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Sirakor Regular user 179 Posts |
Suppose you want to perform several routines (just more than one)? One of the routines requires 4, and only 4 coins that are known to the spectator. The other routine needs 3, plus an extra 4th that the spec' doesn't know about (eg Gadabout Coins and Hanging Coins). How do you go about routining that, while minimizing the chances that someone will think, 'hey, he's got 4 coins, so maybe he used 4 in the trick when I only saw 3? Does this pose a problem? Which order do you think is better?
The only sure way out I came up with was to have 5 coins and to do the 4 coin effect first, setting #4 aside (in specs view) after the effect, and secretly obtaining another one that is used in the 3+1 routine. |
sanju Regular user 135 Posts |
Wow great question. It's better in my opinion to "eliminate" props rather than progressively "add". ex: A four coin trick with an extra hidden coin, seguence into a "three" coin trick where you openly discard one seen coin and truly now have four, then eliminate another coin and do a "two" coin trick with three, then a "one" coin routine with two. As long as you don't go to the pocket where the other coins are, (better yet keep them on the table openly) you should have a good routine.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Only one extra coin?
And also... the same coins? How about some different coins?
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Rob Elliott Elite user Reston VA 487 Posts |
I would suggest that you not routine these effects together. Try to find effects that go together better to avoid these kinds of issues. Would it be possible to reduce the first routine to a three-coin effect?
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mike gallo Inner circle 1341 Posts |
Suppose you want to perform several routines (just more than one)? One of the routines requires 4, and only 4 coins that are known to the spectator. The other routine needs 3, plus an extra 4th that the spec' doesn't know about (eg Gadabout Coins and Hanging Coins). How do you go about routining that?
You don't...it simply makes bad routining. If not for obvious reasons, there are other reasons, such as confusing the laymen (especially those who are drinking) as to how many coins there are. One minute they see 4...then 3...or wait, he used 3...now 4...or no...it was 17...yeah that's it, 22 coins, 1 flipper...2 shells, 6 copper/silvers and a Chinese coin, 1 wooden nickle...well, you get my point, I hope. Mike |
GeorgeSantos Inner circle San Diego, CA 1106 Posts |
If you use 4 coins at first and then proceed to a 3 coin effect where 1 extra is needed, Show only 3 coins, toss it to the other hand to show it is only 3 while concealing another using the Inertia Pass.
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Magius Regular user 136 Posts |
It.. is possible to do a hanging coins with 3 coins, although that would be a differnt routine altogether.
Neophyte.
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Rob Elliott Elite user Reston VA 487 Posts |
Magius,
I was suggesting that he make the FIRST routine a three-coin routine so that the fourth coin that's held out in Gadabout Coins or Hanging Coins (the two second routines he mentioned) doesn't come into play in the first routine. I hope that makes sense. |
bigchuck Veteran user Nothing clever has ever been said in my 400 Posts |
In your case scenario of routining hanging coins and gadabout coins -- why not begin by using only three coins for hanging coins ? while everyone reacts to the reappearance of the 2 coins, get the extra and proceed with said routine.
Or what I might do is exacly what Rob suggests; produce the '3' coins while holding the last one out in edge grip - that allows you to be one coin ahead in the routine. I mean, this way you are already hiding what you were going to hide anyway right ? And when you do the reappearance you just do a utility switch to show 3 (at that point they won't even consider that you might have extras as the heat is off) and you have shown your hands 'empty' a lot. As for changing Hanging Coins from 4 coins to 3 - I don't know if that makes it an entirely different routine altogether; you are just consolidating the routine and basically beginning it 'already in progress.'
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Ollie1235 Special user England 533 Posts |
If the coins your using are regular coins from you currency, then give them the extra coin as a souveneer whilst secretly obtaining another.
after all why would you give them the coin if you were going to secretly use it later? ollie |
Dan LeFay Inner circle Holland 1371 Posts |
I agree completely with Mike Gallo: bad routining. Don't do it. Do not underestimate the intelligence of your audience.
It might be refreshing for your own performance to decide if you go for a 4-coin or a 3-coin set. Besides that, how many cointricks do you want to "routine" together?
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Magius Regular user 136 Posts |
I think it is more foolish to start with gadabout coins then go into hanging coins. The way you take another coin out may tip the secret especially right after the effect. I'd rather do hanging coins, then give the coin to one of the spectator to hold or something.
Personally though, I'd just skip the whole thing altogether.
Neophyte.
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jolyonjenkins Inner circle United Kingdom 1181 Posts |
I would have thought it worth making sure you stick to the same number of "visible" coins, even if the total actual number varies. And doing one without an extra coin first, so the spectators mentally eliminate the possibility of hidden coins (i.e. let them handle all the coins etc). Then move onto one with an extra coin/gaff etc.
Jolyon Jenkins
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