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Topic: Okay to perform?
Message: Posted by: St. Clair (Jul 3, 2021 12:32AM)
Hi everyone, what do you think about buying magic books used? I purchased two magic books on eBay as they were sold out on Penguinmagic and extremely cheap. Should I not perform the taught tricks until I buy the books from somewhere else like an online magic store?
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Jul 3, 2021 01:42PM)
Magic books are bought and sold all the time. In fact we even have a special forum here on the Café for just that purpose. Even dealers occassionally sell used books. There's nothing wrong with performing an effect found in one of those books.
Suppose you bought a trick from someone. That would make it a used trick. Would that mean you couldn't perform it until you bought an original from a magic shop? Of course not. It's the same thing with performing a trick from a used book.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jul 3, 2021 02:43PM)
I don't see an issue in the least.
Message: Posted by: Tom Cutts (Jul 3, 2021 09:09PM)
[quote]On Jul 3, 2021, St. Clair wrote:
Hi everyone, what do you think about buying magic books used? I purchased two magic books on eBay as they were sold out on Penguinmagic and extremely cheap. Should I not perform the taught tricks until I buy the books from somewhere else like an online magic store? [/quote]

Was this a download book “extremely cheap” or did you buy an actual hard copy book?
Message: Posted by: St. Clair (Jul 3, 2021 11:23PM)
[quote]On Jul 3, 2021, Tom Cutts wrote:
[quote]On Jul 3, 2021, St. Clair wrote:
Hi everyone, what do you think about buying magic books used? I purchased two magic books on eBay as they were sold out on Penguinmagic and extremely cheap. Should I not perform the taught tricks until I buy the books from somewhere else like an online magic store? [/quote]

Was this a download book “extremely cheap” or did you buy an actual hard copy book? [/quote]

Hi everyone thanks for all of your input I appreciate it, and hello Tom, they are hard copy books.
Message: Posted by: Fromentum (Sep 19, 2021 09:33AM)
Honestly why should there be a problem? This is standard with nearly every product. Books get sold al the time. But also cars, bikes, houses, electronics, clothes.

Millions of people use second hand things daily.

On the other hand it would be morally questionable if the original creator would say it is forbidden to sell your copy to another person. It is owned by the buyer and they can sell it freely how they like. So buying it and using it is absolutely unproblematic. (As long as it is not a chinese copy site....)
Message: Posted by: George Ledo (Sep 23, 2021 09:42AM)
If you think it's morally questionable, you may want to look at how theatrical scripts and performance rights are handled. Buying a copy of a script does not give you performance rights.
Message: Posted by: Dougini (Sep 26, 2021 07:53AM)
[quote]On Sep 23, 2021, George Ledo wrote:
Buying a copy of a script does not give you performance rights. [/quote]

True. But that would depend on where you are performing and for whom.

Doug
Message: Posted by: George Ledo (Sep 26, 2021 01:07PM)
Actually, it does not. If you use a script in the public domain, you're good to go. But you have to be careful that the script itself, as written, not just the play, is in the public domain. A translation of "Doctor Faustus," for instance, may not be in the public domain if the copyright for the translation is still valid.

However, if you buy a reading copy of a script from a theatrical publisher, and you want to perform the play, you need a contract with the publisher. Most publishers will require royalties even when the play or musical is performed in a school or for a non-profit. And most of them will require that you rent copies of the script (and scores, in the case of musicals) and return them after the show closes.

IOW, the publishing industry wants to make sure that authors, playwrights, composers, and others, are paid for their work.
Message: Posted by: David Todd (Nov 12, 2021 02:41PM)
If a magician does not want someone to make and perform an effect they invented , they should not put it in a book. (If you really want to keep a secret , they say you should publish it in a magic magazine!) But even then , just because it's in a book or a magazine doesn't mean it has become "community property" or public domain in terms of manufacturing and resale rights (and sometimes in terms of performance rights)

However, unless the book specifies that the performance rights are NOT granted and are retained exclusively by the originator of the effect , if you purchase a book which has workshop plans (or even just simple diagrams showing the basic workings) for an effect, it is understood that you have the right to make it and perform it for your own use. (note: some effects that are sold pre-made or simply as a book or a set of workshop plans do have conditions such as "television or motion picture performance rights are NOT granted" , which means you can use it for live performances, but not for television or filmed performances ... and in the modern world I suppose the language would have to include more broadly any video performance, including YouTube or TikTok .) If it's in a book you purchased , you generally don't have the right to make it and sell it to other people without written permission from the originator. But you can make it for your own use.


I think about how poor Robert Harbin was goaded by the unethical copyists into releasing his pet effects in "The Magic of Robert Harbin" just to establish that those pet effects WERE created by him, but as a condition for purchasing the book he specified that ONLY the owners of an [b]original printing[/b] of the book (not a photocopy, not a reprint) had the rights to build and perform the effect for themselves, but not the rights to build it and sell it to others. Or course , Bob Harbin being an ethical and honorable man himself didn't count on how many "brother magicians" would stab him in the back and ignore those conditions under which he released the book.