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On 2005-02-25 10:42, Tabasco wrote:
I don't think that you actually need to catch a cheater, acussing is enough, espacially if it is your money that is involved. If you think a cheat is involved, stop playing. My wife used to work at casino's and the pit bosses were trained to remove possible cheaters from a table. As soon as they thought (only thought) that you were cheating you could go. And I think that is the whole idea behind catching cheaters.

BTW did you look at 'The Cheat" by turner ;-)


Casinos are the biggest cheaters out their, the only difference is, they are legalized.
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Not only that but if you are not involved in a hand and you see even an honest mistake made, you would be wise not to say anything. I have seen guys get into serious trouble for opening their mouths at the wrong time and they were merely trying to be helpful. For example. X has a straight flush but has misread his hand and thinks he only has a flush and Y has a full house, Y shows his hand and X thinking he has lost goes to throw in his hand, when Z says “You win Y. You have a straight flush!” X would be lucky to get away with a warning from Y to mind his own business. He might get a thank you from X but that's about all.
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On 2005-02-25 01:35, whithaydn wrote:
For the life of me, I can't figure out why so many people want to learn gambling moves that take many years of hard practice without any plan to use them in cheating. It is sort of like going through the years of training to learn brain surgery just for the fun of it.

Because I enjoy it and I use card shark moves and the card shark demo to make money. People enjoy watching what they think is the real deal at the card table. Jack Pyle who was known only in magic as the Punch Deal pro never sold himself to the lay audience as a magician card shark.

He sold himself as a magician that did a stand up act of magic. Then he also sold his close up card magic as an extra attraction to book himself. After seeing this extra audiences would walk away saying - "I wouldn't gamble with him"! And that was what he wanted.

He was booked often just because he could do that even when it wasn't in his promo.

I do the same thing booking close up magic as an extra with my hypnosis show. And a card cheat expo demo is part of the performance along with the shell game. Even if it is not expected or advertised.

But I have been booked back to may events just because they enjoyed it so much!
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On 2005-02-25 01:35, whithaydn wrote:
If you find something enthralling about six to eight hours a day of hard practice at something you will never have any actual use for, you have a passion that is rare, and I suppose commendable--but I myself don't get it. I work very, very hard at magic, but it is my means of income as well as my passion.

I can't speak for everyone but I have a use and I am glad I am able to take any deck and cut the aces from it. Even when the deck is shuffled. And I have a use of taking a shuffled deck and being able to cull and run up four aces or another hand for the center deal. Or a bottom deal. Or just run them up in a five handed game of poker for a demonstration.

And I use the one handed second deal and bottom instead of a top change.

Being able to do these things takes practice and practice in any art is respected by most audiences. If it was easy everyone would be doing it. But I have a use to be able to do things like this and more.

And the card shark moves makes my magic better - more direct - and that can make it more entertaining!

I work very hard at magic too, as an income and as my passion.

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On 2005-02-25 01:35, whithaydn wrote:
There are not many jobs available for professional gambling consultancy, and the field is already full of truly experienced and talented people who have spent a lifetime of study, practice, and association with professional card cheats.

I would suggest entertainment in magic in the way that Jack Pyle did. Because in magic and entertainment there is room for everyone. And if you can sell your act and promote there is a very good chance of success!
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On 2005-02-25 01:35, whithaydn wrote:
Gambling demonstrations for entertainment are fine, but the market is small and difficult to break into. Besides, the most entertaining demonstrations are completely faked, and can be performed by most competent card magicians. The real work is not very interesting for performance.

Jack Pyle once invested a lot of money in an act of real card cheating with card cheating props that was sort of a lecture - and as an entertainment the act was a flop. He then changed it and went back into magic as real entertainment.

So he did strong card effects. And poker and bridge deals and then the act was a hit. Why? Because it was entertaining to lay audiences and had a show of real skill that audiences did not get to see every day!

And that is what I learned from him and the reason I do this slant on magic as well.
Glenn Bishop Cardician

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Well doc, I'll take your advice into consideration but you have to understand that in my circles we don't carry guns and kill each other. Perhaps I'll be a cheat myself in the future and play for some serious money, that's not the case as it is now. I play with kind youngsters from the neighbourhood mostly. And on this island everyone knows everyone basically, there's no gangs and so far we have only played with people which someone of us playing knows.

don't get me wrong, I'm _very_ new within the cheatingcircle so I'm only grateful for your advice and will definately think about it.

By the way, watchted some of your videos, nice deals Smile
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Cards speak. Always. If they don't in your game, you should find another game.

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On 2005-02-25 15:23, tommy wrote:
For example. X has a straight flush but has misread his hand and thinks he only has a flush and Y has a full house, Y shows his hand and X thinking he has lost goes to throw in his hand, when Z says “You win Y. You have a straight flush!” X would be lucky to get away with a warning from Y to mind his own business. He might get a thank you from X but that's about all.

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Magic Kim and others interested in cheating. I would read very carefully what Doc is telling you. He knows. Cheating or catching someone cheating is very dangerous. Best advice is don't
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Well he has learn it and so can I.. and btw I do listen..
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Hey guys I'm not trying to act like I've got all the sense but most of ya'll have become my friend in one way or another and I really don't want to see anything happen to any of you, this is why I speak up like this sometimes.

I know many believe that experience is your best teacher but that's not true. Listening is your best teacher, experience is your second best teacher.

Have you ever heard after you did something wrong, "I told you so." Well that means that you didn't listen and had to learn from it actually happening to you for you to understand.

Respectfully

Doc

P.S. MagicKim thanks for your compliment
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Magic Kim: I don't play cards with people like that.

You can never know.
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James

"Cards speak. Always. If they don't in your game, you should find another game."

Cards do not speak if you think you have lost and throw in your hand. As soon your hand hits the discards your hand is dead even if it was a winner. Many guys make a misread and throw in hands thinking they have lost.
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Well daffy, this is not the states, we don't carry guns and knives here, except the addicted to drugs. And if they would be addicted, I'd beat the crap out of them because I hate drugs. So far I've played with people I know and people I know aren't dangerous. And IF they'd actually be dangerous, then bring them on. Can't say that my life is that important to me after all. The cards are all I have at the moment.
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