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Topic: Notebook/Laptop computers
Message: Posted by: Marshall Thornside (Dec 1, 2004 08:11AM)
So I was curious how many of you have
a Notebook/Laptop computer.

I have a Toshiba Satellite 4005CDS that
I bought 6+ years ago. Never had an issue
with it.

I just bought a new one. Itís an Averatec
6200 series. 2400 AMD 64 processor, 60 GHD,
DVD +/- RW/CDRW optical drive, wifi, 15.4"
widescreen, PowerNow technology.

I wanted a wide screen for working on mastering
and graphic design. I wanted an integrated
modem because I only have dial-up available
here, and integrated is better than a PCMCIA
card (Toshiba has that). I was caring so much
for the DVDRW, but it came with it. I also
wanted a larger than 40 GHD.

So far itís beautiful! I can't believe how light
and thin it is. Well worth my money. I've saving
hard for it for 3 years.

Now I want mini-multi tracker. A little upgrade
for my project studio.

Always a little toy I want.
Message: Posted by: Andini (Dec 1, 2004 08:31PM)
I've got a Dell Lattitude 366 - I got a great price on it and it gets the job done. The graphics are awful, so I've got to use the desktop for design, but I have some nifty speakers for the notebook. I listen to radio shows through it! :) It's main use if checking email and surfing the net.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Rice (Dec 1, 2004 08:45PM)
I have a Panasonic Toughbook 18. Great laptop, virtually indestructible.
Message: Posted by: Partizan (Dec 1, 2004 11:09PM)
I had a laptop. A Dell. We had a falling out!
Now I don't have a laptop! I have a pile of plastic and metal.
Message: Posted by: tuffnavyrn (Dec 3, 2004 05:47AM)
I recently bought this Dell Inspiron 5150 and it snmokes....not literally but it's very fast and has more storage than I'll ever use in this lifetime.
Message: Posted by: irossall (Dec 3, 2004 06:00AM)
I can't afford a Laptop at the moment and I want one soooooooooo badly.
I envy everyone who has one (and I am not prone to envy).
Like Andy (Hi Andy, long time no chat) I want one to listen to Radio shows and to do my photo editing and burning my mp3 files onto.
I see more and more passengers on airlines using their laptops to watch DVD's and listening to music (much larger screen than those portable DVD players).
Some day my ship will come in and I will be among the happy laptopper's. Until then I am ENVIOUS of all of you.
Iven :patty:
Message: Posted by: nums (Dec 6, 2004 10:12PM)
All I use is a Dell laptop (Inspiron 1100) Got rid of my lunky desktop, went wireless with internet and printer. I have the same memory and processor speed as my desktop with out the bulk, and much to my wife's dismay, I have more room on my desk for more magic..

Message: Posted by: Wards Back (Dec 6, 2004 10:23PM)
Just got a new HP Pavilion ZD7260US.

17" widescreen (1660x1200) display, 3.2 MHz Pentium 4, CD & DVD burner.

Great for playing magic DVD's while keeping prying eyes away.
Message: Posted by: Wolfgang (Dec 6, 2004 11:36PM)
Two iBooks. I've been a MacHead since 1984.
Message: Posted by: Partizan (Dec 7, 2004 03:37AM)
I am going to hang on and get a PcTablet. about 1-2 years wait!
Take it to a meeting and colleagues will want to borrow it to doodle. Take it out in public and people will try not to stare, but they will. Microsoft's new tablet PC has the "wow" factor going for it.

I tried out Fujitsu's Stylistic, a flashy thin, silver and black pad about 8-by-10 inches big, complete with keyboard and docking station. It looks like a designer Etch A Sketch -- except you write on it with a stylus -- and people found it to be irresistibly stylish

[b]Or from Sony...[/b]
Sony VAIO U-Series Notebook Combines Power of Full-size PC with Portability of PDA

SAN DIEGO, Nov. 9, 2004 _ At a shade over 1 pound, Sony's new VAIOģ U Ultra Portable PC, announced today, has the heart of a PC but the soul of an entertainer.

Doubling as a portable media player, this "pocketable" PC allows you to download entertainment content and enjoy it virtually anywhere you go. Integrated 802.11 b/g wireless LAN connects you to thousands of hotspots across the country and helps you stay in touch with the Internet, email and your favorite digital content download services.

Multiple input modes contribute to the PC's extreme versatility. Using the stylus and virtual keyboard on the unit's touch panel screen, you can compose email messages or navigate files even while standing up. Handwriting recognition software simplifies note-taking or annotating documents. Users can also quickly launch programs or execute common commands with thumb-controlled action buttons, or draft longer text files with the included foldout keyboard.
Message: Posted by: Ellen Kotzin (Dec 7, 2004 09:45AM)
I would love an i-book and also movie software to go with it!

Message: Posted by: Partizan (Dec 7, 2004 11:11AM)
Is the I-book an apple thing?
I don't like apple at all. Very poor company philosophy, very good marketing gurus!
Message: Posted by: Chessmann (Dec 7, 2004 09:27PM)
I've always heard that Apple laptops were very good. Oh, well.

This summer, I bought a Toshiba, before I knew much about laptops. By providence or coincidence, it came with Windows XP Professional (as opposed to XP Home). Saved me some bucks when I learned I needed Office Professional 2003, as I did not need to upgrade the OS!
Message: Posted by: Wolfgang (Dec 8, 2004 03:09PM)
On 2004-12-07 22:27, Chessmann wrote:
I've always heard that Apple laptops were very good. Oh, well.

They are very good. Ask anyone who owns one.
Message: Posted by: Partizan (Dec 9, 2004 08:19AM)
[b]They are very good. Ask anyone who owns one. [/b]

You must mean. Ask anyone who was conned by slick marketing!
All Apple does is showcase the latest in superficial design. The actual guts and structure of the soft/hardware is very poor in comparison to the exterior design of their products.
The only time I advise ppl to go the apple route is when they only require a computer. When they don't need to aquire additional soft/hardware and are just going to use the computer for a simple set of tasks and don't want to get involved with computers too much.
The apple range are for ppl who don't want to fiddle too much and want a stable but limited base to work from.
This is how I differentiate the base units.
PC - ultimate flexibility for little cost. You can take a PC and make it do most anything for little money, many users and community support.
Apple - Closed system both hard/software, can only be fixed by Authorized apple dudes. inflexible for multitudes of applications, expensive to focus the unit to any application. poor support in the community.

Example: I automated 60% of a house with a PC and basic software and easy to obtain hardware. The same project with a Apple based system would have been obscene in cost.
PC cost = £5k
Apple = £13K

Apples secret motto - Its all in pretty icons and slick plastic.
Message: Posted by: DVA (Dec 9, 2004 10:36AM)
Partizan, joking right?

Poor support structure? The people who are die hard Mac fans haven't been "conned" as you put it. If a product is bad, people will stop buying it even with slick marketing. You can always sell poor products with good marketing but you can't win lifelong customers without a good product and great customer service.

Many people in technology industries like them because they are much more stable for graphics and video editing.

The faults you mention are true as far as hardware and software. That is also the reason why PC's can have so many problems. Often it is a 3rd party driver that can cause problems in a PC. If you buy directly from an electronics store (ie Best Buy) they come bundled with loads of junk software that slow up the system. That being said, here in the states, when you go to buy a program most times it is compatible for PC and Mac.

My opinion is that it is better to have specific hardware/software options available from one company that are guaranteed to work right out of the box than a multitude of options. Here is a little example in story form-

[quote]"The box said "Plug and Play" [i](MAC invented this concept BTW)[/i] but when I plugged in my HP DVD burner into my DELL desktop my Lexmark printer/scanner/copier/fax stopped working. I updated its driver then my Intel camera had a conflict with the updated drivers and security pack. Nothing works so I have to pay a guy to come out and fix it.[/quote]

Apple as a company are brilliant marketers but without a good product they would never have survived this long.
Message: Posted by: irossall (Dec 9, 2004 12:14PM)
Commodore's Amiga system was the BEST computer on the market at the time but due to the attitude that commodore took (we are the best so we won't waste time trying to push it) it got very little support and now is based in Germany and as far as I know is doing ok.
Philips Corporation (formerly Advanced Technology Laboratories) Ultrasound division still uses the Amiga chipset in their high end Ultrasound cart systems for the 3D graphic's.
As most of us know, Beta was superior to VHS but the public is more concerned with flashy advertising and slick salespeople so the better system lost out to the lesser one.
Bottom line, the best is not always the most popular and when it comes to push and shove, popular will always win out.
Iven :patty:

P.S. I do believe that the Apple system is more stable than Bill Gates Windows and I know that Linux is more stable than windows. And Bill Gates, please fix your memory leaks, OK?
Message: Posted by: Wolfgang (Dec 9, 2004 02:06PM)
As I said before about Macs, ask someone who owns one, not someone who enjoys bashing Apple.

For some reason, the topic of Mac v.s PC gets many PC users so emotionally charged that they can't see the obvious fact that Apple does indeed make good products. And often their opinions are based on what they read in PC trade pubs, not from actually using one.

I've worked with PCs as well as Macs, but I prefer the later. It's a personal preference, but that doesn't mean I think PCs are junk.

One telling thing I do know is that my brother who is a product-development manager for Hewlett-Packard bought a Mac for home use, despite the fact he can get PCs virtually free.

(You're right, Iven, the Amiga system was brilliant in its day. Absolute best for multimedia.)
Message: Posted by: Ziggy (Dec 9, 2004 10:04PM)
I have a Dell Latitude and I am eying a Powerbook, but I am waiting for the G5 to get in them
Message: Posted by: GypsyPirate (Dec 9, 2004 11:23PM)
Got mine for college... scholarships are nice... :D


Hewlett-Packard Pavilion zd7000 [widescreen]

3.40 gigahertz Intel Pentium 4

1.0 gigabyte RAM

260.05 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity [60 gigabyte internal 7200 RPM hard drive, external 200 gigabyte 7200 RPM USB hard drvie]

HL-DT-ST DVD+RW GCA-4040N [CD-ROM drive]

1024 Megabytes Installed Memory

NVIDIA GeForce FX Go5700 [Display adapter]

Desktop docking station with wireless mouse and keybord

Message: Posted by: Partizan (Dec 10, 2004 12:14AM)
The first Apple I used (apart from the II series) was the apple lisa (forerunner of mac) and then spent a lot of time selling pc/macs to the business sector. It is from these times that I grew to dislike the company.
Back in those days you had to rely on apple for everything, and I mean everything. Even the opsystem was closed to users.
At the time the mac was still monochrome where as the PC had 16 colours. The mac had a gui and the PC had dos.
Music was done on ataris and graphics on the amiga. PC/Mac were only for business.
By the time the amiga had reached the end of its life the PC was ready to move to as the gui and other software had caught up. It is the case that many long time computer users (zx80/81, spectrum, vic20, c64, bbc, oric, appleII and so on) have moved to PC platforms and not apple.
Lets use a metaphor.
We buy a toolkit for £1000
If the toolkit were PC brand we could use it on anything. the tools would be many and varied although quality may suffer on some items. The kit would be up to most tasks we ask of it.
If the toolkit were Apple brand we would only be able to use it with apple products. we would have a few specific tools of high quality and would get a lot of star screwdrivers that we never use but look good. The best bit of the kit would be the toolbag as it looks sooooh coool!
I have about 8 handheld devices that interface with my PC. Only 2 of them can be hooked to a mac!
I have heard many driver installation tales on the PC. This is down to poor 3rd party coding or poor user understanding of computers.
I have had minimal driver issues and also help many ppl with driver problems (have a PC sitting here now for some tlc) as the people just don't understand the computer they are using.
The mac is better for this type of person. a person with little or no computer knowledge or a failure to understand computers. The only problem here is that the people wont learn from the enviroment created by apple. they will be surrounded by blissful ignorance of the tool they are using. This is never a good thing.

You might ask yourself. What has my computer taught me?
I learnt more about hardware and software and how it all works from using zx81/vic20 computers. I taught myself assembly languge on the vic20 while my schoolmates were learning basic on the schools z80.
On the Amiga500 I first hooked my comp to the phoneline (compuserve I think) and had many a good online experience and learnt many things.
On the PC I have continued to learn new things about computing all of the time.
I feel that if I would have gone with Apple I would have lost out on a large part of my self education. I would be an expert at operating applications but little else!