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Topic: Scott Alexander DVDs
Message: Posted by: wildthought (Sep 3, 2004 12:11PM)
What a huge disappoinment ! beside Shattered those DVDs are useless at best and embarassing at worst. lame effects, awefull presentations and performance, and in one word - boring.
at one point he wore a tools belt and brought s blocks of wood just to devine 5 cards from a shuffled deck. that was the point I couldn't take it anymore and quit watching them. I wanted to shout: haven't you heard Radar Deck and dozens of other 10 times powerfull effects that achieve the exact same impact (and better) without ruining a deck or having to carry all that rediculus stuff ?
not recommanded at all.

WT
Message: Posted by: Gianni (Sep 3, 2004 02:38PM)
I think you had better duck for cover on this one...

Gianni
Message: Posted by: Larry Davidson (Sep 3, 2004 05:15PM)
Wildthought, given that you really disliked the DVDs, what's the lowest price you'd take for them? I think they're superb, and would like to buy a set for a friend.
Message: Posted by: therntier (Sep 3, 2004 07:34PM)
I would like to be that friend.
Message: Posted by: Larry Davidson (Sep 3, 2004 08:10PM)
No you wouldn't. That would mean that you'd have to tolerate me. :baby:
Message: Posted by: David Eichler (Sep 3, 2004 09:58PM)
And you, Larry, would have to tolerate therntier (luckily, though, that is easy :))
Message: Posted by: Scott Alexander (Sep 3, 2004 11:23PM)
Oh well... you can't please everybody.


Scott
Message: Posted by: ScottLeavitt (Sep 4, 2004 05:19PM)
I agree with Larry...particularly liked Water Monte. Whenever I buy a DVD, if I come away with 2 effects I'll use, and am entertained by the rest, consider it a good investment.

Scott's DVDs pass both of these tests (for me)
Message: Posted by: Larry Davidson (Sep 4, 2004 05:46PM)
Wildthought, still waiting for a reply. I hope yours wasn't a hit-and-run posting.
Message: Posted by: griff13 (Sep 4, 2004 06:58PM)
Wildthought

Having watched these vids, your reaction is just the opposite of mine. I'm curious, what vids DO you like?

I know everyone has their own likes and dislikes, but your review was very harsh.

"that was the point I couldn't take it anymore and quit watching them" huh?
Message: Posted by: JJP161 (Sep 5, 2004 01:59AM)
[quote]
On 2004-09-03 18:15, Larry Davidson wrote:
Wildthought, given that you really disliked the DVDs, what's the lowest price you'd take for them? I think they're superb, and would like to buy a set for a friend.
[/quote]

If Mr. Davidson passes on these I'm looking for them as well.

Joe
Message: Posted by: Review King (Sep 5, 2004 03:34AM)
OH my GOD. These are 2 of the best DVD's ever made ( that includes videos ). The materiasl is "A" list material. Justr the water Monte effect was worth the price.

wildthought, have you even tried any of these effects for an audience?
Message: Posted by: david_a_whitehead (Sep 5, 2004 09:46AM)
There were some fantastic effects on these DVDs, no doubt bout it. I can see where wildthought is coming from though when he says the effect where you nail a deck into a board to find a thought of card is over the top. There are many better methods for doing that type of trick. It was one of few I wasn't impressed with on the dvds.
Message: Posted by: ragingcalm (Sep 5, 2004 10:07AM)
Do most of these effects rely on gimmicks? Am I right in thinking that the water monte relies on the good old physics of pressure differences?
Message: Posted by: owen.daniel (Sep 6, 2004 08:21AM)
I enjoyed the DVDs, and I don't understand how you could think these are bad...Some of the tricks I was a bit dissapointed in, however there were a lot of times when I had no clue as to the method, for instance in Water Monte. I saw this live performed by someone else, and after the show I was speechless. The colour changing silk is another amazing routine. also a short story is one of the most appealing mental effects, and as for the tool belt used in Nailed, I think this is a great way to do the (name of the move used).
Scott it was great chatting to you at MAGIC Live and then seeing you the day after, and I have to congratulate you for creating some great magic. I have not yet watched the Final Answer, as the DVDs did not work, but I am sorting that with Bob.
Once again, these DVDs are full of great stuff.
Owen
Message: Posted by: Scott Alexander (Sep 6, 2004 08:25PM)
Thanks Owen,

It was nice chatting with you as well. Its true that not all of the routines on any DVD will suit everyone. After all this is the artists own material. But I consider that even if I get one idea or something that starts me thinking in a new direction for a $35 investment in a DVD...its worth it.

If you need any insight on TFA Owen...don't hesitate to PM me here or inside the Inner Circle forums.

Thanks,

Scott
Message: Posted by: owen.daniel (Sep 7, 2004 07:45AM)
Thanks Scott,
I am still yet to see TFA, but I am sure I will be impressed. There is certainly one trick that I am going to work on from the DVDs, that being the Colour Changing Silk...I really love the ending. As someone who doesn't do any stage magic, I have always loved the silk fountain yet never really known how it works etc, your whole routine for it is so great, with the gimmick and the load!
Also the idea used in Jumping Jacks to get you one ahead is also revolutionary. I love the routine, however I already do a Matrix style bit in my act, which leads into more tricks with coins, so I can't immediatly use it.
These DVDs are definatly worth the money...I will be making sure that International Magic over here buy a few sets (i know they have Chris Korn's DVDs also from Bob Kohler).
Owen
Message: Posted by: Titanas (Sep 11, 2004 01:42PM)
These DVDs are great.......I really can't understand why all this arguement.
Message: Posted by: Michael Dustman (Sep 12, 2004 09:47PM)
I would also be interested in being Larry's friend whom he buys magic for. Then again, I would like to be Larry's friend period. Not like I don't jet in and out of DC frequently.

Then again, would be curious to what kind of magic wildthought actually likes. 18 posts in over a year of being a member leaves me wondering what kind of contributions he brings to magicland. Especially since only 3 of the 18 posts are more than 10 words long, and any that are reviews are all negative.
Message: Posted by: stevenamills (Sep 13, 2004 10:09AM)
[quote]
On 2004-09-06 21:25, Scott Alexander wrote:
But I consider that even if I get one idea or something that starts me thinking in a new direction for a $35 investment in a DVD...its worth it.

[/quote]

Scott,

I've got to disagree here - when that happens I feel HOSED.

steve

PS Just so there is NO mistake - I'm a big fan of Scott's DVDs - a big fan.
Message: Posted by: Larry Davidson (Sep 13, 2004 09:13PM)
[quote]
On 2004-09-12 22:47, Michael Dustman wrote:
Not like I don't jet in and out of DC frequently.
[/quote]

PM me when you're in town next, I'd love to get together!

Re. wildthought, it looks like he may have been trolling.
Message: Posted by: treysdaddy (Sep 15, 2004 12:16PM)
It all goes back to performance and what the audience gets out of it. I know that after seeing "Nailed", the talk would be:
"......yea, we shuffled the cards.....then he actually NAILED the deck to a board.... then ....."
I can't think of a better way to "ruin" a deck. I'll replace decks all day long to get such a strong reaction. I love these DVD's. If you can't adapt several things on these DVDs to what you do, you aren't thinking. Surely the guy that started this thread was just trying to stir things up a bit.

Bill
Message: Posted by: johnny jones (Sep 16, 2004 08:58AM)
Re: Trolling. I guess some share the opinion that if you post a negative review here, and choose not to argue endlessly with the posters who have another opinon, then you are trolling or you are a troll. Some english dude called me a troll in another tread. There seems to be a myriad of other techniques as well to lure you into a fight that you didn't really want.

Let's analyze wildthought for example. Hmmmm, only 18 posts. oh yes..he must be a troll. 18 posts means he is a newbie and his opinion cant possibly be as important as us guys that post 50 times a day. Hmmm, wildthought, I bet that isn't his real name. Some Café members have 20 or more identities, wildthought is a coward for not using his real name. Hmmm, wildthought is attacking someone by insulting this product, he probably has ulterior motives. Hey wildthought you didn't come back to fight...well, good riddance.

Boy, that sure is some powerful coldreading.

As to post on subject, I have not seen the dvd, but I have heard several mention they thought water monte was cool. And yes, I will sadly agree that if there is just one effect on a video that I love, then I wont think twice about buying it.
JJ
Message: Posted by: Michael Dustman (Sep 16, 2004 11:09AM)
JJ LIVES!!!!

[quote]
On 2004-09-16 09:58, johnny jones wrote:

18 posts means he is a newbie and his opinion cant possibly be as important as us guys that post 50 times a day. Hmmm, wildthought, I bet that isn't his real name. Some Café members have 20 or more identities, wildthought is a coward for not using his real name. Hmmm, wildthought is attacking someone by insulting this product, he probably has ulterior motives. Hey wildthought you didn't come back to fight...well, good riddance.

[/quote]

Seems to me, all we were asking was if he wanted to sell the DVD's and if he actually tried them for an audience.

Never heard back on what you would take for your TFA....
Message: Posted by: johnny jones (Sep 16, 2004 07:46PM)
Seems to me that Larry Davidson was suggesting that wildthought was a troll or troublemaker. He also seems overly concerned that wildthought would only post once and not stick around to argue. It seems that wildthought posted his true opinion about a product, why should he be dogged by a few individuals because his opinion is negative? And this just happens to be another Kohler product AND Larry Davidson just happens to be mentioned in the Kohler TFA credits. I am sure that is all just coincidence, but seriously Larry, no one OWES you an explanation for anything...especially a "hit and run" post. Once again, get real. Until next topic...!!
JJ
Message: Posted by: Michael Dustman (Sep 16, 2004 09:39PM)
WOW!!!!
Message: Posted by: johnny jones (Sep 16, 2004 10:28PM)
"Then again, would be curious to what kind of magic wildthought actually likes. 18 posts in over a year of being a member leaves me wondering what kind of contributions he brings to magicland. Especially since only 3 of the 18 posts are more than 10 words long, and any that are reviews are all negative."

Oh, and Michael, my, aren't we a little busybody too. Do you have time to analyze all 25,000 members? If not, how do you choose which ones you will play private detective with? Must be very interesting indeed. I wonder how many people are wondering what kind of contributions you brought to magicland. Probably none.
JJ
Message: Posted by: Michael Dustman (Sep 16, 2004 11:51PM)
And your post has what to do with Scott's DVD's? 2 posts attacking me and Larry and not one bit of information about Scott's DVD.

How about a truce JJ. Your bitterness towards me and anyone who actually enjoys Bob Kohler's marketed products is not being productive to the rest of the people on this board. You can be the bigger person here can't you??? I for one would like to end this banter. All I have ever asked of you is if you are willing to sell your TFA. I actually defended you on the other thread and said you had the right to post negative reviews. But all you want to do is go through and find threads that are marketed Bob Kohler products and tear them down and spout conspiracy theories. Larry and I and quite a few others enjoyed Scott's DVD's. Last time I checked, our names weren't in the credits.

Chill dude.
Message: Posted by: johnny jones (Sep 17, 2004 12:01PM)
Put very simply. I chanced upon this thread and saw the same scenario going on here that I had recently experienced in another thread. With 2 of the same key players. Yes, it got my goat, and I thought to myself..here are these Kohler dudes again. I wasn't busy playing detective and searching for kohler threads to make a scene in. The detective stuff is your M.O.

Your responses to my posts tell me that either you have not read my posts, your reading comprehension is not intact or selective, you are very good at playing dumb, or your eyesight is failing. Also you should re-assess your own actions, a marked difference in what you say you have done and what you have actually done.

For starters, a simple look at my first post in this thread will reveal that there is indeed a "bit of imformation" about scott's dvds. Favorable at that. But it seems you have missed the whole iceberg. I agree with you, this is not only a waste of my time, it is also a waste of everyone elses. Sorry, I gave you more credit than that at first. You can think of it as a truce.
JJ
Message: Posted by: Larry Davidson (Sep 17, 2004 12:22PM)
[quote]
On 2004-09-16 20:46, johnny jones wrote:
Seems to me that Larry Davidson was suggesting that wildthought was a troll or troublemaker. He also seems overly concerned that wildthought would only post once and not stick around to argue. It seems that wildthought posted his true opinion about a product, why should he be dogged by a few individuals because his opinion is negative? And this just happens to be another Kohler product AND Larry Davidson just happens to be mentioned in the Kohler TFA credits. I am sure that is all just coincidence, but seriously Larry, no one OWES you an explanation for anything...especially a "hit and run" post. Once again, get real. Until next topic...!!
JJ
[/quote]

Read my posting again. I wasn't asking for an argument...I was asking for a price. I wasn't asking for an explanation...I was asking for a price.

I agree with you that nobody owes me anything. And I don't even owe you the above explanation, which is why this will be my last response to your postings. Bye bye, stalker.

Larry Davidson
Message: Posted by: johnny jones (Sep 17, 2004 02:37PM)
Wow, "stalker" now. Yes, you are great at name calling. Well, at least you can see I refrain from name calling. I thought that wasn't allowed on these boards. Look Larry, you are the one who CHALLENGED me to come back and answer to you. You called me a wimp because I went away without a fight last time. Glad you won't respond. Bye bye name caller.
JJ
Message: Posted by: Scott Alexander (Sep 17, 2004 05:09PM)
Ok people...they are just magic tricks.

Lets all just let it go. This is helping no one.

Peace,

Scott
Message: Posted by: Cardic (Sep 18, 2004 07:02AM)
I heard so much good about Scott Alexander vids..

so I bought them.. and didn't find anything for me :(
Message: Posted by: Larry Davidson (Sep 18, 2004 09:08AM)
Cardic, as I mentioned earlier, I'm interested in buying the DVDs for a friend, and since wildthought didn't respond to my posting, I thought I'd ask you if you're interested in selling. If so, can you PM me with a price?

Regards, Larry Davidson
Message: Posted by: Cardic (Sep 18, 2004 10:06AM)
Hi Larry.

I would sell em to you, but I live so far away from you (finland) that I think shipping those to US would cost the price of the dvd's.
Message: Posted by: Larry Davidson (Sep 18, 2004 12:27PM)
Oh well. Thanks for the reply, I appreciate it.

Larry
Message: Posted by: Tom Stevens (Jan 8, 2005 11:19PM)
I just ordered Scott's 10 O'clock show and Midnight show DVD's.

Can anyone tell me what props are used, so I can buy the right props while waiting for the DVD's to arrive?

I might not get all of them, but perhaps if there are some standard props, that are useful to any magician, I just want to be sure that I at least have some of them.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Rice (Jan 9, 2005 08:43PM)
If I were totel you the props most of them would reveal the seret but I do reccomend pciking up a bunch of different colored silks, and some kids jacks. also a nice hat. Just wait until you get the DVDs.
Message: Posted by: Tom Stevens (Jan 11, 2005 03:38PM)
Thanks Jonathan!
Message: Posted by: Hoggle (Jan 12, 2005 11:07PM)
There were some things I didn't care for. That is true with ALMOST every video/DVD I own.

Water Monte and (cant remember the name) The coin trick about the price of coffee were EXCEPTIONAL.

I am a jerk when it comes to reviews because there is so much hype out there that when something is bad I tear it up. The 12 oclock show is all Ive seen and there were 2 things in it I loved! Man that doesn't happen alot.
Message: Posted by: ClouDsss (Jan 13, 2005 01:58AM)
I have both of the dvds and I have to say the water monte really blew me off..after learning how its done, I realised its not that difficult and that's the good part!!

I have to say it does have a few tricks which I dint like but overall, is worth getting as the ideas are interesting enuff and the best part, most of them are easy to do.

cheerios
Message: Posted by: Hart Keene (Jan 13, 2005 11:04AM)
Didn't care for Metrosexual or The Bullet Catch but everything else was good IMHO.
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (Jan 13, 2005 12:13PM)
I loved these dvd's but do agree that metrosexual was a little weak. I also thought the same about the bullet catch but I have a good friend who does it all the time and it kills. Just proves the old adage that a trick doesn't have to fool a magician to be good. It just has to fool the paying customers.
Message: Posted by: Dr Jim (Jan 13, 2005 02:46PM)
I love shattered, water monte and coffee break. I think the DVD is worth the cost for shattered alone. Lay folks love the bullet catch. Thanks Scott!

Jim
Message: Posted by: ritty360 (Jan 13, 2005 04:17PM)
Guys,

Scott Alexander....read his post! What a class act! Scott I bought your DVDs and love'em! YOu are a credit to the art. I happen to love the toolbelt routine. It is so commercial and clever.

I look forward to the day I can get TFA and add that killer to my act.
Message: Posted by: Hart Keene (Jan 14, 2005 11:16AM)
[quote]
On 2005-01-13 15:46, Dr Jim wrote:
I love shattered, water monte and coffee break. I think the DVD is worth the cost for shattered alone. Lay folks love the bullet catch. Thanks Scott!

Jim
[/quote]

Shattered is a wonderful effect but I don't understand how it is worth the price of the DVD considering that you would have to spend around $200 to make it yourself. I think it makes sense to just buy the effect by itself for $250 from HP. I'm glad that shattered was not the only thing I liked on the DVD because alone it is definitely not worth the price of the DVD IMHO.
Message: Posted by: Spinnato (Jan 14, 2005 10:38PM)
[quote]
On 2004-09-04 00:23, Scott Alexander wrote:
Oh well... you can't please everybody.


Scott
[/quote]

Scott;

I personally think that the Bullet Catch with a straw was worth the price of the DVD. Great routine.
Message: Posted by: Michael Dustman (Jan 15, 2005 02:03PM)
Scott Alexander DVD: Birthday Gift=Free
Props to make Shattered myself: $139.50

Saving myself $110.50 to make it myself: Priceless
Message: Posted by: Dr Jim (Jan 15, 2005 09:02PM)
Scott Alexander DVD: Birthday Gift=Free
Props to make Shattered myself: $139.50

Saving myself $110.50 to make it myself: Priceless

Well said!
Message: Posted by: Scott Alexander (Jan 18, 2005 01:23AM)
Cost of Midnight and 10'o clock show DVDs .... $70

Cost of buying Shattered.... $250

Cost of buying The Final Answer.... $395

Cost of buying Velocity.... $795

All the nice comments I have received on the material.....Priceless.


Thank you all for your kind words and entheusiasm for the work,

Scott
Message: Posted by: Hart Keene (Jan 18, 2005 11:02AM)
[quote]
On 2005-01-15 15:03, Michael Dustman wrote:
Scott Alexander DVD: Birthday Gift=Free
Props to make Shattered myself: $139.50

Saving myself $110.50 to make it myself: Priceless
[/quote]

Michael, who do you think has the best deal on the Norm Nielson products? Thanks in advance...
Message: Posted by: Michael Dustman (Jan 18, 2005 03:22PM)
Well Scott,

I had to save my self the money on the Shattered and DVD's. It was the easiest way I was able to add TFA to my act last July and how I can eagerly sit here and wait for my Velocity which is in transit. (With my luck, it will be delivered while I am in Arkansas doing some shows...hopfully it gets here tomorrow and I can at least take the DVD with me).

Only problem...I feel like I am doing the Scott Alexander Magic Show:East Coast version. At least I am changing the routines up somewhat. You know the TFA I do is really different. But I thank you my friend and hope your shoulders can hold the weight of my standing on them.

Michael
Message: Posted by: Scott Alexander (Jan 18, 2005 11:44PM)
That's fine...I don't do any of that crap anymore anyway!

;)
Scott
Message: Posted by: Tom Stevens (Jan 19, 2005 01:25AM)
I just got the two DVD's yesterday, and watched the 10 O'clock show immediately. I was going to watch the 12 O'clock show but I don't stay up past 12.

Silly joke.

Ok, My reaction:

I'm so glad that I found this forum to help me find recommendations on DVD's.

I saw these listed as several people's "top DVD for 2004" and I am VERY GLAD I ordered them! I'm going to start adding some elements into my routines.
I try to not do what everyone else is doing, but I'm learning that it takes any magician time to learn, just like me, so just because this is on a popular DVD doesn't mean that everyone will be performing it. Taylor's Magic Shop in Sydney had to order more because he'd already sold out.
Message: Posted by: RenzIII (Jan 19, 2005 02:27PM)
I like Scotts work, he's a thinker. Perhaps what's got everybody twisted
is they have no original material to perform or sell for that matter.

I have love Scotts material, I perform what seems to suit me of fit my style.
Not all material works for everyone.

What I can say is, for the most part, Scott has me thinking. I tend to read
between the lines, this is where the magic is.

Let us not forget, Scott is a professional who makes a living with this material,
how many out there can make the same claim??

As for me, Scott thanks for sharing Velocity and Final Answer. You could have
kept it all to yourself, I think I would have.

In the immortal words of Ralph Kramden: Some people are never satisfied.
Message: Posted by: Scott Alexander (Jan 19, 2005 06:49PM)
Renzomagic,

I think its great that you are able to read between the lines and adapt the material to suit your own style.

If you perform the matierial word for word and move for move you would be doing a dis-service to yourself.

Glad to be a springboard for fellow magicians thought process'.

Thanks..

Scott
Message: Posted by: squando (May 26, 2005 07:02AM)
Just to get it straight...there are two DVD's...10 & midnight
Message: Posted by: evolve629 (May 26, 2005 09:05AM)
I have both the 10 O'Clock and the Midnight Show dvds. I don't think I'm going to wear a tool belt for Shattered as it's not my style at this time. But I do like to see this act performed by Scott! Effects that I definately am going to incorporate are Coffee Break, Water Monte, Jumping Jacks, Sense of Color and The Hat! Great work, Scott. You are, IMO, one of the best modern magicians out there :)
Message: Posted by: exohordon (May 26, 2005 09:28AM)
I don't recall Scott wearing a tool belt for Shattered.
Only for nailed.
Message: Posted by: evolve629 (May 26, 2005 09:37AM)
Yes, exohordon, you're right! It's Nailed and not Shattered. My mistake...
Message: Posted by: maiglesias (Jul 8, 2005 09:45AM)
I love the DVDs and have purchased Shattered from Norm Nielsen as well as Final Answer from Bob Kohler. I have performed Shattered and it is a WONDERFUL effect. I have not yet performed Final Answer because I want to give it the attention it requires. Great effects! Great thinker!
Message: Posted by: VcosNJ (Jul 8, 2005 10:48AM)
If you can only choose one of these dvd's, which one would you purchase first? I can only afford one dvd at a time at the moment so anyone have a particular favorite? I am eventually going to own both, just not right now.
Message: Posted by: maiglesias (Jul 11, 2005 10:06AM)
I would start with the Midnite show. Bullet catch is a fun, close-up version of the classic. Shattered is amazing! If you have Dean's box, Scott has some good handling and presentation ideas. I think you'll like Water Monte as well.
Message: Posted by: VcosNJ (Jul 11, 2005 03:50PM)
Thanks maiglesias! I've already put my order in!
Message: Posted by: Richard Shippy (Jul 11, 2005 11:54PM)
These DVDs are AWESOME!!! His routines are very refreshing! Excellent ideas! One of the best video sets I've purchased this year.

Take care,
Rich
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (Jul 13, 2005 08:38AM)
Rich,

I totally agree with you. Mr. Alexander's ideas and approach to magic are refreshingly new. His routines are entertaining and are within the technical means of every magician, professional or amateur. His color changing silk and silk fountain effect are great as well. I hope he comes out with a four o'clock show DVD. Highly recommended.

Michael
Message: Posted by: Michael Dustman (Jul 13, 2005 04:31PM)
If you had to choose one to start with, I would start with the 12:00 show. I have both and enjoyed them both. However, I am using more material off of the midnight show.

Shattered has been featured in my stand-up act.

Water Monte has been done a few times in close-up and once in stand-up.

I am starting to work on Coffee Break now. It is quite the nifty little routine that I want to devote some time to before performing it in the real world.
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (Jul 14, 2005 10:43AM)
I also would start with the midnight show. Many commercial and unique routines. I liked the Coffee Break routine but it does require a certain nack to do it right. I like the water monte effect but again you have to experiment so you know exactly the amount of "you know what" to use so that the effect works correctly each and every time. The bullet catch is terrific and of course shatterd is great. It is a real show piece.

Michael
Message: Posted by: VcosNJ (Jul 16, 2005 01:32AM)
Thanks guys! I'm looking forward to the midnight show. It should be on the way :)