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Topic: Coin vanishes?
Message: Posted by: joethebunny (Aug 8, 2004 08:40AM)
What are some books/videos that teach complete coin vanishes that leave both hands clean? I already have Bobo's but I'm interested in learning more.
Message: Posted by: Jim Wilder (Aug 8, 2004 09:44AM)
Jay Sankey's Non-Stop Party Magic has a vanish called the "Messiah Vanish" I believe. Both hands end up and are shown empty at the same time. However, the coin does come back into play. The vanish is accomplished without sleeves.
Message: Posted by: mattisdx (Aug 8, 2004 10:48AM)
http://www.newmagicsecrets.com

Check out the 'Vanish in the Air.' :D
Message: Posted by: Roth (Aug 9, 2004 02:50AM)
Get Roth's Expert Coin Magic.
Message: Posted by: BradleyNott (Aug 9, 2004 03:38AM)
How about false transfering and asking someone to "hold on to this coin for a while," as you aparently drop the coin in their hand. As you say this and move to hand the coin, do a slight turn and casually d***h the coin. By the time they finish reacting to the vanish, the evidence is gone, and when they naturally look to your other hand, it is visibly empty and doing something natural...like picking your nose or slapping someone (open palm of course, no subtlety needed here)

As long as it's off the beat it'll have some good impact. (the vanish that is)

I do not believe the way a coin vanishes is what impresses people.

The very first question that the logical mind asks when a coin vanishes is NOT "How did it vanish?" the very first question the mind asks is "Where did the coin go?" Then the eyes begin looking for answers. That is why unless you are dealing with a stand alone vanish, tansfers/vanishes occur within routines to support an overall effect.

A coin vanishing is a coin vanishing, some will argue all day against that, but MANY magicians get by with finger palm false transfers to effect a vanish. It's all about routining and timing the vanish with the tempo of the moment. Only magicians care about the latest and greatest method.

This isn't to say good retention vanishes aren't more magical, I'm saying that in the end the spectator remembers one thing "It vanished...cool"



I suggest that you learn routines, and if you invest in the David Roth video/DVD series, you won't be sorry.


-Brad
Message: Posted by: mike gallo (Aug 9, 2004 09:16AM)
I do not believe the way a coin vanishes is what impresses people.

Wrap a coin up in flash paper. Light the paper and show the coin is gone. I think that would impress them. ;)

Mike
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Aug 9, 2004 09:32AM)
Rubensteins videos vol one and two are excellent,
as well as Roth's videos.
Brad Burts has teaching videos on coins as well and are excellent for the beginner...
hope these suggestions help

vinny
Message: Posted by: KirkG (Aug 9, 2004 10:19AM)
I think it was a telling comment that "MANY magicians get by with finger palm false transfers to effect a vanish." How many of us want to just "get by"?

When you watch someone who is really good, you will see the difference in the audience reactions. Watch Armondo Lucero's audience, or Shoot's(Ogowa), you will see what I mean.

Beginning vanishes are a good place to start, not necessarily to end. Along the journey you will develope the understanding and acting necessary to effect more impactful magic, if you are aware and constantly strive to improve. Vernon used to say, most magicians stop thinking too soon.

Kirk G
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Aug 9, 2004 10:50AM)
Some folks did very well with those fingerpalm transfers. Chapender, Kaps, Ramsay...

The question comes down to doing the transfers well enough that they go by unchallenged or better still, unnoticed. That seems worth the effort.

There are plenty of answers around to the question posed about hands empty vanishes. From sleeves, pockets, pulls and gaffs, it's not a big problem to vanish ONE coin cleanly.

Life gets interesting when you want to do that a few times in a row.
Message: Posted by: KirkG (Aug 9, 2004 12:51PM)
Very true Jonathan. I could have made my point better that after the journey, even the finger palm vanishes will improve. Note, I distinguish between finger palm vanishes and finger palm concealments.

One of the items I am working on right now is how to vanish, convincingly, 4 coins one right after the other. I want the vanishes to look as good as the aquitments. If you watch Conover do the C&C you will see what I mean. His handling appears so quick, casual and careless, that you don't even imagine that he is holding out.

Kirk G
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Aug 9, 2004 01:00PM)
Kirk,
Have you seen Conover do this recently or are you refering to the Mullica Bash clip?
Message: Posted by: Werner G. Seitz (Aug 9, 2004 01:24PM)
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On 2004-08-08 09:40, joethebunny wrote:
What are some books/videos that teach complete coin vanishes that leave both hands clean? I already have Bobo's but I'm interested in learning more.
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Message: Posted by: joethebunny (Aug 9, 2004 02:38PM)
Who is the magician that performs these? http://www.infinite-image.net/gone/

Is there a video that teaches those?
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Aug 9, 2004 03:00PM)
The guy's name is Greg, and he posts on the Café. There was some discussion about one of his vanish moves some months ago. If you ask him, he might offer to teach you. I believe his ID here is grostami.
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Aug 9, 2004 04:32PM)
Andrew Goldenhirsch,who is one oth the best kept secrets in coin magic uses finger palm and false trasnfers , as amatter of fact his ramsey all his fingers are open and you stll can't see the coin.
.Most magicians that use a clascic palm look like they are ready to squeeze oranges the old fashion way.Mickey silver the best coin worker today always uses finmger palms.I do not believe he uses a classic palm

vinny
Message: Posted by: BradleyNott (Aug 9, 2004 07:36PM)
KirkG, I wasn't saying that some techniques aren't more deceptive or beautiful than others, I was simply trying to suggest that technique isn't always what the audience cares about.

There are puts, takes, tosses, tumbles, retentions, etc....blah blah blah blah

Use what works for you, but some great magicians built their reputations on simplicity and I was just trying to suggest that the original poster re-read Bobo and try the dif methods for complete vanishes because the ideas are very good. Sure there have been hundreds of new ideas since then, but classics never die.
Message: Posted by: Sk8rDave (Aug 9, 2004 08:21PM)
I can't believe that nobody pointed out the ross bertram books as ways to vanish a coin or multiple coins cleanly. Check out his work on the "texas topit" in Bertram on sleight of hand and I think his work on the coin clip is also in the book. His magic and methods has some good stuff too but I think more of what you're looking for is in Bertram on sleight of hand.

Dave
Message: Posted by: Michael Bilkis (Aug 9, 2004 08:37PM)
One name: Tony Slydini
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Aug 9, 2004 08:42PM)
What counts here, is what you want to do with the coin afterwards to manage the traffic. There are lots of ways to ditch one coin. Life gets intesting when you are trying to vanish several coins.
Message: Posted by: KirkG (Aug 9, 2004 09:11PM)
Frank,

I think it is the Mullica Bash clip. It was a while ago and it is a very dark clip. I haven't seen him work lately, but I have heard very favorable reports.

Bradley,

I think you made some very good points in your 1st and second posts. I agree with most of them. I agree that audiences don't care about technique(as in secret moves) but they do care about it as it pertains to effect( the eye candy vanish).

So a vanish that proves to them, without over proving, that the coin is where they think it is, when it dissappears, that is the strongest magical effect. Then when they recover and start looking for it or where it went, and they still can't find it, that is the icing on the cake. Your idea of ditching before they look for it is excellent.

As such, I recomend always trying to be better, and Bobo's is a great place to start. Even if that is all you use, if you care and think hard abut it, you will improve. But I do think it does the performer a disservice to ignore the other sources, which do go further than Bobo's.

The Goshman vanish is simplicity in itself, but works because of the advanced ideas of people like Al Schneider. I am not suggesting who thought what up first, just that Al Schneider explains it well.

Simple is good. Look at the Vernon Vanish of a ball or coin. See me at the Castle and I will show you what I mean.

Slydini is great, but a large part of his work can't be done standing, although with some modification . . .

In all the greats hands, moves don't look like moves and they are effortlessly executed. That is what you should learn from them(IMHO).

Kirk
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Aug 9, 2004 09:13PM)
Yes Tony Slydini was considered one of the greatest.

Now we have Mickey Silver let him show you his click pass with five silver dollars. one gone at a time..

vinny
Message: Posted by: Chris "linkster" Watson (Aug 10, 2004 03:50AM)
You could always read magic by Gosh if you feel the need to vanish 10 coins ;D
Message: Posted by: blade (Aug 10, 2004 04:15AM)
Check out ellusionist.com they have this awesome coin vanish called REVOLUTION. you start clean and you end clean. totally awesome.
Message: Posted by: dynamiteassasin (Aug 10, 2004 08:24AM)
-All Around Vanish from Off The Cuff video by Gregory Wilson
-Revolution Vanish from http://www.ellusionist.com
-Messiah Vanish by Jay Sankey
-French Drop - almost in every coin magic book

check out http://www.coinvanish.com for more info on coins.

have fun in magic! :)
Message: Posted by: weepinwil (Aug 10, 2004 11:35PM)
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On 2004-08-09 10:16, mike gallo wrote:
I do not believe the way a coin vanishes is what impresses people.

Wrap a coin up in flash paper. Light the paper and show the coin is gone. I think that would impress them. ;)

Mike

I do that trick with flash paper and make the signed coin appear in a matchbox. You are right, they never forget it.
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