(Close Window)
Topic: Mem deck mind-reading effects (CARD SENSE & similar)
Message: Posted by: Nikodemus (Mar 7, 2021 04:05PM)
Darwin Ortiz has an effect called Card Sense
https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/card-magic-downloads/darwin-ortiz-on-memorized-deck/

Jan Forster has an effect called Under Test Conditions.

Ed Oschmann has something similar (not sure the name). 18.00 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJEou9RmC_w

All of these have similar structure & method, but various differences in the details.
I am curious to know who if anyone is regarded as creating the "original" version?
Also are there any other interesting variations you especially like?
Message: Posted by: chappy (Mar 8, 2021 12:41AM)
"Pure and Simple" published in The Devil's Staircase (2014) fits the bill, (not as the earliest, obviously, although it may have been published earlier than those listed above.) In the same section, numerous methods are explained for routines of this type in the section called Mindreading with a Memorized Deck. I'm not sure I'm including all those listed but in the comments, you'll find reference to other similar routines including by Marlo, Tamariz, Aronson, Jorg Alexander, Doug Dyment, Mike Powers, Steve Ehlers, off the top of my head.
https://www.thedevilsstaircase.com/home
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Mar 9, 2021 05:53AM)
Biggest inspiration for me was Aronson’s “Four Part Harmony” in his “The Aronson Approach”. I think you can track down many variations using the basic structure of his routine. The concept is great, but the routine itself had too much dealing (done by spectators) for my taste. So, I chose more the approach making forget that the performer touches the cards or making it at least as seemingly irrelevant as possible for the participants. I gave up the “totally hands off” quality believing that this is targeted more towards magicians. My experience told me that I might be right as I could and can fool almost every magician with my “Under Test Conditions”. BTW, similar ideas you can find also in Ramon Riobóo’s works. Jan
Message: Posted by: Pasteboard Alchemist (Mar 9, 2021 11:46AM)
Having both the above sources ("The Devil's Staircase" and Jan's lecture), I can second (third?) that they're both excellent resources for variations on this effect. As Chapman mentioned above, a variety of approaches are discussed in his book. In Jan's lecture, I strongly encourage you to pay extra attention during the explanation part of "Under Test Conditions", as the presentation he shows while doing the explanation is different from what he does in the initial performance--and it's phenomenal. I use a variation of that with some of Chapman's nuances/ideas mixed in when I perform it.
Message: Posted by: Nikodemus (Mar 9, 2021 07:42PM)
What I love about these effects is they are utterly baffling to the uninitiated, but really straightforward if you know a stack!
Message: Posted by: landmark (Mar 11, 2021 07:52AM)
Greg's version is excellent. I'll also point to Doug Dyment's "Immoderate Deception" from his 2002 [i]Mindsights[/i] booklet, which he cites as a slight variation of Harvey Berg's 1997 "Immaculate Perception."
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Mar 12, 2021 03:41AM)
Yes, "technical" excellent sources (!!), both of them! But both have for my taste (coming more from the perspective of a mentalist) too much dealing and/or cardistry handling. Another approach (secretly counting) you find in Aronson's "Group Shuffle" (70ties), published also in his "Bound to Please". Jan