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Topic: The Web Worlds scariest magic trick????
Message: Posted by: Zeldaboy1111 (Jul 23, 2002 06:41PM)
Is "The Web" really the world's scariest magic trick. What do you think? Also is it easy to perform? :devilish:
Message: Posted by: dpe666 (Jul 23, 2002 07:40PM)
I don't think that The Web is Bizarre Magick. I think that it is more of a gag than anything else. Yes, technically, it is easy to perform. No, it is not easy to present.
Message: Posted by: Greg Arce (Jul 23, 2002 11:13PM)
I guess it depends if you perform on someone who has arachniphobia. But then again someone might have a dreaded fear of spongy things so don't do your favorite Goshman routine on them.
Greg
Message: Posted by: dpe666 (Jul 23, 2002 11:52PM)
A person with Arachniphobia is the PERFECT person to do this trick on! :devilish:
Message: Posted by: Peter Marucci (Jul 24, 2002 05:09AM)
The Web may not be the world's scariest trick but it's certainly in the running for the world's dorkiest! :evil:
cheers,
Peter Marucci
showtimecol@aol.com
Message: Posted by: Darmoe (Jul 24, 2002 10:43AM)
Once again Peter, your words prove profound :lol:

There are three "Effects" in particular I would deem as the most frightening (when done right), each of which are major illusions -- the Cremation, Buzz Saw, and Impalement.

There is an auditory effect (kindof... not really audible, but involves the translation of sound) I know of, created by Bizarrest Ron Brashear that, according to the tales told, made Max Maven jump, turn much more pale than normal and even stammer a bit... this item is sold by invitation only for around $60k last I heard (please don't ask me for details.)
Message: Posted by: Andy Leviss (Jul 24, 2002 03:58PM)
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On 2002-07-24 00:52, dpe666 wrote:
A person with Arachniphobia is the PERFECT person to do this trick on! :devilish:
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I wonder if sentiments like this are why magicians have such a bad rep with the lay public. Scaring the living s**t out of people with a magic trick like that isn't exactly a way to make a good impression. Yes, in bizarre we like to play with people's fears, but to a limit. Putting a spider on the back of the hand of somebody with arachnophobia is going a bit too far.
Message: Posted by: Philemon Vanderbeck (Jul 24, 2002 04:33PM)
The most frightening effect is me performing the Hippity Hop Rabbits.

:evilgrin:
Message: Posted by: dpe666 (Jul 24, 2002 05:32PM)
I was kidding Andy :devilish:
Message: Posted by: Greg Arce (Jul 24, 2002 05:59PM)
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On 2002-07-24 17:33, Philemon wrote:
The most frightening effect is me performing the Hippity Hop Rabbits.

:evilgrin:


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If you also did them while wearing a sequin outfit and heels, well, I would never be able to sleep again.
Greg :rotf: :rotf:
Message: Posted by: Andy Leviss (Jul 24, 2002 09:36PM)
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On 2002-07-24 18:32, dpe666 wrote:
I was kidding Andy :devilish:
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I kinda hoped so, but not everybody reading this would realize that, and all we need is one person to think, "Hey, that's a great idea!" and go do it :o1
Message: Posted by: Philemon Vanderbeck (Jul 25, 2002 12:23PM)
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On 2002-07-24 18:59, Greg Arce wrote:
If you also did them while wearing a sequin outfit and heels, well, I would never be able to sleep again.
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How did you know?

:evilgrin:
Message: Posted by: Necromancer (Aug 8, 2002 04:44PM)
I've got to say it: if you want to scare somebody, you need to personally involve them. Just look at the difference between a seances and that other mainstay of scare-lovers everywhere, haunted house attractions.

Seance: a personal experience. You're at a table in a small group of people. The small room is closed (and may never open, if this thing gets out of control). You're holding hands with people you don't know (if this is a commercial seance). You're actively trying to invoke spirits of the departed. And you're wrapped in absolute and unrelenting darkness.

Haunted house: a more impersonal experience. You're part of a line that just keeps going -- you saw the other end of it, so you know people come out just fine. You're herded through a maze of open rooms, so there's no sense of claustrophobia. From time to time, things jump out at you (good for a couple of jolts) or you watch dioramas of traditional horror tableaus (interesting, but not scary).

As a magick performer, I don't think you can get much more frightening than the atmosphere you control in a seance. (The only other situation where you could command that level of control would be at private reading, but that isn't the responsible place for such things.)

What's the scariest single magick effect to do in a seance setting? In my experience, it would have to be the chestnut of having the name of somebody's dearly departed, although unknown to you, appear before the audience member. Where it appears (your arm, somebody else's, an index card) and in what form (blood, welts, ashes) is entirely immaterial. Yes, it's technically simple, and been around forever, but it is pure audience involvement -- it's their loved one's name, they didn't say it, you couldn't know it, and here it is.

Done effectively, it packs the emotional power of a hammer.
Message: Posted by: Seance (Aug 10, 2002 02:30PM)
Necromancer
You've hit the nail on the head as far as I'm concerned. The difference between giving a scare at a seance versus "The Web" is that in the former, you are frightening the whole audience at a time which means whatever happens, happens to all of them at the same time. The latter is meant to frighten the individual at the expense of the rest of the audience. I personally have never seen the advantage of humiliating an audience member in front of the rest of the audience. It just doesn't sit well with me. I have only done "The Web" for my immediate family, whom I know do not have arachniphobia, so it is a little better in my mind. I will never do it in a commercial setting.
Just my $0.04 - (inflation, y'know)
Message: Posted by: Necromancer (Aug 12, 2002 10:01PM)
On second thought, perhaps I answered too hastily.

Philemon's presentation of Hippity Hop Rabbits might be scarier. Especially when he gets into the whole "infected rodents spreading the Black Plague throughout Europe" patter line.
Message: Posted by: Shenaniganz (Aug 16, 2002 10:20AM)
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On 2002-07-23 19:41, Zeldaboy1111 wrote:
Is "The Web" really the world's scariest magic trick. What do you think? Also is it easy to perform?
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Its not the scariest- It might be one of the most startling. Yes it is easy to execute. The performing part depends on you.

So many magi are turned off by this effect. I have only ***** off one guy with this. (and I wasnt doing it to him-it was his girlfriend who hit him in the crotch trying to shake the spider off her hand) I think it depends on how and who you present it to. There is always a good way and a bad way to show anything. I dont like sucker effects- well... I dont like to make people look or feel stupid. I believe that makes you look like an ***. You have to have the right personality, and attitude. Sponge balls could make people feel dumb or embarassed when played a certain way, but if you do it right its a very magical and enjoyable experience.
Message: Posted by: shrink (Aug 22, 2002 06:24PM)
I have heard of sitters actually having heart attacks at seances. One Bizarrist I spoke to told me that he ended the show with a loud pyrotechnic, and a bright flash. He got everyone to bow their heads inmemory of all the loved ones that had passed. According to him the atmosphere was really intense and just at the right moment he fired off the finishing touch. Now I could imagine with all the emotional stuff going on and the sudden noise and flash, someone could easily have a heart attack. I'm not sure if this is taking things to far?
Message: Posted by: Hoelderlin (Aug 26, 2002 01:02PM)
In another forum someone told that he uses The Raven to instantaneously change a metallic scrabble with a real bug (but this is sadomagic more than bizarre ;) ). I would never be able to perform this trick, because, before the magician must palm the beetle. Brr!
Message: Posted by: Magicman0323 (Aug 27, 2002 11:26AM)
I don't use the web to be scary all that much, because once the shock of the spider being there is gone, then what? :hrmph:

Instead I use mine as comedy. I have the spider appear on MY hand, I freak and shake him off, only to have him bounce off the ground, get a little mad at being mistaken for a basketball, and lunge back onto my body trying to "attack me." The result being something from a Chris Farley movie with me trying to crush the little running, biting spider with my fists, rolling on the ground, and inflicting more pain on myself then sitting through a 10 hour Teletubbie marathon. :yikes: :(

This gets mixed reactions from the spectators, one reaction is to jump at the sight of the spider, and the loud scream from me. The second is breaking down into hysterics while thinking that any moment the people from the insane asylum will be here to take me home. I got the moment of surprise/fear I was looking for at the beginning, and I made them laugh which is the bottom line of what I want to accomplish on almost 80% of the magic I perform.

Note: I use 2 spiders instead of one, and neither is hurt in assisting with the routine. :lol:
Message: Posted by: openatlast (Aug 27, 2002 12:32PM)
I think The Web is a practical joke not a professional magic trick. I would NEVER perform this on someone I didn't know and only after I determined they were good sports. This is a gottcha effect lacking any emotional involvement, but fun to pull on the annoying brother-in-law.
Message: Posted by: McCritical (Aug 28, 2002 08:02AM)
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On 2002-08-22 19:24, shrink wrote:
One Bizarrist I spoke to told me that he ended the show with a loud pyrotechnic, and a bright flash. He got everyone to bow their heads inmemory of all the loved ones that had passed. According to him the atmosphere was really intense and just at the right moment he fired off the finishing touch.
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"Uncle Fred assures me you'll all be joining him soon...and he wants to reveal a little preview of what to expect!"

(cue pyrotechnics)

"Thank you Ladies and Gentlemen, you've been a wonderful audience. See ya in Hell!"
Message: Posted by: Dr.Morton (Aug 29, 2002 06:44AM)
here is my version of the worlds scariest trick:
1. read out some parts of John S. Marr`s " Wormwood". if you know the book, you will know the right parts.
2. perform the "Noodle Cup" routine. use an earthworm instead of the ring and maybe a yoghurt cup instead of the noodle cup.
3. now comes the scarry part - explain how the trick works. i guess a lot of poeple in the audience will start to buy only canned products in the future.
Message: Posted by: DavidKenney (Aug 30, 2002 11:16PM)
I think we as magicians – especially new magicians get caught up in words that don’t really apply to magic.

Best, worst, scariest, etc – these are opinion. What is best for me – may not be best for you?

Would you ask – What is the best movie in the world? Or for this topic – what is the scariest movie in the world? I might think that the original Nicholson “The Shinning” is by far the scariest, but you might be more of a fan of the classics and mention “The Birds” or “Psycho” – or you could be a fan of the splatterpunk era and insist that “Texas Chainsaw massacre” is the scariest.

Nobody is right – nobody is wrong – this is all opinion.

This is ever so true in our art. If I tried to pull off a sponge ball routine, no matter how hard I might want to be good at them – my persona – just isn’t “sponge worthy.” It’s not me and my spectators could see that. Case in point, I don’t do children’s magic – why? Because I come across as a jerk a lot of times. I don’t try to – it’s just me.

What do I “think” is a scary trick” Do you want my opinion? Well, a rubber spider is not my idea of scary – that ranks right up there with elementary school haunted houses. I once scared my art teacher with a single bill levitation and I wasn’t trying to – but it scared her (I didn’t even know she was watching).

Blaine scared the living (expletive deleted) out of that lady on the street when he pulled the thread from his stomach – she pulled her child away to protect him from the evil magician! Did you see that one?

Each one of us – defines “scary” and “best” and “worst” in a different way.

Forgive my Jedi-like words, but – “You must find your own path my young padewan.”

My two cents – hope that helps,
Message: Posted by: Martin Carli (Sep 2, 2002 08:13AM)
I agree that to use the term "scariest" is a matter of opinion. The Web doesn't leave anything to the spectator's imagination (and what goes on in our imaginations is MUCH more scarier than anything we can show anyone), or maybe he/she will imagine that we are an a**hole like this all the time trying to scare people off in a cheap manner! Also, you will never catch me in a bizarre setting making a plastic prop appear like that. But then again, this is just my opinion...

Later...

Martin
Message: Posted by: qkeli (Sep 2, 2002 08:22AM)
the bean in the eye by penn and teller!!!
great trick!!!