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Topic: How do you get into curl palm?
Message: Posted by: joef90 (Jul 12, 2004 04:09AM)
I have both of Kainoa Harbottle's books (which are fantastic!), but I have a problem getting into third finger curl palm. There seems to be no reference in either book on how you get one or more coins into this palm. Any help would be great!
Message: Posted by: Brian Proctor (Jul 12, 2004 06:27AM)
While we probably should explain it right here in the open, I have sent you a private message Joe. I hope it helps you out. Good luck in Kainoa's book. :)
Message: Posted by: James Harrison (Jul 12, 2004 10:45AM)
How do you get into Curl Palm?

Very carefully. ;)
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Jul 12, 2004 11:21AM)
That third finger curl palm has a name. And one person did much work on making that palm placement a workable concealment. He lectured the thing last year at LVMI and he posts to this BBS sometimes. Please ask Geoff Latta about his Nowhere Palm.

The way we discussed the thing back in '77, it was roughly equivalent to EG in that the thumb can roll coins over and in before any fingers curl.
Message: Posted by: jerdunn (Jul 12, 2004 01:46PM)
If Geoff is listening, maybe he'd be nice enough to help:

I've been working on a Silk and Silver routine in which I need to get three coins from finger palm into second-finger curl palm (a position I learned from David Roth's book) while holding the bagged silk in the same hand.

I can do this but it's slightly awkward because my first and second fingers are busy holding the silk pinched between them.

Any tips or advice will be appreciatively received!

Message: Posted by: Full Effect (Jul 13, 2004 03:38AM)
Geoff's No Where palm is a very under rated palm....
Great way to show your hands empty and still hold out up to 4 coins
Message: Posted by: Kainoa (Jul 13, 2004 12:43PM)
Underrated by whom? Most of the coin workers I know use Nowhere palm regularly. I believe I reference it as both Nowhere palm and 3rd finger curl palm (how it was first--unfortunately--published by Kaufman) in CoE.

If you have a stack or a single coin in Ramsey finger palm, it's pretty easy to simply tip the stack downwards with your thumb until it's horizontal to the floor. Your third finger can then grab it. Since with a Ramsey finger palm the third finger is already curled, there's virtually no muscle movement.

I've also found that, if I have a stack of coins in edge grip, if I gently push in and down with my thumb (angling the edges of the stack towards the third finger), I can get the whole stack to slip off the second finger to be caught by the third finger. Of course sometimes they continue on to the floor.

The more fun transfer is the hard version of edge grip to no where palm--the stack simply rolls over on itself, where the third finger actually helps to catch the stack as it falls, continuing into Nowhere palm with the help of the thumb ala above. I'm pretty certain this technique does appear in CoE in Beijing Trio. This has either the drawback or benefit (depending on the routine--it's a benefit for Beijing Trio) of turning the stack over.

The latter of these doesn't look pretty the first 50 or so times, but once you build up the speed it can be done in an off-beat, or as one takes a coin from one had to another, or as part of a steaplechase sequence.
Message: Posted by: Magicmaven (Jul 24, 2004 03:52PM)
If ur in edge grip already, "curl" your finger around the coiin, and then just release your thumb from the coin, this information was in david roths Showpieces video.
Message: Posted by: wsduncan (Jul 25, 2004 01:24AM)
Here's one that I don't think has been published: from Purse Palm to Nowhere Palm.

Thumb contacts the top (near 1st finger) edge of the coin and tilts it down to the horizontal as it pushes forward a bit.
This causes the coin to roll outward towards the tip of the third finger. Curl said third finger until it's tip touches the tip of the thumb.

The minor curl of the wrist as the hand moves from palm down to nowhere palm display position more than covers the action.