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ehands Special user Mississippi 524 Posts |
As a beginner, I skipped over some discussions and advertisements for ‘palming coins.’ They were unappealing, seemed unnatural, and counter to attractive magic with every-day objects. I woke up today, however, thinking palming coins might suit me. Half dollars seem a bit small for my hands when Back Palming and maybe even Classic P'g. Silver dollars are heavy and as non-everyday as palming coins.
Are reasonably priced palming coins available that would be easier to palm (maybe rougher milling?), flesh-colored milling, thin for more easily hidden edges when pinching and better Stack Palming, and bright for retinal retention? Are there other advantages a beginner should look for? Comments on everyday vs obviously special?
"Oh look, we have created enchantment." Blanche DuBois
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Dan Watkins Inner circle PA 3028 Posts |
Palming coins are usually used for multiple coin productions. They are wafer thin and milled. They are easy to palm because they are so thin. I would not use them for much beyond manipulation and productions.
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the74rock Loyal user 261 Posts |
Yea dan is right just keep practicing with the half dollars.
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ehands Special user Mississippi 524 Posts |
Apparently, I was hoping for too much. Thanks for the warning (and savings).
Would they, never the less, be useful as temporary learning aids with the objective of moving to half or whole dollars in performances? Most kids use training wheels at first and then discard them, but in this case maybe I'd just be learning to wrong postions?
"Oh look, we have created enchantment." Blanche DuBois
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Brian Proctor Inner circle Somewhere 2323 Posts |
Palming coins are great. Jim Pace uses them all the time for his magic. The kind that Jim and I prefer are Norm Nielsen palming coins. They are the thinest out there. I can palm up to around 6 to 8 of them per hand at a time. So it makes for great productions, misers dream effects, matrix, Jim's own 13 coin routine... I mainly use half dollars, but you can't go wrong with Nielsen's.
They are a little steep in price, but if you think that's what you want, check 'em out. |
Dan Watkins Inner circle PA 3028 Posts |
I would not consider them learning aids. They are specific purpose coins. For most traditional close up coin routines, they don't apply. Just use regular coins.
They are very thin and useful for holding large quantities. |
Jim Pace V.I.P. Portland Oregon 556 Posts |
We could have a long discussion here. Larger coins are better coins. They have more surface so there is more to see. If you are performing close up, they can be seen by more people, so... with much respect Dan, they can apply. I perform every one of my routines with Nielson Manipulation coins.
Now if one were to use regular coins the world opens up to many gaffs, not so with Nielson coins. Miser's dream, three fly, matrix, chink'o'chink, coins across, exspansion of texture and a few other classics are what you get...including others if you think about them. Jim
"The drum that beats the loudest is always the most hollow."
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Paul h. Special user MINDoverMETHOD 528 Posts |
Just use the half dollars and get use to them...I walk around with coins in palm all day sometimes.
Jim, are you saying Nielson coins are less likely to be thought of as involving gaffs? If that is the case, I don't understand your point. What would make a spectator less likely to think you are only using gaffs if you are using uncirculated, specialty coins they have probably never seen? Maybe I am missing the point. Best, Paul h. |
Jim Pace V.I.P. Portland Oregon 556 Posts |
Paul,
Maybe It was I who was not clear. I said that if one were to use regular coins then a whole world opens up, like using gaffed coins. I am saying that there are terrific reasons to use regular coins, ie: gaffs. You will not get those with Neilson coins. That said Paul, if you were to practice with Neilson coins palmed all day then when you go back to halves your classic palm will look much better. Coins are unique in that even though someone may not recognise them as normal or U.S. coins they still know that they are coins. Since I have stopped using halves or silver dollars I have never been interupted doing Misers dream by some one saying." WHoogh! Look at those coins. 1927 wow I have never seen one of these before, look at these honey!" " Man, are those real? 1964 kennedy halfs. Do they even make those anymore?" I guess my small point here is that I get to be the star, not my beautiful coin set from the turn of the century. " A rose by any other name..." Jim
"The drum that beats the loudest is always the most hollow."
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Juniper587 Regular user 118 Posts |
It really depends what sort of situation that your performing in. If its really close up then I would say use real money e.g half dollars. Otherwise use norm nielsen palming coins these are great if performing for people about 10-15 feet away or on stage. Remember the audience doesn't really think that they are special coins if you perfrom it correctly. don't run when youre not being chased.
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LarryTaylor New user Miamisburg Ohio 72 Posts |
Like Brian said, good for misers dream and if your using a "dumper" ( old school)one can put a bunch as a load.
Magical Entertainer,teacher and creative consultant.
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