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Topic: "Black Ball" force idea needed.
Message: Posted by: Sid Mayer (Aug 13, 2002 07:36PM)
I have an idea for a routine based on Cagliostro and "The Affair of the Diamond Necklace." Can anyone suggest a method for the following?

Six white balls and one black ball are openly dropped into an ungimmicked cloth bag. The bag is handed to a spectator who offers it in turn to each of seven other spectators. Each of them reaches into the bag and withdraws one ball keeping it concealed in his or her hand. The bag is then empty and may be examined. Obviously, some one of the particpants has the black ball.

So what? The problem is that I need to control who gets the black ball.

I have a method but I'm not completely satisfied with it. What can you suggest?

Sid
Message: Posted by: jecar (Aug 13, 2002 08:42PM)
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On 2002-08-13 20:36, Sid Mayer wrote:
I have an idea for a routine based on Cagliostro and "The Affair of the Diamond Necklace." Can anyone suggest a method for the following?

Six white balls and one black ball are openly dropped into an ungimmicked cloth bag. The bag is handed to a spectator who offers it in turn to each of seven other spectators. Each of them reaches into the bag and withdraws one ball keeping it concealed in his or her hand. The bag is then empty and may be examined. Obviously, some one of the particpants has the black ball.

So what? The problem is that I need to control who gets the black ball.

I have a method but I'm not completely satisfied with it. What can you suggest?

Sid

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Buy it from Charles Gauci, it's called 'Body Language and costs $80.
http://www.charlesgauci.com/onlinestore.htm

Jerry Cargile
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Message: Posted by: David_Libertine (Aug 13, 2002 08:44PM)
How about a double change bag?
Message: Posted by: Sid Mayer (Aug 13, 2002 09:12PM)
Please read my original post. I know all about change bags. Part of the requirement is to do it with an ungimmicked bag (even a borrowed lunch bag).

I still need a better method than I have.

Sid Mayer

(I also wonder why sheep don't shrink when they get caught in a rainstorm.)
Message: Posted by: ThomasWTaylor (Aug 13, 2002 09:17PM)
Max Maven's 'Kurotsuke' from Video Mind Vol. 1, or Verball from Mind, Myth, and Magic are along these lines.

Good Luck,
Tom
Message: Posted by: Sir T (Aug 13, 2002 09:24PM)
Verball is page 602 in MMM and I would agree with Thomas. Kurotsuke, is nice to watch for the performance.

Kevin :kitty:
Message: Posted by: xersekis (Aug 13, 2002 10:01PM)
kurotsuke is soooooo simple. Don't try to get clever - don't try to get gimmicky - keep it simple.
Message: Posted by: Sid Mayer (Aug 13, 2002 10:09PM)
Thanks. I'll check out both Kurotsuke and Verball as soon as I get a chance.

with appreciation,

Sid
Message: Posted by: Sid Mayer (Aug 13, 2002 10:15PM)
Nope. Verball and Kurotsake are both divinations -- determining who has the odd ball. My need is for a method that places the black ball into the hands of a specific predetermined participant. I guess that my first post didn't make that as clear as it should be.

Any more suggestions?

Sid
Message: Posted by: christopher carter (Aug 13, 2002 10:25PM)
Obviously you are familiar with the workings of the Maven effect, so you understand what I mean when I say it can do what you need fifty percent of the time. Given that, does it absolutely have to be a ball? If not, if for example it could be a marked piece of paper, then the basic principle behind Kurotsuke could be adapted to give you a hundred percent accuracy.

--Christopher Carter
Message: Posted by: Sid Mayer (Aug 13, 2002 11:09PM)
Excellent thought, Christopher. No, it doesn't need to be a ball. It could be a marked piece of paper but I would prefer a small solid object. Using paper slips might conflict with or confuse the plot which involves each of the particpants also having a free choice of a small sealed envelope. Playing the part of the notorious Count, I fire an antique pistol and it is revealed that the holder of the black ball has the only envelope containing a calling card with a bullet hole.

I have performed this only once so far. It was at a convention and Max Maven happened to be in the front row of the audience. Afterward, he said that he liked the effect and, while he didn't admit it, may have wondered a bit about the method.

However, I'll work on your paper slip idea. It has definite possibilities.

Thanks,

Sid
Message: Posted by: Chad Sanborn (Aug 14, 2002 11:51AM)
Another route you could go is to gimmick the envelopes to show either a card with or without a hole in it. This would allow a free choice of any ball by any person. But a simple force is to keep the black ball out for the last person to take. Then mix up the people so its forgotten he was the last to take a ball. I am not sure if that fits your routine though.

Chad
Message: Posted by: Brash (Aug 14, 2002 12:43PM)
A possible variation on Chad's suggestion would be to hold a couple of white balls back as well as the black. Release the black on its own, then the two whites, giving the black ball to the third to last person.
Message: Posted by: christopher carter (Aug 14, 2002 03:36PM)
Should we maybe switch this conversation over to Secret Sessions?

--Christopher Carter
Message: Posted by: Sid Mayer (Aug 14, 2002 05:57PM)
We probably should. I would like to get further into details. Unfortunately, I'm still about 24 posts short of gaining admittance.

Later, I guess,

Sid
Message: Posted by: Chad Sanborn (Aug 14, 2002 06:41PM)
I will PM you with any further suggestions.

Chad
Message: Posted by: Gary (Aug 16, 2002 01:24PM)
As with the second respondent, I would recommend that you seriously consider Gauci's Body Language. It gets round many of the handling problems in the Max Maven handling.
Message: Posted by: gibby357 (Aug 16, 2002 05:54PM)
When I first read your initial Post, I was going to suggest the Max Maven handling as well but in reading the following post it is not what you are asking for. He controls the
choice, but you would like to hand it to someone who will hand it to the others as they pick, right? A tough call when it is out of your hand.... I will think and get back to you.

gibby :righton:
Message: Posted by: zimsalabim (Jul 29, 2008 12:31PM)
There is an effect called ADAIRS EGG NEST that would solve this for you.


Z
Message: Posted by: Spinnato (Jul 29, 2008 02:48PM)
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On 2008-07-29 13:31, zimsalabim wrote:
There is an effect called ADAIRS EGG NEST that would solve this for you.


Z
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Don't think anyone heard you. This thread is SIX YEARS OLD!