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Topic: Building Open Top Table Help
Message: Posted by: hagemagic (Aug 7, 2004 03:39PM)
Trying to build an open top table...

1. Anyone know where to buy one pre-made?

2. Anyone know where to find a rolling table base?

3. Anyone ever built one?

I know Chalet has one called the Laflin Table. This is similar to what I'm putting together. http://www.chaletmagic.com
Message: Posted by: Regan (Aug 7, 2004 09:11PM)
I am in the process of building some with tripod bases and folding legs for portability. I have not found any ready-to-purchase tables of this type that I like, so I'm making some. Chalet does have rolling bases, and I'll bet there are other illusion builders that have them.

Regan
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Aug 7, 2004 09:26PM)
I've never built an open top table.

Another source of an open top table are the ten second tables sold by David Charvet: http://hometown.aol.com/dcstudios/tables.html

Also, there may be plans in Micky Hades' book, "The New Make-up of Magic." He has plans for several tables in that book.

Don't forget that there are two table books by Eugene Gloye. Here is one source for these older softcover books: http://www.magicstor.com/files/bookt.htm

Dancing Spring Magic makes some tables and bases that are very nice, and are sold through some dealers: http://www.dancingspringmagic.com/tables_indx.htm

I think it is a better design than a Eureka Table Base. I have a Eureka, but don't have one of these.

Chalet also makes just the base/pedestal for side tables: http://www.dennymagic.com/cgi-bin/hazel.cgi?client=47255026&action=detail&item=005135

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Jimeuax (Aug 8, 2004 03:09PM)
Open Top Table = a box---------------cheers! Jimo
Message: Posted by: hagemagic (Aug 8, 2004 04:34PM)
You are correct Jimo...However, after searching for just the right box and not finding one, I decided to build my own.

I still think I can find or build a rolling table base for less than $125, which is how much they sell for on some sites. I'll keep looking at thrift stores for rolling table bases and other suitable bases.
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Aug 8, 2004 04:36PM)
Exactly, just make a box without a top. Now you experiment adding outrigger shelves, and shelves that flip up over the top and such.

Make mockups out of cardboard and then go from there.
Message: Posted by: hagemagic (Aug 8, 2004 06:39PM)
I'm designing my table to be like the Chalet Laflin table with some changes.

1. The top slides out one side and is a solid shelf.

2. I made my box 18" square and 11" inches deep. This configuration seems to provide the most storage/performing space for me.

Now I still have to figure out the base...hmmm.
Message: Posted by: Jimeuax (Aug 8, 2004 08:37PM)
I used a restaurant tray holder. You know the ones that pop open when they bring it to your table? It folds up with just a couple of straps on top. You can get them from a restaurant supply store for about $20. They work great. You can cover the box with "car trunk fleece". The stuff that speaker boxes and the lining of car trunks have. Spread on some contact cement. Let it dry and then cover it with the "carpet". It works great, looks good and takes a little time, but is SO much cheaper! I hope if I ever pay $500 for a box someone comes by and kicks my #*$ cheers! Jimeuax
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Aug 8, 2004 08:59PM)
This may sound like a silly question, but did you look through the threads (even older ones) in the "Where to put it all..." section of the Café for information about tables and parts?

- Donald.
Message: Posted by: Regan (Aug 8, 2004 11:08PM)
Jimo,

I think the speaker covering is called Ozite. It is available in black and it used to come in gray.

Regan
Message: Posted by: Leland Stone (Aug 9, 2004 11:06AM)
The speaker box/trunk liner material is a non-woven poly material that's sold in a number of colours; it's suitable for table tops (although pilling can be a problem), doesn't mind getting wet (it's synthetic), and it's pretty inexpensive (10.50/yd of 72" wide stuff).

I use the fluffier kind for table tops (helps keep balls and so forth from rolling) and the shorter-nap material for the suitcase tables I build. I just covered one such table with the maroon cloth and brother, it looks like a million.

Sincerely,
Leland Edward Stone
Message: Posted by: MagicalPirate (Aug 9, 2004 08:06PM)
The Laflin Table is a modified Deep Bin Table as illustrated in Table Book II. However, I believe the Gene Gloye table would be more stable and stronger. The Laflin table would require a thicker base to accomodate the flange that would be required to attach it to the base. I would use channeling for holding the top in place, a piece of sheet metal bent in C-shape fashion for the top to run back and forth in with a lip that attaches inside the box. When finished it would look like the letter p with a void at the back of the looped part. I would make the box 9.5 inches deep to allow the use of a single 1X10 8' long to create the outside of the box and complete the table with 1/4" or 3/8" plywood.

Good luck with your table design.

Martin :pirate:
Message: Posted by: hagemagic (Aug 9, 2004 08:47PM)
Wow these are all very helpful tips and tricks. Keep them coming. I'm checking the restaurant supply place right now...
Message: Posted by: Regan (Aug 9, 2004 11:06PM)
If you find a good source for the restaurant tray holder, will you let us know?

Regan
Message: Posted by: flourish dude (Aug 10, 2004 01:13AM)
This is a great topic I just built three table of my own. I picked up a small trunk that is about the 3rd size of a large truck. It is 16" tall, 16" wide and 12" deep. I took the top off and mounted 4 casters under the lid. The hinges pins are now two cater key type pins. As for the pole I used a painter pole that telescopes. I cut the end off a paint roller and mounted it in a 1x4 inside the box(drilled a hole and expoxied it in place) I cut the pole to about 12" and it telescopes up to 24" If you get a 3/4" EMT (Electrical) connector it will fit on the painters pole. Then I mounted a "Bell Box" (an outdoor electraical box) with a 3/4" hub in the lid.

Then end result is I have a box that I can take the lid off and set it on the floor with rollers and a pole (that fits inside the box for storage) to hold the box up to hight.

Box from Target $16.00
Painter pole 2' to 6'from home depot 8.00
four casters home depot 4.00 each
bolts to hold casters in place home depot .15 each 1/4 20's by 1" plus the nuts
weather proof electrical box 3/4" hub 4.00
3/4" compression type electrical connector bag of 5 home depot 1.50
Painters roller home depot 3.00
1 x 4 wood home depot @ 2.00 plus some drywall screws

so for about 50.00 I made a great open box table that packs away.
I have also used the black file boxes from office max.
if you would like pics of my tables let me know and I can email them to you.
magic@wowway.com
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Aug 10, 2004 10:37AM)
Bill -

It sounds like you built a home-made "10 Second Table." Interesting.

- Donald.
Message: Posted by: MagicalPirate (Aug 10, 2004 12:13PM)
Hi Bill:

How long are you going to keep the avatar in honor of Peter.

Martin :pirate:
Message: Posted by: flourish dude (Aug 10, 2004 12:48PM)
I did make a 10 second table (homemade) I saw the table from a school show I have and later learned (after making mine) it was the ten second table. The Peter picture, I still crack myself up when I see it and I need a good chuckle every nw and then.
Bill
Message: Posted by: hagemagic (Aug 13, 2004 03:00PM)
Ozite is great! Just covered the table/box. It looks great.

I'm still working on the base. Not sure what I'm going to use yet. Lot of great ideas here, but I haven't decided on the base yet.

Chris
Message: Posted by: kregg (Aug 13, 2004 03:22PM)
Ever heard of a couch?
With the right glue you can use any durable material.
I covered a guitar effects pedal board with blue jean fabric.

Kregg
Message: Posted by: hagemagic (Aug 13, 2004 08:30PM)
Of course I've heard of a couch. What's your point Kregg?
Message: Posted by: Tyler_Magician (Aug 13, 2004 09:39PM)
I could try to make you one. I'll paint it whatever color you want. I just made one last week and it is awsome. Here are some pics of it.
http://www.freewebs.com/magict13/magictables.htm
PM me if you are interested.
Message: Posted by: hagemagic (Aug 14, 2004 05:19AM)
Nice table Tyler! You did a good job with that. However, I have a table similar to that already (suitcase style). The thread is about open top tables. I built one (it's basically a box with a sliding lid/top) recently and now I'm trying to determine what I'll use for the base. Check out Chaletmagic.com and look for the Laflin Table for an example.

Kregg, the Ozite accepts velcro. Blue Jean material does not. That's why the Ozite is so good (IMOP).
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Aug 14, 2004 10:47AM)
Hagemagic and others -

If you wish to look at Chalet Magic products, but are annoyed by all the pop-ups on George's site (because he is on a free server), then have a look at Denny & Lee's website.

http://www.dennymagic.com/

[url=http://www.dennymagic.com/cgi-bin/hazel.cgi?client=98007139&action=detail&item=005141]Here's a direct link to the Laflin Table on Denny & Lee's site.[/url]

- Donald.
Message: Posted by: hagemagic (Aug 14, 2004 09:41PM)
So, here's what I've come up with. Several months ago, I bought a Boom Mic Stand ($25). I have taken it apart, so now all I have is the base (three legs that extend). I insterted a steel pipe in the center ($3) and attached a steel pipe flange to the bottom of the box ($1.50). Now I have a great base for the box and it unscrews and is ready for the next show. Thanks for all the great suggestions!
Message: Posted by: mdspark (Sep 12, 2004 01:35AM)
I recently took a great suggestion by Alan Munro with a bit of variation.

I got a "plastic tote". You know, those plastic tubs with lids that you can buy at Wal-Mart among other places.

Mine is 12 in deep. They come in various sizes. For decoration/disguise, I am putting a 'skirt' around it of black velveteen with some gold ribbon along the bottom edge.
You could paint it however you like. There is now a spray paint that works on plastic surfaces. Walmart carries it.

Inside, I am making dividers from cardboard. Each trick will have its own cubical. On the very bottom I am placing 1 inch thick foam, which can be gotten at large fabric stores by the yard.

As for the waiter tray, that would put my box too high. So, I had a inexpensive wooden "TV tray". To eliminate weight, I removed the table top part and simply tied some nylon string in a loop that would correspond with the strap on the waiters tray. So now, I have a stable, light, "mini" waiter's tray on which to set my box.

One could get a nice sign made with one's name on the inside if the lid and simply place it at the front of the box. Also, if you have one or two tricks that require a table top, make one the size you need (felt covered plywood or whatever). When you need it in the act, just place it on top of the box.

Anyway..I hope you get the idea!
Message: Posted by: David Charvet (Sep 14, 2004 06:52AM)
The ORIGINAL 10 Second Table is still available (and we think, still the best!)
We have recently moved, but you'll find updated contact information at: http://www.charvetmagic.com
Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Steve Baker - Mr.Escape (Sep 14, 2004 02:16PM)
Hi All,

I started to build my own props in 1956, after a prop I bought at a magic shop for twenty four,hard earned dollars, came apart the third time I used it!
Talk about EMBARRASSING!
From that point on,I would buy a prop,and if it was cheaply made,I would build a better one. I built most of the props I used until I retired in 1991.

During my working years I would build on request a prop for someone else (fold-up prop tables,jump cuffs,and a number of others). I built my own Sword-thru-neck which I've used for over thirty-five years!
A few years ago a magician friend of mine ask me if I would make him up one of my Swords-thru-neck? I did. He loved it,and suggested I make them up on special order! Plus a number of other props!

Check my web site. MrESCAPE.com

I think it's really great how you all help each other. If I can be of help to any one,just e-mail me!
MrESCAPE@juno.com

May You Always Escape,

Steve Baker, MR.ESCAP
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Sep 14, 2004 04:04PM)
Bev Bergeron discribes the Tony Marks Box open top table in his book.

http://www.bevbergeron.com/

Simple to build.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Sep 26, 2004 12:53PM)
Will the Eureka tripod be adapted easily to any aluminum suitcase?
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Sep 26, 2004 07:05PM)
What you have to do is use a 3/4 electrical connector on the top of the pipe. Then a floor flange can be mounted on the bottom of the suitcase. Reinforce the other side with a piece of metal so it more reinforced to take the strain.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Sep 26, 2004 07:20PM)
Thanks Richard. I'm undecided on buying the Eureka stand first for 70 dollars or all together as a one piece suitcase and stand (all thumbs here).
Message: Posted by: The Donster (Sep 27, 2004 03:36PM)
Candini if your All Thumbs, which one is your trigger finger?
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Sep 27, 2004 08:40PM)
I will check what I have around I might be able to make you up a Eureka Base (which by the way is a MaK Magic name as I get them direct from the manufacturer. But he has a high minimum) with a flange and plate. All you would have to do is drill four holes and put the bolts through and tighten.

I'll check in the shop tomorrow and get back to you. Email to remind if you do not hear in a couple of days.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Sep 29, 2004 01:25AM)
Thanks Richard!

Are these pretty stable to hold a suitcase?

Donster,

All of em are:)

WC
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Sep 29, 2004 09:00PM)
How big of a suitcase and how much wieght is in it?
Message: Posted by: stephenbanning (Nov 14, 2004 05:19PM)
In regard to the original question of where to find open top tables, http://www.magicauction.com has several. They may or may not be what you are looking for. Hope this helps.