha.
Message: Posted by: Mike Maturen (May 26, 2020 10:02AM)
Fiber Optics is great. I don't do much rope work at all...I use PN, and Three Ropes and a Thousand Laughs, depending on my audience. I just purchased Three Ropes and a Baby by Richard Sanders here on the Cafť. Unfortunately, it is discontinued and out of stock elsewhere. However, it IS included on the Fiber Optics DVD. Its a great way to zip up a PN routineand do something that most others aren't doing.

All three of the aforementioned routines are versions of the original PN, obviously...which is an effect the baffles audiences even after being around forever.
Message: Posted by: Craig Petty (Jul 13, 2020 10:55AM)
As a lot of you know Iíve been posting videos recently of my 7 year old son performing magic. Partially because I am very proud of him and partly because itís frustrating for him not being able to perform for real people at the moment and he gets a buzz reading other magicians comments.

Over the last few weeks I put up videos of him doing coin manipulation, card magic, cups and balls and sponge balls. However the fibre optics routine is something very new to him - rope magic. Heís worked on this routine for a long time.

A lot of you will know Richard Sanders Fibre Optics routine. Itís very tricky and lots of phases and when Ryland started he hadnít done rope magic before.

I think heís done an amazing job and wanted to share this. Let me know what you think as he reads everyoneís comments. And if you like it please subscribe to his channel. It would mean the world to him.

Thanks everyone.

https://youtu.be/NKT64wX9E18
Message: Posted by: ddtstore (Jul 28, 2020 08:09AM)
Hey Craig,

Your son is great, I do the fiber optics routine sometimes, he performed it very very well. You are a great teacher, Craig.

[quote]On Jul 13, 2020, Craig Petty wrote:
As a lot of you know Iíve been posting videos recently of my 7 year old son performing magic. Partially because I am very proud of him and partly because itís frustrating for him not being able to perform for real people at the moment and he gets a buzz reading other magicians comments.

Over the last few weeks I put up videos of him doing coin manipulation, card magic, cups and balls and sponge balls. However the fibre optics routine is something very new to him - rope magic. Heís worked on this routine for a long time.

A lot of you will know Richard Sanders Fibre Optics routine. Itís very tricky and lots of phases and when Ryland started he hadnít done rope magic before.

I think heís done an amazing job and wanted to share this. Let me know what you think as he reads everyoneís comments. And if you like it please subscribe to his channel. It would mean the world to him.

Thanks everyone.

https://youtu.be/NKT64wX9E18 [/quote]
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Jul 28, 2020 11:02PM)
Fiber optics has a bunch of loose ends. hehe. look at my prof. nightflare to one rope ending clean for something new.
Message: Posted by: Alyx (Jan 19, 2021 01:02PM)
I know this is an old thread, but Craig Petty, I just watched the Youtube link to your son's video. I've never really cared for PN. I learned it as a child and it worked great for me then, but then I dismissed it. I sat watching your son, and then he started stretching those ropes... My God. My jaw hit the table. I'm not familiar with Rich Sander's routine, and I was just waiting for the setup and it didn't come. Then Bang! I was utterly shocked. Your son gave me the gift of experiencing magic as a layman. I have very, very rarely felt that in the last decade and a half. What a gift.

Great job he is doing. Well done.