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Topic: My dekolta Chair presentation-what d'ya think?
Message: Posted by: The Mac (Oct 10, 2004 02:30PM)
Here's my idea for a Dekolta chair presentation. Actually is also serves as a little joke.

The magician have just finished his 3rd or 4th illusion on stage and as he is about to proceed into his next one we hear a heckler from the audience dissing the magician on stage. the magician tries to proceed but the heckler gets louder. In frustration the magician invites the heckler on stage sit him down on a dekolta chair that's designed to look like an electric chair. The magician throws the switch and there's a zapping sound.

The magician then pulls the cloth off the heckler revealing that fact that he has vanished. The magician then steps forward looking at the crowd and says slyly "anyone else?"

I know it seems rather rough now- but it might be a nice way to do it!

Message: Posted by: The Donster (Oct 10, 2004 02:43PM)
MacGyver I say go for it. or sit him down and ask him if he'll like to watch the show from there ( dekolta Chair ) also I take it your in the Magic University in south africa how do you like it ?
Message: Posted by: plainman007 (Oct 10, 2004 02:45PM)
Hey I Like your idea...!!!...and then does he reappear at the back of the hall with 2 le**os on either side ? Let me know....Im looking forward to this illusion !!!
Message: Posted by: The Donster (Oct 10, 2004 03:02PM)
You also might want to have a plant/stooge to help you with this.
Message: Posted by: The Mac (Oct 10, 2004 03:27PM)
Well the guy will be a plant! I

I'm not in the university of Magic. I am friends with the vice president of South African Magical Society (SAMS). I dunno - but I don't feel like belonging to a society :(

I'm working on more original approaches for effects. Dekolta chair doesn't have to be performed in an attic!!

Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Oct 10, 2004 05:01PM)
The guy will be a plant?

I'd rather he be a vegetable!

Get it? Vegetable?


Ahhh.... Forget it!

Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Oct 10, 2004 05:29PM)
On 2004-10-10 16:27, macGyver(south Africa) wrote:
Well the guy will be a plant! I

I'm not in the university of Magic. I am friends with the vice president of South African Magical Society (SAMS). I dunno - but I don't feel like belonging to a society :(

I'm working on more original approaches for effects. Dekolta chair doesn't have to be performed in an attic!!


A lot of magicians feel that way, but belonging to a magical society can be a good thing. Most of the members are amateurs, which means that they have other jobs. Sometimes the things they do for a living can be helpful to you when you are constructing things. For example, there is a fellow who is a member of our local magic club. He isn't a great magician, but he is a heck of a machinist.

One hand washes the other.

And if you were a member of a magic club, you might also have access to some historical books that would broaden your view of magic. Your quote "the DeKolta Chair doesn't have to be performed in an attic" indicates to me that your view in magic goes back no more than, say, 20 years. The DeKolta chair was not performed in an attic situation until John Gaughan set that up for Copperfield. Naturally, everyone copied him.

But what was the reason for the attic set? It was to get rid of the t*** d*** which had been necessary in earlier presentations.

The idea of involving a heckler from the audience in an illusion isn't new at all. Paul Driscoll did something similar with an assistant's revenge -- 25 years ago. But it does show that you are thinking along original lines, so that's not bad at all

If you go back to the original presentation of the DeKolta chair, then you would know that modern magicians have also eliminated one of the key parts of that DeKolta used in his presentation.

Anyone know what it was?
Message: Posted by: Whit Haydn (Oct 10, 2004 07:46PM)
The cloth vanished as well.
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Oct 10, 2004 08:20PM)
I knew about the cloth also.

Most guys do the Richardi presentation and handling.

When we do corporate,. we vanish the competion. Then we we set a spectator in the chair for a sponge ball routine, we tease.."Remember what happen to the last person who sat here".
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Oct 11, 2004 01:42AM)
On 2004-10-10 20:46, whithaydn wrote:
The cloth vanished as well.

Bingo! Give the man a cup of coffee and a donut!

Message: Posted by: markparker (Oct 11, 2004 02:56AM)
I am presuming the electrobe head gear on the execution chair would replace the usual unseen apparatus, if so nice touch.
It may be a neat idea to switch the stooge for a smouldering skeleton or a charred pile of smoking clothing

A unit could be designed that does not need a ***p D***, by incorporating some throw switch type unit for the electric chair, if you get my drift.

Just some thoughts from this side of the water.


Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Oct 11, 2004 03:18AM)
Since electric chairs are usually rather bulky items, rather than the spindly kinds of things that one usually sees made into a DeKolta chair, and they are usually on plinths of some kind, there are ample places to conceal "the works." I can visualize a very simple way of getting this to work that would not be uncomfortable for the person being vanished.
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Oct 11, 2004 05:26AM)
Why not use some kind of a funken ring and eliminate the real electric chair mechanism?
Message: Posted by: LeeAlex2002 (Oct 11, 2004 05:34AM)
Check out Dream Designs in the UK.
They have a De Kolta chair that does exactly what you say - and it uses [i]any[/i] member of the audience who is then able to appear back elsewhere.

I believe Chabang is a member on here so touch base with him.
Message: Posted by: NFox (Oct 11, 2004 12:32PM)
If I am not mistaken there is already a DeKolta Chair in the shape of an electric chair, it didn't look too real if I remember correctly. I believe that Mark Parker has shown his true genious (once again) with his suggestion. One final thought, staged correctly with lots of smoke and sparks emminating from your "victim" you could completely do away with the cloth. If you do this be careful becuase smoke/fog tends to follow quick motion and might reveal the motion of your "victim."

Nick Fox
Message: Posted by: MCM (Oct 11, 2004 03:27PM)
Or, take the cloth away to show the victim is now a skeleton.
Message: Posted by: The Mac (Oct 15, 2004 12:23PM)
***..is there no original ideas left in magic?
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Oct 15, 2004 12:45PM)
If you want to understand why most original ideas can be traced to other ideas, read James Burke's book [i]Connections.[/i]

One of the cleverest "original" ideas in illusions is the Pendragons' "360 degree" Levitation. Jonathan Pendragon would have a fit if he saw the video I saw two nights ago -- Mark Wilson performing a platform levitation which had all of the elements of that very illusion with one minor exception. The video was shot during the early days of the Alakazam show. As I watched it, Bev Bergeron, who designed this particular levitation told me "We told Mark to take it all the way around, but he decided not to do it."

But that doesn't mean that you shouldn't do the presentation.

Richard Hughes' idea of using the funkenring principle is a very good one. You don't need to use actual funkenrings, though. Just remove the mechanisms from two or three of them and install them at the right locations -- head, hands, etc.
Message: Posted by: The Mac (Oct 16, 2004 10:43AM)
I think Paul Harris said it best when he discovered that he had recently "invented" a sleight that two magicians before him had already published.
he said :

" I applaud these two titans of magic for their foresight and ingenuity in so accurately predicting the move which I would later originate" Paul Harris

So (with tongue firmly in cheek ) I applaud Paul Driscoll and Mark Parker for predicting the ORIGINAL presentation which I would later invent!!!
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Oct 16, 2004 03:46PM)
It shows that you are thinking! Most magicians don't even bother to do that.
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Oct 16, 2004 09:10PM)
But Ted Serios did do the rotation with the levitation. Pre Pendragon, Copperfield etc.
Message: Posted by: MDS (Oct 16, 2004 09:14PM)
It sounds like a great idea. It would be funny if the person came hopping in from the back in his underwear, gagged and tied up. What an ending.

Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Oct 16, 2004 09:23PM)
I made the same mistake again (I'm sure Bill Palmer will catch it) and correct me.. It was not Ted Serios (that was the phony psyhic). I think it was Bill Seros from Texas.

A computer may make it easier to write but it is just as hard to think as ever.
Message: Posted by: John Cass (Oct 17, 2004 12:46AM)
On 2004-10-16 22:10, hugmagic wrote:
But Ted Serios did do the rotation with the levitation. Pre Pendragon, Copperfield etc.


Ted Serios was a fraudulent psychic. You mean Bill Siros.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Oct 17, 2004 12:50AM)
You beat me to it, John! Bill Siros did not do a rotation with a levitation, anyway. He did a partial movement, about 30 degrees or so off-axis each way, with a modified version of a Super-X. His version did not move up and down.

This was about the same time as the Mark Wilson Magic Land of Alakazam in which Bergeron's Platform [b]Levitation[/b] made its first appearance. I was in Bill's workshop when he performed it for Walter Blaney once.
Message: Posted by: The Mac (Oct 17, 2004 03:12PM)
You guys really are amazingly clued up with magic history. This magic Café is amazing.. the other day I read a post from some guy who worked with the devil himself David Copperfield!!!

Bill Palmer you sound like a very knowledgable guy- I look forward to reading your thoughts and ideas.

As for the guy coming out gagged and strapped- that's Brilliant! its also a set up- I mean you can have the guy strapped in the chair again and this time end up as a flaming skeleton!
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Oct 17, 2004 04:41PM)
I did an illusion show at the Texas Renaissance Festival for about 20 years. I actually worked there for 26 years, but did smaller stuff at first. I'm selling most of the props now.

I have been very fortunate in meeting a lot of people who built their own stuff, because they couldn't afford anything else.

And Bev Bergeron, who designed many of Mark Wilson's early illusions is from around here, as well.

Plus, I keep my eyes and ears open.

Here is an interesting side note about the platform levitation. There is an article by Mark Wilson in this month's issue of Genii. In it he speaks of the platform levitation, stating that it was designed and built by Carl Owen. There are no references anywhere in the article about Bev Bergeron's contributions to the Mark Wilson show.

Those of us who were around "way back then" know the real history of this material. Mark and Nani do not want to give credit to Bev for any of the presentational work and ideas he contributed to their show. It's too bad, really, because Bev's creativity is almost boundless.

Carl would not have "designed" the platform levititation if Bev had not given the platform as a solution to the problem of making holes where they were not wanted.

Maybe Carl did the actual blueprint drawings (such as they were -- oldtimers know how Carl's "blueprints" were done) but it was Bev's idea.