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Topic: More Research: Coins through Silk
Message: Posted by: Alex Linian (Jun 6, 2004 08:57PM)
For my competiton act, I am considering putting together a coins through silk routine. So once again, I have to do some research. Please list as many published coin through silk routines as you can think of. Thanks,
Alex Linian
Message: Posted by: RxGregory (Jun 6, 2004 09:51PM)
Check out David Roth's Ultimate Coin Magic Collection Volume 2. There are 12 different routines with coins and silk:

A Coin & Silk Routine—an elegant routine where a coin is magically produced from a handkerchief and is then passed straight through it.
Breast Pocket Coin Vanish—a great utility vanish that can be used on its own or as an addition to an existing routine.
Coin Through Ring 1 and 2 —a coin is twisted into the middle of a handkerchief and a borrowed ring is theaded on, which is then magically removed. Two versions are taught with one suitable for performance in even a large venue!
Tactile Coin Through Silk—a spectator pushes a coin straight through an ordinary handkerchief. A subtle and ingenious method makes this an incredibly clean and powerful piece of magic.
Novel Coin Vanish—a coin, fairly folded into a handkerchief, instantly vanishes when the handkerchief is opened out. Two methods are taught with the second happening while the spectator holds the handkerchief!
Buckley Bag Appearance—a coin visibly appears inside a folded handkerchief that was openly displayed.
Rip-O—a coin, twisted into the middle of a handkerchief, is visibly cut out with a knife, yet the handkerchief emerges unharmed.
Tenkai’s Magical Filtration—A beautiful piece of magic from one of magic’s legends. A coin vanishes and then audibly reappears in a folded handkerchief held by a spectator.
Copper/Silver Extraction—Two coins—one copper, one silver—are twisted into a handkerchief. The copper coin is magically extracted through the hank and then replaced the same way. The silver coin is also extracted through the hank and then everything is examined. A classic remodeled with the Roth touch!
The Original Vanishing Coin—you’ve heard of the oldest trick in the book? Well, this is it! Learn one of the world’s oldest—and best—ways to vanish a coin while the spectator is holding it!
Coins Through Silk—David Roth’s version of an effect made popular by Michael Ammar. Coins pass mysteriously and visibly through a sheer scarf.
E. Brian MacCarthy Coin Vanish—a brilliant and innovative vanish of even a large coin from a handkerchief. Two handlings.

My personal favorite is Michael Ammar's routine listed above with the sheer scarf. I've seen Roth and Ammar do it, but Ammar IMHO does it better.
Message: Posted by: S2000magician (Jun 7, 2004 12:43AM)
Look at [b][i]Silver or Copper Extraction[/i][/b], [b][i]Copper Penetration[/i][/b] and [b][i]Expansion of Texture[/i][/b] in . . . where else? . . . Bobo!
Message: Posted by: Steven Steele (Jun 7, 2004 01:19AM)
Michael Ammar has, in my opinion, the best routine of "Coins Through Silk" out there. It uses a transluscent silk handkerchief and, for me, it kills. You can find it in his two of his books, "The Magic of Michael Ammar" and "Encore III". In fact, Michael will tell you that he once had an opportunity to do one magic effect for the Pope and this is the effect he selected. Apparently for some reason the performance never happened, but that speaks to how strong the routine is. I love it.
Message: Posted by: tommy ng (Jun 7, 2004 02:52AM)
I like the Ammar method too.
Message: Posted by: Jason Wethington (Jun 7, 2004 09:13AM)
Yup Ammar's is the way to go.
Message: Posted by: Darrin Cook (Jun 7, 2004 03:36PM)
Curtis Kam has a great silk and coin routine on "Palms of Steel." If I'm not mistaken there are two routines --one of coins to silk, another one with coin productions, including the production of a jumbo coin that I think would be great for competition.
Message: Posted by: Dan LeFay (Jun 8, 2004 05:16AM)
As a matter of fact an even better routine with the scarf is done (and once published ) by Chris Power from UK. Ask one of the UK members for info on him...
Message: Posted by: Dam (Jun 8, 2004 05:23AM)
There is the natan Kranzo's "coin through silk" in "outside the box" DVD, I think it's very visual and clean, good work Natan, I like that.

Message: Posted by: Chris "linkster" Watson (Jun 8, 2004 06:48AM)
Curtis recommends Vernons routine from his lost Inner secrets/ vernon chronicals book and credits that as the basis of the routine on POS1...may be worth checking out. Can't remember the routine but Chris Kenner has a routine in out of control too.
Message: Posted by: Jason Wethington (Jun 8, 2004 09:37AM)
AGHH! I was hoping no one mentioned Chris's routine. I use it a lot to great success. It is one of the finest demonstrations of sleight of hand I have ever witnessed!
Message: Posted by: owen.daniel (Jun 8, 2004 12:11PM)
As Dan mentioned in his post, Chris Power has what is considered by many as the best coins through silk routine. The silk is see through and the coins are in sight for the whole of the routine. one by one three coins penetrate the silk to land in the spectators palm.
The routine is taught on a video that he sells through himself, or it can also be found in his FISM notes, which were written by Chris and JJ, who do a joint lecture. The silk is not prepared, but there is a certain type of silk which you need for the routine, becuase there are few see through silks! You can buy these silks from Chris as well as the video and notes. I do not know any contact details for him though...
If you are ever attend the International Magic Convention, held at the begining of December, then you will most lickely find Chris there.

Hope this helps....
Message: Posted by: ugdini13 (Jun 8, 2004 05:40PM)
For something a little bit different, check out Dean Dill's Platrick coin, it'sa coins through silk using those clear produce bags found in the supermarket

Message: Posted by: Darkwing (Jun 8, 2004 11:54PM)
I agree, the Ammar routine kills.
Message: Posted by: owen.daniel (Jun 9, 2004 02:05AM)
The Chris Power routine is actually Chris' improvement of the Ammar version. Having seen Michael perform it, he then went and made a version for himself!
Where can one find the Dean Dill routine?

Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Jun 9, 2004 03:51AM)
Gary Kurtz has a great routine.
I like Curtis Kam's routine.
I perform Ammar's routine which is quite snazzy.
Dill must have something wonderful. I just don't know what it is.

Chris Powers, eh? Hmmmm.. Have to look into that.
If anyone knows more info on getting media from him, let me know.
Message: Posted by: Dam (Jun 9, 2004 04:59AM)
The silk is not prepared, but there is a certain type of silk which you need for the routine, becuase there are few see through silks!

I use juggling silk.
It's not too bad, but a little "fragil".

Message: Posted by: Dan LeFay (Jun 9, 2004 08:42AM)
Oh yeah!!!! I completely forgot the Dean Dill routine.
That is a really magical trick which has the same premise as the coins thru sheer scarf but with a plastic bag. I don't know which video it's on but there is a great cardtrick with the same plastic bag as well, based on a Daryl routine.
Contact Dean thru his website, these are overlooked jewels of tricks!
Message: Posted by: owen.daniel (Jun 9, 2004 09:25AM)
The silk that Chris sells is called a Chifon (not sure of spelling) scarf, he could only get them from Japan, and now they have stopped selling them. He sells them for £5.
He used to have a site for his old magazine Opus, but I can no longer find it.

I will try and get some contact details.
Message: Posted by: MesmerEyes (Jun 10, 2004 08:51AM)
Chiffon is now being produced and exported from India. A search on the internet will find you many sources very quickly. This is the type of scarf women wore back in the early 60's. I know the Ammar routine uses the sheer type.

Another great routine is on the Roth Live in Sacramento tape. It is the routine he didn't want to give away when he did the silk and coin video. It really is a great production and vanish of 4 coins using a regular silk. Very clean and open.
Message: Posted by: owen.daniel (Jun 10, 2004 10:34AM)
Awesome, thanks for the info MesmerEyes. I have gone through several of these scarfs as they seem to wear quite easily.
Message: Posted by: matt.magicman (Oct 20, 2005 05:33PM)
Anyone find Ammars scarfs?
I want the white, but he's out of stock!
thanks in advance
Message: Posted by: emptycupmagic (Oct 20, 2005 06:14PM)
Wasn't Chris Power's excellent routine published in an issue of Opus? I thought I had a copy but can't seem to find it.
Message: Posted by: magico (Oct 20, 2005 09:57PM)
The Chris Powers routine can be found in two places.
In print, The Big Easy Experience lecture notes. On a video call Laid Back Too.

There is another version which can be found in Volume One Issue Three of the Magic Arts Journal called Slicker Coins thru Silk by Dave Berry.

Patrick Guida
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Oct 21, 2005 07:01AM)
On 2004-06-06 21:57, Alex Linian wrote:
For my competiton act, I am considering putting together a coins through silk routine. So once again, I have to do some research. Please list as many published coin through silk routines as you can think of. Thanks,
Alex Linian

Do you want to go back to Robert-Houdin's work and "expansion of texture" and the "filtration of five franc pieces"?
Message: Posted by: Brian Roberts (Oct 21, 2005 09:04AM)
I second the Gary Kurtz routine - Copper Silver Continuation. Very well routined, with beautiful surprises.

Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Oct 21, 2005 09:20AM)
Have folks explored the coins and silk in the format of a Mora/Vernon ball type routine? The addition of a phase or two where one passes the coins through the sheer handkerchief or scarf seems very appealing.
Message: Posted by: Robert Kohler (Oct 21, 2005 11:27AM)
Tracematt: I recently got a replacement white silk identical to Ammar's at Walmart. I noticed you are in UK - if you don't have Walmart, nevermind....