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Topic: New clean triple prediction
Message: Posted by: Vraagaard (Sep 23, 2004 04:48AM)
Here is a description of my new effect. I’m sure it’s been done in plenty versions before, I just haven’t stumbled on them. I've seen some clever methods to accomplish this from both Corinda and Anneman - and my method for achieving this effect is based on an Anneman idea. What I would really like is to be directed to similar sources for similar effects and routines. Now here is the effect.

Presentation: For both stage and close-up
3 objects are presented lets say it’s a Bowler Hat, Umbrella and Trench coat hanging on a coat hanger on stage (for close up it could be a key, a coin and a business card).

Now a spectator will make 3 absolutely free choices, but before doing so I write a prediction on a piece of paper, flashes it to the audience and inserts it to an envelope. The envelope is given to another spectator to hold during the whole performance.

Now the spectator will make the first choice. I say “Please choose which one of the 3 objects should be for you to hold, not to keep, but just for you to hold”. Assume the spec say “I will hold the Trench coat”. Then the trench coat is handed to the spectator.

Now the 2nd choice: “Please choose which one of the remaining two objects I (the performer) should hold”. Assume the spectator says “you should hold the Bowler Hat”. As said, I’ll take the bowler hat.

“Now that’s leaves the third object, the Umbrella, hanging on the coat hanger. Do we agree about that that was the result of your first two choices?”. The spectator presumably answers with a "yes".

“So 3 choices has indeed been made, from your own free will – is that correct?” The spectator answers “yes”.

Now I turn to the spectator that holds the envelope. And with empty hands (no switches made) I take the envelope rip it open and goes to the spectator who made the choices and say “please reach in to this envelope and take out the prediction”. When done I say “Please read loud the prediction I made”, and the spectator who holds the trench coat reads loud the following:

“ I am standing with the Trench coat. You are standing with the Bowler Hat. And remaining on the coat hanger is the Umbrella. Thanks for your cooperation the choices made were just perfect”.

Remarks: The strong points here are the following three: 1) A spectator holds the envelope before the choices are being made, and 2) The spectator who makes the choices is told exactly what will happen to the object, before he makes the choice, e.g. “Please choose which one of the 3 objects should BE FOR YOU TO HOLD”. 3) The Spectator removes the prediction from the envelope.

There is an alternative ending, but that scenario is equally clean.

Could you please direct me to any similar sources to see if I can in any way improve this effect.
Message: Posted by: Ken Dyne (Sep 23, 2004 05:56AM)
Hi, it sounds very much like you could use the principal for "Free Will" in order to do this. Free Will is a marketed efefct but the principal can be applied to almost anything and is amazing.

Hope this helps,

Kind thoughts,
Kennedy
Message: Posted by: Vraagaard (Sep 23, 2004 06:06AM)
Hi Kennedy,

Thanks

Did you alter your picture to a more Terminator type look?

Yeah I know Free Will, but the difference is that in Free Will you do NOT tell the spectator what will happen with the chosen object before he/she makes the pick. Only after the object is chosen you say "put it in...."

In the above effect the spectator knows beforehand what will happen to the object chosen. that's one of the absolute strong parts about it. And vice versa one of the weak points about Free Will.

However the linquistic method in Free Will is an old one and is also applied in my effect.

A tip for Free Will is: Discard the props. Write the prediction on the spot and put it in an envelope, and use 3 of your business card "impromptu" and draw one sign on each and then go into the effect. Those who knows Free Will also knows why I put "Impromptu" in quotation marks. This will make it look even more impromptu and is a good way to hand out your business cards.

Now, my close up version will allow you to tell the spectator what will happen to the choice beforehand - unlike Free Will. As mentioned I use a coin, a key and a business card (which I hand out after the effect).
Message: Posted by: Nicholas (Sep 23, 2004 07:46AM)
I've never heard of "Free Will" nor have I ever heard of linguistics applied in quite the way you are doing it...but I love it!! No reason not to tell them up front what they are to do with the object considering your excellent use of verbage. There is nothing new I can contribute but what you have done opens some new doors for me. I would think it would do the same for others.
Message: Posted by: mrfluffy (Sep 23, 2004 10:23AM)
Who markets "free will"?
Message: Posted by: Ken Dyne (Sep 23, 2004 12:18PM)
Cool sounds great!

my avatar: not going for the terminator look but a few people have said that. No, just messing about with my photo to look more "mysterious" :lol:

Free Will is avaiable from http://www.magicbox.uk.com and it floored me completely and I can't believe it because I specialise in lingusitics in my work (well that's what I think anyway!)
Message: Posted by: Murfmind (Sep 23, 2004 06:17PM)
Hank Lee also has Free Will for sale. Murf
Message: Posted by: MentaThought (Sep 25, 2004 03:05PM)
One of the best triple-prediction effects I've seen is Ken Driscoll's "Confab-tuation".
Message: Posted by: owenscott (Sep 25, 2004 03:14PM)
Is he tipping the method or am I missing it? If from the description the method is obvious, then well done because I cannot see it. If it is not tipped then it does look impressive. thanks
Message: Posted by: Roth (Sep 25, 2004 06:28PM)
It is a bit borderline.
Message: Posted by: mindgames (Sep 26, 2004 01:18PM)
I marketed free will about months ago, and I got many input and detail of personal routine from many great mentalist in the world soon after that!
couple things...
1. I agree with owen, it is a bit borderline.
2. vraagaard rotine is actually adapted from my free will and I believe free will got the ability to do that to.
3. free will is an unlimited source for great prediction.

http://www.corbuzier.com
Message: Posted by: Lord Of The Horses (Sep 26, 2004 02:40PM)
Deddy,

you are right. Free Will can be presented EXACTLY as the one above if you change just a little bit your language and the sequence.

And, yes, I agree with you, Free Will can be adapted to many other things. Me and Greg Arce, for example, adapted it to a full deck of playing cards, and you had your routine with the Tarots if I'm not mistaken.

Paolo Cavalli
Message: Posted by: mindgames (Sep 28, 2004 01:13PM)
And the Tarot routine is free for people who have the proof of purchasing the free will
Message: Posted by: Juan D (Sep 28, 2004 04:02PM)
Sorry, just wanted to steal this post for a moment :
Corbuzier, Some time ago I heard about your Nocturnal Booktest but never heard of it again
Is it still in the making?
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Ok, back into the regular discussion
I love "free will" and the presentation of Vraagard, is really cool
I'm gonna give it a try...

Vragaard, you say that you based your presentation on an Annemann idea. may I ask : What effect from Annemann was the basis of your approach?
Message: Posted by: Vraagaard (Sep 29, 2004 03:14AM)
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Ok, back into the regular discussion
I love "free will" and the presentation of Vraagard, is really cool
I'm gonna give it a try...

Vragaard, you say that you based your presentation on an Annemann idea. may I ask : What effect from Annemann was the basis of your approach?




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Thanks a lot Juan. Actually I meant that the method of being able to tell the spectator upfront what would happen with his choice was based on an Annemann idea. The ability to say to the spectator upfront, that "your first choice will be for you to hold, the second choice will be for me to hold and the third choice you make will be left on the coathanger". The ability to say this prior to the spectator making the choices requires a method for switching your predictions.

I can add that the number of predictions in play will depend on the number of objects that can be left hanging on the coathanger. In my version its 3 objects, meaning I need 3 predictions.

From the routine above it should be quite easy to guess where and when the switch is happening. When opening the envelope right under the nose of the spectator, meaning all the heat is on when the switch is made. And the spectator can take out the note from the envelope, and see that there is nothing else in the envelope. The gimmick allows this which makes it even more convincing, since its unbelieable that the switch is happening at that moment. Annemann and Corinda gave me the basic idea to build this envelope, all I've done is to refine the envelope.
Message: Posted by: Roth (Sep 29, 2004 12:18PM)
Try applying Free Will to memories tyed to 3 colors you have them "just visulize" floating in front of them.
They choose the colors and you do the appropriate cold
reading of each color to get "the result" you want.

no props except the prediction.

Rick
Message: Posted by: mindgames (Sep 29, 2004 12:42PM)
With free will you don't need to switch anything at all vraagaard, its just that clean. and I meant it.
oh yyes the nocturnal is already in Elmwood now. probably soon...
Message: Posted by: Vraagaard (Sep 30, 2004 03:20AM)
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On 2004-09-29 13:42, mindgames wrote:
With free will you don't need to switch anything at all vraagaard, its just that clean. and I meant it.
oh yyes the nocturnal is already in Elmwood now. probably soon...
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Dear Mindgames,

As mentioned I already have Free Will and I think it's a wonderfull creation. Only thing I didn't like when on stage was that you could not prior to the spectators choice tell them where the choice would go. Only after they have chosen you could tell them to "put the object in their hand" or somewhere else. And that works perfectly ok on its own premises, but to my feeling best as a close-up piece.

What I wanted was the ability to tell beforehand what would happen with the choice, and of course that involves a switch in the end.

Oh, by the way. The envelope created makes you finish "clean" as snow.
Message: Posted by: Socrates (Sep 30, 2004 07:39AM)
Hey Vraagaard,

Sounds like you just tipped the method to 'Free Will' in your last post, nice-one!

Socrates

'Simplify!' - Henry David Thoreau :die:
Message: Posted by: Vraagaard (Sep 30, 2004 08:37AM)
[quote]
On 2004-09-30 08:39, Socrates wrote:
Hey Vraagaard,

Sounds like you just tipped the method to 'Free Will' in your last post, nice-one!

Socrates

'Simplify!' - Henry David Thoreau :die:
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Nothing said in the last post that hasn't been mentioned in the posts above. But...

I actually think this whole thread should be deleted due to exposure, so I already alerted the moderators a long time ago.

Please do so too.
Message: Posted by: Steven Steele (Sep 30, 2004 11:24AM)
This effect actually has its roots in a routine described by Robert Neale back in the very early 90's. The routine was improved by Simon Aronson and appeared as "Child's Play" in his book "Simply Simon" (published 1995). If you have Simon's book you can do Vraagaard's routine.

And there are no switches.
Message: Posted by: Patrick Redford (Sep 30, 2004 06:10PM)
Steven,

Are you sure? I've performed both effects in the past and I don't see the similarity between free will and these two effects or the hybrid I now perform.

Kindest Regards,

George Tait
Message: Posted by: Vraagaard (Oct 1, 2004 02:23AM)
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On 2004-09-30 12:24, Steven Steele wrote:
This effect actually has its roots in a routine described by Robert Neale back in the very early 90's. The routine was improved by Simon Aronson and appeared as "Child's Play" in his book "Simply Simon" (published 1995). If you have Simon's book you can do Vraagaard's routine.

And there are no switches.
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Dear Steven, Thanks a lot. That was the whole purpose of introducing this thread. Actually to get directed to a similar effect with a better handling. I look into Simply Simon,

Thanks again.