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Topic: Which Opener do you use.
Message: Posted by: Vraagaard (Oct 11, 2004 02:26AM)
Dear fellow mentalists.

Everybody wants to get the full attention with the first effect of the act, and I've noticed that some mentalists actual kick's of with a fast magic trick, like producing a glass of wine or something else. I do not have a lot of practice performing mentalism except performing for friends and family (sometimes up to 20), but anyway, performing for family is one thing and performing for an unknown audience is another (as I recall from my magic acts).

Now I have so far started with Bank Night (Osterlind style giving away four lottery coupons in the end), but I'm afraid it's a little too slow as an opener for an unknown audience. Especially since I'm going to perform in an evening where most of the people showing up don't even know there will be a performance (kind of a surprise to them). So maybe to wake them up and catch the attention I need a fast opener.

Now I have a lot of fast magic tricks I can do as an opener, but I was actually looking for a mentalist opener - just to show the context and to explain them the difference between being a magician and a mental illusionist. So I'm curious to how you open your shows.

Let us hear about your openers and why and how they work. And please, as common information notice the tittle of the effect and the origin or even better where you can buy/acquire the effect or description of the effect as well.

Regards.

Vraagaard

Just to clarify. I'm not looking for an effect that in itself shows the difference between a magician and a mentalist. I'm looking for a clean fast mentalist effect as an opener.

So I'm looking for your best mentalist opening effect.

Then I can always introduce by saying, "See, a magician is an artist who performs illusions with silks, coins well even live animals and aeroplanes, whereas a mentalist performs illusions with "information" and "choices". Here is a small effect to show you what I mean".

Of course, that could be my intro anyway, but I like to hear about your best mentalist opener.
Message: Posted by: cardiac (Oct 11, 2004 04:52AM)
Well a few things spring to mind. Perhaps for family and friends and you're in someone's house, a swift book test would be good.

If you're demonstrating the differences as you describe (and you have the Osterlind material), a quick mindreading feat (with the perfected CT) might be a nice start.
Message: Posted by: oxygen (Oct 11, 2004 05:00AM)
I mostly do walk-around mentalism, and most of the time, I introduce myself with a watch effect.
Message: Posted by: Dr_Stephen_Midnight (Oct 11, 2004 05:59AM)
I do walk-around also. I usually start with either a quick Rhine card telepathy test, or "You are Psychic" (described in Mark Striving's "WAM - Walk Around Mentalism").

Steve
Message: Posted by: PinkGlove (Oct 11, 2004 01:41PM)
I plan to use a chair prediction, then if the staple roulette on the upcoming Spellman DVDs are good, I'll do that as a little routine right at the start.
Message: Posted by: Ken Dyne (Oct 11, 2004 02:51PM)
I open with a line similar to "You've seen magicians with their decks of cards right? Well I'm a magician, but I do things a little differently. I want you to think of a card, any card in the deck at all. Anyone thinking of the Queen of hearts? How about the ace of spades? Okay, now don't let me influence you this time, name card out loud. Really? That's weird, because I took one card from this deck here and turned it the wrong way round. Take a look, it's the very same Three of Clubs!"

I then proceed to say that I don't do anything else with cards and move on.

Hope this helpful to someone.

Kind thoughts,

Kennedy
Message: Posted by: entity (Oct 11, 2004 02:58PM)
The Tossed Out Deck seems to have become a staple opening effect for many Mentalists.

- entity
Message: Posted by: Maaaagic! (Oct 11, 2004 03:04PM)
Would you use cards for a stage opener?

I'm always nervous about the visibility of a lot of mentalism effects that use props, especially if no-one is on stage to verify things.( Of course the tossed-out-deck would not have this problem.)
Message: Posted by: Mark Timon (Oct 11, 2004 03:11PM)
You can open with equivoque/ You have six different color glasses on the table (one of glasses filled with water and the others with confetti or just empty).

Tell someone to select three of them. If the one with water is selected, just dismiss the other three and follow as usually till the one with the water is the last on the table.

You can come up with funny lines or jokes about how thirsty you were or whatever. Use your imagination!

Regards.
Message: Posted by: Dr_Stephen_Midnight (Oct 11, 2004 04:54PM)
For stage: David Hoy's "Improving on Dr. Rhine."

Steve
Message: Posted by: Juan D (Oct 11, 2004 05:09PM)
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On 2004-10-11 15:51, Kennedy wrote:
I open with a line similar to "you've seen magicians with their decks of cards right? Well I'm a magician, but I do things a little differently. I want you to think of a card, any card in the deck at all, anyone thinking of the Queen of hearts? How about the ace of spades? Okay, now don't let me influence you this time, name card out loud. Really? that's weird, because I took one card from this deck here and turned it the wrong way round, take a look, its the very same...three of clubs!" I then proceed to say that I don't do anything else with cards and move on.

Hope this helpful to someone.

Kind thoughts,
Kennedy
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Kennedy, that's my exact handling of the Invisible Deck using Anneman's Mentalist Vs. Magician plot! I use that as my opener.

:bigsmile: :bigsmile: :bigsmile:
Message: Posted by: Vraagaard (Oct 12, 2004 03:40AM)
[quote]
On 2004-10-11 17:54, Dr_Stephen_Midnight wrote:
For stage: David Hoy's "Improving on Dr. Rhine."

Steve
[/quote]

Hi Steve,

Is the source Dr. Faust, Bold and Subtle Miracles, or where can I find it?

Kennedy and Juan D. ID is a fabulous opener. I agree to that. However, I use it as a closer in the "Standing Ovation" version inspired by Bill Malone. I know that's more like magic than mental magic, but it gives a great finish and applause.

I'll consider it to be my opener instead in the more direct version that you mentioned.
Message: Posted by: Ken Dyne (Oct 12, 2004 08:48AM)
Vraagaard,

"Dr Rhine Improved" can be found in bold and subtle miracles of Dr Faust. Max Maven has a very similar effect on his Videomind series, the stage volume I think. It is third of the series.

Kind thoughts,
Kennedy
Message: Posted by: Max Maven (Oct 12, 2004 02:28PM)
[quote]
On 2004-10-12 09:48, Kennedy wrote:
Vraagaard, "Dr Rhine Improved" can be found in bold and subtle miracles of Dr Faust. Max Maven has a very similar effect on his Videomind series the stage volume I think it is 3rd of the series)
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The routine is called "Khan Artist" and, as indicated by that title (and stated on the video), it is based on Corinda's "Khan Slate Test," which was the source that inspired Dave Hoy's version and others that followed.
Message: Posted by: Vraagaard (Oct 12, 2004 02:58PM)
Thanks, Max Maven and Kennedy,

I've got the Khan Artist, and I like it a lot. I have used it as an opener to another ESP effect, but haven't really considered it an opener of the full act. However, I think I will review all my effects in another light - being what if this was an opener. I like my 30 minutes performance to be like

1. Intro - wow effect and reasonably fast involving the audience.

2. A bit slower, more explanatory, involving 4-5 participants.

3. Building up a little faster (1-2 participants).

4. PEAK effect, absolute astonishments (one or more).

5. Low key amazement, slower (1-2 participants).

6. Building up (one or more).

7. Explosion.

All effects should create astonishment, but run in different tempo.

Once again, thanks for the advice. I hope it's useful to others than me.
Message: Posted by: Blackwood (Oct 12, 2004 04:21PM)
(By the way, aren't you guys impressed that Max Maven has appeared on the Café? Now we have all the greats in the art-- and we can actually converse with them! Cool.)

Vraagaard,

I like Banchek's ESP Card Opener on Vol. 1 of his PSI DVDs. I assume he opens with it too, hence the name. It's quick, it establishes a nice Rhine-cards, not magician's cards, feel. And it stuns 'em.
Message: Posted by: Dr_Stephen_Midnight (Oct 12, 2004 06:20PM)
Yes, I am VERY impressed to see Max Maven adding his commentary.

Max, allow me to extend a hearty welcome.

Steve
Message: Posted by: Blackwood (Oct 12, 2004 07:17PM)
Well, I've just done a search and found that Mr. Maven has been visiting here since 2002. He's just very selective about making comments. (Only 11 posts!) Probably a good thing for someone with as high a profile in the business as Phil Goldstein/Max Maven.

I'm just glad to know he's looking in from time to time, kind of diety-like.
Message: Posted by: DangerMouse (Oct 12, 2004 07:49PM)
Yeah Max Maven!!


Curt
Message: Posted by: Roth (Oct 12, 2004 10:57PM)
Max Maven looking forward to your lecture in Studio City next month.
:bat:
Message: Posted by: Vraagaard (Oct 31, 2004 04:45AM)
Hi guy's thanks for the input. Just to let you know, I opened the small 30 minutes act with Banacheks "ESP card opener" to establish a setting of "experiments with information, thoughts and choices" and it got the interest of the audience, and I felt they were all focused in on the next effect I performed (Bank Night).

So going into a 25 person crowd who doesn't know that there will be a performance at all (it was a surprise), I must say that the "ESP card opener" build the necesarry attention for me to go on with everybodys attention.

I only had 30 minutes so the "full" act was

1) ESP card Opener
2) Bank Night
3)Imaginary casino trip - one ahead effect with 1) a lucky coin 2) a big city and 3) choice of playing roulette, dice, black jack and poker
4) Two cards to pocket - Osterlind effect, performed as mind reading
5) Name/Place routine, Bob Cassidy


And that unfortunately was all I could squeeze in on 30 minutes.

I learned a lot from this, and basically I need to look up and out more to approach the full audience trying to establish a contact with "everybody". I think you know what I mean. And then I need to work on the applause "positions" since the atmosphere in the room is better after a big round of applause. And I got some valuable lessons on the patter for some of the effects. All in all a good experience.

Thanks for your advice
Message: Posted by: Hypnotic Winter (Oct 31, 2004 06:30AM)
Nothing against cards at all as I used them in my second reutene and I know far too many card effects for my own good but I just wouldn't use them for an opener, you've no Idea how many time's in the past I had people groan when a deck is produced in the first place and then I have to stop to explain how I'm only useing them as a pack of 52 random objects and still the mood doesn't seem quite right. so in the second phase they seem to be more open to the cards.

This is just my observations, mabe people in other contries have different experiences. It was funny when I read the title of DB's Devils picture book, my grandmother has said all her life that the Debil is in the cards :), it's the older generations way of thinkning around here.

H.W
Message: Posted by: Winnes (Oct 31, 2004 07:23AM)
How long has Adam Ant been here?
Message: Posted by: Vraagaard (Oct 31, 2004 07:53AM)
Hi Hypnotic Winter,

Just to clarify. The ESP card Opener has actually nothing to do with cards as such. It's basically just the 5 ESP symbols drawn on the back of 5 of your business cards. The spec will choose the one card that you predicted. I don't think anybody will think "Cards" in that effect.
Message: Posted by: scott b. (Oct 31, 2004 09:18AM)
Awhile back I took a few different ideas and mixed em' up to come up with a Bank Night meets Dead Or Alive (It plays like a game of somewhats). So far it seems to work good for me.
Message: Posted by: Ken Dyne (Nov 2, 2004 05:28AM)
HW, I love using cards as an opener for several reasons. Firstly my scripting tells the spectators that I am not going to use them in a conventional way. it alson seperates me from magicians. in my opinion it is not the mediom of the effect (cards, billets nw) it is the effect it creates which must be considered.

I open with invisible deck close up, and tossed deck on stage/cabaret, I then move into Gauchi's eye to eye from there.

The way it works in my head is I give them somethign which could not really be psychological and then say, "its simply aplied pscyhology" and demonstrate with something wich either is, or could eaily be.

Kind thoughts,
Kennedy
Message: Posted by: DangerMouse (Nov 2, 2004 05:37AM)
Yes Craig!!!
It like the new Looch!!

Curt.
Message: Posted by: Hypnotic Winter (Nov 2, 2004 11:48AM)
I hope no one gets me wrong, I've nothing against cards at all and when I was speaking I was just speaking in general. I use cards for my second and to tell the truth, like most of us here I could do a whole show with cards.
For me where I'm from it just seems easier to use them when every one has settled in after the first effect.
I don't use Esp card for a very good reason, I don't have any, I must get some.

H.W
Message: Posted by: Ken Dyne (Nov 2, 2004 04:46PM)
I like esp cards for close up as they bring integrity to your work in my opinion. There are some really good routines in the Beyond ESP set from magicbox.uk.com which will be available again soon I hope as they appear to be out of stock.

Kind thoughts,
Kennedy