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Topic: Newbie's Disease
Message: Posted by: 30210162 (Nov 27, 2004 06:40AM)
I have six card tricks down my belt, and I don't even own a 'proper' deck (e.g. Bee, Tally Ho, Bike).

I wear a loop around my wrist everywhere I go.

I've got two DVD's from Penguin.

But you know what? I want more. Yesterday, I bought Outsmokin (by Ron Jaxon).

I had buyer's remorse.

Don't get me wrong. The trick is great. But I think I'm starting to show signs of a compulsive magic buyer.

Please tell me there is some remedy for this. My friend, who re-introduced me to magic, is even worst.

For now, I will not buy anymore tricks/gimmicks. I will save up for a couple of Bikes, Tally Ho's etc. No more gimmicks (at least until I get a REAL job).

I hope I last. I think I better cut off my credit card.

Please advise.
Message: Posted by: Jaz (Nov 27, 2004 08:00AM)
Ah yes! The temptation to buy.
What type of magic do you want to focus on?
From what you've stated I'll guess impromptu and closeup. If it's parlor, stage, bizarre magic, etc. Focus on related books and effects.

I suggest you read the topic:
-New to magic? Magic books & Videos for beginners.-
and the other posts there. The classic books mentioned are a great value and will give you more information than videos.

For now, practice with the stuff you have.
There are lots of effects than only require common items and some sleight of hand. Some other tricks can be made with a few dollars.
Message: Posted by: The Magician (Nov 27, 2004 08:24AM)
Get yourself a couple of books
Message: Posted by: Peter Marucci (Nov 27, 2004 09:30AM)
302 (etc.) writes: "For now, I will not buy anymore tricks/gimmicks. I will save up for a couple of Bikes, Tally Ho's etc. No more gimmicks (at least until I get a REAL job)."

Or until something fascinating catches your attention!

I've been in the business for more than half a century and, just the other night, picked up a couple more things at a club dealer demo.

It's a chronic disease -- but don't worry: It isn't fatal! <G>
Message: Posted by: rannie (Nov 27, 2004 09:49AM)
I'm still alive and so are my friends in magic, I totally agree with you Peter. My good fried the Great Zialci is 86 , still has the diseace and still healthy as a cow.

Peace'

Rannie
Message: Posted by: JSBLOOM (Nov 27, 2004 02:03PM)
There is no remedy because we are always looking for something better.
As you know, the grass isn't always greener on the other side.
Sometimes the add desriptions purposefully omit important things and we buy because the effect sounds better than it really is.
For example, in one trick it states they think of any card...yeah sure only after they have thought of a number and dealt to it.
If you buy a trick and do not like it, sell it on Ebay.
Just remember, all you probably need to know is 6 to 10 great tricks that you can make flow together for an act. The smaller the amount of deck switches the better :)
Many believe books are the way to go. Other believe video. You can easilty spend 20$ on one gaffed deck or buy 5 to 10 books/pamphlets.
In the end, the choice is yours.
Magic regards,
Jeff
Message: Posted by: Reis O'Brien (Nov 27, 2004 03:24PM)
I think many of us start out with the predisposition for this disease. If it wasn't magic, it would be something else; comic books, model trains, etc. But I think magic has a little extra ingredient that makes it even more addictive. We're not just collection tricks, we're collecting "secrets".

Soemtimes, when the secret isn't so hot, our high crashes.

I've got a wooden chest full of stuff I'll never use or shouldn't have bought in the first place. But we hear these glowing descriptions about how amazing this little thing is and the next thing we know we're thinking, "Well... $25.95 ain't so bad."

So, I had to learn that blowing 25 clams on some poorly made gimmick will never compare to the 8 bucks I spent on Royal Road. Then I have many rainy weekends to look forward to with a book like this and a simple deck of cards.

But this is a lesson we must all learn for ourselves.
Message: Posted by: Mr Pies (Nov 27, 2004 03:36PM)
Constantly being tempted to buy the newest product / book or DVD is hard enough to resist for all of us but sooner or later you will have to actually learn this stuff. Magic shelves (mine included) are creaking under the weight of 'must buys' and not one of my books has been thoroughly read cover to cover, lots of skimming and cherry picking but not properly read and appreciated. Buy, buy, buy by all means but learn and more importantly perform these things before falling for the next 'killer' routine.
Message: Posted by: Patrick Differ (Nov 27, 2004 08:31PM)
Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.
Surrender. While you still have a chance.

Buy books. Buy books. Buy books. And study them. Learn each piece to perfection, then go on to something else. Money and time well spent.

And it's not really a disease...unless...you start breaking out in purple and green spots...
Message: Posted by: Regan (Nov 27, 2004 09:01PM)
[quote]
On 2004-11-27 10:30, Peter Marucci wrote:

It's a chronic disease -- but don't worry: It isn't fatal! <G>


[/quote]


I don't know Peter....my wife has nearly killed me several times over my magical purchases....uh, I mean investments.

:lol:

Regan
Message: Posted by: ShidennOdmistL (Nov 27, 2004 10:29PM)
[quote]
On 2004-11-27 22:01, Mister Mystery wrote:

I don't know Peter....my wife has nearly killed me several times over my magical purchases....uh, I mean investments.

:lol:

Regan
[/quote]

Emphasize on investments. I don't tell anyone of my "investments."

Sol
Message: Posted by: Clifford the Red (Nov 28, 2004 03:06AM)
I think much of this comes when you are uncertain of what kind of magic you want to perform. Perhaps a better investment would be to discover who you are and what you envision for your magic. Once you know what you really want your art to be, you can be much more discriminating.

Not that it's any cheaper! But at least you feel on target instead of torn between a million things.
Message: Posted by: Edmund_Fitzgerald (Nov 28, 2004 11:10AM)
Books are the best value and the best way to gain skills. Sure, it takes a lot longer than the latest hot gimmick, but magic takes a lot of effort and practice.
Message: Posted by: k (Nov 28, 2004 02:59PM)
>BOOKS !!!

Gets you hundreds of tricks at hands
plus they smell great and you can take them to the king's corner!!!
Message: Posted by: Tiki (Nov 28, 2004 03:41PM)
I am in a bit of a glass house, but can still offer you this slightly paraphrased advice: It is better to do a few tricks really well than many of them poorly.

Cheers,

Tiki
Message: Posted by: Katmando (Nov 30, 2004 07:37PM)
Oh yes the magic bug. I know the feeling I have more videos and books to keep me busy for months non-stop.

I have keep telling myself to slow down a just master a few. Atleast at first :)


Later <><
Message: Posted by: HypnoticQueen (Dec 1, 2004 04:45PM)
Better get yourself couple of books.Some good ones would be
Card College Series
Royal Road To card Magic
Message: Posted by: sugam (Dec 1, 2004 05:28PM)
Wow, I must confess I have self-diagnosed myself with this bug as well.

The usual big purchases are books. I have convinced myself that the Card College series and AoA are a good purchase. As for media, those Dai Vernon videos are so tempting, but so much $$$ if you add things up. That's why I only purchased 1-4... for now... always wanted to see more of Lennart Green too. I'm not a fan of packets unless it's amaaaaazing... only because I'm cheap and I always want the best "bang for the buck". It'll take forever to go through these books anyhow.
Message: Posted by: Lambertmoon (Dec 1, 2004 05:53PM)
I'm also guilty. I forget that I'm just buying the book....not the time needed to read it. I've stopped buying until I can catch up learn and absorb what I have.
When you factor in the time you spend reading books, practicing sleights and setting up effects, it becomes obsessive.
It has gotten to the point where my wife will see me gluing cotten balls to a peanut ( I don't have a trick using that. Just an example ) and think nothing of it.
I get a huge high freaking people out with tricks...or maybe it's the glue.
Message: Posted by: Lee Darrow (Dec 2, 2004 02:45AM)
So many new people to magic are seeking the "one trick that will make me a pro."

Sorry, but there is no such thing. There is, however, something that will help you become a pro and that something is knowledge. Knowledge is found in books, videos, individual tricks, at lectures and can be learned at magic clubs (to an extent).

Learn the basics - cups and balls, basic card handling, stage movement, elocution, enunciation, pronunciation and business acumen. Learn the basics of how illusions work, the fundamental mechanics of the classic tricks (cap and pence, endless chain, Triumph, Spellbound, coins across, swami gimmick, black art, misdirection and the like).

One learns those from books, videos, lectures and other magicians.

Go see every magician you can, see what works then, change it to fit your personality. That's the toughest part.

So, sure! Buy stuff. But books are your best bet. More tricks and ideas per pound than any single trick. Get the basics - Tarbell, Giobbi, Rice, Thompson (My Best is a classic!) and work from there. Just those books contain a lifetime of learning for any magician.

Hope this helps!

Lee Darrow, C.H.
Message: Posted by: Paul (Dec 2, 2004 08:39AM)
I agree with Lee.

And Lambertmoon has the right idea. Don't buy any more books until you have read and learned from what you already have.

There will always be tricks and books you would like, but there will always be miracles in and amongst the books you already have that you skipped over in the rush to the next book or in the tricks you never spent enough time on.

Paul.
Message: Posted by: saxmangeoff (Dec 2, 2004 10:00AM)
[quote]
On 2004-11-28 04:06, Clifford the Red wrote:
I think much of this comes when you are uncertain of what kind of magic you want to perform. Perhaps a better investment would be to discover who you are and what you envision for your magic.
[/quote]

I think this may be the key. Lots of magic looks cool. Presumably we're all magic enthusaists here, so we can equally enjoy a comedy magic performance and a hardcore mentalist act. But it's highly unlikely that any of us could pull off both.

As for how to figure out what works for each of us, I suspect there's no substitute for "just doing it." Sort of like learning the classic force. You've just got to do it a few times, and you figure out what works.

The advantage of things like Tarbell, Mark Wilson's course, or Hay's Amateur Magician's Handbook is that they give you a lot of material to try, for a fairly modest cost.

Geoff
Message: Posted by: Lambertmoon (Dec 2, 2004 10:55AM)
[quote]
On 2004-12-02 03:45, Lee Darrow wrote:
So many new people to magic are seeking the "one trick that will make me a pro."

I'm sorry, but I disagree. There are a good number of Newbies interested in reading. There are many who understand the importance of the history along with learning about the originators of the tricks and illusions.
I do believe a lot of people look for the "easy way out" by relying on gimmicks.

I have no intention of wanting to be a paid preformer. But having said that, I do respect the art and the artists.
Message: Posted by: Lee Darrow (Dec 2, 2004 05:01PM)
Lambertoon, my comment was not meant as an attack on anyone and, I certainly did not mean to imply that you were one of those people. If it came across that way, I apologize.

I have either worked in or actually run magic shops for a good many of the last 30 years or so and I used to see this attitude every day - "Mom, can I get THAT? It'll make me a REAL magician!" it happened so many times that, at one shop, we had a running bet with each other about who could predict who would say that phrase (or a variation of it) next.

I am delighted to hear that you are focused on reading and learningand my suggestions on material come from both the heart and my experiences as a performer and as a magic shop guy. I hope the titles I suggested will be of help!

Sorry for the miscommunication on my part.

Hope this helps clear it up!

Lee Darrow, C.H.
Message: Posted by: Lambertmoon (Dec 2, 2004 05:31PM)
No apology needed, Lee. In fact if I came off as too defensive, I apologize. I understand completely what you were trying to convey. That's why I had mentioned a lot of beginners relying solely on gimmicks.
I have a deep admiration and appreciation for the skill and dedication needed to call oneself a magician. The learning process never ends.
Thanks for the recommendations.
Message: Posted by: JediMindTrick (Dec 8, 2004 12:57AM)
My newbie's disease affected my greatly as it was widespread and unfocused. I bought everything I thought was interesting. Didn't know where to begin, started with basic card and coin bibles that everybody speaks so highly of; manipulation videos a la McBride; stage effects with all things vanishing and many a wonderful floating object; things to be hidden under cups and in boxes; fire to be produced and balls to be replicated.

So much, in such a short span. It was quite the extreme overload, and I don't recommend anybody going that route unless they had a large pad of cash under their pillow and time to waste well. It was like broad brainstorming to find out what I liked.

In the end, I settled for being "a close up kinda guy" ;)
Message: Posted by: jdknight (Dec 8, 2004 12:35PM)
Books and Videos/DVDs are the best. But... A few good props are well worth the money. Learning the difference between purchasing the latest gimmick and purchasing a new effect using a prop that can be re-utilized for many effects is the hard part. I now try to look for this "portability" of any new effects/props I purchase.