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Topic: Dove Species
Message: Posted by: Zack Schaff (Jul 12, 2004 11:38PM)
Does anybody use a different species of dove than the pure white doves?

thanks,

-Zack
Message: Posted by: sperris (Jul 12, 2004 11:55PM)
Naaa, I've heard of pied doves being used and fan tail pigeons, but that's pretty rare.

sperris
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Jul 13, 2004 06:02AM)
Amos Levkotvitch has several doves that are grey/light blue and also spotted. They work well in his act. In addition to the tradtional white dove, I use several pied doves in my act. They are peach and white and very pretty birds. I also use a brown ring neck dove. While the white dove is pretty and impressive, the other breeds add a little variety.
Message: Posted by: PyroJeffNic (Jul 13, 2004 10:56AM)
We have some Indian ringneck, a few pied doves and 2 diamond doves that we use. I have used a homer and a monk pidgeon though.
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Jul 14, 2004 12:38AM)
Zack,

The real reason I use white doves most often is because the audience can't tell one from the other. But we do use pieds and colored birds too. For years I had a pair of yellow doves (from Baldwin, Arkansas) I used because they would "talk or laugh" after an applause. It added to the show. Unfortunately, they never reproduced and I've never seen anymore as yellow as they were. Nor have I had any luck getting others to "talk or laugh" on que. They were mature doves when I got them. The two also insisted on being where they could touch each other most of the time. They were an unusual pair doves.

Bob
Magic By Sander
Message: Posted by: magicsam (Jul 14, 2004 12:48PM)
I'm sorry if this question has been asked a lot, but what species actually are the 'pure white doves'.

I have heard that ringnecks are the species that magicians use, but in pictures on the internet, it does actually look like they do have a dark ring around their neck.

All the doves I have seen in professional's acts are white (apart from Jason Byrne's doves, which look like they are very slightly yellow), and they don't have a dark ring round there necks!
Which species of dove do they use?
Message: Posted by: Regan (Jul 14, 2004 09:41PM)
I think that Java Doves are used a lot. Dave and Bob would know. They seem to have all the answers about doves. I'm just trying to get started in Dove magic myself.


Regan
Message: Posted by: magicsam (Jul 15, 2004 02:35AM)
I'm trying to get started in dove magic. I was recommended to buy 'The Encyclopedia of Dove Magic by Marian Chavez' by other magicians, and that is a really good book, and you should get it before buying your doves. I am trying to do as much research as possible before actually buying the doves!
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Jul 15, 2004 05:36AM)
Well thanks Regan. I don't know if Bob and I have all the answers but we have a lot of experience. I personally use mostly ringneck doves. Some have very distinctive black rings on their neck and others have only a trace. From an appearance point of view, I don't think it matters all that much. I use pied doves and a few brown ring necks as well.

There are possibilities with a brown bird. In one routine, I produce the brown bird, put him in a box that resembles a small washing machine, add laundry soap??? and water. A slight agitating motion and the box is opened to reveal the pure white dove.

Magicsam, you're on the right track. Too many magicians go out and get birds and then try to figure out what to do and how to take care of them. Besides learning how to train them and what tricks you can do, you should also read up on anatomy and health of the doves. It can save a lot of frustration down the road when a bird is sick or just isn't acting normal.
Message: Posted by: Regan (Jul 15, 2004 06:41AM)
Magicsam,

I recently bought the book you mentioned. It is very informative but the artwork and photos are not very good. It has taught me some things though, and I guess that's the bottom line.

I have decided to get pockets, etc. and start practicing with rolled up sock loads (as Bob Sanders mentioned on another thread) before I actually get my doves. This will give me more time to get ready for my new pets and it will be safer on the doves when I actually do start using them.

Regan
Message: Posted by: Doug Higley (Jul 15, 2004 11:49AM)
"I'm sorry if this question has been asked a lot, but what species actually are the 'pure white doves'."


Hi Magicsam....

The White is just a color variation of the Ringneck and not a seperate species. Java Dove (and occasionaly Temple Dove) is a popular name for it though. ie:

Species - Ringneck Dove - White Mutation (Streptopelia risoria)

Enjoy your birds!
Doug
Message: Posted by: jugglingeagle (Jul 20, 2004 02:07PM)
Do any of you know of a livestock book that is better than The Encyclopedia of Dove Magic? I am in the same situation as magicsam and like to do a bit of investigation before I go out and buy anything.
Ancora Imparo,
Jugglingeagle
Message: Posted by: fccfp (Jul 22, 2004 07:53AM)
Getting back to the color question:
Gen Grant uses varous colors on his doves in his act. Including Blue, green, & Red. I don't think those are found in nature. Perhap he dyes them with food coloring?

Just a thouhgt for you guys who want something other than white doves.

By the way, has anyone trained a dove to hold an olive branch once they are produced? :)
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Jul 22, 2004 10:21AM)
Bruce,

A male dove will likely pick up a small straw of any kind and hold it. Just put him in mixed company and make the prop available. The problem is that he picks the time.

Good luck!

Bob
Magic By Sander