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Topic: Doing live show for kids via Zoom
Message: Posted by: danfreed (Apr 2, 2020 11:33AM)
Has anyone tried doing a live show via Zoom? I have a client that wants me to do a 20-30 min live interactive show for the kids of their clients, probably 20 kids who will be in their own homes. If you've tried it, how did it go? My regular show is a mix of magic, vent and gags with volunteers for about half my stuff and all very interactive. I told the client that I don't know how well it will go, but I'm guessing it will at least be OK. I'll have a bunch of material ready so if 1 type of thing isn't working I can switch to stuff that is working well. The client doesn't know the age range. I'll suggest the parents supervise, especially the younger kids, in case I have issues since I'm not in person. I might even teach them a trick or 2 if the show isn't working. I've only used Zoom once for a group meeting for my improv group, we are going to try and do a Match Game type of show for adults with 9 of us on Zoom.
Message: Posted by: stempleton (Apr 2, 2020 03:14PM)
Like the idea, but how do you do an "interactive" show online?
Message: Posted by: danfreed (Apr 2, 2020 03:42PM)
I'll be able to see them and talk to them, so I can do my usual stuff except for them coming up front to assist with the wands, physically pick a color from a bag, etc. But I can still get them to use stuff they have at home for a wand, etc. I don't know how well a zoom show will work, but I know some guys are doing it already. One guy on FB said he has 5 zoom shows this weekend.
Message: Posted by: stempleton (Apr 3, 2020 03:44PM)
Oh, that's very cool. Just saw a news report last night that zoom is being targeted by hackers... one guy had 100 people online and then racial slurs began appearing along with obscene drawings. just fyi. good luck with your endeavors.
Message: Posted by: aheller5 (Apr 4, 2020 06:23PM)
That's a great question dan I was thinking the same. I had 3 clients ask me to do a zoom I have no clue what to say.i was going to do a shorter show and charge a very very small fee and tell them to donate whatever they want to a hospital by getting them pizza pies....i just don't know what tricks would be good to perform and its hard to do without volunteers....i can have my kids help me as volunteers. any ideas? thanks
Message: Posted by: stempleton (Apr 5, 2020 02:44PM)
Folks, this is a very topical offering... one online dealer is selling a download script for a presentation that centers around teaching 3-6 year olds about proper handwashing and other practices that uses typical children magic props (most of which you have) in a completely hands off, no volunteer presentation. I purchased it, and to be honest it's overpriced, considering you can brainstorm your own routines quite easily. BUT... it did get me inspired to do so, and so I think it was worth it. With this downtime, it's a great time to get creative.
Message: Posted by: noland (Apr 6, 2020 11:36AM)
I spoke to my friend and fellow DC area children's entertainer, The Great Zucchini, last week. He's started doing a truncated version (25 minutes long) of his kids' show online. He told me had already done several and had booked an additional 17.
Message: Posted by: danfreed (Apr 6, 2020 02:36PM)
Yeah, Zucchini said on another forum to put the kids on mute, but I'm not clear why, maybe they talk too much, but laughter and crowd energy is contagious. So it would seem tough to get the kids laughing and engaged without hearing each other. I don't know, I'll see on Thursday.
Message: Posted by: noland (Apr 6, 2020 03:33PM)
Zucchini told me that if any kid has his smart phone on unmute and then makes a sound, the image everyone sees on their screen shifts at that moment from the performer to the kid making the sound. Every member of the audience has to mute their device in order for the performer's image and performance to remain in continuous view.
Message: Posted by: danfreed (Apr 7, 2020 03:21AM)
Evidently you can get around that problem of the performer not always being the biggest view by spotlighting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsYvG-jkBJQ https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362653
Message: Posted by: danfreed (Apr 9, 2020 01:10PM)
I just did my first Zoom show for about 20 kids, for the kids of a company's clients. The client was happy. I would say the results were a mixed bag. Some material that works well in person didn't seem to work well. I recorded it so I'll go back and learn from it for next time. I tried both muting everyone and unmuting. I ended up leaving it on unmute most of the time cause I needed to hear how they were reacting, and it's hard to be funny and play to the group without hearing them. But there was one kid who was playing a toy keyboard on and off, I asked him to stop but of course that didn't work well. I should have made a few ground rules before I started, and maybe even emailed the info for the client to pass along with the invite, though I did ask the client to request that the parents be with the kids. I did one virtual gag with a virtual video in the background, that worked out well.
Message: Posted by: aheller5 (Apr 9, 2020 02:46PM)
Have not heard good things that's why I'm not doing!!!! and I don't want other people watching not see the real me!!!!!
Message: Posted by: longdeademperor (Apr 11, 2020 05:41PM)
Thanks for posting those links about the Spotlighting feature on Zoom, Dan. It makes a massive difference.
Message: Posted by: eric.qq (Apr 13, 2020 01:23PM)
Thanks Danfreed! the Spotlight vs Pin Video in Zoom rocks!
Just curious how much will everyone charge for the zoom show? half price or even less?
I haven't got any virtual show yet. still trying.
Message: Posted by: danfreed (Apr 13, 2020 01:58PM)
Yeah, I'm curious what people are charging also. I did my last one for less than half price, and my birthday one I have next is less than 1/3rd price. The reason it's so cheap is cause it will take me a while to get the hang of doing a consistent show, they are done from home, and they are shorter shows, and people will be more likely to try it if it's not expensive. The one I did was around 25 minutes and the next will be 15-20 min. One thing I realized is that for the birthday I have scheduled, the mom wants to greet and chat with guests before the show and do cake/singing after the show, so she wants to host it rather than me. So I told her to put me on spotlight most of the time and she can cut to the birthday child sometimes. She also said she will monitor kids talking and mute the ones who are a problem.
Message: Posted by: danfreed (Apr 13, 2020 04:11PM)
Really good info and ideas: https://vimeopro.com/user21422866/msmc-459udc and here: http://www.jamesthemagician.com/magicians/ . I assume it's OK to post those links since it was public via FB.
Message: Posted by: TrickyRicky (Apr 13, 2020 11:30PM)
I've just finished setting up ZOOM. I'm anxious to see how my first performance on ZOOM will work out. I do have a show put together that don't need helpers. That is going to be a bit strange, after so many years of interacting with children.
Tricky Ricky
Message: Posted by: aheller5 (Apr 15, 2020 09:04PM)
I'm thinking about maybe putting together a little show not sure what tricks would be good for zoom?
Message: Posted by: TomBoleware (Apr 16, 2020 10:59AM)
Be good to get a list of names of the kids and then mention them in the show.

Maybe say something like I can see you.:)

Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Apr 16, 2020 11:16AM)
Reminds me of the old Romper Room
Message: Posted by: longdeademperor (Apr 17, 2020 07:49PM)
If the client prefers to be the host (particularly if you are dropping in to perform a 30 minute set within a larger birthday party Zoom conference that the client is running), have the client make you a co-host from their computer. Then, once you are a co-host, you can Spotlight your own video so that the audience members see you and your show take up most of the available space on their individual computer screens.

The audience needs to know that they must watch in Speaker View (which shows the person currently speaking) rather than Gallery View (which shows all the attendees in a mosaic of much smaller autonomous images). The mosaic format will make you and your show look very small on their screen and what the other attendees are doing simultaneously may also be distracting.

To help you with audience interaction, even if you are ‘Spotlighted’ as the main speaker, you can select Gallery View for your own computer and you can see all the audience at once - assuming you are performing to less than 20 different households/computer screens.
Message: Posted by: danfreed (May 27, 2020 08:57AM)
Well, I didn't expect to be mentioned in Barron's magazine, but you never know. It's about a Zoom show I did, I think it was my first one. Second paragraph from bottom: https://www.barrons.com/articles/top-advisors-give-back-during-covid-crisis-51590501376?mod=RTA . By the way, I only found out cause I subscribe to Google Alerts, which I suggest doing so you know whenever you are mention online.
Message: Posted by: MeetMagicMike (Jun 5, 2020 07:52PM)
I just thought of an idea to make the Zoom show feel more like you're really there. Ask the parent to put a box on a table. In your show tell the kids that for the next trick you need a fork (for instance). Send them off looking for a fork then ask them to put it in the box. You then reach into your box and pull out a fork and do a trick with it.

At the endo fo the show you put all the borrowed items back in the box and ask the kids to put them away.

If you have jumbo props like a giant pencil you could ask the kids to put a pencil in the box and then something goes wron and the pencil turns into a giant pencil on your end.
Message: Posted by: Russo (Jun 6, 2020 07:46AM)
Mike, GREAT ideas - at 83, not real P/C literate - only have a laptop ,daughter gave me a while ago -so just surf and communicate and learn how to operate this thing - talk to my Vent, figure (L-O-L). Again , great ideas for Kid participate in this isolation age. Ralph
Message: Posted by: TrickyRicky (Jun 8, 2020 09:05AM)
One problem is, most use their phone to watch the performance. Phones microphone are not very strong and with the kids sitting back, you can hardly hear their voices.
Also, I send the customer instruction sheets to forward to the viewers. One is for viewers to right click on Tricky Ricky and select PIN MY VIDEO, this allows them to see me at all times, no matter who talks.
Most don't comply, because they like to see their faces shows up on the screen.
The best way to have a good performance is for the views to use a laptop, Desktop or iPad' no TV screen or you will get a feed back or echo.
Tricky Ricky
Message: Posted by: Paul Draper (Sep 13, 2020 05:10PM)
Thursday I start my final series of classes on "Succeeding with Magic on Zoom" for the McBride Magic & Mystery School for 2020.
I still have a few spaces available.


3 classes at least 2 hours each for a total of $195.
Special guest speakers from Hollywood, Broadway, San Fransisco, and Las Vegas.

Class 1: All About Technology
Class 2: Tricks and Performance
Class 3: Buisness, Marjeting & Sales
The link is in the comments! Join us.

Some of the amazing guest speakers!
Vegas Headliner: Jeff McBride
TV producer: Michael Gutenplan
Broadway Musical Director: Micah Young
Award winning performer: Christian Cagigal
Zoom stage managers: Scix Maddix & Scott SteelFyre
Broadway production manager: Tobias Beckwith

Message: Posted by: longdeademperor (Sep 13, 2020 11:29PM)
Paul's class was excellent!