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Topic: Easy to Read/Marked Deck
Message: Posted by: Nat (Mar 26, 2020 07:55PM)
Please suggest "easiest to read" marked decks -- as a senior hobbyist, my eyesight isn't what it use to be...thanks.
Message: Posted by: Jxb1989 (Mar 26, 2020 10:50PM)
Penguin marked decks. There are 6 different sets of very visible markings. A mixture of the wild/Lesley/gt style systems ...plus a brick for 60.00 shipped. Cannot beat it
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Mar 27, 2020 03:27AM)
Phoenix Marked Decks are great and easy to read even with my bad eyesight. DMC are kind of easy once you know where and how to read them, pretty straight forward. Henry Evans "Daredevil Deck" by Card-Shark (Phoenix) are the absolute easiest to read (and yes, I have had them fly right past spectators before.

Boris Wild can be a bit tricky both in (mandolin or maiden. whichever Bike Back he uses now) and the Phoenix Boris Wilds are the same as the Bikes.
Message: Posted by: CopperChopCup (Apr 20, 2020 01:27PM)
Check out Kevin Reyleks work on this with his Mainframe booklet. Very easy to read.
Message: Posted by: thegreatscungilli (Apr 20, 2020 04:55PM)
If you are looking for reader decks, I would second the vote for the Penguin Decks..good quality and a good price plus you get video downloads with a couple of decent routines and they come in both blue and red. I am not sure if you are used to working with this kind of deck but you might have to be a bit more subtle in your handling with these so as not to "tip the gaffe" since there are more possibilities to have a spectator spot them.

Also, second the vote for DMC's these are one of my favorites and my go to decks if I think it might be an audience that would be burning my hands...very hard for a spectator to pick up but easy to read once you get used to them.

If you do not want a reader deck then the Butterfly deck by Ondrej Psenicka is very good. Not a reader deck so they take some practice but they have some advantages in how they are done...and they are one way as well..I would say these would be about impossible for a spectator to spot even if they handled the deck. They MIGHT spot the one way design if they thought about it.

One last thought, you can use some special stuff that is available and make your own..it works best with Bee design decks but will work with Bikes as well..if you do it right it can can be seen from quite a distance, about impossible for spectator to spot but easy for you...since you know exactly where and what to look for..takes some practice to get it right though..you'll probably ruin a couple of decks before you get a good one. Advantage is that you can make it as big or as small as you personally need it to be.

You can buy decks from a couple of suppliers that are ready made this way, but they are expensive...$50.00 per deck for Bees and $45 for Bikes but you can see them from as much as 15 feet away and they are examinable. PM me if you want more info.
Message: Posted by: whiteoakcanyon (Apr 21, 2020 01:59AM)
I also have a difficult time reading marked decks. The DMC decks are the ones I use now and highly recommend them.
Message: Posted by: EndersGame (May 7, 2020 09:52AM)
As far as reader style marked decks go, I also recommend:
- marked Maiden Back decks (from Penguin)
- DMC Elites

For some more suggestions, see some of the coverage in this article, which includes details about both of the aforementioned decks as well.

[b]7 Top Marked Decks[/b]
https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=713303

[img]https://i.imgur.com/fufm5Us.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: TH10111 (May 8, 2020 02:16AM)
Diamond Jim Tyler's deck also has a great marking system: http://djtyler.com/product/diamond-playing-cards/
Message: Posted by: EndersGame (May 8, 2020 02:29AM)
[quote]On May 8, 2020, TH10111 wrote:
Diamond Jim Tyler's deck also has a great marking system: http://djtyler.com/product/diamond-playing-cards/ [/quote]
Oh, that is really clever - what a great reader system that is beautifully incorporated into the design.

([i]Nine of Diamonds, King of Hearts, Ace of Spades[/i])

[img]http://djtyler.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Dcards-markings.jpg[/img]

Thanks for making me aware of this deck!
Message: Posted by: magicwiia (May 12, 2020 08:13AM)
I have the DMC Elite and would recommend it. Diamond Jim Taylor's deck is very clever.
Message: Posted by: Nikodemus (Dec 29, 2020 05:07PM)
I have poor eyesight (even with glasses/contacts). I reviewed about 6 decks quite recently here on the Café. For me the Penguin deck was the clear winner for two reasons
(1) Easy to read
(2) MUCH cheaper than DMC which were the only others I quite liked.

FYI- the marks on Jim Taylor deck were MUCH too small for me. Shame, because it is a brilliant design.
Message: Posted by: EndersGame (Dec 29, 2020 05:17PM)
For the record, it's [url=https://djtyler.com/]Diamond Jim [b]Tyler[/b][/url], not Taylor.
Message: Posted by: rrubin98 (Dec 30, 2020 11:24PM)
Another vote here for the DMC Elites (as long as you're not performing for magicians/mentalists, who will likely recognize this deck).

Richard
Message: Posted by: Haruspex (Jan 5, 2021 01:20PM)
As far as readability goes Henry Evans's Daredevil Deck is one of the clearest on the market.
Personally I find the markings far to obvious, but they may work in certain effects.
Message: Posted by: peppermeat2000 (Jan 9, 2021 12:08AM)
Once I get used to the markings of ANY marked deck, I begin to feel insecure in that they are too obvious. fortunately I perform often using a marked deck ( I have used every deck mentioned above) and have never been "caught". The thing is that many lay-folk will automatically cite a marked deck as being in play even when the magician is using a normal one. This used to make me feel guilty and I would do my best to quickly ditch my marked deck once the assumption was blurted out.

I sometimes reply to the marked deck comment by agreeing with the spectator in that magicians used to use marked cards the same way gamblers did. However, it is now punishable by law if you are in possession of a marked deck whether a gambler or magician...it's funny how many people will nod their heads in agreement as if they already knew this "fact".

As far as my go to marked deck...I gotta say DMC has been my go to. Lighting at gigs can always be unpredictable. DMC has been the most reliable in MOST low-light settings.
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Jan 10, 2021 02:48PM)
[quote]On Jan 5, 2021, Haruspex wrote:
As far as readability goes Henry Evans's Daredevil Deck is one of the clearest on the market.
Personally I find the markings far to obvious, but they may work in certain effects. [/quote]
They work well if you do not draw attention to them. I performed 3 effects at a magic meeting (when they first came out) and no one said anything (these guys are always quick to call you out). I told one of my buddies what I had done and he couldn’t believe how easy they were once I showed him, so I did a card effect the next week with them and no one noticed again (my friend even told me he struggled to see the marks even though he couldn’t “un-see” them a month earlier. With any marked or gaffed deck, presentation is the key. If you do not act like the cards are “carrying the water”, they won’t suspect it.
Message: Posted by: michaelpenkul (Jan 11, 2021 01:08AM)
I agree with the boys above, why run if you're not being chased? The audience expects it to be a normal deck, and won't think otherwise until you give them a reason to. The most deceptive way to use marked decks in my opinion is to use the markings sparingly and not rely on them too much in your presentation. I mark my own cards, and in performance, I will do many tricks that don't involve the markings at all, because if you're relying on it less, the spectators are less likely to resort to that as a solution. Then when you do drop a trick that uses the markings, the spectators are floored. On top of that, it's a great tool to use whenever a heckler will grab a card and try to challenge you.
Message: Posted by: Haruspex (Jan 11, 2021 04:40AM)
[quote]On Jan 10, 2021, Poof-Daddy wrote:
[quote]On Jan 5, 2021, Haruspex wrote:
As far as readability goes Henry Evans's Daredevil Deck is one of the clearest on the market.
Personally I find the markings far to obvious, but they may work in certain effects. [/quote]
They work well if you do not draw attention to them. I performed 3 effects at a magic meeting (when they first came out) and no one said anything (these guys are always quick to call you out). I told one of my buddies what I had done and he couldn’t believe how easy they were once I showed him, so I did a card effect the next week with them and no one noticed again (my friend even told me he struggled to see the marks even though he couldn’t “un-see” them a month earlier. With any marked or gaffed deck, presentation is the key. If you do not act like the cards are “carrying the water”, they won’t suspect it. [/quote]

I agree that very often any type of marking will fly by perfectly. The reason why I find these to obvious is the result of the first time I saw them. I first saw this deck when someone was doing an effect with it. I wasn't following the effect but just walked by and looked over at some cards lying on the table and the markings just jumped out to me. The fact that I saw the marking when just glancing over and seeing a couple of cards lying face down on the table, made me couscous.

Of course as you mention above, all depends on circumstances, you may notice them today and not notice next month.
I just don't share the assumption that nobody will notice, as some magicians state. Sometimes people just see the marks without looking for them.
Unless you are performing an effect which ( due to presentation or otherwise) cannot be explained by the use of marked cards or effects where not many cards are left out on the table, open for inspection ( as is the case in many gambling demonstrations), I would choose a more subtle system.
Message: Posted by: livejeh (Jan 16, 2021 01:05AM)
Plus one for Penguins deck. They are good quality and very easy to read!
Message: Posted by: Rodeo (Jan 19, 2021 11:53AM)
Another vote for Penguin's. Plus you have the option of back colour, regular or jumbo index, and are very cost effective (only $5/deck if you buy a brick).
Message: Posted by: eddini (Jan 26, 2021 04:57PM)
[quote]On May 12, 2020, magicwiia wrote:
I have the DMC Elite and would recommend it. Diamond Jim Taylor's deck is very clever. [/quote]

That's a great deck great markings I was able to pick them up lol. For me I use the penguin as the markings are great and as said above you can get a brick for $60.00. The best deal around. I've owned about every marked deck out there. The worst for me was Boris Wild's deck. My favorites have been the SUM Deck, and The Code by Andy Nyman. Recently I bought Jermay's Marksman Deck. It's clever but you need good eyesight. Again you can't go wrong with Penguin's Marked Cards.

Ed, [Eddini]
Message: Posted by: Kassim (Feb 23, 2021 12:29AM)
Boris wild marked deck are great
Message: Posted by: michaelpenkul (Feb 23, 2021 04:04AM)
[quote]On Jan 26, 2021, eddini wrote:

The worst for me was Boris Wild's deck. [/quote]

[quote]On Feb 23, 2021, Kassim wrote:
Boris wild marked deck are great [/quote]

Fascinating how much opinions can differ based on preference. Maybe we can offer a few reasons why we like particular versions.
Message: Posted by: Kassim (Feb 24, 2021 11:27AM)
[quote]On Feb 23, 2021, michaelpenkul wrote:
[quote]On Jan 26, 2021, eddini wrote:

The worst for me was Boris Wild's deck. [/quote]

[quote]On Feb 23, 2021, Kassim wrote:
Boris wild marked deck are great [/quote]

Fascinating how much opinions can differ based on preference. Maybe we can offer a few reasons why we like particular versions. [/quote]

i prefer this deck because I can see the marking from a distance and find any card in a matter of seconds :)
Message: Posted by: todsky (Feb 28, 2021 02:36PM)
The DMC’s are by far the most popular marked decks sold at my store, for whatever that’s worth.
Message: Posted by: Osyris706 (Mar 25, 2021 10:55PM)
Ease of reading I'd say the penguin marked deck and the DMC's.

The penguin marked decks are cheaper so you don't have to worry about messing the cards up in any way.

The new DMC's come in mnemonica and have markings for that as well.

DMC's have a unique marking system which makes them easier to read further away from than other marked cards.

Both are nice. Imo
Message: Posted by: Nikodemus (Mar 28, 2021 05:28PM)
[quote]
Fascinating how much opinions can differ based on preference. Maybe we can offer a few reasons why we like particular versions. [/quote]

I think the principle behind the Boris Wild deck is very clever indeed - but the marks are too small for my feeble eyes.

In fact most markings are too small for me - which is why I like the Penguin deck and the DMC.
I don't find the DMC significantly more readable than the Penguins. So Penguin is my preference because the price tips the balance.
Message: Posted by: shakuni (Jun 4, 2021 03:08AM)
Based on all the replies, DMC's are clear winners, but what about marksmen deck? How do they compare to DMC? Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Nikodemus (Jun 8, 2021 03:59PM)
You can see the markings on the pic here -
https://www.martinsmagic.com/allmagic/cards/marksman-deck-by-luke-jermay/

They are very clear, maybe too obvious. They are not integrated into the pattern, the way they are on most decks.
Also this is VERY expensive ($35)
Message: Posted by: EndersGame (Jun 8, 2021 07:30PM)
Here's the image showing the backs of the Marksman Deck very clearly:

[url=https://i.imgur.com/6i3O55N.jpg]Image detail: Marksman Deck card back[/url]

Has anyone used this deck, and if so can you comment on whether this escaped the attention of spectators?

It does seem to me that its usage is limited by how obvious the markings are.
Message: Posted by: shakuni (Jun 8, 2021 10:10PM)
Thank you, one of my friend had the Marksman Deck and I examined it. I think its completely unusable for my purpose as the marks are extremely obvious. Even if you are not looking for them, they call out to you since they are not blended in the design.

Does anyone know where I can find the brooklyn v2 marked cards? It seems the marks on those are very well codes but can be read from the distance as well.

Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Paul Rathbun (Jun 10, 2021 10:17AM)
[quote]On Apr 20, 2020, CopperChopCup wrote:
Check out Kevin Reyleks work on this with his Mainframe booklet. Very easy to read. [/quote]


I second this suggestion. If you are looking for easy to read this is a great option.
Message: Posted by: Orlan (Jun 10, 2021 07:21PM)
[quote]On Jun 8, 2021, shakuni wrote:
Thank you, one of my friend had the Marksman Deck and I examined it. I think its completely unusable for my purpose as the marks are extremely obvious. Even if you are not looking for them, they call out to you since they are not blended in the design.

Does anyone know where I can find the brooklyn v2 marked cards? It seems the marks on those are very well codes but can be read from the distance as well.

Thanks! [/quote]


I really liked the Brooklyn playing cards, unfortunately I discovered them a bit late and only grabbed two decks (that I've kept mostly unused). I haven't been able to find them in stock anywhere either.
I emailed them in November (the email is listed on their website) to ask about a reprint, and the answer was that they will probably reprint at some point in the future - and to subscribe to their newsletter for an announcement.