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Topic: Prediction Effect with Matches
Message: Posted by: Matt Morell (Jan 17, 2005 05:44PM)
Hey Folks,

Does anybody know if such an effect/method is already in print somewhere?

Basic effect: An old used matchbook -(standard small size) is shown closed and is stated that a new one contains 20 matches but this one has been used already a number of times and contains somewhat less than 20.The spectator is asked for a number less than than 20 and it just happens to be the same amount that's in the matchbook when opened.

I'm kind of hoping to find a version that doesn't resort to forcing a number or much verbal eqivoque but something more on the lines of a gimmicked matchbook, mechanical method, etc.If not, then could someone point me in the right direction for forcing a required number of matches from the book and making it look as best as possible.

I'm sure you could have 19 matchbooks on you for the outs , retrieve the correct one and switch it out!!! haha but obviously that's a tad bit rediculous.

Could a gimmicked matchbook version be feasible or is this asking for an act of God miracle?

Any advice or information/thoughts would be greatly appreciated!
Thank you.
Message: Posted by: tmoca (Jan 17, 2005 06:07PM)
Nice concept. I haven't seen anything like this before. You have indeed got my mental juices flowing....hhmmmm

A quick brainstorm....

I know you are thinking along the lines of a gimmick, but my first experiment would be to find out how often a particular number would be named, when asked to name a number between 1 and 20. That would be a good starting point. If there is a number which is more likely to be named, start with a book with that many. This way you could have a direct hit.

Other options may be a "A matchbook index"

Or what if after the number was named, you open the book, (toward yourself) count, rip them out....this would allow for a switch or adding or subtracting matches.

Don't most books have 2 layers of matches. One could not be attached via the staple again allowing for its removal.

These where just my first thoughts. Hoped I helped you to get your juices flowing as you have mine.

Message: Posted by: Ken Dyne (Jan 18, 2005 06:08AM)
Could you not do something on the lines of Jackpot Coins/The TRick That Fooled Einstein?

Just a thought,

Message: Posted by: Joshua Quinn (Jan 18, 2005 12:39PM)
Also you could make it ambiguous whether the number they name is the number missing or the number left.
Message: Posted by: Greg Owen (Jan 18, 2005 01:03PM)
"I'm sure you could have 19 matchbooks on you for the outs , retrieve the correct one and switch it out!!! haha but obviously that's a tad bit rediculous."

Maybe not so rediculous if you have a subtle way of limiting the choice.

One way to limit the range is to have a spectator hold out fingers on each hand. You count the fingers and then you can ask, or not, to have them hold out additional hands. A hand can count for at most 5 (including the thumb) so you would need no more than 5 outs.

Just realized this is the Penny area and not the Inner Thoughts area so moderators may move this post/thread.

- Greg Owen
Message: Posted by: Matt Morell (Jan 18, 2005 10:41PM)
Hey Guys, Thanks so much for your ideas so far!
Greatly appreciated!

I'll experiment with what was posted so far and look up " The Trick that fooled Einstein" Forgot about that. I have the book.

Message: Posted by: fib (Jan 18, 2005 11:07PM)
Jay Sankey has a mentalist effect with a book of matches. Spectator pulls one match out without looking and it's the only one the performer had earlier blackened with a marker.
You can do Dave DeForest [sp?]'s "Ripped and Repaired" with a matchbook. It's a torn and restored card effect easily adapted to the thin cardboard matchbook.
Message: Posted by: D.Paul (Jan 19, 2005 06:57AM)
You could hand them the box of matches and ask them to remove as many matches as they want. Once they have counted them out, Pw the number then fold the paper up finger palm it reach into your jacket pocket and load the paper into a open match box. Remove the match box and tell them you have the same amount of matches in this match box (have a full box of match on your wrist with an elastic band) shake it so it sounds like you have matches in it then hand them the match box when they open it the matches have vanised and there is a piece of paper with the prediction on it.

Just a thought
Message: Posted by: Nicholas (Jan 19, 2005 11:00AM)
D. Paul,
Oh, how I like that!
Message: Posted by: ralphgironda (Jan 19, 2005 02:43PM)
Derren brown has mentioned this in his pure effect book....check it out :)
Message: Posted by: Matt Morell (Jan 19, 2005 02:53PM)
Jeese, D. Paul ! That's sweet!!

Is there an actual routine in Derren's book or does he just kind of " touch " on the subject.

Message: Posted by: ralphgironda (Jan 19, 2005 03:27PM)
Briefly talks about the routine, but you should probably check it out