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Topic: Gender-neutral playing cards
Message: Posted by: Max Milagro (Jan 13, 2021 09:12AM)
"GSB signifies Gold, Silver and Bronze. The idea is to remove gender hierarchy and race differences from our card decks. Why should the King have a higher position than the Queen? Why should the King, Queen and Jack be white? However, rather than complicating the sex and race inequality debate even more, we decided to remove the gender and race factor as a whole and to introduce a common, universally known ranking system. All the other cards in the deck are the same as usual. This card pack was designed with the passion to fight for equality in gender as well as race. Our goal is for everyone to feel comfortable while playing cards."

This may be a non-issue for some, but personally I encourage all initiatives that contribute to a more gender-neutral understanding.
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Jan 13, 2021 11:06AM)
"Why should the King have a higher position than the Queen?" - because it's a game. And games have rules. Like chess. The key is to put the king in check but the Queen is the most powerful piece. And its white vs black. Should we change it? No. To do so would be lunacy. Just like gender neutral playing cards.
Message: Posted by: camron (Jan 13, 2021 03:11PM)
I'm a black man.

I never paid attention to whether or not my playing cards (jacks, queens and kings) are black or white.. Could care less....

I perform card magic and leave all the extra stuff out of it.
Message: Posted by: MagicByVincent (Jan 13, 2021 07:27PM)
I didn’t know the face’s of the face cards had a color (I know the suite has color) but I always thought the faces to be colorless outlines. I guess I could be wrong ... just my take on it. As far as the gender of the cards I don’t see an issue creating a gender neutral alternative to the current system but I’m not sure magicians are the place to start .... not because magicians as a whole do or do not agree with gender equality ( I would never generalize a group like that and I certainly would not venture to speak for a group) but in my opinion one big reason that magicians do card tricks is because people are familiar with cards, they are a common, house hold, almost universal thing, sure what the backs look like and the picture card imagery might change from 1 brand to another but if some one is asked to “pick a card, any card” what ever they pull out they know & understand with out explanation. Once you start changing some of the cards you have to be concerned with wether or not your audience is going to think that your using some kind of “magicians deck” in order to accomplish your slights you have taken years to master. Maybe down the line once common playing cards that people are familiar with have gone gender neutral magicians will happily use them but until than you may have a hard time getting magicians to use them .... just my opinion on the matter ... again I could be totally off
Message: Posted by: R.S. (Jan 14, 2021 01:25PM)
[quote]On Jan 13, 2021, Max Milagro wrote:
Our goal is for everyone to feel comfortable while playing cards."


I'm all for equality and that sort of thing, but where are all these people that are uncomfortable playing cards because of the gender/race aspect of the court cards? I can't imagine that this is a problem of such a scale that it needs to be addressed. Seems more like a solution in search of a problem.

Message: Posted by: Forty Six & 2 (Jan 26, 2021 09:59AM)
Great. Now playing cards are offensive.

Anybody know where I can buy some bronze rabbits?
Message: Posted by: magicandsoul (Jan 27, 2021 12:52PM)
First hard pass of the new year
Message: Posted by: stevie c (Jan 31, 2021 02:31AM)
[quote]On Jan 13, 2021, camron wrote:
I'm a black man.

I never paid attention to whether or not my playing cards (jacks, queens and kings) are black or white.. Could care less....

I perform card magic and leave all the extra stuff out of it. [/quote]

Well said Camron. It's a complete non-issue, but unfortunately we all now have to be careful not to criticise!!!!!

I'll be a rebel... What a load of ********!
Message: Posted by: socalguy (Jul 12, 2021 06:17AM)
I just proved to my wife that I do not buy every magic trick or deck of cards that comes my way. The gender-neutral paying cards are a Hard Pass for me too!
Message: Posted by: The Magic Ref (Dec 27, 2021 04:04PM)
So I'm playing poker.... I have a full house, Bronze over Silver, what do you have? Nope... Hard Pass here also.
Message: Posted by: gdw (Feb 11, 2022 02:38PM)
It may not be an issue for many here, but clearly it's enough of an issue for enough people for someone to make a product.

Will it catch on? I don't know.
Will I use them? Probably not.
Will it bring something to some? Absolutely, and that's a good thing.

Things change and evolve, even playing cards.
Message: Posted by: Alexander2701 (Feb 15, 2022 08:37PM)
In general, I think that the gender difference in card decks will not lead to anything good, so your idea is good
Message: Posted by: pulpscrypt (Feb 24, 2022 01:18PM)
I guess it's worth a try in today's world. Please let us know how they sell. Good luck!
Message: Posted by: Fromentum (May 12, 2022 06:37AM)
Well. First things first.

The design does not look absolutely stunning. It's ok but looks a bit cheap. Like a deck from a dollar store.

Secondly there is no mention of the printer. Since on the website they offer custom printed decks with your logo I guess they print themselves. And therefore I guess the handeling aspect can become very problematic. Magicians want/need cards that handle extremely well, I'm not sure this can be guaranteed.

Lastly the concept.
This idea has probably its place for 1% of the population which will love this. For the rest normal cards are not connected with social compassion or modern issues.

And if you are a magician you don't want to bring attention to your props. They should look normal. To start explaining that you use a special deck and laying out the meaning will raise suspicion about the deck.

And also if you perform a magic trick the people watching should forget about their ordinary lives and reality and experience some wonders. I don't think it will be helpful to bring in modern social mores and explain to your audience at first that you use this deck for more equality... This is definately not the story I want to start to tell to my spectator.

By the way... a lot of magic tricks do not use the hirarchy of the cards at all....

So over all this deck might be nice if you perform tricks on the gay pride parade.... but in most enviroments I would prefere a more elegant deck that just looks amazing (theory 11's White Artisans are one of y favourite ones)