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Topic: Mark Wilson's Rigid Rope
Message: Posted by: cheaptrick (Sep 12, 2002 08:43AM)
I've tried to construct Wilson's Rigid Rope (from "Cyclopedia of Magic", and his "Magic Course").


Ran into a problem, tho.

The gimmick always ends up penetrating the
shell. (hope I haven't revealed too much)

Anybody know where I can get some rope that
has a CLOSELY-woven outer casing?

I've thought about parachute cord as an option, but the stuffs too thin to be believable.

ANY IDEAS?? :question: :question: :question:
Message: Posted by: Peter Marucci (Sep 12, 2002 04:03PM)
Magician's rope SHOULD work, even without coring it.
Maybe you are trying to put the gimmick in too quickly and it's puncturing the casing?
Maybe?
Message: Posted by: cheaptrick (Sep 12, 2002 04:37PM)
hi Peter

Actually in the Wilson version, the rope has to be cored, and the gimmick is permanently installed.

I tried melting the ends of the gimmick (puts
a round ball of "stuff", but it still came through.

I'll bet if I epoxied a larger thing (say, a bead about the inside diameter of the cored rope), it might work.

Other than that, I'll have to find "tougher" rope or forget about the project.

Thanks for the reply.


:magicrabbit:
Message: Posted by: Harry Murphy (Sep 12, 2002 06:54PM)
Cheaptrick, It could be that the gimmick that you are using is too small a diameter. I use a brand that is about 1/8inch diameter and it does not poke through the weaving of the rope.

By the way if you know the dancing cane look at illustration three (page 255) and imagine the gimmick for the dancing cane placed just about half way up from the lower hand. The rope can be manipulated a la’ the cane and viola’ you have the Indian Rope trick in miniature.

Hope this helps!
Message: Posted by: Peter Marucci (Sep 12, 2002 11:05PM)
cheaptrick,
Are you using magician's rope?
I use it for my version of the Square Knot, which requires coat-hanger wire run through part of the length.
And I've never had a problem with it.
Mumblepeas may be onto something; a larger diameter of solder might be the answer.
Message: Posted by: cheaptrick (Sep 13, 2002 01:44PM)
I use a rope that I bought from a dealer, and the solder was 1/8 (actually silver solder). I'm beginning to suspect that the rope this dealer sold me, while good for certain uses (easily cored, and soft, is not especially suitable for this particular effect. I may try sashcord (the kind of rope that is used in old-fashioned windows).

The drawback is that this stuff is relatively expensive. SHOULD DO THE TRICK, though.

THANX!!

:magicrabbit:

Here's a followup,

I tried REAL sashcord. I found it in a True Value Hardware store.

The problem with this stuff is that AFTER you core it, there isn't room for the solder to slide.

It's tough to core. It took a good 15 minutes to core 6 feet.

THIS STUFF IS GREAT FOR MOST ROPE TRICKS, just not right for this effect. It is fairly soft and pliable (when cored), HAS GREAT HANDLING CHARACTERISTICS, and LOOKS better than the rather aneamic-looking rope I've bought from the dealer.

Cost is comparable. About $7 something for 50 feet.

If I want to add the Wilson effect to my act, I'll just have to keep experimenting with rope.

My suspicion is that they just don't make closeline like they used to when Mark first wrote his book.

It's a pretty decent effect. I remember many years ago watching someone perform it on television.

It was probably Wilson, himself, as he used to do a regular TV show.

Well, thanks for the help.

I'm still looking for the right rope.

:magicrabbit:
Message: Posted by: Dano (Sep 26, 2002 12:10PM)
Yep, I had the same problem, the weave on the pre-cored rope was just too loose. :confused:
Message: Posted by: Geoff Ray (Mar 1, 2003 01:22PM)
I put the solder in without coring the rope. I don't have to hold it in place and the trick can still be performed just as well
Message: Posted by: trainerjep (May 16, 2003 07:28AM)
I dipped mine in glue. It's always stiff :rotf:
Message: Posted by: ClodAppleleft (May 16, 2003 07:38AM)
Another thing to do is try tying off the ends with white thread.
Message: Posted by: leonard (May 16, 2003 10:27PM)
cheaptrick,
I just read through this trick in the past week. I will be trying it shortly and will post any success / failure.
Message: Posted by: WVMAGIC (May 20, 2003 12:44PM)
I tried the Wilson method and couldn't get it to work for me either. I bought a commercial stiff rope for around $15. The rope does everything the Wilson technique does more cleanly and consistently. I won't look back.
Message: Posted by: Dan Monroe (Dec 1, 2003 10:28AM)
The problem I have is the gimmick won't slide from end to end. Gets hung up in the rope. :cry:
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Dec 1, 2003 11:48AM)
http://www.stevensmagic.com has a killer indian hindu rope and a routine I use kills... not very expensive either.
Message: Posted by: Magicduck (Dec 2, 2003 10:38PM)
Could you get a small bead and attach that to the end of the solder, both ends if need be. Solder is soft, so you could certainly file it down just right to fit into the beads hole, then a drop of super glue should hold it quite well. Might work. I monkeyed with this years ago but was not that taken with it even though it did work as I recall.
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Message: Posted by: magictim (Dec 24, 2003 05:30PM)
I used 1/8 '' nylon rope I cored. I melted the ends when I put it in. I haven't ever had a problem and I have performing it in my shows for about 3 years now.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 25, 2003 02:41AM)
It's been years since I constructed this effect, but as I recall, different brands of solder gave me different results. Just a tip.
Message: Posted by: Dave V (Jan 21, 2004 09:13PM)
Any good stained glass store will have several types and diameters of solder to choose from. 60/40 and 50/50 are the most popular two alloys. Each has a different melting point for different kinds of glass work, and the alloys are definitely different in stiffness as well. You might find one more suitable for this effect.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jan 22, 2004 12:39PM)
Cheaptrick,

You are using the wrong rope. The rope on the market today is not suitable for this trick. When the book was written, a common magician's rope was on the market that was made of all cotton, and very tightly woven outer tube. The core was 3 strings of cotton string. The core was easily removed.

The company was in Tenn. and as is common now a days has been purchased several times. So the company has been lost to many magic dealers because they purchase such a large amount, it takes years to sell. Then when they try to reorder, they cannot find the company.

I still have some of this rope and will send it some scraps to you for postage. I have PM you.

Bill
Message: Posted by: Dave V (Jan 22, 2004 03:43PM)
[quote]
On 2003-12-01 12:48, Pete Biro wrote:
http://www.stevensmagic.com has a killer indian hindu rope and a routine I use kills... not very expensive either.
[/quote]
Pete,
Do you know what it's called? Or if they still have it? I've searched their site and can't find anything close.

Thanks,
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jan 22, 2004 05:14PM)
Mageof,

I think Pete is referring to rigid rope.

http://www.stevensmagic.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=1519

Bill :fyi:

Cheaptrick,

I just looked up the Mark Wilson version, this is a trick that U.F. Grant put out years ago. I was called the Miniature Rope of India. It is only about 2 ft. long, it fit folded in an envelope. It was sold for $2.00. Then later they came out with the Improved Rope of India. This used a solid gimmick. To wind the rope you have to ditch the gimmick.

I think that your problem is you are trying to make it to long. It is not meant to be in an 8' rope.

If you want something this large, Abbott's sells the Hindu Rope trick with a very long rope. It rises and lowers, then you wind it up to show it limp. It does not travel. It depends what effect you want to do.

Bill :fyi:
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Jan 22, 2004 11:37PM)
Yep. Rigid Rope. What a beautifully made one too. :kiss:

Kovari Magic in London sells a beauty about eight feet long. Search his web site. :clownonball:
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jan 25, 2004 06:16PM)
Pete,

The Kovari site is down. It will not come up.

Bill
Message: Posted by: cheaptrick (Feb 8, 2004 02:46PM)
Kovari, apparently is alive and well. I got it [url=http://www.waterfallstudios.co.uk/kovarimagic/index.htm]here[/url]. They have a shorter version (Pyjama Cord) for $42 U.S.

This looks like a great site with lots of interesting stuff.

:magicrabbit:
Message: Posted by: maniac (Jun 6, 2004 01:50AM)
I gave up on this one, after trying three different types of rope, it poked through one type and wouldn't slide consistently in the other two.

Just bought EMPIRES RIGID ROPE on ebay for $0.01 and $4.99 shipping for a total of five bucks.

UPDATE: June 13, 2004

Got my new Rigid Rope yesterday, not quite what I expected. It looks good and I will use it.

Think that I am going to NOT give up Mark Wilson's version, because it's quite a different effect. I love the idea of the rope slowly going limp from the top down.