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Topic: Hollywood or bust?
Message: Posted by: mag1c kev1n (Jan 15, 2005 07:32AM)
Hello I am very interested in this mindreading effect. The effect is that you are able to reveal the scene in a movie that someone is thinking of. Apparently they don't tell you the movie or even write it down... this sounds pretty good but I would like to know if it's practical for day to day preforming situations...

Thanks
Kev1n
Message: Posted by: jbadman (Jan 15, 2005 08:09AM)
'Hollywood or Bust' is by Colin Miller. It's a mentalism effect which extends the use of a peek in a really nice way. It's available in the new ebook "The Cheetah's Handbook" which you can read more about in the 'Reviews' 'books, manuscript' section - but basically it's an ebook consisting of 13 effects by 10 different magicians, 50 pages in length and meticulously written and laid out. You can get it at: http://www.underground-collective.com

Any more questions, feel free to ask!

Jamie.
Message: Posted by: Tom Lauten (Jan 15, 2005 10:48AM)
This is the strongest routine I do.

In the right atmosphere and with the right film I have had people, scream, cry and stand in open mouthed amazement...brilliant work by Clolin Miller...but it must be done well!
Message: Posted by: GReaper (Jan 15, 2005 11:01AM)
Hollywood or Bust is a routine that I use ALL THE TIME. Very easy to learn, its a killer... a real killer. This version in particular doesn't use any gaffs so its impromptu, very nice... Just wish I could have thought of it first! Worth the price of the book alone. Some very strong stuff in this new book, I also love the Barcode thing what a fantastic idea... pure genious!
Message: Posted by: mag1c kev1n (Jan 15, 2005 11:46AM)
This sounds awesome. Thanks for the info! I love Heirloom so I think this is going to be a must buy!!
Message: Posted by: dr.strange (Jan 15, 2005 01:45PM)
Hi All

I was wondering does the " Hollywood or Bust" effect use the same methodology as
" Sensory Perception" which is also by the underground collective.

Both effects call for the spec to think of a movie, which is then revealed by the performer.
Sensory perception uses a small list of movies from which the spec chooses, is this the case with " Hollywood or bust"

Also if they use different methodologies, which effect, in your opinion, is better

Thanks
Message: Posted by: Tom Lauten (Jan 15, 2005 01:54PM)
They are totally different in methodology and this makes them impossible to compare.

Both use time honoured techniques to achieve a powerful mentalism effect.

It REALLY is down to the skill and presentation ability of the performer to make it sparkle.
Message: Posted by: DYL (Jan 15, 2005 02:52PM)
Are there several effects a mentalist can use from this ebook?
Message: Posted by: Daren (Jan 15, 2005 03:04PM)
I have this and am very pleased with my purchase, however can someone send me perhaps a method for the center tear glimpse that they mention in the ebook, jamie can you help me with this effect?
Message: Posted by: GReaper (Jan 15, 2005 03:54PM)
Centre tear can be found in 13 steps, also Richard Busch has some fantastic books out on peeks!
Message: Posted by: jbadman (Jan 15, 2005 04:27PM)
Daren; you don't need to do a centre tear for Hollywood or Bust - any peek will do. I highly recommend Richard Busch's books on the subject.

Jamie.
Message: Posted by: chicagoman (Jan 15, 2005 05:15PM)
The effect is described as not having to write anything down, but obviously you do for a peek. What would make this anymore outstanding than other peek revealed? Just the theme?
Message: Posted by: jbadman (Jan 16, 2005 04:16AM)
Chicagoman - it's not described like that at all. The first post in this topic is, however, accurate. Any more than that you'll have to find out by buying the manuscript ;-)

Jamie.
Message: Posted by: Aaron Lucas (Jan 16, 2005 06:00AM)
I did this trick last night for a group of people at a party and it was easily the most powerful thing I showed them. I was a bit dubious before trying it but... WOW!! This is such an intelligent and devious use of a peek. I agree that any peek, be it a centre tear or otherwise will do. I use the Perfected Centre tear.
Message: Posted by: dr.strange (Jan 16, 2005 06:14AM)
Hi all

I am interested in Hollywood or Bust, and since it uses a different methodolgy to Sensory Perception which I already own, I will probably buy it. However, I am a bit confused.

The first post states that: "The effect is that you are able to reveal the scene in a movie that someone is thinking of." Apparently they don't tell you the movie or even WRITE IT DOWN.

This statement is backed up by jbadman when he says, "The first post in this topic is, however, accurate."

Then the methodolgy is tipped, or a part of it, it turns out to be a peek. Herein lies my confusion because people are talking about the different types of peeks/ tears they are using. (Don't know if that is a wise thing on the open part of the forum)

If nothing is written down as was first stated in the description, why the need for peeks and tears.

I have most of the underground collective material and I have to say it is superb.

Thanks
Message: Posted by: Tom Lauten (Jan 16, 2005 06:27AM)
1) "Hollywood or bust" is film themed. A tiny, TINY bit of information is written down by the spectator.

2) "Sensory Perception" is also film themed and involves no writing whatsoever.
Message: Posted by: jbadman (Jan 16, 2005 09:35AM)
Sensory Projection is a completely different concept and totally unrelated to Hollywood or Bust, as Tom implies.

Sensory Projection utilises a new approach to Progressive Anagrams to achieve its results while Hollywood or Bust takes a small piece of peeked information and builds it to a miracle. The first post in this topic, as I've said before, is accurate. I can't really elaborate any further - to do so would be to really give away too much of the mechanics. Suffice to say it's a lovely idea and routine - and it's just one of thirteen effects you get in the manuscript - pretty good value for money, I think ;-)

Jamie.
Message: Posted by: Tom Jorgenson (Jan 16, 2005 11:40AM)
I bought it. I'd say you'd best have your chops down regarding sleights.

When are the required sleights (or even the level of sleights required) going to be listed as a common courtesy for these e-books? Had I known that the sleights were way beyond my level of expertise (and way beyond my level of desire to learn) I would have not bought this. For me, a waste of money. It's a wonderful fuzz-bunny for finger-flingers, I suppose, tho from my perspective, most are full of convoluted sleights that travel old territory, and several are methods that no one will do (the grocery store thing???? waste of digital space) and some are alterante methods that do not improve upon originals. (convoluted do-as-I-do with packets does not improve upon the whole deck effect.)

Hollywood or Bust, by the way, is something any psychic with any road-time behind them has already perfected on their own. Old news to mentalists, but probably hot stuff if a card-guy thinks it up.

Now, I could be wrong, probably am...but:
How does one go about selling a copy of an E=book? Forward the original file and then remove it from the harddrive? Sell a hardcopy and then remove the file from the hard drive? Or is this a question best asked in another thread?
Message: Posted by: jbadman (Jan 16, 2005 02:52PM)
Tom; sorry the book wasn't for you. The level of difficulty of most effects actually isn't that high in my opinion; there are far more 'flingy' effects out there than those in this ebook. Moves such as the mexican turnover, top-change and pass are really well within the arsenal of the average card worker and there's little in the ebook that extends greatly beyond this level of difficulty of sleight.

Regarding 'Hollywood or Bust', you say it's old news to mentalists - if this is the case why have so many mentalists responded to us saying how good the routine is and how they use it in their professional act ? (It was included in a marketed product a while back as a 'bonus' effect - we've re-written it, added some additional ideas and included it in this ebook).

Regards,

Jamie.
Message: Posted by: chichi711 (Jan 16, 2005 03:09PM)
Could somebody describe the effect a little more? Is it as simple as a spec thinking of a scene from a movie and you telling them? Does the e-book add some "hollywood" to the revelation?
Message: Posted by: jbadman (Jan 16, 2005 03:20PM)
Hi,

The effect is adequately described already, I think, on the product page - but it's not as simple as a spec thinking of a scene from a movie and you telling them - if it were that straightforward it would actually be real mindreading ;-)

Of course there's more to it than that - you can probably figure that much out from this topic alone - there's a peek involved at some stage. The routine is very strong and always successful - but sometimes more successful than other times.

I honestly think that if this thread provided too much more information, however, it'd be skirting on revealing a little too much. Sorry about any existing lack of clarity remaining but it's necessary to keep this as an effect exclusive to the ebook rather than simply making it public domain ;-)

Regards,

Jamie.
Message: Posted by: DYL (Jan 16, 2005 03:27PM)
I think more than enough has been mentioned already.
Any more said and the whole effect will be given away.

Go buy it, as many people have mentioned, its a killer effect.
Message: Posted by: Tom Lauten (Jan 16, 2005 04:47PM)
Jamie is right regarding divulgence.

"Hollywood or Bust" IS simple...as are many good effects. Mentalism is full of straight forward and uncluttered effects...we all know this. It is a clever application of a standard mentalism technique spun with a popular theme and offers an oppertunity to utilise a universal experience (film) as a mentalism subject. I got the effect with another product (well...two actually!) and have never looked back. I (like soooo many others do with most effects) add my own personal approach to it and my own mental misdirections. You could do worse than have this in an E-book for such a reasonable price.
Message: Posted by: frazz (Jan 16, 2005 05:16PM)
[quote]
On 2005-01-16 12:40, Tom Jorgenson wrote:
(the grocery store thing???? waste of digital space)
[/quote]
I read through this tonight and thought that the grocery store idea would be perfect for a "one off" performance - on a promotional video, a TV show or something. The method described is totally practical - and very easy - but it just requires the right circumstances. This is the kind of thing you can have in the back of your mind and save for the right occasion.
Message: Posted by: Aaron Lucas (Jan 19, 2005 05:04AM)
If I have the Cheetah's Handbook is it also worth getting Colin Miller's Sensory Perception? I would like to read more of his work.
Message: Posted by: xersekis (Jan 19, 2005 09:45AM)
Very - very close /similar to a cassidy routine...
Message: Posted by: Tom Jorgenson (Jan 19, 2005 10:20AM)
AAron:

Yes, the two are different. Mr Badman kindly contacted me regarding my 'PMS'y posts on the book. Since I am not a cardman, I was put off by the (moderate) sleights involved. I think moderate abilities would make the book fly,and according to others, the book is a winner. Hollywood or bust principle is very strong and my assumptions were that everyone knew of it. It may well be the first time an extrapolation has actually been put in print. Mentalists will like it, no doubt, and tho Cheeta offers a set 'effect', the principle is usually used on the fly, ad lib, during readings...and thus can be used several times for the same person in the same reading without them realizing it. The use of the principle itself is jaw-dropping and I assumed it was more well known among mentalists. Way back when, during the heyday of McCormack Place Psychic Fairs everyone I knew knew it and used it.

Regarding the Grocery Store thing being a waste of digital space: That was a wise-as*ed comment undeserved by the effect or by the inventer. I retract it and apologize...

I REALLY have to wait a day before posting negs on anything...I hate eating my words, especially in areas that are not mine to opinionate upon.
Message: Posted by: Tom Lauten (Jan 19, 2005 10:45AM)
[quote]
On 2005-01-19 11:20, Tom Jorgenson wrote:

Regarding the Grocery Store thing being a waste of digital space: That was a wise-as*ed comment undeserved by the effect or by the inventer. I retract it and apologize...

I REALLY have to wait a day before posting negs on anything...I hate eating my words, especially in areas that are not mine to opinionate upon.
[/quote]

What a gentleman!

THAT'S how you do it! Well done sir. Nice to see that sombody still has humility and integrity out there. A lesser person would have said nothing...respect due!
Message: Posted by: sludge (Jan 19, 2005 05:04PM)
Experienced mentalists will likely find no new method in Hollywood or Bust (I know for a fact that the method has been in use for years), but the specific routine is written up quite nicely. The premise/method however is very useful, devious and adaptable. I haven't had time to read the rest of the book yet.
Message: Posted by: Socrates (Feb 8, 2005 12:25PM)
Do they write the name of one of the main actors from the film?
Message: Posted by: markiquark (Nov 25, 2005 11:00AM)
WELL, so far I was not able to find the cheetah's handbook on the website of underground. there seem to be only 7 products total? thanks, mark
Message: Posted by: cardiac (Nov 25, 2005 11:19AM)
Mark

http://www.underground-collective.com/news_detail.php?newsid=11
Message: Posted by: ElliottB (Nov 25, 2005 11:34AM)
If you click on the link, you get "No Product Found".

I wouldn't mind if they sold "Hollywood or Bust" as a seperate e-book at a slightly reduced price. I heard (although I may have heard wrong) that the rest of the stuff in the handbook is pretty much unrelated to mentalism.
Message: Posted by: cardiac (Nov 25, 2005 12:26PM)
Have you tried emailing them ?
Message: Posted by: ElliottB (Nov 25, 2005 02:24PM)
You mean they’d sell it separately???

You bet I’ll email them…

I’ll contact them on Sunday.

Thanks,

Elliott
Message: Posted by: MentaThought (Nov 25, 2005 07:28PM)
[quote]
On 2005-01-15 11:48, Tom Lauten wrote:
This is the strongest routine I do.

In the right atmosphere and with the right film I have had people, scream, cry and stand in open mouthed amazement...brilliant work by Clolin Miller...but it must be done well!
[/quote]

I can readily understand why this effect would evoke such powerful responses in those you perform it for. After all, dealing with something such as a movies -- and don't most of us have very strongly held, "personal" feelings about movies, especially those that are our favorites? -- can really "touch people where they live" in a way that naming a playing card they arbitrarily chose a moment ago could never do.
In my opinion mentalism would receive a boost if more performers used elements such as movies and other things that, while "intangible," nonetheless can move an effect from the "what a clever trick that was!" category to another plane in which the participant and audience get a chill up their collective spines from the effect.
Message: Posted by: markiquark (Nov 26, 2005 01:29PM)
I write PMs to Miller and Badman, no replies from them in a few days now. I think the handbook was a limited edition and is not for sale anymore.
Message: Posted by: cardiac (Nov 26, 2005 04:10PM)
Hollywood or bust is described in the companion DVD that ships with the new Assassin wallet. Hey it's £99 for the effect and you get a free wallet thrown in :)

As described on the DVD, it's a very strong effect - it has that extra something which lifts it above similar effects IMHO.
Message: Posted by: Mark Powell (Nov 26, 2005 05:03PM)
The routine was also reproduced (with Anthony Miller's permission) in the instruction booklet that came with Peter Nardi's Mind Spy wallet. Peter performed this on me years ago at the Blackpool magic convention so I can testify to it's effect.

I look forward to being able to do this with my Assassin wallet (when it arrives), but in some ways using the Mind Spy may be better suited, as you can actually "draw" the answer i.e. something iconic from the scene the spectator is thinking of.
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (May 3, 2006 04:04AM)
Hollywood or Bust with the Stealth Assassin also fooled me BIG time.

The SA is top notch and the included dvd's are as well, I did not expect for such great routines to be included. There were 2 which fooled me even though I was holding the wallet and knew how it works.

-J
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (May 25, 2006 04:42PM)
I'll also just mention that I thought "Sensory Perception" sucked big time.
Very misleading and weak, for me that is.
-J
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (May 19, 2013 03:41PM)
I am looking to buy a copy of this big it is no longer on the site.
Can anyone help?
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (May 20, 2013 07:51AM)
It is on their welcome to the firm DVD which is available from that site.

Mark